Sasha, Thank you for your reply. This is so exciting. Can't wait for you to return from vacation as I would love to exchange information. Eliza is buried here in Dutchess Co. with her husband John R. and her brother William 1797-1885 and sister in law Ada MacFarlane Serrine. The spelling on Eliza's death certificate and on the tombstone is Serrine but I've seen it many other ways. Almost as many as the Van's. Is your Charles the one I have listed on the IGI who married Mariah Vanderwater in 1882? We have a mutual cousin in Mason City, Iowa who is the GGranddaughter of Morgianna Vannosdol, twin daughter of John R. Morgianna married lst.Sherman Smith and had a son Walter Smith who is our cousin's grandfather. Will give you her name and address on you private e-mail when you return from your vacation. I am planning to get a picture program and a scanner and hope to be able to send photos. Have one that I believe to be John and Eliza in the 1860's and one of Eliza, taken in Illinois in the late 1880's when she went there to visit one of her daughters. I have the birth and death dates from the death certificate. I live in Dutchess Co. so I have access to a lot of info. or at least what info is still intact. According to his will John R.'s daughter Ruth b.1845 who married George E. Purdy in 1864 was living in Green River Ill. Helen who married William Brinkerhoff was living in Davenport Ia. and another sister Florentina (Morgiana's) twin sister also went west. Florentina married lst a Wiltse, and had a child Addie, then married a Morton Hoffman and went west. Have no other information. Sure hope , with your help and the VAN-list we can find some other "living" relatives who might be able to answer our questions. My biggest puzzle is trying to discover who John R.'s grandfather was. His father Derrick is buried in Middlebush Cemetery but there are questions as to whether his father was Tunis Van Arsdale (brother of "Flagpole John") or perhaps Dirk VanArsdale and Maritye Vermilyea who lived in Dutchess Co. in 1790. I can go on forever but will close for now. Looking foreward to sharing information. Have a great vacation. Happy holidays. Cousin, Kay VanNosdall Mackey By the way my husband's gggrandfather Thomas Mackey came here in 1839 from Kilkenney Ireland and settled in the Town of Beekman, Dut. Co. NY. He worked in an Iron mine at Sylvan Lake for a Daniel David Delaney and is buried in the St. Denis Cemetery , Town of Beekman, Dut. Co. NY. Lots of other Mackey's in the Hudson Valley. Many are in Ulster Co. and were Protestant. Thanks again.