Sasha, That was on the Sunderland family list, and although I'm not directly descended from them, my mystery unwed mother gggmother, was first married to a Sunderland. I can't find much on her and I joined that list hoping to learn more. If they are right, she was born a Knight, married a Sunderland, then a White, then had my gggf Orr out of wedlock. I know where and when she died and the names of most of her kids, but no real circumstances about her other than that. I feel lucky that I even know her name, because my gggf raised his son, not his mother. I have had some follow up notes on that first note, and Collen Loven person asked me to send forward them to her because she is the same line, too. Have you been in contact with her? I still have those follow up notes, if you want them forwarded to you. Barb