If anyone can contribute information on the VANs below, please contact me. >From the kind clerks at the Johnson Co IN Health Dept: Cornelius VANARSDALL died 6 Feb 1907 Book H-21, page 8 late residence Pleasant Twp birthdate 10-3-1823 birthplace KY occupation farmer cause of death chronic prostatic hypertrophy buried Greenlawn - Franklin married at time of death spouse's name not listed mother's name Cathrine Whitenac mother's birthplace KY father's name unable to read father's birthplace KY age 83 at death James H. VANARSDELL died 10 Jul 1906 Book H-21 page 1 late residence Union Twp birthdate 12-10-1837 birthplace Ky occupation farmer cause of death myocarditis & apoplexy buried Hopewell cemetery married at time of death spouse's name Kiziar Ann VanArsdell mother's name Ida Voris mother's birthplace unk father's name Cornelius VanArsdell father's birthplace unk age 69 at death Lillie P. VANARSDELL died 6 Feb 1890 Book H-16 page 1 late residence Franklin Twp birthdate not listed birthplace IN occupation cause of death Phnrgitis (writing is extremely difficult to read) buried not listed mother's name Elizabeth Banta mother's birthplace KY father's name Sanford Vanarsdell father's birthplace KY age 5 at death Ralph VANARSDELL died 21 Sep 1896 Book H-18 page 25 late residence Trafalgar birthdate not listed birthplace IN occupation cause of death tonsolitis buried not listed mother's name Mary Clark mother's birthplace IN father's name W.B. Vanasdell father's birthplace IN age 6-1/2 at death

Genforum now has a Vanarsdale page, for those who want to post and query. www.Genforum.com Linda

Greetings Phyllis, Your Laura L VANARSDALL caught my attention. I suggest you consider Mercer County, KY for records of her parents, Mary J. PENNY and John TERHUNE. There you will find several VanArsdall, Penny and Terhune families intermarrying. While I can't document a marriage between Mary & John, above. We do have a marriage between William Marcus Terhune and a Mary James Penny. Wlliam, a minister, was the s/o Ruliff Terhune and Mary "Polly" Vermillion. He was born in 1833, and died tragically in 1872. I believe his widow subsequently married another Terhune but I don't know his given name. Hope this will be of *some* help. Good luck and Merry Christmas, Barb Terhune VanArsdale-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Part 1.3Type: Microsoft MHTML Document 4.0 (message/rfc822) >

Hi - I'm still on here! I'm trying to get all my messages cleared so I can unsubscribe, but that isn't happening. My g-g-grandfather - yes, is Charles, who married Mariah Vanderwater. My g-grandfather was William. I know very little about the Iowa families - I was from Indiana and my mother was from Iowa, and she died long ago, so I learned very little from her side of the family. Most of what I have learned I have found out by myself - and those people in the photo album with no names have remained a mystery to me for about 35 years. I, too, am anxious to sort the family out. I have found that several of the ancestors lived in Paris and were quite influential. Do you have cemetery records for Charles and Mariah? I assume they stayed in Dutchess Co., with the children being the more adventurous. I will be sure to contact you as soon as we're back. Thanks - I'm very excited, too. I've been on the New York GenConnect and found several leads. Sasha

Sasha, Thank you for your reply. This is so exciting. Can't wait for you to return from vacation as I would love to exchange information. Eliza is buried here in Dutchess Co. with her husband John R. and her brother William 1797-1885 and sister in law Ada MacFarlane Serrine. The spelling on Eliza's death certificate and on the tombstone is Serrine but I've seen it many other ways. Almost as many as the Van's. Is your Charles the one I have listed on the IGI who married Mariah Vanderwater in 1882? We have a mutual cousin in Mason City, Iowa who is the GGranddaughter of Morgianna Vannosdol, twin daughter of John R. Morgianna married lst.Sherman Smith and had a son Walter Smith who is our cousin's grandfather. Will give you her name and address on you private e-mail when you return from your vacation. I am planning to get a picture program and a scanner and hope to be able to send photos. Have one that I believe to be John and Eliza in the 1860's and one of Eliza, taken in Illinois in the late 1880's when she went there to visit one of her daughters. I have the birth and death dates from the death certificate. I live in Dutchess Co. so I have access to a lot of info. or at least what info is still intact. According to his will John R.'s daughter Ruth b.1845 who married George E. Purdy in 1864 was living in Green River Ill. Helen who married William Brinkerhoff was living in Davenport Ia. and another sister Florentina (Morgiana's) twin sister also went west. Florentina married lst a Wiltse, and had a child Addie, then married a Morton Hoffman and went west. Have no other information. Sure hope , with your help and the VAN-list we can find some other "living" relatives who might be able to answer our questions. My biggest puzzle is trying to discover who John R.'s grandfather was. His father Derrick is buried in Middlebush Cemetery but there are questions as to whether his father was Tunis Van Arsdale (brother of "Flagpole John") or perhaps Dirk VanArsdale and Maritye Vermilyea who lived in Dutchess Co. in 1790. I can go on forever but will close for now. Looking foreward to sharing information. Have a great vacation. Happy holidays. Cousin, Kay VanNosdall Mackey By the way my husband's gggrandfather Thomas Mackey came here in 1839 from Kilkenney Ireland and settled in the Town of Beekman, Dut. Co. NY. He worked in an Iron mine at Sylvan Lake for a Daniel David Delaney and is buried in the St. Denis Cemetery , Town of Beekman, Dut. Co. NY. Lots of other Mackey's in the Hudson Valley. Many are in Ulster Co. and were Protestant. Thanks again.

Hi, cousin Kay - your Eliza and my Charles were brother and sister. Charles was my great-great grandfather. I have a birth date and death date for Eliza Jane, if you do not have them. We here in the midwest document our connection to the Serine/Sirrine family of Dutchess County, NY, in an unpublished manuscript written in the 1940s which is now in the possession of a lady in Michigan, although I have a copy of it, as do many of the Serine descendants here in the Midwest. Even though we had facts, a researcher in New York who had written a book (the same one?) refused to believe that we were of any relation, since the person "didn't have anything on us." But we are here, and we are of that family. I would love to exchange data with you, Kay. I am also in touch with a VanNosdall who is trying to connect his VanNosdalls in Michigan (and Illinois) with the Sirrines. My family spelled the name Serine - they went to Iowa from Dutchess County NY, also, and stayed there. I am also a VanAusdal/VanOsdel/VanArsdall descendant, as is my husband, and I am a Mackey descendant. I am unfortunately leaving for vacation, but please keep me on your list and when I get back, I would dearly love to compare notes. My mother lived with her grandmother Serine when she was growing up in Iowa. I have many Serine/Sirrine pictures that I inherited, but many of the people in the pictures are not named. My g-g-aunt Annie Laurie spoke only French, and lived near my grandmother. The kids all thought she was crazy because she didn't speak English. Sasha Stanley

Hello VANS, If anyone can place the four individuals below, please post me. Thanks. >From the kind clerks of the Johnson Co, IN, Health Dept: Corniluis VANARSDALL born 26 Jan 1831; unk location died 31 May 1912; Book H-22, pg 49 late residence Union Twp, Johnson Co, IN occupation farmer cause of death arterialsclerosis buried First Mt Pleasant widowed spouse's name Ann VANARSDALL (anyone know her birth name?) mother's name Anna VANARSDALL (anyone know her birth name?); born KY father's name Peter VANARSDALL; born KY other age 81 at death Alex VANARSDALL born unk date; KY died 8 Nov 1887; Book H-14, pg 128 late residence Poor Asylum, Johnson Co, IN occupation unk cause of death consumption buried not listed single mother's name not listed father's name not listed age at death 44 Burton VANARSDALL born 2 Mar 1913; place not listed died 2 Mar 1913; Book H-22, pg 56 late residence Trafalgar, Johnson Co, IN occupation carpenter cause of death Bright's Disease buried First Mt. Pleasant married at time of death spouse's name Mary VANARSDALL (anyone know her birth name?) mother's name Ellen CLARK; born IN father's name Isaac VANARSDALL; unk birthplace age 52 Laura L VANARSDALL born 5 Aug 1864; KY died 21 Oct 1907; book H-12, pg 82; H-25, 62; H-21, pg 20 late residence Edinburg, Johnson Co, IN occupation: housewife cause of death typhoid fever & intestional hemorrhage buried Greenwood, Johnson Co, IN married spouse's name not listed mother's name Mary J PENNY; born KY father's name John TERHUNE; born KY age 43 Phyllis Miller Fleming Shelbyville, IN

Can anyone connect up my gggggrandfather Benjamin Vanosdaugh/Vannosdoll/Van Osdoll to their branch? I found Benjamin first in the 1810 census of what is now Braintrim Township of Wyoming County (then Luzerne) as being 26-45 years old with a wife 16-25 and one male child and one female child, both under 10. By 1830 he is listed as 40-50 and his wife (I have not found her name) also 40-50. At that time they have 2 males under 5 and one 5-10 as well as one female 5-10 and one 15-20. My ggggrandfather Philip is living in the next residence 20-30 years old with a wife 15-20 (her name was Melissa Churchwell) and two sons under 5. One of those sons was my gggrandfather William who moved his family, including my great grandfather Frank, to Webster County, Iowa, in 1868 after serving in the Civil War. If anyone can connect up this branch to Simon, I would be very appreciative. Connie Walther ******************************************** Constance Walther Media Director\Serials Librarian Mount Mercy College 1330 Elmhurst Dr. NE Cedar Rapids, IA 52402 connie@mmc.mtmercy.edu (319)363-8213 x1261 (319)363-9060 FAX

Definitely - I know we'll still be looking! Merry Christmas to you - we're going to be gone for awhile, so I'm going to unsubscribe until we're back - hope I don't miss anything! Sasha

Actually I think I took a break because I have also run out of room to store my stuff. I am trying to figure out what to do with it. What I need to do is get down to Philadelphia to do some research. I just need to get my ducks in a row, and they keep getting out of line. * * * * * Linda Wright lwright@sctcorp.com www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/2428 VANARTSDALEN, BARTHOLF, KNOOS, KNABB, FRAME, SERRAO... "Barbara Johnson" <barbJ@prodigy.net> on 12/03/99 04:03:44 PM Please respond to VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall I haven't found any cousins that close, but my daughter's best HS friend's family insisted we were related. We were, only if you consider the brother-in-law of a sister-in-law as being related. (g) Never did convince that man, who was a very good researcher, that blood didn't enter into our relationship in any way. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wright <lwright@sctcorp.com> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall > > > I think the Dutch were just very nomadic. I know I have 2 > branches of my family that are dutch and they are all over the > place. Even today. My family is everywhere. I can take trips > from Pennsylvania to Florida and stay at relatives houses along > the way. Does not make it easy tracking them. Funny thing about > it, I tracked another dutch branch, (Bertholf/Bartholf) and found > I had been living next to a cousin (10 generations back) for over > 10 years. > > > > Linda Wright > > > > > Rjw4038@aol.com on 12/03/99 12:49:42 PM > > Please respond to VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com > > To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall > > > Linda, I will go with the Alien bit, mine must be too. Nora Ann > Vanarsdale b > 20-19-1855 Bedford, KY, Parents Priest(ly) Vanarsdale/Vanosodall > b 1818 and > Nancy ? b 1835. Maybe we should contact E.T. lol. > Rhonda Withers > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB > (links to most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) > <http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> > > > > > > > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > This Van Arsdale genealogy mailing-list is AUTOMATICALLY SET so that your address may have > ONLY FOUR (4) BOUNCES before your address is automatically removed!!! > updated 02 May 1999 > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) <http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/>

Maybe in the next world, Sasha. (g) ----- Original Message ----- From: Karol Stanley <stanlekv@erinet.com> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall > Gosh, Barb - I'm sure we're related - Linda, too <g>. We just haven't > found out how. > Sasha > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send an e-mail message to: > <VanArsdale-l-request@rootsweb.com> > In the subject line & body include only one word: > >> unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) >

Gosh, Barb - I'm sure we're related - Linda, too <g>. We just haven't found out how. Sasha

Hello VANS, If anyone can place the four individuals below, please post me. Thanks. >From the kind clerks of the Johnson Co, IN, Health Dept: Corniluis VANARSDALL born 26 Jan 1831; unk location died 31 May 1912; Book H-22, pg 49 late residence Union Twp, Johnson Co, IN occupation farmer cause of death arterialsclerosis buried First Mt Pleasant widowed spouse's name Ann VANARSDALL (anyone know her birth name?) mother's name Anna VANARSDALL (anyone know her birth name?); born KY father's name Peter VANARSDALL; born KY other age 81 at death Alex VANARSDALL born unk date; KY died 8 Nov 1887; Book H-14, pg 128 late residence Poor Asylum, Johnson Co, IN occupation unk cause of death consumption buried not listed single mother's name not listed father's name not listed age at death 44 Burton VANARSDALL born 2 Mar 1913; place not listed died 2 Mar 1913; Book H-22, pg 56 late residence Trafalgar, Johnson Co, IN occupation carpenter cause of death Bright's Disease buried First Mt. Pleasant married at time of death spouse's name Mary VANARSDALL (anyone know her birth name?) mother's name Ellen CLARK; born IN father's name Isaac VANARSDALL; unk birthplace age 52 Laura L VANARSDALL born 5 Aug 1864; KY died 21 Oct 1907; book H-12, pg 82; H-25, 62; H-21, pg 20 late residence Edinburg, Johnson Co, IN occupation: housewife cause of death typhoid fever & intestional hemorrhage buried Greenwood, Johnson Co, IN married spouse's name not listed mother's name Mary J PENNY; born KY father's name John TERHUNE; born KY age 43

I haven't found any cousins that close, but my daughter's best HS friend's family insisted we were related. We were, only if you consider the brother-in-law of a sister-in-law as being related. (g) Never did convince that man, who was a very good researcher, that blood didn't enter into our relationship in any way. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wright <lwright@sctcorp.com> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall > > > I think the Dutch were just very nomadic. I know I have 2 > branches of my family that are dutch and they are all over the > place. Even today. My family is everywhere. I can take trips > from Pennsylvania to Florida and stay at relatives houses along > the way. Does not make it easy tracking them. Funny thing about > it, I tracked another dutch branch, (Bertholf/Bartholf) and found > I had been living next to a cousin (10 generations back) for over > 10 years. > > > > Linda Wright > > > > > Rjw4038@aol.com on 12/03/99 12:49:42 PM > > Please respond to VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com > > To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com > cc: > Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall > > > Linda, I will go with the Alien bit, mine must be too. Nora Ann > Vanarsdale b > 20-19-1855 Bedford, KY, Parents Priest(ly) Vanarsdale/Vanosodall > b 1818 and > Nancy ? b 1835. Maybe we should contact E.T. lol. > Rhonda Withers > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB > (links to most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) > <http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> > > > > > > > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > This Van Arsdale genealogy mailing-list is AUTOMATICALLY SET so that your address may have > ONLY FOUR (4) BOUNCES before your address is automatically removed!!! > updated 02 May 1999 >

I think the Dutch were just very nomadic. I know I have 2 branches of my family that are dutch and they are all over the place. Even today. My family is everywhere. I can take trips from Pennsylvania to Florida and stay at relatives houses along the way. Does not make it easy tracking them. Funny thing about it, I tracked another dutch branch, (Bertholf/Bartholf) and found I had been living next to a cousin (10 generations back) for over 10 years. Linda Wright Rjw4038@aol.com on 12/03/99 12:49:42 PM Please respond to VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall Linda, I will go with the Alien bit, mine must be too. Nora Ann Vanarsdale b 20-19-1855 Bedford, KY, Parents Priest(ly) Vanarsdale/Vanosodall b 1818 and Nancy ? b 1835. Maybe we should contact E.T. lol. Rhonda Withers ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) <http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/>

Hey Barb I am not related to anyone either. Jacob's father Christopher and his mother Rachael were aliens that landed here from another planet and took the name Van Artsdalen. Unless I can come up with another option. I had to take a break from this because I was getting to frustrated. Linda lwright @sctcorp.com "Barbara Johnson" <barbJ@prodigy.net> on 12/03/99 01:20:41 AM Please respond to VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall Sasha, Well, I'm happy to help anybody, but how come you're related to everybody and I'm related to nobody? T'aint fair!!!! (g) Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: Karol Stanley <stanlekv@erinet.com> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall > Hello, Barb, it's me. I told you I was related to everyone! My > Serine/Sirrine/Serrine/etc. family was from Dutchess Co NY and went > west, so I'm thinking this Eliza Serrine was one of them. I have > limited Serine information and I think I've talked to Kay Mackey - just > wanted to thank you for putting this online. I'll try to fit it in to > my family line. > Sasha > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== GenConnect USA Visitors Center < http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/usaindex.html> GenConnect Global Surname Search < http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi?search>

Linda, I will go with the Alien bit, mine must be too. Nora Ann Vanarsdale b 20-19-1855 Bedford, KY, Parents Priest(ly) Vanarsdale/Vanosodall b 1818 and Nancy ? b 1835. Maybe we should contact E.T. lol. Rhonda Withers

Sasha, Well, I'm happy to help anybody, but how come you're related to everybody and I'm related to nobody? T'aint fair!!!! (g) Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: Karol Stanley <stanlekv@erinet.com> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] John R. VanNosdall > Hello, Barb, it's me. I told you I was related to everyone! My > Serine/Sirrine/Serrine/etc. family was from Dutchess Co NY and went > west, so I'm thinking this Eliza Serrine was one of them. I have > limited Serine information and I think I've talked to Kay Mackey - just > wanted to thank you for putting this online. I'll try to fit it in to > my family line. > Sasha > >

Hello, Barb, it's me. I told you I was related to everyone! My Serine/Sirrine/Serrine/etc. family was from Dutchess Co NY and went west, so I'm thinking this Eliza Serrine was one of them. I have limited Serine information and I think I've talked to Kay Mackey - just wanted to thank you for putting this online. I'll try to fit it in to my family line. Sasha

Sasha, I am the GGGrandaughter of John R. and Eliza Jane Sirrine VanNosdall. In 1850 they were living in New Hamburg, Dutchess Co. NY but in 1870 were in Colona, Henry Co. Illinois with their son Samuel, his wife Caroline and an infant John. Samuel, and his wife had three other children Elizabeth, George and Lilly. All came back to NYS (except the infant John, who must have died in Illinois). John R. died in 1884 in Chelsea,Dut.Co. NY and his wife died 20Dec1890 in New Hamburg, Dut. Co. NY. Before she died (between 1884 and 1890) she returned to Illinois to visit (I believe her daughter or daughters). Records show that her daughter Morgiana married a Sherman Smith in 1856 and had children. She also had a daughter Helen who married a William Brinkerhoff and lived in Tompkins Co. NY but went to live in Davenport Iowa with a daughter and died at the daughter's home. There was also a daughter of Eliza named Ruth who married a George E. Purdy and moved to Green River Illinois. I have a photo of Eliza taken when she visited Illinois.. I have been in touch with a researcher who has written books on the Sirrine,Serrine family and thinks Eliza's father was James Serrine and mother was Elizabeth (possibly Minthorn). Hope this is of interest. Kay Mackey