Terri, Thank you for adding your information to my list. When I first posted the question I half jokingly suggested that maybe the first Symon passed it on to everyone. Well, as more branches of the family are added to the diabetes group, it seems like the "bad gene" must have originated farther back than 1800. (This is as far back as I can currently go with my Vans.) Marsha On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Brian & Terri Rene (DaVar) Howard wrote: > Whoops, I must have missed this one: > > > I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several > > weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their > > line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 > > line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of > > you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi > > and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. > > My father had diabetes (he passes away a few years ago due to complications) & I have inherited it. I am a descendant of > Martha Van Arsdale (a.k.a. many other variations on the name) and Lambert Darland. > > I do not know if there are any others with diabetes in my ancestry. > > Terri Rene > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > Please remember to cite your sources and give credit where credit is due. > JoAnn's Van Arsdale Research <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/m/Jo-A-Ramseyer/index.html> > Charles Vanorsdale's Descendants of Joosten van Haesdale: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/v/a/n/Charles-R-Vanorsdale/index.html> > Bryce Stevens Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Bryce-H-Stevens/> > Belle's "Van Page" is at <http://www.goodnet.com/~dmyers/belle-v.html> > Read about the Van Arsdale MYTH <http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdalemyth.html> > Sharon Kelley's Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2679> > The Darland genealogical database has Van Arsdale data: <http://w3.one.net/~durp/database/Darland/Darland-surname.htm> > FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. > >

Whoops, I must have missed this one: > I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several > weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their > line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 > line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of > you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi > and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. My father had diabetes (he passes away a few years ago due to complications) & I have inherited it. I am a descendant of Martha Van Arsdale (a.k.a. many other variations on the name) and Lambert Darland. I do not know if there are any others with diabetes in my ancestry. Terri Rene

----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Hayes <linhayes@interl.net> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: RE: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call > My John C. Vanarsdall b. abt 1800 d. 1874 in Lee Co., Iowa. He was the son > of Cornelius C. and Mary (Vanderipe) Vanarsdall. John m. Mary "Polly" > Westerfield May 2, 1825, Mercer Co., KY. They had the following children- > Mary Jane m. William Peevler, Mercer Co., KY > Catherine Ann m. William Colvin, Mercer Co., KY > William m. Saramanda Utley, Mercer Co., KY > Charles m. Virginia Collins, Lee Co., Iowa > SMITH m. MARY ELIZABETH GRAHAM, LEE CO., IOWA, my Great Grandparents > Alonzo m. Emma Hinch, Lee Co., Iowa > Merritt died as a young man in Lee Co., Iowa. My grandfather is named > after this young man. > > John C and Mary "Polly" along with all of the above children and spouses > came to Iowa around 1854 or 1855. They all lived and died in Lee Co., Iowa > and all are buried within 5 miles of my home. > > Linda >>>>>>>>>>Hi Linda, you say that they all moved to Lee County(where you must live?) in 1854-55. Let me ask you a few questions. Did they already have relatives there at the time? Any references to a Valencourt VanOrsdale, and if so do they mention relationship. Perhaps written in letters, corespondence, wills, family bibles, etc...? you mentioned graves near your house, are any of them marked with Louisa VanOrsdale or Louisa Muir between 1836 and 1850? Any other Van Osdale graves marked with dates in that time? If you have looked in your Lee county history, you know that Valencourt lived there from 1827 till he died. Of course, he did go to California in the 1850's for a few years.

Hi ken...and everyone else, I did post a message with more details, but I will do another one...This one will be more detailed. This was given to my by an aunt... Symon Janse(z) Vanarsdalen b abt 1629 Netherlands m Pieterje Van Schouwen Claesen Cornelis Simonse Vanarsdalen b abt 1662 Flatlands, Kings NY m Marretje Dirckse Ammerman Jan Van Arsdalen b abt 1696 Flatlands Kings NY m Jannetje Dorland Cornelius Van Arsdalen b abt 1721 m Femmetie Van Nuys Cornelius Vanosdoll chr 5 Sep 1758 Dutch Reformed Church, Harlingen, Somerset New Jersey m Susannah Isaac Vannausdle b 2 Oct 1787 Pennsylvania m Elizabeth Hayes Isaac Vannausdle b 1 Mar 1816 Knox Ohio m Levina/Lenorra Johnson Charles Franklin Vannausdle b 19 May 1851 jefferson, Iowa m Mary Swain Isaac Wesley Van Ausdle b 4 Oct 1886 Garfield County, Washington Territory m Mabel Alvina Cline The last are my grandparents. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Keller <krk@ma.ultranet.com> To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 18, 2000 6:24 AM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call >Hi Helen, > >Why don't you give us what you have in your line? It would help to >identify the Van branch. > >Ken > >At 02:27 PM 8/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: >>Marsha, >> My grandfather Isaac VanAusdle was a diabetic, as was my mother and >>myself. >> >>Helen >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Marsha Tate <mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us> >>To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:41 PM >>Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call >> >> >> >Oops! >> > >> >In my excitement to agree with Terri's idea I forgot to send my >> >information. >> > >> >My "brick wall" is finding the parents of Levi VanArsdale, a blacksmith, >> >born ca1800 Drakesville/Chester, Morris County, NJ. He married 1) Abigail >> >Goble ca1825 and they had a son, Abner G. who also became a Master >> >blacksmith with several apprentices including his young half-brother, >> >Nathaniel Horton VanArsdale (my g-g-grandfather). Grandpa Nathaniel's >> >mother was AnnEliza Horton, whom Levi married in the Chester, Morris >> >County area on Sept. 26, 1833. Nathaniel was born in March, 1838. >> > >> >To confuse the issue there are TWO Nathaniel H. VanArsdales: my >> >g-g-grandfather and Nathaniel Hixson Van Arsdale... and they were BOTH >> >born in 1838... >> > >> >I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several >> >weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their >> >line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 >> >line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of >> >you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi >> >and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. >> > >> >Thanks for the great idea, Terri! >> > >> >Marsha Tate >> >mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== >> >Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to >>most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) >> ><http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> >> > >> >> >>==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== >>Please remember to cite your sources and give credit where credit is due. >>JoAnn's Van Arsdale Research >><http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/m/Jo-A-Ramseyer/index.html> >>Charles Vanorsdale's Descendants of Joosten van Haesdale: >><http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/v/a/n/Charles-R-Vanorsdale/index.htm l> >>Bryce Stevens Van Arsdale page is at >><http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Bryce-H-Stevens/> >>Belle's "Van Page" is at <http://www.goodnet.com/~dmyers/belle-v.html> >>Read about the Van Arsdale MYTH >><http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdalemyth.html> >>Sharon Kelley's Van Arsdale page is at >><http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2679> >>The Darland genealogical database has Van Arsdale data: >><http://w3.one.net/~durp/database/Darland/Darland-surname.htm> >>FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. > >Ken Keller >krk@ma.ultranet.com > > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== >Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) ><http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> >

Benjamin Vanosdaugh (Vannosdol, Van Osdoll) and his son Philip first appear in Luzerne (now Wyoming Co.), PA) about 1810. Philip married Melissa Churchwell and they had at least three children : my grandfather William who married Olive Robi(n)son, daughter of John and Olive (Howard) Robi(n)son and moved to Fort Dodge, Iowa, after the Civil War; Churchwell, who moved to Oklahoma before 1900; and Abby who married Thomas Sherwood and moved to Iowa when widowed. I cannot find where Benjamin came from. Family stories say New York. I cannot find any information on the Churchwell side either. Any information would be appreciated. Connie Walther -----Original Message----- From: Brian & Terri Rene (DaVar) Howard [mailto:brianter@macatawa.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 4:55 PM To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call Anyone interested in a Roll Call? If *YES* then please "reply" to this e-mail, add your surnames in the subject line, and list your most frustrating *brickwall* ancestors with any known dates, places, siblings, spouses, children ... If *NO* then please use your delete button. There are several new members on this list .... perhaps it will encourage them to post something if they see the rest of us interacting & sharing <grin>. Terri Rene DaVar-Howard List Moderator ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== Please remember to cite your sources and give credit where credit is due. JoAnn's Van Arsdale Research <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/m/Jo-A-Ramseyer/index.html> Charles Vanorsdale's Descendants of Joosten van Haesdale: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/v/a/n/Charles-R-Vanorsdale/index.html> Bryce Stevens Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Bryce-H-Stevens/> Belle's "Van Page" is at <http://www.goodnet.com/~dmyers/belle-v.html> Read about the Van Arsdale MYTH <http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdalemyth.html> Sharon Kelley's Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2679> The Darland genealogical database has Van Arsdale data: <http://w3.one.net/~durp/database/Darland/Darland-surname.htm> FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records.

This message, too, bounced so I'm trying again. Marsha On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Marsha Tate wrote: > Helen, > > Thank you for sharing your family information. As far as we know, > Nathaniel's three daughters and their children escaped the disease but > four of his great-grandchildren and three of his great-great-grandchildren > are diabetic. > > I realize we won't be able to find "cause of death: diabetes" much farther > back then the people you and I have mentioned. However, I would be > interested to learn who your grandfather's VanAusdle ancesters were as a > clue that might help me link Levi and family to the rest of the Vans. > > Marsha > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Helen Long wrote: > > > Marsha, > > My grandfather Isaac VanAusdle was a diabetic, as was my mother and > > myself. > > > > Helen > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marsha Tate <mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us> > > To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call > > > > > > >Oops! > > > > > >In my excitement to agree with Terri's idea I forgot to send my > > >information. > > > > > >My "brick wall" is finding the parents of Levi VanArsdale, a blacksmith, > > >born ca1800 Drakesville/Chester, Morris County, NJ. He married 1) Abigail > > >Goble ca1825 and they had a son, Abner G. who also became a Master > > >blacksmith with several apprentices including his young half-brother, > > >Nathaniel Horton VanArsdale (my g-g-grandfather). Grandpa Nathaniel's > > >mother was AnnEliza Horton, whom Levi married in the Chester, Morris > > >County area on Sept. 26, 1833. Nathaniel was born in March, 1838. > > > > > >To confuse the issue there are TWO Nathaniel H. VanArsdales: my > > >g-g-grandfather and Nathaniel Hixson Van Arsdale... and they were BOTH > > >born in 1838... > > > > > >I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several > > >weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their > > >line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 > > >line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of > > >you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi > > >and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. > > > > > >Thanks for the great idea, Terri! > > > > > >Marsha Tate > > >mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > > >Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to > > most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) > > ><http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> > > > > > > > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > > Please remember to cite your sources and give credit where credit is due. > > JoAnn's Van Arsdale Research <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/m/Jo-A-Ramseyer/index.html> > > Charles Vanorsdale's Descendants of Joosten van Haesdale: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/v/a/n/Charles-R-Vanorsdale/index.html> > > Bryce Stevens Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Bryce-H-Stevens/> > > Belle's "Van Page" is at <http://www.goodnet.com/~dmyers/belle-v.html> > > Read about the Van Arsdale MYTH <http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdalemyth.html> > > Sharon Kelley's Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2679> > > The Darland genealogical database has Van Arsdale data: <http://w3.one.net/~durp/database/Darland/Darland-surname.htm> > > FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. > > > > > >

This message came back "host unknown" so I'm trying again. Marsha On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Marsha Tate wrote: > Hi, Sharon, Ken and all, > > It's me again, Marsha with the orphan Van Arsdales Levi and Nathaniel. > > In the interest of accuracy, I have been wanting to share with you the two > errors in this biography from the Harrison County History. (I guess they > didn't have SpellCheck in those days! :-}) Ken has already corrected > "Norris County" to "Morris County" but the most misleading one is the > maiden name of Levi's second wife: she was Ann(a)Eliza Horton of the > prominent Deacon Nathaniel Horton family. > > Ken, I must also apologize for sending you mixed up information. It is > Nathaniel whose death certificate I have and which lists his cause of > death as diabetes, not his father, Levi. > > Marsha > > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Ken Keller wrote: > > > Hi Sharon, > > > > This is your old buddy, Ken. I had always assumed that you had > > seen the attached. Apparently not. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > BIOGRAPHY: From The Heritage Collection - History and Biography of Harrison > > Co, Iowa,1891 > > > > Nathaniel H. Vanarsdale, of Reeder's Mills, Jefferson Township, who has > > been a resident of the county since February 1, 1866, will form the subject > > of this notice. > > Mr. Vanarsdale was born in Morris County, N.J., March 8, 1838. He is the > > son of Levi and Anna Eliza (Horter) Vanarsdale. The father was a > > blacksmith by trade. He was born in 1800, and died in the county in which > > he was born, April 14, 1862. The mother died in the same county, July 27, > > 1867, aged sixty years. Their only child was Nathaniel H., our > > subject. He has a half brother, by his father's first wife, named Abner > > G., a resident of Binghamton, Broome County, N.Y. When thirteen years of > > age, Nathaniel H. commenced learning the blacksmith trade of his father, > > with whom he worked until he was seventeen years old, when he was bound out > > one year to his half brother, to complete his trade, after which he worked > > for the Yellow Bird Omnibus Line, doing job work in New York for them > for > > six years. He then followed his trade, as a government blacksmith, for one > > year and eleven months, and then came by rail to Keokuk, Iowa, and crossed > > the State of Iowa by stage to Council Bluffs, arriving February 14, 1864, > > were he remained until February, 1866, and then came to Harrison County, > > and built a shop at "Hard Scratch" (Reeder's Mills). The first fire was > > built in his forge February 4, 1866. He continued to work at the trade > > until October 1, 1873, when he moved to Logan and operated a shop until > > March 1, 1877, at which date he returned to Reeder's Mills, and in 1879 > > rebuilt his shop, and is still wielding the sledge at that point. > > > > He was united in marriage in Morris County, N.J., May 11, 1862, to Margaret > > Sanford, a native of Sussex County, of the same State, born December 7, > > 1835. She is the eldest child of a family of three sons and three > > daughters, of Garrison M. and Mary J. Sanford. Mr. and Mrs. Vanarsdale are > > the parents of three children: Mary Jane, born October 1, 1863; Nettie, > > December 10, 1867; and Hattie, February 21, 1870. > > > > Politically, Mr. Vanarsdale believes in the principles of the Democratic > > party, and in religious matters he and his wife favor the teachings of the > > Methodist Episcopal Church. > > > > When he came to Harrison County his earthly possessions consisted of $5 in > > money and a few household goods. Being in possession of a good trade, oft- > > repeated blows upon the anvil he forged for himself and family a > > comfortable home in the "Kingdom of Harrison" now one of Iowa's banner > > counties. > > > > DEATH: Levi died of diabetes [src: Sharon Tate, who has his death cert]. > > > > Ken Keller > > krk@ma.ultranet.com > > > > > > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > > GenConnect USA Visitors Center <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/usaindex.html> > > GenConnect Global Surname Search <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi?search> > > > > > >

> Hi, Sharon, Ken and all, > > It's me again, Marsha with the orphan Van Arsdales Levi and Nathaniel. > > In the interest of accuracy, I have been wanting to share with you the two > errors in this biography from the Harrison County History. (I guess they > didn't have SpellCheck in those days! :-}) Ken has already corrected > "Norris County" to "Morris County" but the most misleading one is the > maiden name of Levi's second wife: she was Ann(a)Eliza Horton of the > prominent Deacon Nathaniel Horton family. > > Ken, I must also apologize for sending you mixed up information. It is > Nathaniel whose death certificate I have and which lists his cause of > death as diabetes, not his father, Levi. > > Marsha > > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Ken Keller wrote: > > > Hi Sharon, > > > > This is your old buddy, Ken. I had always assumed that you had > > seen the attached. Apparently not. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > BIOGRAPHY: From The Heritage Collection - History and Biography of Harrison > > Co, Iowa,1891 > > > > Nathaniel H. Vanarsdale, of Reeder's Mills, Jefferson Township, who has > > been a resident of the county since February 1, 1866, will form the subject > > of this notice. > > Mr. Vanarsdale was born in Morris County, N.J., March 8, 1838. He is the > > son of Levi and Anna Eliza (Horter) Vanarsdale. The father was a > > blacksmith by trade. He was born in 1800, and died in the county in which > > he was born, April 14, 1862. The mother died in the same county, July 27, > > 1867, aged sixty years. Their only child was Nathaniel H., our > > subject. He has a half brother, by his father's first wife, named Abner > > G., a resident of Binghamton, Broome County, N.Y. When thirteen years of > > age, Nathaniel H. commenced learning the blacksmith trade of his father, > > with whom he worked until he was seventeen years old, when he was bound out > > one year to his half brother, to complete his trade, after which he worked > > for the Yellow Bird Omnibus Line, doing job work in New York for them > for > > six years. He then followed his trade, as a government blacksmith, for one > > year and eleven months, and then came by rail to Keokuk, Iowa, and crossed > > the State of Iowa by stage to Council Bluffs, arriving February 14, 1864, > > were he remained until February, 1866, and then came to Harrison County, > > and built a shop at "Hard Scratch" (Reeder's Mills). The first fire was > > built in his forge February 4, 1866. He continued to work at the trade > > until October 1, 1873, when he moved to Logan and operated a shop until > > March 1, 1877, at which date he returned to Reeder's Mills, and in 1879 > > rebuilt his shop, and is still wielding the sledge at that point. > > > > He was united in marriage in Morris County, N.J., May 11, 1862, to Margaret > > Sanford, a native of Sussex County, of the same State, born December 7, > > 1835. She is the eldest child of a family of three sons and three > > daughters, of Garrison M. and Mary J. Sanford. Mr. and Mrs. Vanarsdale are > > the parents of three children: Mary Jane, born October 1, 1863; Nettie, > > December 10, 1867; and Hattie, February 21, 1870. > > > > Politically, Mr. Vanarsdale believes in the principles of the Democratic > > party, and in religious matters he and his wife favor the teachings of the > > Methodist Episcopal Church. > > > > When he came to Harrison County his earthly possessions consisted of $5 in > > money and a few household goods. Being in possession of a good trade, oft- > > repeated blows upon the anvil he forged for himself and family a > > comfortable home in the "Kingdom of Harrison" now one of Iowa's banner > > counties. > > > > DEATH: Levi died of diabetes [src: Sharon Tate, who has his death cert]. > > > > Ken Keller > > krk@ma.ultranet.com > > > > > > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > > GenConnect USA Visitors Center <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/usaindex.html> > > GenConnect Global Surname Search <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi?search> > > > > > >

My John C. Vanarsdall b. abt 1800 d. 1874 in Lee Co., Iowa. He was the son of Cornelius C. and Mary (Vanderipe) Vanarsdall. John m. Mary "Polly" Westerfield May 2, 1825, Mercer Co., KY. They had the following children- Mary Jane m. William Peevler, Mercer Co., KY Catherine Ann m. William Colvin, Mercer Co., KY William m. Saramanda Utley, Mercer Co., KY Charles m. Virginia Collins, Lee Co., Iowa SMITH m. MARY ELIZABETH GRAHAM, LEE CO., IOWA, my Great Grandparents Alonzo m. Emma Hinch, Lee Co., Iowa Merritt died as a young man in Lee Co., Iowa. My grandfather is named after this young man. John C and Mary "Polly" along with all of the above children and spouses came to Iowa around 1854 or 1855. They all lived and died in Lee Co., Iowa and all are buried within 5 miles of my home. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Karol Stanley [SMTP:stanlekv@erinet.com] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:40 PM To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call Linda, what John C. VanArsdale would that be? Thanks you. Sasha Stanley stanlekv@erinet.com ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== Please LINK to this page from your own Web Site: <http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdale>

John Vanasdal, born 1823, PA or possibly what is now WV Married to Deborah Jordan, or possibly had a wife before her. The 1860 Licking Co., OH census shows John and Deborah and children Cozine, Caroline, and Lucinda. It should have also shown John Isaac Vanasdal, born 1859, but he isn't listed in the household. 1870 census shows children as Corridine, Caroline, Lucinda, John Isaac, and Emily. There is much confusion regarding the mother of John Isaac, and I'm wondering, among many other things, if he could have been the son of another John Vanasdal and taken in to live with this John and Deborah for some reason. John Isaac was born in 1859 and died in an accident in 1901 in Vigo Co., IN. At that time his parents were still living and two of the daughters listed with John and Deborah. I know that Corridine had died in 1887 in Seneca Co., OH (also an accident) but have learned nothing about the daughters other than that two of them were living in 1901 (John Isaac's obit, which did not give names). I've posted this many times, but that's all the information I have ever been able to collect. John and Deborah are not listed in Vigo Co., death records, even though they were living there in the 1900 census and probably in 1901. I can't find where or when they died and until I do, I guess I won't know the parents of John Vanasdal. He was also listed in a few records as John Vanausdal. It's possible he was a son or brother of a William Vanasdal who also lived in Licking Co., OH, and most of the time near John, but I haven't learned anything about him, either, other than the fact that he was living with Hixon Blade and wife Mary (probably his daughter). I know Hixon Blade died, but don't know what happened to Mary after he died. The William Vanasdal who was living with them may be the William Vanasdal who died in the Licking Co. Infirmary in 1900. I have been in contact with the family of Corridine Vanasdal, but they know nothing more than I do and I don't know where to turn next. Records I send for don't seem to be available, and I've been to Licking Co. and found practically nothing, and Vigo Co. and learned only a little about John Isaac. From John Isaac down to myself, I know all the family because we are it, and we are a mighty small pod of people trying to learn which branch of the Vans we belong to. Barb Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian & Terri Rene (DaVar) Howard" <brianter@macatawa.org> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call > Anyone interested in a Roll Call? > > If *YES* then please "reply" to this e-mail, > add your surnames in the subject line, > and list your most frustrating *brickwall* ancestors with any > known dates, places, siblings, spouses, children ... > > > If *NO* then please use your delete button. > > There are several new members on this list .... perhaps it > will encourage them to post something if they see the rest of > us interacting & sharing <grin>. > > Terri Rene DaVar-Howard > List Moderator > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > Please remember to cite your sources and give credit where credit is due. > JoAnn's Van Arsdale Research <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/m/Jo-A-Ramseyer/index.html> > Charles Vanorsdale's Descendants of Joosten van Haesdale: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/v/a/n/Charles-R-Vanorsdale/index.html> > Bryce Stevens Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Bryce-H-Stevens/> > Belle's "Van Page" is at <http://www.goodnet.com/~dmyers/belle-v.html> > Read about the Van Arsdale MYTH <http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdalemyth.html> > Sharon Kelley's Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2679> > The Darland genealogical database has Van Arsdale data: <http://w3.one.net/~durp/database/Darland/Darland-surname.htm> > FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. >

Linda, what John C. VanArsdale would that be? Thanks you. Sasha Stanley stanlekv@erinet.com

Great idea! My brick wall is Kathryn Van Osdel Mackey, wife of John J. Mackey, who lived in Mills County Iowa as late as 1849. Kathryn, called Kate, died somewhere in Mills Co, Iowa; Missouri; or Nebraska, but I cannot find out where. Stories have been floating around that she died in childbirth, but this is not true as she was alive 3-5 years after the birth of her last child and included in the census of 1849. Yes, I have read the writeup in the new Mills Co history. Thank you, all. Sasha Stanley Greene Co OH

I have one interesting fact to add to this. There was a Hixson Blade married to a Mary, who I believe was a Van, in Licking Co., OH in the 1850's, 60's. Hixson is NOT a common given name, I don't think, and I wonder if there is any connection to the Nathaniel Hixon Van. The reason I belive Mary, noted above, was a Van is that a William Vanasdal was living with Mary and her husband and their children. The relationship was not given, and he was not a hired hand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Long" <hdlong@gwtc.net> To: <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call > Marsha, > My grandfather Isaac VanAusdle was a diabetic, as was my mother and > myself. > > Helen > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha Tate <mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us> > To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call > > > >Oops! > > > >In my excitement to agree with Terri's idea I forgot to send my > >information. > > > >My "brick wall" is finding the parents of Levi VanArsdale, a blacksmith, > >born ca1800 Drakesville/Chester, Morris County, NJ. He married 1) Abigail > >Goble ca1825 and they had a son, Abner G. who also became a Master > >blacksmith with several apprentices including his young half-brother, > >Nathaniel Horton VanArsdale (my g-g-grandfather). Grandpa Nathaniel's > >mother was AnnEliza Horton, whom Levi married in the Chester, Morris > >County area on Sept. 26, 1833. Nathaniel was born in March, 1838. > > > >To confuse the issue there are TWO Nathaniel H. VanArsdales: my > >g-g-grandfather and Nathaniel Hixson Van Arsdale... and they were BOTH > >born in 1838... > > > >I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several > >weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their > >line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 > >line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of > >you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi > >and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. > > > >Thanks for the great idea, Terri! > > > >Marsha Tate > >mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us > > > > > > > > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > >Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to > most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) > ><http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> > > > > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > Please remember to cite your sources and give credit where credit is due. > JoAnn's Van Arsdale Research <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/m/Jo-A-Ramseyer/index.html> > Charles Vanorsdale's Descendants of Joosten van Haesdale: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/v/a/n/Charles-R-Vanorsdale/index.html> > Bryce Stevens Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Bryce-H-Stevens/> > Belle's "Van Page" is at <http://www.goodnet.com/~dmyers/belle-v.html> > Read about the Van Arsdale MYTH <http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdalemyth.html> > Sharon Kelley's Van Arsdale page is at <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2679> > The Darland genealogical database has Van Arsdale data: <http://w3.one.net/~durp/database/Darland/Darland-surname.htm> > FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. >

"YES", I think this a wonderful idea. I just recently found my Husband's greatgrandfather - Shedrick Van Orsdale - had siblings! That was brickwall #1. I'd like to share this with all of you: William G. VanOrsdale married Mary Elizbeth Fisher >we are assuming all children were born Berkeley Springs, Morgan, WV 1) John Wesley Van Orsdale married Unknown ++Frank ++Henry ++Lewis ++Clarence ++Earnest 2) William M. married Unknown ++William ++Elmer ++Bradley ++Theodore ++Bessie ++Berdie ++Manda ++Goldie 3) Charles Tyson Van Orsdale married Ollie Hansen Young (I have more than what I will post here) ++Charles LeRoy ++Florence Helen ++Ollie Regina ++Andrew Richard 4)Elizabeth A. Van Orsdale married John Ambrose ++Nancy Ambrose 5) Shedrick Benjamin Van Orsdale married Roseanna Garland (I have plenty more for this!) Moved to Canton, Stark, Ohio ++Grace Elizabeth Garland (Shedrick adopted Grace) ++Mary Mae Van Orsdale married Harold Gribben (From whence we descend!) ++Ruth P. Van Orsdale ++William Calvin Beck "Bud" Van Orsdale ++Harry Cornwell Van Orsdale ++Bertha Amelia Van Orsdale ++Ida Roseanna Van Orsdale ++Lawrence Oscar Van Orsdale 6) Mary J (Janie) Van Orsdale married Tice Ambrose (First name?) *Brickwall #2: Shedrick's death certificate verifies William G. and Mary Elizabeth as parents. The informant on the Shedrick's death certificate was Edward Van Orsdale. Who is Edward Van Orsdale of Canton, Stark, Ohio in January 1943??? Thanks for bearing with me! By the way if any of the other names look familar - please let me know! Laura Gribben

My ancestry come through Jane (Jannetje) Van Arsdalen born about 1755, in NJ, who married Daniel Covert. Who were Jane's parents and where was she buried? Thanks. Sue Varner, Iowa NArendsee@aol.com wrote: > My brick wall is Leah VanArsdale b. ca. 1800-1805 in York (now Adams) Co. > Pennsylvania. Recently a relative told me that her father is David > Vanarsdalen, son of Johannes Vanarsdalen and Eleanor Peterson. I have found > information on David's parents and siblings but nothing on his wife and > children. Does anybody have information on this David Vanarsdalen's wife and > children? > > Nancy Arendsee > > ==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > The Van Arsdale Mailing List can be searched by anyone interested in doing so: > <http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=VanArsdale-L> > An alternate means of searching the Mailing lists can be found at: > <http://searches.rootsweb.com/roots-l.html> > A third place to search the Mailing Lists for Van Arsdale information is: > <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/> a Threaded Archive - you will need to Sign-up for access (free) > If you have already Signed-up, you can go directly to > <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/VANARSDALE-L/> > ROOTSWEB's interactive search engine for Mailing Lists > <http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> > Please DO use ALL of these search engines, as they will each have different results for you.

Hi Helen, Why don't you give us what you have in your line? It would help to identify the Van branch. Ken At 02:27 PM 8/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Marsha, > My grandfather Isaac VanAusdle was a diabetic, as was my mother and >myself. > >Helen >-----Original Message----- >From: Marsha Tate <mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us> >To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:41 PM >Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call > > > >Oops! > > > >In my excitement to agree with Terri's idea I forgot to send my > >information. > > > >My "brick wall" is finding the parents of Levi VanArsdale, a blacksmith, > >born ca1800 Drakesville/Chester, Morris County, NJ. He married 1) Abigail > >Goble ca1825 and they had a son, Abner G. who also became a Master > >blacksmith with several apprentices including his young half-brother, > >Nathaniel Horton VanArsdale (my g-g-grandfather). Grandpa Nathaniel's > >mother was AnnEliza Horton, whom Levi married in the Chester, Morris > >County area on Sept. 26, 1833. Nathaniel was born in March, 1838. > > > >To confuse the issue there are TWO Nathaniel H. VanArsdales: my > >g-g-grandfather and Nathaniel Hixson Van Arsdale... and they were BOTH > >born in 1838... > > > >I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several > >weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their > >line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 > >line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of > >you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi > >and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. > > > >Thanks for the great idea, Terri! > > > >Marsha Tate > >mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us > > > > > > > > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== > >Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to >most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) > ><http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> > > > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== >Please remember to cite your sources and give credit where credit is due. >JoAnn's Van Arsdale Research ><http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/a/m/Jo-A-Ramseyer/index.html> >Charles Vanorsdale's Descendants of Joosten van Haesdale: ><http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/v/a/n/Charles-R-Vanorsdale/index.html> >Bryce Stevens Van Arsdale page is at ><http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/t/e/Bryce-H-Stevens/> >Belle's "Van Page" is at <http://www.goodnet.com/~dmyers/belle-v.html> >Read about the Van Arsdale MYTH ><http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdalemyth.html> >Sharon Kelley's Van Arsdale page is at ><http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/2679> >The Darland genealogical database has Van Arsdale data: ><http://w3.one.net/~durp/database/Darland/Darland-surname.htm> >FLOOR: (n) The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. Ken Keller krk@ma.ultranet.com

Hi Sharon, This is your old buddy, Ken. I had always assumed that you had seen the attached. Apparently not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ BIOGRAPHY: From The Heritage Collection - History and Biography of Harrison Co, Iowa,1891 Nathaniel H. Vanarsdale, of Reeder's Mills, Jefferson Township, who has been a resident of the county since February 1, 1866, will form the subject of this notice. Mr. Vanarsdale was born in Morris County, N.J., March 8, 1838. He is the son of Levi and Anna Eliza (Horter) Vanarsdale. The father was a blacksmith by trade. He was born in 1800, and died in the county in which he was born, April 14, 1862. The mother died in the same county, July 27, 1867, aged sixty years. Their only child was Nathaniel H., our subject. He has a half brother, by his father's first wife, named Abner G., a resident of Binghamton, Broome County, N.Y. When thirteen years of age, Nathaniel H. commenced learning the blacksmith trade of his father, with whom he worked until he was seventeen years old, when he was bound out one year to his half brother, to complete his trade, after which he worked for the Yellow Bird Omnibus Line, doing job work in New York for them for six years. He then followed his trade, as a government blacksmith, for one year and eleven months, and then came by rail to Keokuk, Iowa, and crossed the State of Iowa by stage to Council Bluffs, arriving February 14, 1864, were he remained until February, 1866, and then came to Harrison County, and built a shop at "Hard Scratch" (Reeder's Mills). The first fire was built in his forge February 4, 1866. He continued to work at the trade until October 1, 1873, when he moved to Logan and operated a shop until March 1, 1877, at which date he returned to Reeder's Mills, and in 1879 rebuilt his shop, and is still wielding the sledge at that point. He was united in marriage in Morris County, N.J., May 11, 1862, to Margaret Sanford, a native of Sussex County, of the same State, born December 7, 1835. She is the eldest child of a family of three sons and three daughters, of Garrison M. and Mary J. Sanford. Mr. and Mrs. Vanarsdale are the parents of three children: Mary Jane, born October 1, 1863; Nettie, December 10, 1867; and Hattie, February 21, 1870. Politically, Mr. Vanarsdale believes in the principles of the Democratic party, and in religious matters he and his wife favor the teachings of the Methodist Episcopal Church. When he came to Harrison County his earthly possessions consisted of $5 in money and a few household goods. Being in possession of a good trade, oft- repeated blows upon the anvil he forged for himself and family a comfortable home in the "Kingdom of Harrison" now one of Iowa's banner counties. DEATH: Levi died of diabetes [src: Sharon Tate, who has his death cert]. Ken Keller krk@ma.ultranet.com

Oops! In my excitement to agree with Terri's idea I forgot to send my information. My "brick wall" is finding the parents of Levi VanArsdale, a blacksmith, born ca1800 Drakesville/Chester, Morris County, NJ. He married 1) Abigail Goble ca1825 and they had a son, Abner G. who also became a Master blacksmith with several apprentices including his young half-brother, Nathaniel Horton VanArsdale (my g-g-grandfather). Grandpa Nathaniel's mother was AnnEliza Horton, whom Levi married in the Chester, Morris County area on Sept. 26, 1833. Nathaniel was born in March, 1838. To confuse the issue there are TWO Nathaniel H. VanArsdales: my g-g-grandfather and Nathaniel Hixson Van Arsdale... and they were BOTH born in 1838... I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. Thanks for the great idea, Terri! Marsha Tate mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us

Marsha, My grandfather Isaac VanAusdle was a diabetic, as was my mother and myself. Helen -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Tate <mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us> To: VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [VanArsdale-L] Roll Call >Oops! > >In my excitement to agree with Terri's idea I forgot to send my >information. > >My "brick wall" is finding the parents of Levi VanArsdale, a blacksmith, >born ca1800 Drakesville/Chester, Morris County, NJ. He married 1) Abigail >Goble ca1825 and they had a son, Abner G. who also became a Master >blacksmith with several apprentices including his young half-brother, >Nathaniel Horton VanArsdale (my g-g-grandfather). Grandpa Nathaniel's >mother was AnnEliza Horton, whom Levi married in the Chester, Morris >County area on Sept. 26, 1833. Nathaniel was born in March, 1838. > >To confuse the issue there are TWO Nathaniel H. VanArsdales: my >g-g-grandfather and Nathaniel Hixson Van Arsdale... and they were BOTH >born in 1838... > >I do have one clue that may help one of y'all :-} make the link: several >weeks ago I asked the list if any of their Vans had diabetes in their >line. Linda Hayes of the Cornelius C. Vanarsdall, born February 15, 1766 >line, was the only one who answered with a "yes". If none of the rest of >you have diabetes (a cruel, inherited disease)in your Van lines, then Levi >and family MUST somehow be connected to Linda's Cornelius C. > >Thanks for the great idea, Terri! > >Marsha Tate >mtate@libby.rbls.lib.il.us > > > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== >Search the VanArsdale CLUSTER for VANARSDALE (V562) at ROOTSWEB (links to most VanArsdale data available from Rootsweb) ><http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/> >

My brick wall is Leah VanArsdale b. ca. 1800-1805 in York (now Adams) Co. Pennsylvania. Recently a relative told me that her father is David Vanarsdalen, son of Johannes Vanarsdalen and Eleanor Peterson. I have found information on David's parents and siblings but nothing on his wife and children. Does anybody have information on this David Vanarsdalen's wife and children? Nancy Arendsee