Posted on: VanArsdale Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdale/64 Surname: Van Orsdel, Van Arsdalen ------------------------- Suggest you contact: Cavin, Kathryn E-mail Address(es): kcavin@snowcrest.net Kathryn is wife of Charles J. Van Orsdel (deceased) I'm a decendant of Samuel Van Orsdel, b: 1825,d:1908, brother of William Wesley Van Orsdel, aka "Brother Van"

Posted on: VanArsdale Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdale/62 Surname: Van Artsdalen ------------------------- You posted this to the Vanartsdalen list. I have been off the list for a bit, but just checked it today. Jacob was my great great grandfather and Eliza my great great grandmother. I have information at home on them including their parents names. Jacobs father was Christopher and his mother was Rachel. Jacob died in Dennisville NJ but is buried with his wife in Philadelphia. I will have to look up the cemetary. Jacobs son, Isaac Geary Van Artsdalen was my great grandfather. How are you connected to them? Where are you from?

Posted on: Biographies of Van Arsdale & Related Families Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdaleBios/121 Surname: Van Arsdale ------------------------- I am looking for any information on my great-grandfather, Abraham Van Arsdale. All that I know is that he married Fanny Paulson and that one of his children was Charles Gregary Van Arsdale, born in Pa. in 1883. Please help if you can. Barry L. Callen Grandson of Charles Van Arsdale Email bcallen@anderson.edu

Ken et al, In the July issue of The Vanguard, I presented some "arguments" for the origin of the family name, whether Dutch, Belgian, Swiss, or Danish. To be blunt, the point is "how far back do we go?" In medieval Netherlands, which included both modern Belgium and what we call "Holland", the name was most abundant in East Flanders at least as far back as the late 1300s. (Of course, it had numerous spelling variations.) In modern "Holland" our presence was limited, centering around Amsterdam, Gouda, and Leiden, in the late 1500s, 1600s, and 1700s. We "Vans" in the U.S. all seem to descend from a man who was born in Belgium and lived in Amsterdam a scant dozen years before leaving the Netherlands. The name in the Old Country was frequently spelled "van Haedsdaele", believe it or not, and we still have relatives over there named "Van Haetsdaele" along the border of Belgium and France. Many have moved to France. I have hired Dutch and Belgian genealogists to do some digging for me and I have yet to find any connections outside these areas or any surname similar to "Orsdael" among these medieval ancestors. I believe, however, that there has been reference in some publications to an "Orsdael" on the island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea, and it is part of Denmark. The town still exists and is more commonly called "Aarsdale" now. Considerable speculation exists that our family came from this Danish island town and moved to "Holland". This was the central theme of the article in The Vanguard. We may never be able to prove or disprove this. One thing which is interesting is that both the Danish "Aarsdale" and the Belgian "Haedsdaele" are actually pronounced something like "Ozdoll". Charles R. Vanorsdale ----- Original Message ----- I was at the Family History Library in Salt Lake last week. While there, I saw a new Van Orsdall book had been added to the surname books collection. The book is "Van Orsdall Family History", by Judy Van Orsdall Downey. The book appears to be self-published. It covers a branch of the Van line that starts with Tunis in Orange Co, NY and follows the descendents to various parts of Ohio. The author is Mrs. Steven Downey, 1815 46th Street, Des Moines, IA 50310. One of the comments in the book is that the name Orsdall or Orsdael -without the Van- is fairly common in the Netherlands. That raises a question about a possible origin of the surname that was taken by Simon Jansz. The report from The Institute for Genealogy in the Hague, which many of the Van researchers have acquired, mentions that the name Van Arsdale is not found in the Netherlands. But how about the possibility that there is some relationship between the name Van Arsdale and some other Orsdall in the Netherlands? Ken Keller krk@ma.ultranet.com ______________________________

There were several pockets of Van Arsdales in PA in the 1800's the primary grouping being in Buck Co PA. You might try the Spruance LIbrary of the Historical Society of Bucks Co in Doylestown, PA. Another senario is that a few VanArsdales remained in the York Co, today's Adams County PA. Isaac and Esther Hoogelten Van Arsdale remained and their family stayed in this area for some generations. Hwever I show their children as: William Sally, Isaac, and Garrret., Hannah, Chariety, Hezekiah. There was also a Cornelious living there. Again, I do not see a John for that date, so I would suggest you try Bucks Co, PA. Judy

I was at the Family History Library in Salt Lake last week. While there, I saw a new Van Orsdall book had been added to the surname books collection. The book is "Van Orsdall Family History", by Judy Van Orsdall Downey. The book appears to be self-published. It covers a branch of the Van line that starts with Tunis in Orange Co, NY and follows the descendents to various parts of Ohio. The author is Mrs. Steven Downey, 1815 46th Street, Des Moines, IA 50310. One of the comments in the book is that the name Orsdall or Orsdael -without the Van- is fairly common in the Netherlands. That raises a question about a possible origin of the surname that was taken by Simon Jansz. The report from The Institute for Genealogy in the Hague, which many of the Van researchers have acquired, mentions that the name Van Arsdale is not found in the Netherlands. But how about the possibility that there is some relationship between the name Van Arsdale and some other Orsdall in the Netherlands? Ken Keller krk@ma.ultranet.com

I don't know about that emigration, but I found a passenger list some years ago that had a John Van coming from Switzerland in the 1700s. I've been searching for the note I made regarding that for at least three years. I even know what library I found the book in and now can't find the book. I just know it wasn't a book of immigrations, like we are used to seeing. It could have been a John Van who went back to Europe for some reason, but it could have been another branch of the family. I knew I should have been more orderly in my note taking, when I made that note, but I thought I could always find it again if I lost it. I was wrong! My own Vanasdal family was in PA, then OH, and then IN and I can't get past the birth of my great great grandfather, John Vanasdal, allegedly born in PA in 1823. He died after 1901 but I can't find his death certificate. He was in IN in 1900, but may have left there after his son was killed in an accident in 1901 and gone to live near one of the two remaining daughters. He had three daughters, Katherine, Lucinda, and Emily, and one was dead by 1901. I have no idea what their married names, if they married, were. Barb, in MS

Hi listers, The following is a paragraph I copied from an article I just found on a history of a Vannorsdel family in Larimer Co., Colorado, at http://www.northfortynews.com/CenturyStories/199909vannorsdel.htm: "While the Vannorsdel family may be considered area old-timers by Western standards, their roots in America date back even further. The family emigrated from Holland (their Dutch name was Van Arsdelen), with some coming to New Amsterdam in 1653 and others -- including Emanuel's ancestors -- sailing to Pennsylvania in 1768. Emanuel and Phoebe ventured west more than a hundred years later, settling first in Illinois and later in Stove Prairie." Note the history says some of the family emigrated in 1653 to New York and some in 1768 to Pennsylvania. Does anybody on the list know anything about this second emigration of the Van family to Pennsylvania? Nancy Arendsee

James, Is there any chance at all that you have misread the age of the son, John, of your John C.. Could it possibly be he was age one, instead of age 7? If you got the age from a census, that could very well be misread. My ggf has so many mysterious things surrounding his birth that I've often wondered if he was born to one John Vanasdal and then given to another John Vanasdal to raise. He was born in 1859, but he is not listed with the family in 1860, even though he definitely should have been. He does show up in the 1870 census, age 11. His name, however, was John Isaac, but that could have been changed to avoid confusion of some sort. (I write that as if the Vans ever seemed concerned about confusion regarding names) I have some other questions regarding your note, but they are mute unless you have any question at all about the age being 7, and not 1. Barb

"James A. Newman" wrote: > I am also having trouble connecting my John C. Vanarsdall family to the > John C. Vanarsdall that in 1870 has a different set of children. A Calvin > K., bn 1856, daughters Emma, bn 1863, Margaret Ellen, bn 1868, Vennia, bn > Abt 1871& Sally, bn Bet 1860-1862. Hello, I have forwarded your complete letter to the Van Arsdale Genealogy Mailing List <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com>, you may have a response from a member of that list. Probably you should consider investigating the list archives for any reference to your "Van" branch. It is accessible from this URL: <http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames/v/a/VANARSDALE/>. I do not have any mention of your John C., but I do have the e-mail address of K.V. Stanley <stanlekv@erinet.com> who in 1998 wrote: "My line is: John C. Vanarsdall b. Mercer Co Kentucky 1828 m. Elizabeth Ann Scott b. 1829. Family went to Indiana. Children Calvin, Maggie, Vinia, Sarah, Elizabeth, Emma, Josephine. Emma married Abram Banta." I also have the August 2000 e-mail address of Patricia Lynn Frazier <zetataual@prodigy.net> who is a descendant of the Emma who married Abram Banta. Either of them may be able to help you establish your John C.'s relationship to theirs. Happy Hunting, Terri Rene DaVar-Howard cc: Van Arsdale Genealogy Mailing List <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com>

PLEASE RESPOND TO "James A. Newman" <70243.343@compuserve.com> WITH A COPY TO The Van Arsdale Genealogy Mailing List <VanArsdale-L@rootsweb.com> THANKS!!! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Vanarsdall Family Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:09:03 -0500 From: "James A. Newman" <70243.343@compuserve.com> To: "brianter@macatawa.org" <brianter@macatawa.org> Hi Brian & Terry! I am researching Vanarsdall's from the Johnson, Marion, Hendricks & Hamilton Counties of Indiana. I am specifically looking for information on a John C. Vanarsdall & Elizabeth that in 1850 were in Mercer County, Kentucky with a daughter, age 4 months. In 1860, John C., age 36 and Elizabeth, age 26, were in Johnson County, Indiana with a daughter Elizabeth Martha, age 11, John C., age 7, and a daughter Josephine, age 2. My g-g grandmother was Elizabeth Martha Vanarsdall. She married Robert Leroy Newman in 1876 in Johnson County. She died in 1885 in Johnson County. Josephine married a Jerry Tingle in 1875 in Johnson County. I have been unable to track the John C., age 7. I am trying to find out what happen to him, unless he is one of two (2) Calvin's, age 14, shown in 1870. One was living with John C. Vanarsdall family, the other with a Abraham Vanarsdall family as a farm laborer. He may have been counted twice. I am also having trouble connecting my John C. Vanarsdall family to the John C. Vanarsdall that in 1870 has a different set of children. A Calvin K., bn 1856, daughters Emma, bn 1863, Margaret Ellen, bn 1868, Vennia, bn Abt 1871& Sally, bn Bet 1860-1862. There are also age discrepancies in the records for John C. Vanarsdall. Some records show him born 1829 and some show him born 1824. Does this fit into your family tree in some way. I would appreciate any information or suggestions you might be willing to share. Jim Newman

Dear Folks; Seeking fellow descendants of Simon Madison VanArsdale b. 2 Apr 1783 Conowego, York Co, PA d. 7 May 1847 Greene Co, IL m. 7 Jan 1809 Nancy C. Eccles b. 23 Sep 1787 Mercer Co, KY (?) d. 29 Oct 1847 Greene Co, IL. Seeking info on their descendants. I am descended from their Son, Addison Peter aka Peter Addison VanOsdell who m. Cynthia Mariah Wooster in Green Co and moved to Dade Co, MO. Thanks, Bob Wilson, Kansas City, KS

Posted on: VanArsdale Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdale/61 Surname: VAN ARSDALE, SNEDEKER, REYNIERSON, RYNIERSON, BANTA ------------------------- Hello Pam, Just found your posting. Maria VAN ARSDALE and Garret SNEDEKER were my 4th gr. grandparents. Their daughter Elsce SNEDEKER married Auke REYNIERSON. Their son Barrent RYNIERSON married Antie (Ann) BANTA. If you want to know more about this line, let me know. You probably know more about VAN ARSDALEs than I do, but for VAN ARSDALE Genealogy, have you tried http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdaledocuments.htm? It has a lot of info. Good luck, Mary (Mgillot@aol.com)

Today I received my copy of "The Van Voorhees Family in America", compiled and edited by Florence Christoph and published by The Van Voorhees Association (Gateway Press, Baltimore, MD, 2000). A quick check of the index revealed the following: p. 272: Jacob A. VOORHEES, s/o Abraham Voorhees & Maria Van Voorhees, married Lammetje SIMONSON, d/o John SIMONSON and Magdalena (--?--); Lammetje born 27 Oct 1759. p. 273. Ida VOORHEES, sister of Jacob A., married Abraham SIMONSON, parents not listed; Abraham born 12 Feb 1750. WELL as it turns out these 2 couples baptized most if not all of their children at Six Mile Run RDC, Somerset County. Checking the earlier baptismal records, Lammetje was baptized at Six Mile Run 25 Nov 1759 (SCHQ, vol. 8, #3, p. 213)and Abraham was baptized 18 Mar 1750 (SCHQ, vol. 8, no. 2, p. 125), about 1 month after their birth, as was the typical custom. HOWEVER both Lammetje and Abraham were recorded as children of Jan and Lena VAN ARSDALEN! Now, is this the same Jan and Lena who bp. Jan and Lammetje at Jamaica, Long Island in 1731 and 1733, respectively? And a son Cornelius at Harlingen RDC, Somerset Co., NJ on 16 Dec 1746 with the parents recorded as "Ian Symmesen and Lena"? If so, Jan and Lena had children over a 28 year period (1731-1759) which tests my credulity! Speculation exists that Lena was Magdalena Gerretse Dorland, bapt. 11 Dec 1714 at Jamaica, LI. If so, she would have been but 16 or 17 when son Jan was baptized at Jamaica. On the other hand, she would have been about 44 or 45 when (the second?) Lammetje was born. Did Jan (the elder) marry a second Lena? We'll have to work on that, but for now, it looks as if the Simonson-Van Arsdale connection has been supported. Charles R. Vanorsdale

A Dorland Genealogy authored by Barbara A. Barth, is currently being written. This book will probably be published in the year 2001. Continued through the 4th or 5th generation this book will untangle the mistaken relationships and correct the many errors made by John Dorland Cremer in the 1896 book "The Dorland Family in American". At this time, if someone has newly discovered information on the Dorland Family members or their spouses, you are welcome to submit your materials. All submissions must be cited and documented. Credit to the contributor's supplying any "newly" discovered information will be given. We do not wish to turn any new information away however, so if anyone feels that their information is of value, please submit it and hopefully we can find the documentation. Information taken from either the John Dorland Cremer Book or the publications by Wayne or Grant Dorland will not be accepted. If some one feels that they have information correcting "family legends" or other "long held as truth" information, please submit this also. There are still Dorlands for whom we need information and from time to time these requests to the public will be made. Your help and assistance is appreciated. All submissions should be sent to: Judy Cassidy Jamescassidy22@cs.com or Judy Cassidy 117 Evergreen Court Blue Bell, PA 19422

Posted on: Van Arsdale Obituaries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdaleObits/30 Surname: Curry, VanAusdal ------------------------- See link. Link: Sarah Curry obituary URL: <http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/USA/Oh/Preble/215>

First, thanks to all who have recently worked with me on the Simonson-Van Arsdale connections. It appears that several descendants of Jan Simonsz van Aersdalen (1676-1756) and wife Lammetje PROBASCO may have "adopted" the surname Simonson over the course of two generations in early New Jersey. This email will detail some of my findings and the results of some cooperative efforts. I am presenting these items to solicit further input as I am running out of available source data locally and must rely on info from helpful people scattered across the U.S. with access to other data. FIRST Jan Simonsz's namesake son Jan (born ca. 1705) married a "Lena", thought to be Magdalena Gerretse Dorland (bp. 12/11/1714 at Jamaica; NYGBR vol. 105, p. 204). No true proof of Lena's parentage has been identified, to my knowledge. "Jan van Aersdalen and Leena" baptized 2 children at Jamaica (Jan, 12/26/1731 and Lammetje, 5/13/1733). No further published trace of this Jan VAN AERSDALEN and Lena are found. However, on 12/16/1746 at the Harlingen RDC, a son "Corneles" is baptized to "Ian Symmesen and Lena" (GMNJ, vol. 17, no. 4, p. 85). Could this be Jan Simonsz's son and daughter-in-law? Also appearing at that church that same day were SIMON VAN AERSDALEN (Jan Simonsz's nephew, or Jan's cousin); CORNELUS VAN AERSDALEN (Simon's son); and MAREYTE (VAN AERSDALEN) wife of JOOST/GEORGE CASOU/CASSHOW, all bapsizing children. Additionally, to confuse the issue, PETER (DE)REMER and wife WYNTJE also baptized a daughter that day; WYNTJE is of the BARENT & APPOLONIA SIMONSON line out of Staten Island. Or perhaps, this was the "Johannis Simonse" who, on 9/2/1751 as a widower from Staten Island, married Libertje NEWBERRIE, widow of Flatbush (Long Island), as recorded in Frost's "Marriages from the Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of the Town of Flatbush, Kings Co., NY, vol. 1". SECOND, GARRET VAN AERSDALEN and wife ARIAENTJE baptized 3 children at Six Mile Run RDC between 1757 and 1763. Then from 1771 through 1776, GARRET SIMONSE and wife ARIAENTJE baptized 3 children at the Readington RDC. There is no record of a "Simon" born to this couple (or either couple, if they are not the same), although there is a sizeable time gap. One of the children baptized at Six Mile Run was named Christoffel (Christopher), bapt. 8/16/1761. There is a Revolutionary War pension application for a Christopher SIMONSON who stated that he was born in 1760 at Cranbury, NJ. Cranbury was very close to Six Mile Run, and their church records sometimes overlapped. This is the best evidence I have found so far linking the Simonsons and Van Aersdalens. LASTLY, there are numerous repetitions of the name LAMMETJE in the Simonson line, perhaps in honor of Jan Simonsz van Aersdalen's wife. Some of the Simonson children have been named "Simon Van Arsdale", which could be in honor of the Dutch pastor of the same name or the ancestor of all the Van Arsdales in this country. Any further thoughts or comments are greatly welcomed! Charles R. Vanorsdale

Posted on: VanArsdale Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdale/59 Surname: Vanartsdalen ------------------------- Under my name above is my new e-mail address.

Looking for information on Elenora Vanarsdale (dall). Born about 1825 in New York. Married John Auginbaugh in Marion County, Ohio August 29, 1844. They moved to Wabash County, Indiana. They had a daugher Lucy Auginbaugh in 1849. Any information on Elenora and her parents would be appreciated. Matt Weisman. Matt176@kellnet.com

Hi to all (especially to Charles!)! I have an Edward Van Orsdale, who was the informant on my husband's gg grandfather - Shedrick Benjamin Van Orsdale. Some searching led me to the Social Security Death Index. I found an Edward and thought I needed to know how Edward was related to Shedrick (AKA: Benjamin or "SB"). We already had all his children listed. We even found extended family and "found" siblings. Now I had this "Edward." I requested the Social Security Application, received the copy of the form and discovered Edward was indeed another son - from another wife: Amanda J. Orris. Edward was born Oct 19, 1892 in Johnstown, Cambria, PA. Shedrick lived in WV with his second wife, Roseanna, and children then moved to Stark Co., Ohio. Further research on Orris led me to an obituary post on an Amanda Hummel. It goes like this: ********* "GEISTOWN WOMAN CALLED BY DEATH Mrs. Samuel Hummel, 59, Dies at Windber; Funeral at Church Friday Special to The Tribune WINDBER, Aug. 21. - Mrs. Amanda HUMMEL, aged 59 years, widow of Samuel HUMMELL [sic], of Geistown, died about 4 o'clock this morning at the home of her sister, Mrs. Amos NOON, of Fourth street. Death was attributed to a complication of diseases. The deceased is survived by these children: Mrs. Lillian LISK, of Brady's Lake, O.; Mrs. Eva BLIZER, of Detroit, Mich.; Mrs. Annabelle DUNKHY, of Kokomo, Ind.; Percy HUMMEL, of Texas; and Edward HUMMEL, of Steubenville, O. She also leaves these brothers and sisters: George ORRIS, of Johnstown; Joseph ORRIS, of Rummel; Mrs. U. G. GRAMLING and Mrs. Amos NOON, both of Windber, and Mrs.Sarah BENNETT, of Johnstown. Funeral services will be held at 2 o'clock Friday afternoon in the local United Brethren Church, conducted by the Rev. J. C. Rupp, pastor. Burial will be in the Dunmire Cemetery, near Elton. Undertaker Eben H. Watts will have charge of the funeral. Johnstown Tribune August 21, 1929 Page 13" ************ ALSO FOUND: ************ "Funeral of Mrs. Hummel. WINDBER, Aug. 22. - Funeral services for Mrs. Amanda HUMMEL, aged 59 years, formerly of Geistown,who died yesterday morning at the home of her brother-in-law and sister, Mr. and Mrs. Amos NOON, of Fourth street, will be held at 2 o'clock tomorrow afternoon in the local United Brethren Church. The Rev. J. C. Rupp, pastor, will conduct the services. Burial will be in the Dunmire Cemetery, near Elton, in charge of Undertaker Eben H. Watts. Mrs. HUMMEL was married twice. She leaves five children of the first union: Mrs. Lillian LISK, of Brady's Lake, O.; Mrs. Eva BLIZER, of Detroit, Mich.; Mrs. Annabelle DUNKHY, of Kokomo, Ind.; Percy VANOSDALE, of Texas, and Edward VANOSDALE, of Steubenville, O. She also leaves several brothers and sisters. Johnstown Tribune August 22, 1929 Page 17" found: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Pa/CambriaObits/3136 ******* Obviously the first obit listed the last two children with the incorrect last name. Now my search is for the other children listed. I found a Percy VANOSDALE, however, I'm not sure of the match. Was Percy male or female? Edward moved to Ohio and lived close to his father. Where were the other children? Did they stay in there home of record at the time of their mother's passing or did they move away? If these names have meaning please email me! If not - Happy Hunting to all! Laura Gribben