Hi Bryce, If you look at one of the many texts that have examples of old style handwriting ca. 1750, you will find that the letter "H" looks amazingly like the modern "G", especially if the writer learned script in Europe. At 05:41 PM 6/29/01 -0400, you wrote: >Gulick and Hulick are the same, almost beyond doubt, and almost certainly >depending on who happened to write the name down. The "g" in Dutch is >pronounced gutturally, deep in the throat, almost what we might call a quick >throat-clearing. Gulick seems to be the older spelling, and Hulick the >English "best equivalent." If you are dealing with either of the surnames, >you should also explore the other spelling. > >Cordially, >Bryce Stevens > Ken Keller krk@ma.ultranet.com

Gulick and Hulick are the same, almost beyond doubt, and almost certainly depending on who happened to write the name down. The "g" in Dutch is pronounced gutturally, deep in the throat, almost what we might call a quick throat-clearing. Gulick seems to be the older spelling, and Hulick the English "best equivalent." If you are dealing with either of the surnames, you should also explore the other spelling. Cordially, Bryce Stevens : Hi, : : Are you sure of the marriage below? : I have Nieltie married to Isaac Bergen... : I also have her parents as Petrus Quick & Maria GULICK. : : Another Barb : : matt176@kellnet.com wrote: : : > Nieltie QUICK [bpt. Feb. 14, 1747] born to Peteris QUICK and Maria HULICK. Nieltie was married to Garret VAN ARSDALE.

Hi, Are you sure of the marriage below? I have Nieltie married to Isaac Bergen... I also have her parents as Petrus Quick & Maria GULICK. Another Barb matt176@kellnet.com wrote: > Nieltie QUICK [bpt. Feb. 14, 1747] born to Peteris QUICK and Maria HULICK. Nieltie was married to Garret VAN ARSDALE.

Thanks to Wilma's inquiry and Lee's reply, we feel our research is on the right track. Matthew, my husband, is descended from Ellen VAN ARSDALE and John AUGHINBAUGH, who settled in N. Manchester, IND after their marriage in Marion Co. OH, 1844. "The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey" of 1941 and 1945 pub. by The Gen. Soc. of N.J. shows the following births and baptisms of the Harlingen Reformed Dutch Church, Montgomery twp., Somerset Co., NJ: Nieltie QUICK [bpt. Feb. 14, 1747] born to Peteris QUICK and Maria HULICK. Nieltie was married to Garret VAN ARSDALE. They became the parents of Peter Quick VAN ARSDALEN, [b. July 3, 1799 and bpt. August 25, 1799]. He married Catherine POULESON of NJ, but we don't know her parentage. We would welcome any help to find Catherine's family and siblings. We have some family history of the AUGHINBAUGH family if anyone can use it. Barb.

You are descended from Minidred Van Ausdall and Nancy Van Ausdal, first cousins. As you can see, the two families picked slightly different spellings of the name. Minidred was the son of Cornelius Van Ausdall and Nancy was the daughter of Caleb Van Ausdal. Most of the children of these two brothers migrated out of the state of W. Va. (when it was still Va.) Each had 2 daughters who remained in the place where they were born. Minidred had at least 2 sisters and 3 brothers, Nancy had 3 brothers and 5 sisters. You are not related to the Littlepage family except for cousins unless one of Minidred and Nancy's children or grandchildren married one of them. Two of the Littlepages married two of Caleb's children. I am descended from one of those couples (Cornelius Caleb Van Ausdal and Frances Carter Littlepage) and Joyce Keck, who answered you, is descended from the other couple (Susannah Van Ausdal and James Beverly Littlepage). Cornelius Caleb was your Nancy's older brother and Susannah was one of her older sisters. I have recently gotten in touch with descendants of some of Minidred's oldest brother William, who located in Iowa. I would love to hear from you. My e-mail address is genyoung@att.net -Audrey

Peter A. Van Arsdale (1806-1887) m. 1825 Mercer Co. KY. Mariah Rinn Cunningham. Children, Abraham m. Diana Riker Harry m. Sarah Crawford Sarah m. Abraham Bohon Samuel C. M. Sara Campbell Guilford B. m. Mary Elizabeth Shumaker Henrietta m. James Turner Dorinda Martha Josiah

Peter Quick Van Arsdale (1799-1864) m. 1822 NJ. Catherine Powelson (1797-1886) both born NJ, died Waushara Co. WI. Sarah m. Chichester Theodore m. Walker Ellen m. Aughinbaugh Angeline m. Timann Anna m. Morgan Russell m. Kelly Rebecca m. Nicholson Garrett m. Maddux Henry m. Dildine Mary -

Dear List, Cindy Owens asked me to pass this along, as she is having problems sending to the list. I don't know whether she is receiving list mail, so it might be a good idea to write to her as well as to the list. ---- Bryce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Owens" <cindyo@va.prestige.net> Subject: Bucks co., PA will Abstract from FTM Bryce, Having MAJOR ISP problems, seems va.prestige.net is banned from rootsweb lists due to a spammer! So I'm in limbo for awhile. Could you post this to the appropriate lists for me? Thanks, Cindy Page 224. Simon VanArsdalen, of Southampton, Yeoman. September 29, 1766. Proved December 5, 1770. Sons John and Nicholas, exrs. Nicholas, Plantation. Son John, dau. Lamety Wycoff. Children of son Stophell, December'd. Margaret Krewsen, son Simon Junr. Jacobus and Nicholas. Dau. Lamety's late husband's exrs. Wit: Jacob Vansant, Daniel Hogeland, and Jos. Davenport. Signed Syme VanArdalen.

Barb, I briefly touched with Colleen a few years ago - it seemed we were of the same line. I haven't talked to her since and we didn't exchange anything. Sure, send me the notes - even if I don't know the answers right now, all the information I can gather will help some day, I'm sure. On some of these lines it just takes years and years of searching. The other night I found some information I'd looked for for about 10 years - not on the Sunderlands or Vans, but on my Serine families - some kind soul out in CA posted it - she had the Bible and everything. That's about the last place I expected to find it, because the line ended in Iowa. We had a librarian in Dayton connected with the Dayton and Montgomery Co. library who published information on the Sunderlands, that information taken from Peter Sunderland's Bible which once was owned by May Kemp. I guess May Kemp was also connected with the library. I traced May Kemp but my letter was returned as she was deceased. This was about 15 years ago. I've found no trace of the Bible since. The published information said that there were two Jennifer Sunderlands, one married Conrad Huffman, the other married Lucas VanAusdal, and they were cousins. I have the 1830 census, I think it is, and the curious thing is that there are children that could not have been of their marriage. However, they lived next to his brother Richard, and they could have been Richard's children, or they could have been children of some other relative - the way families took in children of other families, they could have been almost anyone's children. So, yes, please send me the notes, just so I'll have a reference of the direction everyone is going on this. Thanks, Barb. Sasha

Thanks, Barb - this is indeed confusing!!! And it totally discredits what little confirmed facts we have on these families. I'll have to study this for awhile and try to sort it out and get back to all. What list was this on? Sasha

Sasha, That was on the Sunderland family list, and although I'm not directly descended from them, my mystery unwed mother gggmother, was first married to a Sunderland. I can't find much on her and I joined that list hoping to learn more. If they are right, she was born a Knight, married a Sunderland, then a White, then had my gggf Orr out of wedlock. I know where and when she died and the names of most of her kids, but no real circumstances about her other than that. I feel lucky that I even know her name, because my gggf raised his son, not his mother. I have had some follow up notes on that first note, and Collen Loven person asked me to send forward them to her because she is the same line, too. Have you been in contact with her? I still have those follow up notes, if you want them forwarded to you. Barb

This came from another list, but since there are some Van's, various spelllings listed, I thought somebody might be interested in it, particularly Sasha. I am related to both families, but can't find the way to tie these into my history. Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 10:41 AM Subject: William Sunderland (1) and (2) of Montgo. Co. Ohio > Delmar, > Your information that your gg-grandfather was born in Auglaize is very > interesting. How good is it? I wonder how many different Sunderland > families moved up to Auglaize from Centreville? I am aware only of Peter > ("of Fort Amanda) and some of his children. If your Martin was born in > that county I think it strengthens the idea that he is descended from Peter. > How good is your evidence that Martin's parents were Wm and Jan Van > Ausdale? > Regarding the "two" Williams: > > **William (1) Steve Holloway sent me information that William the son of > Peter and Catherine Hollman was b. June 1793 died 2 Jan 1851 bur. Ft. > Amanda. I believe I saw his grave there, but can't find my notes from that > trip right now. There is a notation in the database that he maried an > Elizabeth (surname unknown) in 1810 - but no place listed. If born 1793 > this makes him 17 at marriage- pretty young in those days, but obviously > not impossible. > The children of Peter who were older than William were born in Pa or VA- > during the families slow trek westward- extremely doubtful that he was born > in New Jersey, though that is where Peter and Catherine were married. > Surely if William married Elizabeth in or around 1810 there should be > records in Ohio for that marriage. > There is no evidence of children of this union in my records. > > **William (2) > There is a marriage record in Centerville for William Sundeland and Jane > Van Ausdale, 1 Dec. 1814. My records have him born 12 June 1795 in Ohio > - with Delmar Burge as source of this information. Delmar's recent letter > has him b. in New Jersey - so there is a disrecepancy here. The program I > use has a way to note the source for birth information, but not separately > for birthdate and birthplace, and unless I do this separately I can lose > track of where I received different bits of information, unfortunately. > Death information: my database lists death "abt 11 Oct 185?" in Ohio > while Delmar's information is d 23 Jan 1871, no location. > > Jane's mother was a Mary Sunderland, b. Pa, parentage unknown to me. > though there is a notation that she may be dau. of a Josias Sunderland (and > Prout??). Not to much data on Jane: "b. abt 1793"- no location or death info. > Jane's brother Lucas Van Arsdale, married a Jennifer (Jenkey) > Sunderland, 14 Dec 1814 in Montgomery Co. Ohio ( a busy month for that > family!) This Jennifer apparently a dau. of Thomas S. of Fairfield Co. > Ohio, from a Maryland family (lineage of Matthew 1286) and Rebecca Ijams. > > I have listed only two children of the union of William (2) and Jane Van > Ausdale: > 1. Isabel Sunderland, b. about 1815 Ohio. Source for this information > unknown, but date/place plausible given documented marriage info. > > 2. Martin Sunderland, b. 5 Aril 1830 Auglaize Co. (Delmar's recent > letter), d. 17 May 1909 Bement, Piatt Co, ILL. (Delmar) This is > Delmar's ancestor. > Note the date of birth is unusual but not impossible - 16 years after the > marriage. Did William and Jane have other children in between that are not > recorded yet? > > > A Curious Confluence** > There is a curious confluence of three or four Sunderland families in > Montgomery County at this time: > a) The Peter/William clan, with brother Peter moving to Auglaize Co, and > many of brother William's children helping to found Centerville/Dayton > Ohio. Peter is father of William (1) > b)Mary, wife of Willem Van Arsdalen, and mother of Lucas and Jane Van > Arsdale. > c.Jennifer (Jenkey) S, dau. of Thomas S. and Rebecca Ijams, who marries > Lucas Van Arsdale > d. William (2), who marries Jane Van Arsdale. > > Note that my list has a Jennifer (Jenkey) S as sister to William (I). So > are there two Jennifers as well? Jennifer with Jenkey as a nickname seems > to be common enough in those days. Also, it is possible that more than one > person has looked at the marriage registers and ASSUMED that Jennifer and > William are brother and sister, and put them both in the same list, in two > different families! > > > > > > Delmar's question is: is William (2) really the same person as William (1). > In favor of this hypothesis: > A. Similar birth dates, though some discrepancies about actual year and > place of birth. IF William (2) WAS actually b. NJ, he cannot be son of > Peter (=William (1)) because the family was already in PA by 1793/1795. > Similarly, if the birthplace of W(2) was actually Ohio, he cannot be > because the family didn't reach eastern Ohio until around 1803. > > B. Similarity of brother/sister pair William and Jennifer(Jenkey). But > information about this pairing is suspect I think. > > Against the hypothesis: > 1. Actualy disrepancies in d.o.b.- but this is not very strong negative > evidence. > 2. Report that W(1) was married to an Elizabeth in 1810. But this > information is weak and it is of course possible that Elizabeth died and > W(1) remarried. > 3. The documented marriage of Jane's brother Lucas to a Jennifer > Sunderland, apparently from another family, within two weeks. This could > be a coincidence but also seems plausible that Wm (II) was a > brother/cousin? of this Jennifer, and therefore part of the Thomas > S/Rebecca Ijams family. But there is no other evidence that this is the > case, so this argument is purely conjectural. > > Summary: > There seems likely or firmly evident that > 1) William (1) was born ca. 1793 probably western PA and is buried in Ft. > Amanda Auglaize Co. 2 Jan 1851 (can someone confirm the death date?). > Surely the child of Peter and Catherine Colman. > > 2. William (2) married Jane Van Ausdale 1814. This is documented in the > court records. > > 3. Jane's brother Lucas married a Jennifer (Jenkey) Sunderland also in 1814. > ====== > What we need are independent corroborations of other relationships with > some kind of documents (Bible's, etc). I'm worried that by know much of > this information that is passed around is based on someone's grandmother's > notes (such as much of my own information) that, I have discovered, can be > subject to error! > > > > Note that there is a Jennifer (Jenkey) Sunderland who married a Conrad > Huffman in 1808 in Montgo. County. She was daughter of William, Peter's > brother and uncle of William (I), therefore cousin of William (1). I have > no record of children of Conrad Huffman and this Jenkey; perhaps he died > and she remarried to Lucas? Total Conjecture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:45 PM 6/13/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >I do not know if I am a descendant of Daniel Sunderland of RI. > > > >I am trying to prove that I am a descendant of William Sunderland > >b. 12 Jun 1795 in New Jersey. d 23 Jan 1871 Br. in FT. Amanda, > >Auglaize, Ohio; married Jane Van Ausdal 1 Dec 1814. > > > >They had my GGgrandfather, Martin Sunderland, b.5 Apr 1830, > >Oglaye or Auglaize Co., Ohio; d. 17 May 1909, Bement, Piatt > >Co., Illinois. > > > >Can anyone help me prove my Descendant ??????? > >DLB in Michigan > > > >john rodgers wrote: > > > >> >>>> > >> > >> Reply-To: > >> From: "Carl Flegal" > >> To: > >> Subject: Descendants of Daniel Sunderland of RI > >> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 18:54:36 -0700 > >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) > >> Importance: Normal > >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > >> > >> This genealogy contains the Case family that I have been searching > for nearly 20 years. I am very interested in corresponding with the person > (s) most familiar with John Case (15) and his son Nathan Chase. I would > like the source citations for this family. > >> > >> <<<< > > > > > > > John R. Rodgers, Ph.D. > Department of Immunology > Baylor College of Medicine > Houston, Tx 77030 > jrodgers@bcm.tmc.edu > 713-798-3903 > fax:713-798-3700

Posted on: VanArsdale Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/VanArsdale/10098 Surname: Van Ausdall, Turner, Doan ------------------------- I am looking into the connection with Cornelia Maria Van Ausdoll. b.4/19/1848 in Butler county, Ohiod. d. 3/2/1930. She spent some time at the family place in Greene County, MO. She taught some school in Ohio. Her parents were Silas and Rebecca Turner Van Ausdall. William Doan was her last spouse, he died 1897. She had two daughters, Belle Rosson and Dora Baldwin in Hamilton. Two sons Ed S. Doan of Delware, Indiana, Charlie Doan of Milan, Indianna, two sister- Amanda Gentry, Hamilton, and Charity Tinger from Bath, Indianna. She is buried at the Greenwood Cemetery. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Lisa

Can anyone confirm or dispute the link to Humphrey Bogart via Teunis Gysberts Bogaert? (See url below) I thought it was very interesting! I have a few questions however: 1. Who were the parents of Marritje Bergen? There are many choices! 2. Who were the parents of Ann Stryker? 3. lastly who were the parents of Metje Brokaw? http://members.home.com/apr1jan/bogart.html ***** Cindy

Judy, Here is the 1810 census info for David & Simon in Warrington Township, York County, PA, National Archives 252, roll 57. David Vanasdal (HOH), line 25, page 1081 Three white males under 10, 1 white male 10 thru 15, one white male 26 thru 44, one white female under 10, one white female 10 thru 15 and one white female 26 thru 44 Simon Vanasdal (HOH), line 49, page 1082 One white male under 10, one white male 16 thru 25 and one white female 16 thru 25 I'm not convinced this Simon is the one you are seeking. If Simon, son of Simon and Neeltje, was baptised in 1778, he would have been about 32 years old in 1810. The Simon from this census is listed as between 16 and 25, leading me to think they might not be the same person. Seems like an awfully large discrepancy in ages. Perhaps the census taker simply marked the wrong box. Here also is information from the 1800 census. It lists Clement, Isaac and David in Warrington Township, York County, PA, National Archives M32, roll 44. Clement Vanasdale (HOH), line 18, page 209 One white male 16 thru 25, one white female 16 thru 25 and one white female 45 and over Isaac Vanansdaln (HOH), line 10, page 210 One white male under 10, one white male 26 thru 44, one white female under 10 and one white female 26 thru 44 David Vanansdaln (HOH), line 33 page 210 Two white males under 10, one white male 10 thru 15, one white male 26 thru 44, three white females under 10 and one white female 26 thru 44 The Jacob mentioned as administrator of David's estate may have been the Jacob W., son of Isaac Van and Elizabeth Arnold, you mention. Jacob and his wife Sophia Martz had a farm in Silver Spring Township, Cumberland County, PA, which is not too far from Franklin Township, York County. You mention in another note, however that it appears David remained single. I don't think that's the case. I think it more likely David died without a will and the administrator's notice wouldn't necessarily mention heirs, only the administrator. As listed above, it appears from both the 1800 and 1810 census that he was married and had a family. I've got information that he died June 21, 1837 at the age of 61 years, 11 months and is buried with his wife Eva in Chestnut Grove Burial Ground (possibly also known as Zeigler's Burial Ground) in Lattimore Township, Adams County. I haven't had a chance to confirm this however. If we're to believe the census data, it appears he had at least 4 sons. My guess is the Jacob mentioned as the adminstrator of David's estate is a son. That's a guess, nothing more. Somewhere along the way I picked up the names Peter Pietersen and Eliza ? as parents of Neeltje and Hannah, but I don't have a source for where I got that information. I descend from Johannis Van and Neeltje Pietersen through Isaac and his second with, Margaret Steel. My line runs like this: Charles William Vanasdalan, Jr., Charles William Vanasdalan (Ruth Margaret Koontz), Harold Everett Vanasdalan (Eliza Gardner Osborne), George Harper Vanasdalan (Susan Elizabeth Spidle), William Harper Vanasdlen (Anna M. Jones), William Vanasdlen (Annie Elizabeth Hutchinson Neron), Isaac Vanasdlen (Margaret Steel), Johannis Van Arsdalen (Neeltje Pietersen). My mother (Ruth) recently sent you descendant data she and I have collected on Isaac Van's family. I hope this information is helpful. Chuck V. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/14/2001 at 12:07 PM Jamescassidy22@cs.com wrote: >Would you be willing to share with the information given for both David and >Simon in the 1810 census. That would be extremely helpful. > >There is an administration for David in York County. Unfortunately the >County Clerk that sent me the copy did not include the Book this was taken >from. I find this happening more often than not these days. > >The administration was from the November 7th, 1837 Circuit Court - pg 533- >York Co. PA > >Vandal, Jacob Vanasdale, Administrator of the Estate of David Vanasdall, late >of Franklin Township, Deceased, by attorney appeared in Court and produced >his Administration account of the Estate of said deceased, duly settled and >p-assed before the Register of York County where by there appears to be a >balance due the said accountant of sixty-six dollars and fifteen and a half >cents, which account the court do here by confirm. > >While I cannot say for certain, it is possible that Jacob Vanasdale, was the >son of Isaac and Elsabetha Margareta born in 1803. > >Yes, this is the Isaac who was married to Margretha Elizabeth Arnold. > >Do you have any idea at all, who the parents of Neeltje Pieterson and Hannah >Pieterson were? Also do you descend from one of these families? Any >additional information that you might have would be extremely helpful > >With appreciation > >Judy > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== >The Van Arsdale Mailing List can be searched by anyone interested in doing so: ><http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=VanArsdale-L> >An alternate means of searching the Mailing lists can be found at: ><http://searches.rootsweb.com/roots-l.html> >A third place to search the Mailing Lists for Van Arsdale information is: ><http://archiver.rootsweb.com/> a Threaded Archive - you will need to Sign-up for access (free) >If you have already Signed-up, you can go directly to ><http://archiver.rootsweb.com/VANARSDALE-L/> >ROOTSWEB's interactive search engine for Mailing Lists ><http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> >Please DO use ALL of these search engines, as they will each have different results for you.

Chuck requested that I clearify this. >From John Mahey - MAHEY@aol.com - a descendant of Peter Arnold Will of Peter Arnold: York Co PA Will Book I & J, pp 142-144. died 2 Feb. 1793, Probated March 6, 1775. Abstract: Andrew Ruse and Elhue Underwood Ex. Warrington Twp. Wife: Margaret Arnold: Children: John, Peter, Catharine, Margaret, Nicholas, ELIZABETH, George, Detter and Christiana. (I confimed this at the PA State Archives in Harrisburg, PA) York County Orphans Court Records, Book H, pg 200, Estate Settlement 1801. Elizabeth is identified as the wife of Isaac Vanarsdale in a document dated 9 March 1799, York Co PA in which she and Isaac receive their share of Peter Arnolds farm. 110 lbs. In 1801 Peter Arnolds plantation in Warrington Twp, York Co, PA was sold. I have the origional copies of these papers sent to me by Mr. Mahey. Isaac Vanasdal appears in the census of 4 Aug. 1800 at Warrington Twp, York Co PA, again Census of 6 Aug. 1810, Warrington Twp, York Co PA and then in 1820, 7 Aug. he is living at North Middleton Twp, Cumberland Co PA eventually dying 18 Jan. 1839 at Dickinson Twp, Cumberland Co PA- (Mrs. Ruth Vanasdal, Mt. Holly Spgs, PA. Based on this information, and knowing that Johannes and Neeltje had sons Isaac and David, and Neeltje and Simon had son Simon, I feel that the three men, David, Isaac and Simon who appear in the census of 1810, Warrington Twp, York Co PA are in deed the sons of Neeltje Pieterson Vanasdal. But again, I am still looking for descendants of both men. It appears that David remained single, as no one was listed in his administration, but what about Simon? Thanks Judy

You are correct, Simon was the son of Neeltje Pieterson and her second husband Simon Van Arsdal and I have made that correction. (It was the end of the day.) Neeltje's first husband was Johannes Van Arsdale who died in 1772. Simon died in 1783, and Neeltje appeared alone baptizing her son. In the Index to the Pennsylvania Census for 1810, pg. 287. the listing reads: Vanasdal, David York 183 Warrington Twp Vanasdal, Isaac York 184 Warrington Twp Vanasdal, Simon York 184 Warrington Twp This is what lead me to believe that they were living together. Isaac and Simon appeared to be living next to brother David. It is more than possible that the index is incorrect, and since you have given me the actual information taken from the census, itself, this would appear to be the case. I appreciate your sharing this information with me. Would you be willing to share with the information given for both David and Simon in the 1810 census. That would be extremely helpful. There is an administration for David in York County. Unfortunately the County Clerk that sent me the copy did not include the Book this was taken from. I find this happening more often than not these days. The administration was from the November 7th, 1837 Circuit Court - pg 533- York Co. PA Vandal, Jacob Vanasdale, Administrator of the Estate of David Vanasdall, late of Franklin Township, Deceased, by attorney appeared in Court and produced his Administration account of the Estate of said deceased, duly settled and p-assed before the Register of York County where by there appears to be a balance due the said accountant of sixty-six dollars and fifteen and a half cents, which account the court do here by confirm. While I cannot say for certain, it is possible that Jacob Vanasdale, was the son of Isaac and Elsabetha Margareta born in 1803. Yes, this is the Isaac who was married to Margretha Elizabeth Arnold. Do you have any idea at all, who the parents of Neeltje Pieterson and Hannah Pieterson were? Also do you descend from one of these families? Any additional information that you might have would be extremely helpful With appreciation Judy

Judy, I'm a bit confused. Your subject line indicates Simon is the son of Johannes and Neeltje, but the text of your note shows Simon is the son of Simon and Neeltje. You don't indicate the source for your 1783 birth date or indicate when Neeltje had him baptized at Conewago. The information I have tells me that "Simon Van Arsdal" and "Nellie Petersen" had a son, Simon, baptized at Conewago on July 5, 1778. This information is from the Dutch Reformed Church of Conewago records in a book titled "Adams County Church Records of the 18th Century" by F. Edward Wright, published by Willow Bend Books of Westminster, Maryland and available from them for $24.00. Their web address is www.willowbendbooks.com What are the numbers 183 and 184 that follow the names in your original note? What leads you to believe Simon was living with his brother (or should it be half-brother?) at the time of the 1810 census? The 1810 census for Warrington Township, York County, Pennsylvania shows three Vanasdal families. David, on line 25, page 1081, Simon on line 49, page 1082 and Isaac on line 30, page 1083. Isaac's family lists one white male under 10, one white male 10 thru 15, one white male 26 thru 44, two white females under 10, one white female 10 thru 15 and one white female 26 thru 44. I don't see anything that would cause me to believe Simon is living with Isaac, unless there is another Isaac family that I'm not aware of. Your original note also seems to indicate that the census information tells you Isaac was living with his wife Elizabeth Arnold. While I agree Margretha Elisabeth Arnold was Isaac's wife, I can't state that definitively based on the census data, as the census in 1810 only provides the name of the head of the household. Perhaps you can clarify this for us. Chuck V. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 6/11/2001 at 4:30 PM Jamescassidy22@cs.com wrote: >Simon Van Arsdal was born ca. 1783, the son of Simon and Neeltje (Eleanor) >Pieterson. He was baptised by his widowed mother at Conowgo Dutch Reformed >Church. He appears in the United States Federal Census 1810, living in >Warrington Twp, York Co PA living with his brother Isaac who was married to >Elizabeth Arnold. > >Vanasdal, David 183 >Vanasdal, Isaac 184 >Vanassdal, Simon 184 > >I am looking for his descendants, if he has any. > >thankyou > >Judy > > >==== VanArsdale Mailing List ==== >We can NOT attach files to our mailing list e-mail. >Anyone wanting to share a copy of an original document may send that copy to <brianter@macatawa.org> >for the "Documents" page <http://www.macatawa.org/~brianter/vanarsdaledocuments.htm>.

Simon Van Arsdal was born ca. 1783, the son of Simon and Neeltje (Eleanor) Pieterson. He was baptised by his widowed mother at Conowgo Dutch Reformed Church. He appears in the United States Federal Census 1810, living in Warrington Twp, York Co PA living with his brother Isaac who was married to Elizabeth Arnold. Vanasdal, David 183 Vanasdal, Isaac 184 Vanassdal, Simon 184 I am looking for his descendants, if he has any. thankyou Judy

Thankyou for responding, I am going to get my papers together and get back to you this afternoon, meantime if possible would you send me the names of their children in the order of their birth? Perhaps I can tell more when I see that list Judy