This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Barger; Barriers; Berger Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/994 Message Board Post: After reading various accounts of the Draper’s Meadow Massacre, there has been some confusion in some people’s mind as to “who” of the Bargers/Barrier family was killed at Draper’s Meadow. (I think it is pretty well accepted today that Barger/Barrier/Berger are all the same family, just a different spelling.) Alvan Lyell Barger, editor of The Barger Journal, A Publication Devoted to the Genealogy and History of the Bargers and Allied Kindred, 1921,states in his book that it was “Philip” who was killed in 1755. Lewis Preston Summers, in his History of Southwest Virginia, 1746-1786, states it was “Casper Barrier” (Barger) who was killed. Page 59 recorded July 30, 1755 as the date of the massacre, listing Colonel James Patton, Caspar Barrier, Mrs. Draper and one child as losing their lives, but omitted Philip Barger's name. From "Mary Ingles' Escape Story Like 'Thriller' Fiction Tale", published by the Charleston Daily Mail June 4, 1937: it states that Colonel Patton, Mrs. George Draper, Jasper Barrier and a child of John Draper were killed. But, it then goes on to state: “About a half a mile or a mile to the west, on their route, they stopped at the house of Philip Barger, an old man, cut off his head, put it in a bag and took it with them to the house of Philip Lybrook, on Sinking Creek . . .” From "An Extraordinary Woman, And Equal To Any Emergency” Mary Draper Ingles' Return To Virginia's New River Valley, By Joan Vannorsdall Schroeder, it states that “They left behind four dead -- Colonel James Patton (who fought valiantly with his ever-present broadsword), Mrs. George Draper (Mary's widowed mother), Casper Barger (an elderly widower whose head was carried away in a cloth bag and gruesomely displayed at the next settlement) . . .” Harold J. Dudley, editor of Trans-Allegheny Pioneers, Historical Sketches of the First White Settlements West of the Alleghenies 1748 and After, by John P. Hale, attempts to cite a bibliography for the Draper's Meadows massacre. He cites a letter written by Mrs. Letitia Preson, the tenth child of Col. William Preston's twelve children, Feb 22, 1843, documenting Colonel James Patton's death. Mr. Dudley wrote: “All the settlers from South Holston to South Roanoke left the country and went below Blue Ridge. Col. Patton maintained his ground, as did Col. William Ingles, Phillip Barger and Phillip Lybrook on Sinking Creek. On the 8th of July, 1755, it being Sunday, a party of Indians came up the Kanawha thence to Sinking Creek thence to Strouble Creek. Ingles and Draper, brothers-in-law, were living at Solitude, the present residence of Col. Robert P. Preston, Barger half a mile nearer to the mountains. The Indians came to Barger's, cut his head off, put it in a ba! g, (Barger was a very old man).” (Note: Here there is no mention of Casper/Gasper.) Lewis Preston Summers, in his History of Southwest Virginia, 1746-1786, described the above Indian activity (misspellings maintained): "The New river settlers were not permitted to escape the ravages of the Indians and the French, for on the 8th day of July, 1755, the day before Braddock's defeat, a considerable party of Shawnese Indians fell upon this settlement and wiped it out of existence. Colonel James Patton, Casper Barrier, Mrs. George Draper and a child of John Draper were killed. (Note: Here there is no mention of Philip Barger.) From an article "Mary Ingles' Escape Story Like 'Thriller' Fiction Tale", Charleston Daily Mail, June 4, 1937, it states , “a party of Shawnees from Ohio fell upon the Draper's Meadow settlement and killed, wounded or captured every person there. Colonel Patton, Mrs. George Draper, Jasper Barrier and a child of John Draper were killed.” It then goes on to state: “About a half a mile or a mile to the west, on their route, they stopped at the house of Philip Barger, an old man, cut off his head, put it in a bag and took it with them to the house of Philip Lybrook, on Sinking Creek”. Another article states that: “Of the 20 pioneer in this cutting-edge settlement, five were killed: Eleanor Draper (mother of Mary Draper Ingles and John Draper); John and Bettie Draper’s infant son; Col. Preston (owner of the Draper’s Meadow land grant); and neighbors Casper Barrier and Philip Barger. Neighbor John Cull was severely wounded.” From The Roanoke Times, Sunday, May 01, 2005 issue: Drapers Meadow By Kevin Kittredge, 981-3323 Few traces remain of the site of a bloody 1755 Indian attack. The known dead, as tallied in "Trans-Allegheny Pioneers," were Patton, Mrs. George Draper, Casper Barrier and the Draper baby. Bettie Draper and James Cull were wounded. Bettie Draper, Henry Lenard, Mary Draper Ingles and Ingles' two sons were taken captive. One of them, Thomas Ingles, lived among the Indians for many years and afterward never completely gave up Indian ways. From: “GETTING TO KNOW OUR ANCESTORS - Thompson Family Sketches” All the settlers from South Holston to South Roanoke left the country and went below Blue Ridge. Col Patton maintained his ground, as did Col. William Ingles, Phillip Barger and Phillip Lybrook on Sinking Creek, thence to Stouble Creek..[more]... From: A History of The MiddleNew River Settlements and Contiguous Territory. By David E. Johnston (1906). CHAPTER II. 1753 - 1766 (Part 1) Exploring the Mississippi Valley--French and Indian War--Washington on the Ohio--Virginia Raises Troops--Colonel Fry Sick and Command Devolves on Washington--Fort Necessity--General Braddock Defeated on the Monongahela--Depredations on the Virginia Border--Destruction of Drapers Meadows Settlers--Mrs. Ingles a Prisoner--Phillip Barger Killed— But then: “. . . a band of marauding Shawnees from North of the Ohio, who killed, wounded and captured every person present. The killed were Colonel James Patton, Mrs. George Draper, Casper Barrier, and a child of John Draper, James Cull; wounded, Mrs. William Ingles, Mrs. John Draper and Henry Leonard, captured. After putting their plunder and the women and children on horses, they set fire to the buildings, and with their prisoners began their retreat to the Ohio, passing on their way, and not far from the scene of the tragedy, the house of Philip Barger, an old white haired man, whose head they cut off, put in a bag, and took it with them to the house of Philip Lybrook at the mouth of Sinking Creek,and where they left it, telling Mrs. Lybrook to look in the bag and she would find an acquaintance.” (Note: Here both are mentioned!) The question remains: Was there one or two Barger/Barriers killed during the “massacre”? Was there both a Philp Barger/Barrier and a Casper/Kasper Barger/Barrier killed during the Draper’s Meadow Massacre? We do know that Philip Barger/Barrier (Jr.) returned to that area and lived there later in life. The Barger Journal says that he escaped the massacre and went back North for a few years but then returned and he and his family lived in the area of Drapers Meadow on the Barger homestead, (which I understand is now part of Virginia Tech University). A good question is, who’s son was he - Philip’s, or Casper’s? It has been assumed that as a “Jr.” he was Philip’s son, but thereference to Philip (Sr.) being “an old white haired man” makes one wonder if that is indeed true, as Philip Jr. was suppose to have been about 14 at that time. Any additional/new information regarding this question will be greatly appreciated!! Michael E. Barger mebarger@dc.rr.com

I am looking for any and all info on Elizabeth Anne Thomason--maybe Thompson!!!! She was born about 1827 in Va. She was married to a George Hamrick in Montgomery Cty, Va 10/24/1843--she would have been my GGGGrandmother. I have been at a deadlock on her for a veryyyyyyyyyy long time. Please help if you can and as always glad to share anything I may have....thank you Bobby-n-Florida

MARK YOUR CALENDARS- The Bedford Genealogical Society will be hosting it's second annual Genealogy Fair in Bedford, Virginia- Saturday September 9, 2006. The Fair last year was a huge success and we have moved it to the Central Virginia Community College in Bedford. Anyone may reserve a table to show their family data and sell genealogy related items. Ask for fee on Table reservation. If you do not want to reserve a table, you may attend (no admission charge) and visit the families that are there and try to make connections. More details are at our web site: WWW.BGSOCIETY.ORG Or email- bedfordgensociety@hotmail.com Thanks for your help Doug Cooper President- Bedford Genealogical Society 4115 Crab Orchard Rd Huddleston, VA 24104 Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com Founder and President of Botetourt Genealogy Club http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~renaworthen/ WHO, WHEN, and WHERE are the three essential ingredients for successful genealogical research! Genealogy without documentation is MYTHOLOGY

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: mcGuire, Dalton Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/993 Message Board Post: I am looking for the family of Sandy and Jennie Dalton McGuire who were in Montgomery County in the 1900 census.We need the parents of Sandy, and his siblings, if any.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/992 Message Board Post: Does anyone know where Little Hope Cemetery is in Elliston?? I am looking for the cemetery where Laura P. Blankenship is buried. She died in 1974. The funeral home told me the family cmemetery but a family memeber told me Little Hope Cemetery. Her sons name is Gray Carrico who was responsible for the funeral so he may be buried nearby?? Judy in Wythe Co.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/991 Message Board Post: I'am looking for any info on these children, they are the children of Joseph and Elizabeth Auls Hawley of Montgomery County , Virginia. May Rachel married Isaac Simons Minnie L Hawley was born Ovt 1892;Nelie Susan was born Mar 1896;John was born Feb 1886;Bertha Jane Feb 1900;Margaret 1907; and Diana was born 1903. Any help on this family will be appreciated. Lova

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for the marriage record of Ulysses Kilmer. It would seem that he didn't marry in either Montgomery Co. or Mercer Co. But I was given new information on several other family marriages in Mercer Co. Thanks again to all the very kind people who offered information and ideas. Karen Lee Williamsburg,VA

Hey Karen, I'm going to Roanoke at the end of this month and I'll try to see what I can find out. Happy Hunting doc ----- Original Message ----- From: <VAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <VAMONTGO-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: VAMONTGO-D Digest V06 #72

Hello everyone. Could someone please look-up a marriage for me? I don't know if this couple was married in Montgomery Co.,VA or Mercer Co.,WV, so I am going to ask both newsletter readers for help. My grandmother's brother, Ulysses Kilmer married between 1893 and 1897. His wife's name was Lucy, but I don't know her last name. He grew up in the Price's Fork area and may have married near-by. Lucy was also born in VA. His father, George Kilmer, was in Mercer Co. WV by 1900, but I haven't been able to locate Ulysses on the 1900 or 1910 census. Thanks for helping me fill the gaps in my family tree. Karen Lee Williamsburg,VA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HOWTON, TROVER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/990 Message Board Post: Looking for a copy of the marriage record for JONATHAN HOWTON & ANN E. TROVER for 1787. Thanks Jan :)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Jewell, Smith, Estes, Plaster Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/989 Message Board Post: MY GGMOTHER, MARGARET ELLEN JEWELL MARRIED RANSEY SMITH. THEIR CHILDREN INCLUDED MARY LUVENIA SMITH, JOHN SMITH, AND OTHERS. MARY L. SMITH MARRIED FRANK ESTES WITH CHILDREN BEING ELSIE ESTES, BRUCE ESTES, AND MORE. FRANK ESTES DIED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1910 AND 1920. MARY LUVENIA SMITH ESTES THEN MARRIED WILLIE HEBER PLASTER. ALL THREE MEN WERE MINERS AT SOME TIME DURING THEIR LIFE SPAN. LOCALITIES, MCDOWELL CO. WV, EASTERN TN, WELCH, PANTHER, MONTGOMERY CO., VA., TAZWELL, VA., AND PATRICK SPRINGS, VA. I KNOW THERE ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE SMITH FAMILY STILL IN WV, AND PERHAPS OTHER LOCALITIES AS WELL, JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE OR WHO THEY ARE. ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/988 Message Board Post: Need dates of death for Stephen and Francis Williams, last found on the 1880 Montgomrey County census. Born 1790 and 1794 respectively.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/987 Message Board Post: Need dates of death for Elisha Williams and his wife Marthaa and place of burial. Also need Martha's maiden name. Last found 1910 Montgomery County, 1900.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lane, Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/986 Message Board Post: Need dates of death and place of burial for James C. Lane and wife Elizabeth Williams Lane. Both died after 1910.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Branch, Lane Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/985 Message Board Post: Seek the place of burial of Jacob and Lucinda Elvira Lane Branch. He died 1918 and I do not know when she died (after 1930).

I seem to have a problem here with some information I have--I know some one will be able to straighten this out; Concerning Joseph Owen Light born August 31, 1856 and died January 31, 1927 and b uried in Cole Cemetery in Floyd County. That Cole Cemetery lists his wife as Sarah Amanda (Hale) Light born April 21, 1870 and died November 30, 1922--she is there also with two of their daughters who died young. Children I have for them Joe and Sarah number 10 1. Margie E. (1907-1907) 2. Sarah Edith--(1913-1916) 3. James Clyde (married Ocie Radford) 4. Mary S. (married Oscar Martin) 5. Walter J. (married Josie Pate) 6. Flora B. (married Clinton Owens and Robert Ziegler) 7. Josephine (married Hubert Lawrence) 8. Helen (married Gradon Cox) 9. Beatrice (married James Copley) 10. Clara (married Norris and Jackson) Now here is the problem I have with Joseph Owen Light-----I have a FIRST MARRIAGE for him with Sarah Amanda being the SECOND WIFE) I have him married to Louisa Frances AMOS born 1858 and died 1894 and this information came from Janice Smyth---and I have 10 children for Louisa and Joseph----- 1. Alonzo Leonard "Lon" born May 4, 1879 died August 10, 1960 (married Dora M. ?) 2. William Thomas 3. Grover A. 4. Robert 5. Walter 6. Female married Vent Austin 7. Female married Plain Dudley 8. Josephine (married Hubert Lawrence) this is obviously a duplication as Josephine can not have two mothers----- 9. Helen (married Gradon Cox) this is obviously a second duplication and Helen can not have two mothers either 10. Flora (married to Ziegler)--this too is obviously a duplication as Flora can not have two mothers either-------------- So now the question is was Joseph Owen Light married twice and if so which of the children belong to whom? Thanks Carlisle

Thanks to everyone for the help with the census look-up. I got the info I needed. Karen

Help Sent! ---------- At 05:19 PM 5/24/2006, you wrote: >Hello everyone. >Could someone with access to the Montgomery Co.1850 census please do a >look-up for me? On the Ancestry index, in District 41, there is a George >Tinkenangen I discovered it after I had returned home form >the library. He was >born in 1845.. Please let me know who he is living with and what page he is >on.. Thanks so much for your help. >Karen Lee >Williamsburg,VA > > >==== VAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to > VAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com containing ONLY the one word >unsubscribe. Leave the subject blank or use the word unsubscribe.

Hello everyone. Could someone with access to the Montgomery Co.1850 census please do a look-up for me? On the Ancestry index, in District 41, there is a George Tinkenangen I discovered it after I had returned home form the library. He was born in 1845.. Please let me know who he is living with and what page he is on.. Thanks so much for your help. Karen Lee Williamsburg,VA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/yAC.2ACE/977.1.1 Message Board Post: David, Thanks for the info on the Alice Wade. I have not run across that name in my research, not to say I couldn't have missed it somehow. I wonder if she might be William Wade's sister. Let me know if you find a link as I will you. Thanks again, Steve