Donna, below is what I have on a Joel ESTES. I have this one marrying Fannie BIBB rather than Elizabeth BIBB. Is this a different one but perhaps in the same family? Of course I am interested in the TALLEY connection but also the BIBBs as I descend from both families. I also have from another source that Joel ESTES who married Elizabeth BIBB died in 1871 in Louisa Co, VA. I am confused and I hope you can clarify some of this for me. Ruby Talley Smith _rubygem@aol.com_ (mailto:rubygem@aol.com) Joel ESTES. Joel married Fannie BIBB, daughter of Benjamin BIBB IV and Agnes TATE. Fannie was born 20 Jan 1800. They had the following children: + 2 F i. ESTES. Second Generation 2. ESTES (Joel). ESTES married John BROCKMAN. They had the following children: + 3 F i. Lillian B. BROCKMAN was born 1869. Third Generation 3. Lillian B. BROCKMAN "Lily" (ESTES, Joel) was born 1869. Lily married Cutler Linwood TALLEY Sr, son of Robert Cole TALLEY and Louisa F. TURNER, on 12 Jan 1897 in Louisa Co, VA. Cutler was born 1869. He died 21 Nov 1935. RESIDENCE: The home of Cutler Talley was 1.9 miles NE of Ellisville on Rt 651 in Louisa Co, VA. The town of Ellisville was once a thriving place, but has since moved across the river into Orange County and all the old buildings have disappeared. The home was raided by Federal troops during the Civil War. The property was previously owned by John Brockman and before that by Joel Estes. CENSUS: 1930 Louisa Co, VA They had the following children: 4 F i. Ida M. TALLEY was born 1897. 5 M ii. Cutler Linwood TALLEY Jr was born 13 Jan 1906. He died 6 Nov 1993 in Louisa, Louisa Co, VA. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.