Last year the county office of Mapping & Geographic Information produced a 4 color map showing the outlines of all original grants within the boundaries of Loudoun Co. Along with the map, there is a 10 page list of ownership records. It is organized basically in chronological order, with book:page, owner, year granted, acres, notes, and GIS acres. If you order this map from Loudoun County, ($10) be certain to ask for the copy with roads and rivers. The first edition did not have these, so is basically useless. The outlines were provided by Wynne Saffer. He asked the mapping staff to reproduce the plats as an overlay on a modern map. They did not do that. Just a few of the major roads are printed, and 3-4 streams, for orientation. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the Board's associates. ----- Original Message ----- From: <valoudou-request@rootsweb.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: VALOUDOU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 14 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA (Scott, Brenda) > 2. Francis/Johnston (Betty) > 3. Re: Francis/Johnston (Pat Duncan) > 4. Plotting 18th century Land Grants (J. A. Holifield) > 5. Re: Plotting 18th century Land Grants (Ron Davis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:02:12 -0500 > From: "Scott, Brenda" <Brenda.Scott@mncppc-mc.org> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <63175144B1563946A7CC1F9DED84413A01012AF3@mcp-mail.mncppc.lcl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Is this Thomas Beavers related to Polly Beavers who married a Smallwood? > > Thanks for any input. > > -----Original Message----- > From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gary W Watson > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:35 PM > To: valoudou-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA > > Does anyone have a complete transcript of his Thomas Beavers will dated > 1770 that they would be willing to share? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____________ > Never miss a thing. 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Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:29:37 -0500 > From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001f01c861ba$36509080$6500a8c0@BETTY> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Sorry, I meant for this to go to the list too. I find the Johnston's hard > to trace as you have to look at all the Johnson's also. If this helps > someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. > > Betty > > Tosca, > > Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my > information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in the > last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered > earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to > send it to you. > > Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west > of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land among > others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from > where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin > school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this > area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from > Loudoun County, VA. > > About the Johnston's: > > James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 > Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old Bethesda > Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: > > Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov > 1854(This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 > daughter > > John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further > record of this child. > > James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date for > his marriage or death. Their children: > Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' > > Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker > Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: > Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have > Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. > Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of > appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. > > Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 > James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct 1935 > m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. > > Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth > Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. > They had a son Leo. That's all I have. > > John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford Gale. > Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. > > Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 > > James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. > > Now about the Francis family: > > Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John > Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 > times removed. Thank you TMG. > > John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an earlier > email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. > > My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going to > bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. > > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tosca > To: betty ; P. Duncan > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis and my query re Stohr > > > Dear Betty, and Pat, > I worked diligently on my Enoch Francis data...and got so bleary-eyed I > needed to get away from it for a while. I'll try to review what I have > and send it to you. I quite possibly would like your file that you > offered in your first posting back to me, but will wait - you need to > enjoy your time in SC without worrying about me. And you probably have it > at home anyway. > And Pat, as ever, you are so helpful as well...I dont think Stoll would > be right - I've seen Stoehr, Staehr, Stair, etc...but maybe time will > tell. > In genie friendship... > Tosca > > ps: Re: Evergreen Mills, I had emailed that question hoping that Patti > woul learn something. She came right back to me and said I made a good > point, again said something about Evergreen Mills, but still didn't say it > was in Loudoun. She still didn't give any dates. > (There is also an Evergreen Mills in Oklahoma.) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > > > > Tosca, > > > > Evergreen Mills is in Loudoun County, VA, south of Leesburg. > > > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> > > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > > > > > > | Patti, > > | A time frame and the location of Evergreen Mills would help determine > if > > | your family came from VA. > > | Tosca > > | > > | ----- Original Message ----- > > | From: <PattiB9460@aol.com> > > | To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > > | Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:34 PM > > | Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > > | > > | > > | > My g-grandfather's second wife was Minnie Francis Johnston, of > Evergreen > > | > Mills. She was the daughter of James Johnston and Mariah (I > believe) > > | > Francis. > > | > I do not know much about this family. Did they come from > Virginia? > > | > Patti > > | > > > | > > > | > ************** > > | > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > | > > > | > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" > Roll > > | > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and > tell us > > | > something about your Brick Wall person. > > | > To contact Listowner: > > | > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > Search this list's archived messages! > > | > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > ------------------------------- > > | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > | > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > | > > > | > > | > > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > > something about your Brick Wall person. > > | To contact Listowner: > > | Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | Search this list's archived messages! > > | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | ------------------------------- > > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > > To contact Listowner: > > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Search this list's archived messages! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:43:30 -0700 > From: "Pat Duncan" <GenNutLdn@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV8FF3CAEDE416B32292945A0340@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If someone else is working on this Francis/Johnston line, I have > additional > information which I sent directly to Patti that I can share. That > information includes the item below from a soon to be published series on > The Times newspapers in Loudoun from the later 1800's. > > Thursday, 20 June 1901 Vol. XLVI, No. 2 > Marriage is announced of Miss Minnie Francis Johnston and Dr. James T. > Jones, to take place Thursday, June 13, at 922 New York Ave., Washington > DC. > Will make their home at Ashburn. > > Pat Duncan > GenNutLdn@msn.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:29 AM > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston > > >> Sorry, I meant for this to go to the list too. I find the Johnston's hard >> to trace as you have to look at all the Johnson's also. If this helps >> someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. >> >> Betty >> >> Tosca, >> >> Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my >> information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in the >> last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered >> earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to >> send it to you. >> >> Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west >> of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land among >> others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from >> where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin >> school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this >> area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from >> Loudoun County, VA. >> >> About the Johnston's: >> >> James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 >> Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old Bethesda >> Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: >> >> Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov 1854 >> (This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 >> daughter >> >> John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further >> record of this child. >> >> James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date >> for >> his marriage or death. Their children: >> Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' >> >> Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker >> Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: >> Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have >> Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. >> Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of >> appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. >> >> Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 >> James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct 1935 >> m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. >> >> Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth >> Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. >> They had a son Leo. That's all I have. >> >> John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford >> Gale. Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. >> >> Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 >> >> James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. >> >> Now about the Francis family: >> >> Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John >> Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 >> times removed. Thank you TMG. >> >> John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an earlier >> email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. >> >> My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going to >> bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. >> >> Betty > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:12:35 -0600 > From: "J. A. Holifield" <light_n_me@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants > To: "Loudoun Roots Web" <VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002801c861c8$987c1000$6401a8c0@jim> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > To all fellow researchers, > I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot > ancestor's land from the > descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please > correct me. > After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's > original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I > became interested if it was possible to plot the > boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original > land boundaries are > today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. > After studying a copy of > a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best > guesstimate of how > to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of > a property discription > and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my > findings on a record of a land > survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern > Virginia from 1741, > and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I > discovered that > when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically > from point (A) start at > a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; > you interpret first > the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by > calculating North (as > 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the > west direction on > the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and subtract > 37 degrees > since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the > numerical number for > North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you > come up with > 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property > boundary that runs from > point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from > point (A) in order to plot > it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in > length. You can research > how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to > calculate the distance > of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the > number of poles by > 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 > poles. 112 poles mul- > tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property > boundary line from point > (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of > 1,848 feet and simply > repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property > discription till you get back to > the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of > your ancestor's land > from the 18th century. > What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land based > on his discription and > it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my ancestor's > property from 1729 > and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was > recorded, it was > recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south > instead of north and is > way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). > So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time I > requested infor- > mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with > my computer and > didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I > appreciate who ever sent me > info when I requested it! > > Blessings, > James A. Holifield > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:33:56 -0800 > From: Ron Davis <i-d-c@alumni.calpoly.edu> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants > To: valoudou@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <479E1203.D23E6747@alumni.calpoly.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; > x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" > > James, > > Basically you are correct, and I too have found errors in the > descriptions. What you have to remember is that the old surveys were in > whole degrees and they are probably magnetic North rather > than true North. I do not remember exactly what my surveying instructor > taught as a way to "close" when the starting and ending points are off a > few feet or a few degrees so I fudge each a > little until they "close". I cheat and use my CAD program. Sometimes I am > able to match my drawing to an area on a satellite photo so that I can see > exactly where the property was. > > Ron Davis > Woodland, CA > > > > "J. A. Holifield" wrote: > >> To all fellow researchers, >> I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot >> ancestor's land from the >> descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please >> correct me. >> After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's >> original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I >> became interested if it was possible to plot the >> boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original >> land boundaries are >> today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. >> After studying a copy of >> a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best >> guesstimate of how >> to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of >> a property discription >> and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my >> findings on a record of a land >> survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern >> Virginia from 1741, >> and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I >> discovered that >> when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically >> from point (A) start at >> a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; >> you interpret first >> the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by >> calculating North (as >> 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the >> west direction on >> the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and >> subtract 37 degrees >> since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the >> numerical number for >> North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you >> come up with >> 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property >> boundary that runs from >> point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from >> point (A) in order to plot >> it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in >> length. You can research >> how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to >> calculate the distance >> of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the >> number of poles by >> 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 >> poles. 112 poles mul- >> tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property >> boundary line from point >> (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of >> 1,848 feet and simply >> repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property >> discription till you get back to >> the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of >> your ancestor's land >> from the 18th century. >> What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land >> based on his discription and >> it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my >> ancestor's property from 1729 >> and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was >> recorded, it was >> recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south >> instead of north and is >> way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). >> So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time >> I requested infor- >> mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with >> my computer and >> didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I >> appreciate who ever sent me >> info when I requested it! >> >> Blessings, >> James A. 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