Hi Betty, I need to go to bed as it is 11 pm already, but, do you happen to know the date of this: Loudoun Co Will Index: Francis, Enoch Inv- 2C 30; Acct 2A- 386 & 138, and Accts 2D 280 Accts 2C 317. I am sorry that I dont even know where I got that info! Possibly from my closest "fellow researcher" who made a list of all sorts of records at the Loudoun Courthouse for us. There have been many postings about Thomas Francis of Chester, PA b 1759 who married Mary Huey 1786, who happened to die in 1823. It is claimed by some of the researchers that he is the one who died abt Aug 31 1845. They had two daughters Mary Ann (Edward Wilson and at least 4 children-Edward Francis, Mary Ellen, Andrew J. and Sarah Virginia) and Elizabeth (John G. Myers, dau Elizabeth Frances b Upperville, Loudoun Co, VA 1823.) Al Fechlia's book "Francis History of Fauquier, Co, VA" speaks of Andrew Francis, of Maryland? and then Fauquier with sons Alexander (Millicent Ann Lovelace) went to MD, Margaret (the only female proven as she is buried next to or in plot of Broad Run Baptist Cemetery, New Baltimore, Fauquier Co, Va, belonging to Andrew Francis, Jr.), Thomas b abt 1765 (Mary ??, of Fauquier with a son William Enoch b abt 1782), Joseph (Sibella/Sabitha Holmes, of Fauquier), William, Patrick Henry (Sarah Cockrell and lots of children to WV), Henry (Rebecca) of Fauquier, and Andrew, Jr (Elizabeth Hume, many children, of Fauquier.) I have many references to E. and Enoch Francis in Fauquier Minute Books. One reference says E. Francis (Loudoun) I have only one Enoch Francis census record: 1820 VA LOUDOUN NO TWP LISTED Series: M33 Roll: 137 P 143 Francis, Enoch 1M -10 2M 10-16 1M 16-18 2M 16-26 1M 45+ 2F -10 1F 26-45 0 For'n 6 Agri Needless to say, I am thoroughly confused. Is it possible that Thomas Francis who was married to Mary Huey remarried Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co, 3 years after Mary's death? How do you know 1806 for his dates (1806-1845)? If he immigrated from Wales, that might lead us to William Enoch also being from Wales? I've got to go to bed - it is now 11:33. I would love to stay up most evenings working on these puzzles, but need my sleep too! Any insight you can give me will help. You are most gracious to have replied so quickly. Are you still in SC, where Pat Duncan said you were? If so, have a good time while you are there. Tosca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain > Tosca, > > I just realized, WEF also had a brother Thomas Francis (b.1806-1845) He > married Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co. His will is in Loudoun. I > have that he immigrated from Wales, but I do not have a date. > > Betty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> > To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 6:37 PM > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain > > > | Hi Betty, > | > | Could you please give me a short lesson? > | > | You have a (first cousin 4 times removed) William Enoch Francis married > to > Ann Dulin. > | Could you please let me know his dob and place, his parents names if you > know them, Ann's dob and her parents names? > | > | I think I have one b 1782 to Thomas and Mary, md to Ann Dulin > | and one b 1766 w/no parents md to Ann Dulin. > | > | Thank you so very much. > | Tosca > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > | To contact Listowner: > | Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | Search this list's archived messages! > | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good morning Tosca, Yes, I am still in SC until May 1, and almost all my books and research are in Maryland. Oh well. I want to include two things. First is the following memo from my notes: In notes from Aunt Nell, she states that Enoch Francis lived at Goose Creek Bridge, and built the covered bridge where the Dulins used to live. His son John kept the toll gate house. This memo is from my grandmother's sister. They all grew up in Loudoun and knew members of the Francis family. The second is a message I received from Marty this AM and my reply. I hope she doesn't mind my putting it up.: Dear Betty, It was late last night when you and Tosca were writing, but I think a gremlin crept in. Do you really think Wm E. Francis, born before 1778, had a "brother" Thomas born in 1806? Perhaps a half-brother, with a much younger mother, but even that is stretching it a bit. Maybe the first son Thomas, b. 1803, died and the second man with the same name, born 1806, was another son. If this second Thomas really was born in Wales, he is more likely a cousin of some variety, don't you think? Food for thought, Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the Board’s associates. Actually, both dates are 'say' dates, based on 20 years before their marriages. If the birth date for Thomas is correct, he was only 39 at the time of his death. Their is lots of room there for Thomas to be much older than a dob of 1806 would indicate. I don't have any idea where William Enoch Francis was born. He could also have been born in Wales. I do not have this well documented. Some is from my Aunt Nell's (grandmother's sister) notes, and some is from a Francis descendent. I did goof. Woke up thinking about it this morning. I think I indicated that Ann and Rebecca, wife of John Dulin did not go west. That should have read Ann Dulin married to Enoch Francis, and John Dulin married to Rebecca Elgin. Thanks for the thought provoking message. I think I will put this on the Loudoun list with both messages included. Betty I think it is quite possible for Leanna to be Thomas' second wife. I do not know anything that would make that impossible. I also do not know anything to prove that. ;-) I think I missed two sons of Enoch when I was writing last night, Edward married Ann Wildman, and Lewis married Elmira Norton. I do not have dob for them. BTW, Ann Dulin is my 3rd great grandaunt. I am trying to remember who sent me a lot of the Francis info. When it comes back to me I will let you know. He is not on line so he won't pipe up here. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain | Hi Betty, | I need to go to bed as it is 11 pm already, but, do you happen to know the | date of this: | Loudoun Co Will Index: Francis, Enoch Inv- 2C 30; Acct 2A- 386 & 138, | and Accts 2D 280 Accts 2C 317. | I am sorry that I dont even know where I got that info! Possibly from my | closest "fellow researcher" who made a list of all sorts of records at the | Loudoun Courthouse for us. | | There have been many postings about Thomas Francis of Chester, PA b 1759 who | married Mary Huey 1786, who happened to die in 1823. It is claimed by some | of the researchers that he is the one who died abt Aug 31 1845. They had | two daughters Mary Ann (Edward Wilson and at least 4 children-Edward | Francis, Mary Ellen, Andrew J. and Sarah Virginia) and Elizabeth (John G. | Myers, dau Elizabeth Frances b Upperville, Loudoun Co, VA 1823.) | | Al Fechlia's book "Francis History of Fauquier, Co, VA" speaks of Andrew | Francis, of Maryland? and then Fauquier with sons Alexander (Millicent Ann | Lovelace) went to MD, Margaret (the only female proven as she is buried next | to or in plot of Broad Run Baptist Cemetery, New Baltimore, Fauquier Co, Va, | belonging to Andrew Francis, Jr.), Thomas b abt 1765 (Mary ??, of Fauquier | with a son William Enoch b abt 1782), Joseph (Sibella/Sabitha Holmes, of | Fauquier), William, Patrick Henry (Sarah Cockrell and lots of children to | WV), Henry (Rebecca) of Fauquier, and Andrew, Jr (Elizabeth Hume, many | children, of Fauquier.) | | I have many references to E. and Enoch Francis in Fauquier Minute Books. | One reference says E. Francis (Loudoun) | I have only one Enoch Francis census record: | 1820 VA LOUDOUN NO TWP LISTED Series: M33 Roll: 137 P 143 | Francis, Enoch 1M -10 2M 10-16 1M 16-18 2M 16-26 1M 45+ 2F -10 1F | 26-45 0 For'n 6 Agri | | Needless to say, I am thoroughly confused. | | Is it possible that Thomas Francis who was married to Mary Huey remarried | Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co, 3 years after Mary's death? How do | you know 1806 for his dates (1806-1845)? If he immigrated from Wales, that | might lead us to William Enoch also being from Wales? | | I've got to go to bed - it is now 11:33. I would love to stay up most | evenings working on these puzzles, but need my sleep too! | | Any insight you can give me will help. You are most gracious to have | replied so quickly. Are you still in SC, where Pat Duncan said you were? | If so, have a good time while you are there. | | Tosca | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> | To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain | | | > Tosca, | > | > I just realized, WEF also had a brother Thomas Francis (b.1806-1845) He | > married Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co. His will is in Loudoun. I | > have that he immigrated from Wales, but I do not have a date. | > | > Betty | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> | > To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 6:37 PM | > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain | > | > | > | Hi Betty, | > | | > | Could you please give me a short lesson? | > | | > | You have a (first cousin 4 times removed) William Enoch Francis married | > to | > Ann Dulin. | > | Could you please let me know his dob and place, his parents names if you | > know them, Ann's dob and her parents names? | > | | > | I think I have one b 1782 to Thomas and Mary, md to Ann Dulin | > | and one b 1766 w/no parents md to Ann Dulin. | > | | > | Thank you so very much. | > | Tosca | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll | > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us | > something about your Brick Wall person. | > | To contact Listowner: | > | Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > | Search this list's archived messages! | > | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > | ------------------------------- | > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes | > in the subject and the body of the message | > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll | > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us | > something about your Brick Wall person. | > To contact Listowner: | > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > Search this list's archived messages! | > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. 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