After more than 10 years, I am changing my email address. Old address: sbeach@iquest.net New address: sdbeach22@gmail.com Those of you with whom I correspond, please change your address books. It was a hard choice to make since I have so many documents and queries on-line using my old address. By posting this message & having it appear in the archives, I hope that future researchers can still find me. Sue Beach searching for BRADEN, JENNERS, WRIGHT in Loudoun Co., VA, New Jersey, Indiana

Pat Duncan, Thank you for the great information about the Loudoun Co original grant map and ownership records. I just signed up for this mailing list and missed the earlier post from Marty Hiatt. I've already sent a letter ordering a copy of the map. I'd previously checked the Library of Virginia records and there's no trace of of my Dean ancestors in Loudoun Co in their records, although they are on the tax records for Loudoun Co for 1760 through 1786. If anyone has information about Samuel Dean and his son Samuel Jr, please contact me. They married into the Duncan and Russell families respectively, so I'm searching for information about both those family lines, too. Maybe I have a connection to your line, Pat. Samuel Dean Sr supposedly married Sarah Duncan, although I've found no trace of a marriage record. Kathy Jones-Kristof genealogyhelpandhints.com On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Pat Duncan wrote: > Here is information I received from the Loudoun County Office of > Mapping concerning the following map which Marty Hiatt informed this > mailing list about a few days ago. Marty posted: > > "Last year the county office of Mapping & Geographic Information > produced a 4 color map showing the outlines of all original grants > within the boundaries of Loudoun Co. Along with the map, there is a > 10 page list of ownership records. It is organized basically in > chronological order, with book:page, owner, year granted, acres, > notes, and GIS acres. If you order this map > from Loudoun County, ($10) be certain to ask for the copy with roads > and rivers." > > > Here is the ordering information I received from Walter Edmundson, > Loudoun County Office of Mapping (703-771-5778): > > Map is $10.00, with $5.00 for mailing in a protective tube. Cash or > Check for payment. > Check made to: Loudoun County > > Sent to: Loudoun County Office of Mapping > 1 Harrison St > Leesburg, VA 20175 > > > > You may also want to take a look at the Library of Virginia webpage > concerning Virginia Land office patents and grants/Northern Neck > Grants and Surveys. It includes a search feature for their online > documents. Go to: http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 > <http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30 > > > > Pat Duncan > GenNutLdn@msn.com<mailto:GenNutLdn@msn.com> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" > Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and > tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

forwarding from another list Pat Mount <pmount@nre.umass.edu> wrote: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:58:02 -0500 Check out the printable maps available at: http://nationalatlas.gov/printable/reference.html#list My thanks to Phyllis Phillips for the link! Pat Mount List Admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENTUCKIANA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Merry Christmas Julie Irvine, CA --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Here is information I received from the Loudoun County Office of Mapping concerning the following map which Marty Hiatt informed this mailing list about a few days ago. Marty posted: "Last year the county office of Mapping & Geographic Information produced a 4 color map showing the outlines of all original grants within the boundaries of Loudoun Co. Along with the map, there is a 10 page list of ownership records. It is organized basically in chronological order, with book:page, owner, year granted, acres, notes, and GIS acres. If you order this map from Loudoun County, ($10) be certain to ask for the copy with roads and rivers." Here is the ordering information I received from Walter Edmundson, Loudoun County Office of Mapping (703-771-5778): Map is $10.00, with $5.00 for mailing in a protective tube. Cash or Check for payment. Check made to: Loudoun County Sent to: Loudoun County Office of Mapping 1 Harrison St Leesburg, VA 20175 You may also want to take a look at the Library of Virginia webpage concerning Virginia Land office patents and grants/Northern Neck Grants and Surveys. It includes a search feature for their online documents. Go to: http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30<http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CLAS30> Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com<mailto:GenNutLdn@msn.com>

My pleasure! -----Original Message----- From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E&B Gordon Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:58 PM To: valoudou@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Trenary These are not the Trenary's I am connected to from Front Royal, VA. They could be cousins since the names are similar. Thanks for sending this and I appreciate your response. Happy Hunting, Estelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda J Scott" <bjs724@msn.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Downs > > Name: Arthur Trenary Home in 1930: Central, Rockingham, Virginia Age: > > 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909 Relation to Head of House: Son Father's > Name: Charles E Mother's Name: Martha R > Occupation:Education:Military service:Rent/home value:Age at first > marriage:Parents' birthplace: > > > > Name > Age > > Charles E Trenary > 50 > > Martha R Trenary > 47 > > Arthur Trenary > 21 > > Neweta Trenary > 19> > Hi Brenda:> > What more do you have on James Francis 3rd Trenary ?> > > My aunt Gladys Gordon married Arthur Trenary in Warren County.> > I am > researching GORDON's, do you have any connected through James Francis > > 3rd Trenary?> > Also, who were the parents of Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - > 1930? I have > GORDON's married Dove's from Clarke County.> > Thanks, > Estelle> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda J Scott" > <bjs724@msn.com>> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, January 21, > 2008 10:03 AM> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Downs> > > >> > I also have pictures of > tombstones on some of these folks> >> >> >> >> >> > Descendants of James > Downs> >> >> > 1 James Downs - 1835> > .. +Elizabeth McFarlin 1780 -> > . > 2 Capt. Noah Downs - 1880> > ..... +Mary Jane Haines 1825 -> > ..... 3 > Maurice Downs> > ..... 3 [28] daughter Downs 1856 -> > ..... 3 [29] Luda > Downs 1857 -> > . 2 [30] James W. Downs 1825 -> > ..... +[31] Mary A. E. > Thomas 1828 -> > ..... 3 [32] William H. Downs 1859! > -> > . 2 [1] Stephen D. Downs 1815 -> > ..... +[2] Mary Ann Ault 1816 -> > > ..... 3 [3] Mason Downs 1846 -> > ..... 3 [4] Charles Fenton Downs > 1846 - 1911> > ......... +[5] Anna Rebbecca Pierce 1841 - 1908> > ........ > 4 [6] Charles Edward Downs 1874 - 1934> > ............. +[7] Sarah > Virginia Baker> > ........ 4 [8] Florence V. Downs 1878 -> > ........ 4 > [9] William H. Downs 1882 - 1883> > ..... 3 [10] William Hamilton Henry > Downs 1850 - 1916> > ......... +[11] Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930> > > ........ 4 [12] Leonard Downs 1878 - 1954> > ............. +[13] Leah > Estelle Havenner 1880 - 1946> > ........ 4 [14] William Marion Downs > 1880 - 1965> > ............. +[15] Ruth Jenkins> > ........ 4 [16] Noah > Downs 1882 - 1896> > ........ 4 [17] Montgomery Downs 1877 - 1949> > > ........ 4 [18] Minnie Downs 1884 -> > ............. +[19] James Francis > 3rd Trenary> > ........ 4 [20] John Noland Downs 1886 -> > ........ 4 [21] > Henry Downs 1888 -> > ........ 4 [22] James Downs 1890 -> > ! > ........ 4 [23] Norris Franklin Downs 1892 -> > ........ 4 [24] Walter > Downs 1894 - 1997> > ..... 3 [25] James Downs 1852 -> > ..... 3 [26] John > H. Downs 1855 -> > ..... 3 [27] Stephens T. Downs 1857 -> > . 2 [33] > Mariah Downs 1825 -> > . 2 [34] Mary Ellen Downs 1827 -> > *2nd Wife of > James Downs:> > .. +Elizabeth McFarlin/McFarland 1780 - 1858> > . 2 [1] > Stephen D. Downs 1815 -> > ..... +[2] Mary Ann Ault 1816 -> > ..... 3 [3] > Mason Downs 1846 -> > ..... 3 [4] Charles Fenton Downs 1846 - 1911> > > ......... +[5] Anna Rebbecca Pierce 1841 - 1908> > ........ 4 [6] Charles > Edward Downs 1874 - 1934> > ............. +[7] Sarah Virginia Baker> > > ........ 4 [8] Florence V. Downs 1878 -> > ........ 4 [9] William H. Downs > 1882 - 1883> > ..... 3 [10] William Hamilton Henry Downs 1850 - 1916> > > ......... +[11] Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930> > ........ 4 [12] Leonard > Downs 1878 - 1954> > ............. +[13] Leah Estelle Havenner 1880 - > 1946> > ........ 4 [14] William Marion Downs 1880 - 1965> > ............. > +[15] Ruth Jenkins> > ........ 4 [16] Noah Down! > s 1882 - 1896> > ........ 4 [17] Montgomery Downs 1877 - 1949> > ........ > 4 [18] Minnie Downs 1884 -> > ............. +[19] James Francis 3rd > Trenary> > ........ 4 [20] John Noland Downs 1886 -> > ........ 4 [21] > Henry Downs 1888 -> > ........ 4 [22] James Downs 1890 -> > ........ 4 > [23] Norris Franklin Downs 1892 -> > ........ 4 [24] Walter Downs 1894 - > 1997> > ..... 3 [25] James Downs 1852 -> > ..... 3 [26] John H. Downs > 1855 -> > ..... 3 [27] Stephens T. Downs 1857 -> > . 2 Noah Downes 1819 - > 1880> > ..... +Mary Jane Haines> > ..... 3 Charles E. Downs 1849 -> > > ..... 3 Maurice W. Downs 1852 - 1922> > ......... +Mary Elizabeth Berry > 1856 - 1949> > ........ 4 Marion Thomas Downs> > ............. +Irene> > > ........ 4 Rubin Downs> > ........ 4 Bettie Leoma Downs> > ........ 4 > Clinton> > ........ 4 William Herbert Berry Downs 1878 - 1954> > > ............. +Rose Mae Case 1884 - 1937> > ........ 4 Austin Downs > 1894 -> > ........ 4 Blanche B. Downs 1894 - 1922> > ............. +M! > r. Blackmar> > ........ 4 Lula Downs 1896 - 1963> > ............. +Wal > ter Collier> > ........ *2nd Husband of Lula Downs:> > ............. > +Francis Campbell Kleindienst 1881 - 1950> > ........ 4 Hughston Elmore > Downs 1897 - 1979> > ........ 4 Gladys Olga Downs 1901 - 1993> > > ............. +Wilson Francis Pumphrey 1891 - 1965> > ........ 4 Arthur > 1907 -> > ........ 4 Oliver Downs 1909 -> > ........ 4 Edward Downs > 1877 -> > ........ 4 Fannie Downs 1878 -> > ..... 3 [28] daughter Downs > 1856 -> > ..... 3 [29] Luda Downs 1857 -> > . 2 [30] James W. Downs > 1825 -> > ..... +[31] Mary A. E. Thomas 1828 -> > ..... 3 [32] William H. > Downs 1859 -> > . 2 [33] Mariah Downs 1825 -> > . 2 [34] Mary Ellen Downs > 1827 -> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 > 01:22:56 -0500> > >> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Downs> > 1910 census> > Name: > William Downs > This is > >> all I could find with a quick look.> > > Janean> > Birthplace: Virginia > > >> State: VA > Age: 60 > Color: W > > Enu! > meration District: 0059 > Visit: 0228 > >> > County: Loudoun Broad Run> > Relation: Head of Household > Other > >> Residents: Relation Name Age > Birth Place > Wife Linnie 58 Virginia > Son > >> Montgomery 32 Virginia > > Son Henry 21 Virginia > Son Walter 15 Virginia > > >> > > -----Original > Message-----> From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> > [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com]> On Behalf Of Bea and Stan > >> > Rutherford> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:33 PM> To: > >> > VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com> Subject: [VALOUDOU] In need of a little help !> > > > >> Good Day to all,> Anyone out there - can you help me? Will you help > me?> > >> In search of information on William Downs that was born about > 1850....in> > >> Virginia.........as were his parents.........Willia,'s > spouse was listed > >> as> L!> > innie M. Downs....they married in > 1876....it was stated he lived in Broad> > > Run District - Loudoun , > Virginia.> Know any Downs family members ? > > Anything sound familier? > > Anyone know! > rather there are Marriage records > > online or, death records from> > this area online?> Anything would be of > > great help as well as greatly > appreciated.> Kindly> Bea> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The First > Sunday in each month will set aside > > for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call.> > Please always put the surname you seek in > > the subject and tell us > something> about your Brick Wall person.> To > > contact Listowner:> Rena > Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Search this list's > archived messages!> > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > > > the list, please send an email to> VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with > the > > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes> in the subject and the body > of the > > message> > > -- > No virus found in t!> > his incoming > message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516> > / Virus > Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008> 6:37 PM> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The First Sunday in ! > each month will set aside > > for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. 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These are not the Trenary's I am connected to from Front Royal, VA. They could be cousins since the names are similar. Thanks for sending this and I appreciate your response. Happy Hunting, Estelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda J Scott" <bjs724@msn.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Downs > > Name: Arthur Trenary Home in 1930: Central, Rockingham, Virginia Age: > > 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909 Relation to Head of House: Son Father's > Name: Charles E Mother's Name: Martha R > Occupation:Education:Military service:Rent/home value:Age at first > marriage:Parents' birthplace: > > > > Name > Age > > Charles E Trenary > 50 > > Martha R Trenary > 47 > > Arthur Trenary > 21 > > Neweta Trenary > 19> > Hi Brenda:> > What more do you have on James Francis 3rd Trenary ?> > > My aunt Gladys Gordon married Arthur Trenary in Warren County.> > I am > researching GORDON's, do you have any connected through James Francis > > 3rd Trenary?> > Also, who were the parents of Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - > 1930? I have > GORDON's married Dove's from Clarke County.> > Thanks, > Estelle> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda J Scott" > <bjs724@msn.com>> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, January 21, > 2008 10:03 AM> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Downs> > > >> > I also have pictures of > tombstones on some of these folks> >> >> >> >> >> > Descendants of James > Downs> >> >> > 1 James Downs - 1835> > .. +Elizabeth McFarlin 1780 -> > . > 2 Capt. Noah Downs - 1880> > ..... +Mary Jane Haines 1825 -> > ..... 3 > Maurice Downs> > ..... 3 [28] daughter Downs 1856 -> > ..... 3 [29] Luda > Downs 1857 -> > . 2 [30] James W. Downs 1825 -> > ..... +[31] Mary A. E. > Thomas 1828 -> > ..... 3 [32] William H. Downs 1859! > -> > . 2 [1] Stephen D. Downs 1815 -> > ..... +[2] Mary Ann Ault 1816 -> > > ..... 3 [3] Mason Downs 1846 -> > ..... 3 [4] Charles Fenton Downs > 1846 - 1911> > ......... +[5] Anna Rebbecca Pierce 1841 - 1908> > ........ > 4 [6] Charles Edward Downs 1874 - 1934> > ............. +[7] Sarah > Virginia Baker> > ........ 4 [8] Florence V. Downs 1878 -> > ........ 4 > [9] William H. Downs 1882 - 1883> > ..... 3 [10] William Hamilton Henry > Downs 1850 - 1916> > ......... +[11] Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930> > > ........ 4 [12] Leonard Downs 1878 - 1954> > ............. +[13] Leah > Estelle Havenner 1880 - 1946> > ........ 4 [14] William Marion Downs > 1880 - 1965> > ............. +[15] Ruth Jenkins> > ........ 4 [16] Noah > Downs 1882 - 1896> > ........ 4 [17] Montgomery Downs 1877 - 1949> > > ........ 4 [18] Minnie Downs 1884 -> > ............. +[19] James Francis > 3rd Trenary> > ........ 4 [20] John Noland Downs 1886 -> > ........ 4 [21] > Henry Downs 1888 -> > ........ 4 [22] James Downs 1890 -> > ! > ........ 4 [23] Norris Franklin Downs 1892 -> > ........ 4 [24] Walter > Downs 1894 - 1997> > ..... 3 [25] James Downs 1852 -> > ..... 3 [26] John > H. Downs 1855 -> > ..... 3 [27] Stephens T. Downs 1857 -> > . 2 [33] > Mariah Downs 1825 -> > . 2 [34] Mary Ellen Downs 1827 -> > *2nd Wife of > James Downs:> > .. +Elizabeth McFarlin/McFarland 1780 - 1858> > . 2 [1] > Stephen D. Downs 1815 -> > ..... +[2] Mary Ann Ault 1816 -> > ..... 3 [3] > Mason Downs 1846 -> > ..... 3 [4] Charles Fenton Downs 1846 - 1911> > > ......... +[5] Anna Rebbecca Pierce 1841 - 1908> > ........ 4 [6] Charles > Edward Downs 1874 - 1934> > ............. +[7] Sarah Virginia Baker> > > ........ 4 [8] Florence V. Downs 1878 -> > ........ 4 [9] William H. Downs > 1882 - 1883> > ..... 3 [10] William Hamilton Henry Downs 1850 - 1916> > > ......... +[11] Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930> > ........ 4 [12] Leonard > Downs 1878 - 1954> > ............. +[13] Leah Estelle Havenner 1880 - > 1946> > ........ 4 [14] William Marion Downs 1880 - 1965> > ............. > +[15] Ruth Jenkins> > ........ 4 [16] Noah Down! > s 1882 - 1896> > ........ 4 [17] Montgomery Downs 1877 - 1949> > ........ > 4 [18] Minnie Downs 1884 -> > ............. +[19] James Francis 3rd > Trenary> > ........ 4 [20] John Noland Downs 1886 -> > ........ 4 [21] > Henry Downs 1888 -> > ........ 4 [22] James Downs 1890 -> > ........ 4 > [23] Norris Franklin Downs 1892 -> > ........ 4 [24] Walter Downs 1894 - > 1997> > ..... 3 [25] James Downs 1852 -> > ..... 3 [26] John H. Downs > 1855 -> > ..... 3 [27] Stephens T. Downs 1857 -> > . 2 Noah Downes 1819 - > 1880> > ..... +Mary Jane Haines> > ..... 3 Charles E. Downs 1849 -> > > ..... 3 Maurice W. Downs 1852 - 1922> > ......... +Mary Elizabeth Berry > 1856 - 1949> > ........ 4 Marion Thomas Downs> > ............. +Irene> > > ........ 4 Rubin Downs> > ........ 4 Bettie Leoma Downs> > ........ 4 > Clinton> > ........ 4 William Herbert Berry Downs 1878 - 1954> > > ............. +Rose Mae Case 1884 - 1937> > ........ 4 Austin Downs > 1894 -> > ........ 4 Blanche B. Downs 1894 - 1922> > ............. +M! > r. Blackmar> > ........ 4 Lula Downs 1896 - 1963> > ............. +Wal > ter Collier> > ........ *2nd Husband of Lula Downs:> > ............. > +Francis Campbell Kleindienst 1881 - 1950> > ........ 4 Hughston Elmore > Downs 1897 - 1979> > ........ 4 Gladys Olga Downs 1901 - 1993> > > ............. +Wilson Francis Pumphrey 1891 - 1965> > ........ 4 Arthur > 1907 -> > ........ 4 Oliver Downs 1909 -> > ........ 4 Edward Downs > 1877 -> > ........ 4 Fannie Downs 1878 -> > ..... 3 [28] daughter Downs > 1856 -> > ..... 3 [29] Luda Downs 1857 -> > . 2 [30] James W. Downs > 1825 -> > ..... +[31] Mary A. E. Thomas 1828 -> > ..... 3 [32] William H. > Downs 1859 -> > . 2 [33] Mariah Downs 1825 -> > . 2 [34] Mary Ellen Downs > 1827 -> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 > 01:22:56 -0500> > >> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Downs> > 1910 census> > Name: > William Downs > This is > >> all I could find with a quick look.> > > Janean> > Birthplace: Virginia > > >> State: VA > Age: 60 > Color: W > > Enu! > meration District: 0059 > Visit: 0228 > >> > County: Loudoun Broad Run> > Relation: Head of Household > Other > >> Residents: Relation Name Age > Birth Place > Wife Linnie 58 Virginia > Son > >> Montgomery 32 Virginia > > Son Henry 21 Virginia > Son Walter 15 Virginia > > >> > > -----Original > Message-----> From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> > [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com]> On Behalf Of Bea and Stan > >> > Rutherford> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:33 PM> To: > >> > VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com> Subject: [VALOUDOU] In need of a little help !> > > > >> Good Day to all,> Anyone out there - can you help me? Will you help > me?> > >> In search of information on William Downs that was born about > 1850....in> > >> Virginia.........as were his parents.........Willia,'s > spouse was listed > >> as> L!> > innie M. Downs....they married in > 1876....it was stated he lived in Broad> > > Run District - Loudoun , > Virginia.> Know any Downs family members ? > > Anything sound familier? > > Anyone know! > rather there are Marriage records > > online or, death records from> > this area online?> Anything would be of > > great help as well as greatly > appreciated.> Kindly> Bea> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The First > Sunday in each month will set aside > > for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call.> > Please always put the surname you seek in > > the subject and tell us > something> about your Brick Wall person.> To > > contact Listowner:> Rena > Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Search this list's > archived messages!> > > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > > > the list, please send an email to> VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with > the > > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes> in the subject and the body > of the > > message> > > -- > No virus found in t!> > his incoming > message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516> > / Virus > Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008> 6:37 PM> > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The First Sunday in ! > each month will set aside > > for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. 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Thank you Pat. I found it after I hit the send button on my earlier message. Estelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Duncan" <GenNutLdn@msn.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Downs > >From the Loudoun Co Marriage Register: > date of marriage: 13 Apr 1876 > groom: Wm. H. Downs, 26y, single, farmer, b. and resides Loudoun, son of > Stephen & Mary > bride: Linnie M. Dove, 24y, single, b. and resides Loudoun, dau. of Wm. & > Betsy > performed by J. S. Gardner > > Email me directly if you have questions. > > > Pat Duncan > GenNutLdn@msn.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E&B Gordon" <redtop03@comcast.net> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:44 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Downs > > >> Do you know the parents of Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930? >> >> Estelle > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know the parents of Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930? Estelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda J Scott" <bjs724@msn.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Downs > > I also have pictures of tombstones on some of these folks > > > > > > Descendants of James Downs > > > 1 James Downs - 1835 > .. +Elizabeth McFarlin 1780 - > . 2 Capt. Noah Downs - 1880 > ..... +Mary Jane Haines 1825 - > ..... 3 Maurice Downs > ..... 3 [28] daughter Downs 1856 - > ..... 3 [29] Luda Downs 1857 - > . 2 [30] James W. Downs 1825 - > ..... +[31] Mary A. E. Thomas 1828 - > ..... 3 [32] William H. Downs 1859 - > . 2 [1] Stephen D. Downs 1815 - > ..... +[2] Mary Ann Ault 1816 - > ..... 3 [3] Mason Downs 1846 - > ..... 3 [4] Charles Fenton Downs 1846 - 1911 > ......... +[5] Anna Rebbecca Pierce 1841 - 1908 > ........ 4 [6] Charles Edward Downs 1874 - 1934 > ............. +[7] Sarah Virginia Baker > ........ 4 [8] Florence V. Downs 1878 - > ........ 4 [9] William H. Downs 1882 - 1883 > ..... 3 [10] William Hamilton Henry Downs 1850 - 1916 > ......... +[11] Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930 > ........ 4 [12] Leonard Downs 1878 - 1954 > ............. +[13] Leah Estelle Havenner 1880 - 1946 > ........ 4 [14] William Marion Downs 1880 - 1965 > ............. +[15] Ruth Jenkins > ........ 4 [16] Noah Downs 1882 - 1896 > ........ 4 [17] Montgomery Downs 1877 - 1949 > ........ 4 [18] Minnie Downs 1884 - > ............. +[19] James Francis 3rd Trenary > ........ 4 [20] John Noland Downs 1886 - > ........ 4 [21] Henry Downs 1888 - > ........ 4 [22] James Downs 1890 - > ........ 4 [23] Norris Franklin Downs 1892 - > ........ 4 [24] Walter Downs 1894 - 1997 > ..... 3 [25] James Downs 1852 - > ..... 3 [26] John H. Downs 1855 - > ..... 3 [27] Stephens T. Downs 1857 - > . 2 [33] Mariah Downs 1825 - > . 2 [34] Mary Ellen Downs 1827 - > *2nd Wife of James Downs: > .. +Elizabeth McFarlin/McFarland 1780 - 1858 > . 2 [1] Stephen D. Downs 1815 - > ..... +[2] Mary Ann Ault 1816 - > ..... 3 [3] Mason Downs 1846 - > ..... 3 [4] Charles Fenton Downs 1846 - 1911 > ......... +[5] Anna Rebbecca Pierce 1841 - 1908 > ........ 4 [6] Charles Edward Downs 1874 - 1934 > ............. +[7] Sarah Virginia Baker > ........ 4 [8] Florence V. Downs 1878 - > ........ 4 [9] William H. Downs 1882 - 1883 > ..... 3 [10] William Hamilton Henry Downs 1850 - 1916 > ......... +[11] Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930 > ........ 4 [12] Leonard Downs 1878 - 1954 > ............. +[13] Leah Estelle Havenner 1880 - 1946 > ........ 4 [14] William Marion Downs 1880 - 1965 > ............. +[15] Ruth Jenkins > ........ 4 [16] Noah Downs 1882 - 1896 > ........ 4 [17] Montgomery Downs 1877 - 1949 > ........ 4 [18] Minnie Downs 1884 - > ............. +[19] James Francis 3rd Trenary > ........ 4 [20] John Noland Downs 1886 - > ........ 4 [21] Henry Downs 1888 - > ........ 4 [22] James Downs 1890 - > ........ 4 [23] Norris Franklin Downs 1892 - > ........ 4 [24] Walter Downs 1894 - 1997 > ..... 3 [25] James Downs 1852 - > ..... 3 [26] John H. Downs 1855 - > ..... 3 [27] Stephens T. Downs 1857 - > . 2 Noah Downes 1819 - 1880 > ..... +Mary Jane Haines > ..... 3 Charles E. Downs 1849 - > ..... 3 Maurice W. Downs 1852 - 1922 > ......... +Mary Elizabeth Berry 1856 - 1949 > ........ 4 Marion Thomas Downs > ............. +Irene > ........ 4 Rubin Downs > ........ 4 Bettie Leoma Downs > ........ 4 Clinton > ........ 4 William Herbert Berry Downs 1878 - 1954 > ............. +Rose Mae Case 1884 - 1937 > ........ 4 Austin Downs 1894 - > ........ 4 Blanche B. Downs 1894 - 1922 > ............. +Mr. Blackmar > ........ 4 Lula Downs 1896 - 1963 > ............. +Walter Collier > ........ *2nd Husband of Lula Downs: > ............. +Francis Campbell Kleindienst 1881 - 1950 > ........ 4 Hughston Elmore Downs 1897 - 1979 > ........ 4 Gladys Olga Downs 1901 - 1993 > ............. +Wilson Francis Pumphrey 1891 - 1965 > ........ 4 Arthur 1907 - > ........ 4 Oliver Downs 1909 - > ........ 4 Edward Downs 1877 - > ........ 4 Fannie Downs 1878 - > ..... 3 [28] daughter Downs 1856 - > ..... 3 [29] Luda Downs 1857 - > . 2 [30] James W. Downs 1825 - > ..... +[31] Mary A. E. Thomas 1828 - > ..... 3 [32] William H. Downs 1859 - > . 2 [33] Mariah Downs 1825 - > . 2 [34] Mary Ellen Downs 1827 - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:22:56 -0500> >> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Downs> > 1910 census> > Name: William Downs > This is >> all I could find with a quick look.> > Janean> > Birthplace: Virginia > >> State: VA > Age: 60 > Color: W > Enumeration District: 0059 > Visit: 0228 >> > County: Loudoun Broad Run> Relation: Head of Household > Other >> Residents: Relation Name Age Birth Place > Wife Linnie 58 Virginia > Son >> Montgomery 32 Virginia > Son Henry 21 Virginia > Son Walter 15 Virginia > >> > > -----Original Message-----> From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com]> On Behalf Of Bea and Stan >> Rutherford> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:33 PM> To: >> VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com> Subject: [VALOUDOU] In need of a little help !> > >> Good Day to all,> Anyone out there - can you help me? Will you help me?> >> In search of information on William Downs that was born about 1850....in> >> Virginia.........as were his parents.........Willia,'s spouse was listed >> as> L! > innie M. Downs....they married in 1876....it was stated he lived in Broad> > Run District - Loudoun , Virginia.> Know any Downs family members ? > Anything sound familier? > Anyone know rather there are Marriage records > online or, death records from> this area online?> Anything would be of > great help as well as greatly appreciated.> Kindly> Bea> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The First Sunday in each month will set aside > for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call.> Please always put the surname you seek in > the subject and tell us something> about your Brick Wall person.> To > contact Listowner:> Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Search this list's archived messages!> > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to> VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes> in the subject and the body of the > message> > > -- > No virus found in t! > his incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 > / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: 1/19/2008> 6:37 PM> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> The First Sunday in each month will set aside > for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. 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>From the Loudoun Co Marriage Register: date of marriage: 13 Apr 1876 groom: Wm. H. Downs, 26y, single, farmer, b. and resides Loudoun, son of Stephen & Mary bride: Linnie M. Dove, 24y, single, b. and resides Loudoun, dau. of Wm. & Betsy performed by J. S. Gardner Email me directly if you have questions. Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "E&B Gordon" <redtop03@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Downs > Do you know the parents of Linnie Marion Dove 1852 - 1930? > > Estelle

Thanks, Marty...guess we just request the map from Loudon County main address? Marilee Cunningham Alexandria, VA Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:55:11 -0500 From: "Marty Hiatt" <martyhiatt@wildblue.net> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Land Plats in Loudoun To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <003601c861ef$7a8e4000$6501a8c0@MAH> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Last year the county office of Mapping & Geographic Information produced a 4 color map showing the outlines of all original grants within the boundaries of Loudoun Co. Along with the map, there is a 10 page list of ownership records. It is organized basically in chronological order, with book:page, owner, year granted, acres, notes, and GIS acres. If you order this map from Loudoun County, ($10) be certain to ask for the copy with roads and rivers. The first edition did not have these, so is basically useless. The outlines were provided by Wynne Saffer. He asked the mapping staff to reproduce the plats as an overlay on a modern map. They did not do that. Just a few of the major roads are printed, and 3-4 streams, for orientation. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists? used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the Board's associates.

I think you are both correct - and a little 'fudging' is necessary. Sometimes the surveying was done by pacing (or counting the number of steps from one point to the other) and therefore the distance measuments usually had a significant error. The use of "poles" greatly improved the accuracy of distance measurements but the pole was not always critically placed - and counting errors did occur. The more accurate surveys were performed by "professional" surveyors with "chain carriers" (the chain had a known length) and were stretched taut and straight. Of course, all surveys required some arithmetic (adding, multiplying, etc) and that also introduced a chance for error. Today, with lasers and electronic "doppler effect" calculations, the distance is accurate within a micrometer. And remember, in the 18th century, the compass was read by the eye of a man... C'ya, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Davis To: valoudou@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants James, Basically you are correct, and I too have found errors in the descriptions. What you have to remember is that the old surveys were in whole degrees and they are probably magnetic North rather than true North. I do not remember exactly what my surveying instructor taught as a way to "close" when the starting and ending points are off a few feet or a few degrees so I fudge each a little until they "close". I cheat and use my CAD program. Sometimes I am able to match my drawing to an area on a satellite photo so that I can see exactly where the property was. Ron Davis Woodland, CA "J. A. Holifield" wrote: > To all fellow researchers, > I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot ancestor's land from the > descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please correct me. > After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I became interested if it was possible to plot the > boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original land boundaries are > today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. After studying a copy of > a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best guesstimate of how > to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of a property discription > and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my findings on a record of a land > survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern Virginia from 1741, > and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I discovered that > when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically from point (A) start at > a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; you interpret first > the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by calculating North (as > 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the west direction on > the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and subtract 37 degrees > since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the numerical number for > North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you come up with > 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property boundary that runs from > point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from point (A) in order to plot > it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in length. You can research > how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to calculate the distance > of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the number of poles by > 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 poles. 112 poles mul- > tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property boundary line from point > (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of 1,848 feet and simply > repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property discription till you get back to > the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of your ancestor's land > from the 18th century. > What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land based on his discription and > it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my ancestor's property from 1729 > and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was recorded, it was > recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south instead of north and is > way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). > So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time I requested infor- > mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with my computer and > didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I appreciate who ever sent me > info when I requested it! > > Blessings, > James A. Holifield ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. 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I have sent an email to the Mapping & Geographic Information office to get the correct map number, etc. to use when ordering, which I will post once I receive a reply. There is an order form on the website which can be printed, completed, and snail mailed. Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilee Cunningham" <modonnell05@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Land plat map > Thanks, Marty...guess we just request the map from Loudon County main > address? > > Marilee Cunningham > Alexandria, VA > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:55:11 -0500 > From: "Marty Hiatt" <martyhiatt@wildblue.net> > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Land Plats in Loudoun > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003601c861ef$7a8e4000$6501a8c0@MAH> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Last year the county office of Mapping & Geographic Information produced a > 4 color map showing the outlines of all original grants within the > boundaries of Loudoun Co. Along with the map, there is a 10 page list of > ownership records. It is organized basically in chronological order, with > book:page, owner, year granted, acres, notes, and GIS acres. > > If you order this map from Loudoun County, ($10) be certain to ask for the > copy with roads and rivers. The first edition did not have these, so is > basically useless. The outlines were provided by Wynne Saffer. He asked > the > mapping staff to reproduce the plats as an overlay on a modern map. They > did > > not do that. Just a few of the major roads are printed, and 3-4 streams, > for > > orientation. > > > Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board > for > Certification of Genealogists? used by the Board to identify its program > of > genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the > Board's > associates.

Rod Davis, Thank you for your reply on plotting land grants. My ancestor's 1729 land grant does have half degrees and since using a compass, they referenced magnetic North as opposed to true North. But even still, when using the land description of John Mercer's from 1741, my drawing worked out perfectly. I hope to get a later owner's land description and plot it in hopes of getting the property outline. A Col. George West was a subsequent owner from the 1750's I think it was till the l780's I think it was,so perhaps I could obtain that description and plot it. How does one go about ordering the early plot map from Loudoun County that Ms. Marty Hiatt mentions? Thanks, James A. Holifield Pensacola,FL ----- Original Message ----- From: <valoudou-request@rootsweb.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: VALOUDOU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Land Plats in Loudoun (Marty Hiatt) > 2. Re: Plotting 18th century Land Grants (Joe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:55:11 -0500 > From: "Marty Hiatt" <martyhiatt@wildblue.net> > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Land Plats in Loudoun > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003601c861ef$7a8e4000$6501a8c0@MAH> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Last year the county office of Mapping & Geographic Information produced a > 4 > color map showing the outlines of all original grants within the > boundaries > of Loudoun Co. Along with the map, there is a 10 page list of ownership > records. It is organized basically in chronological order, with book:page, > owner, year granted, acres, notes, and GIS acres. > > If you order this map from Loudoun County, ($10) be certain to ask for the > copy with roads and rivers. The first edition did not have these, so is > basically useless. The outlines were provided by Wynne Saffer. He asked > the > mapping staff to reproduce the plats as an overlay on a modern map. They > did > not do that. Just a few of the major roads are printed, and 3-4 streams, > for > orientation. > > > Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board > for > Certification of Genealogists? used by the Board to identify its program > of > genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the > Board's > associates. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <valoudou-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:34 PM > Subject: VALOUDOU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 14 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA (Scott, Brenda) >> 2. Francis/Johnston (Betty) >> 3. Re: Francis/Johnston (Pat Duncan) >> 4. Plotting 18th century Land Grants (J. A. Holifield) >> 5. Re: Plotting 18th century Land Grants (Ron Davis) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:02:12 -0500 >> From: "Scott, Brenda" <Brenda.Scott@mncppc-mc.org> >> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA >> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <63175144B1563946A7CC1F9DED84413A01012AF3@mcp-mail.mncppc.lcl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Is this Thomas Beavers related to Polly Beavers who married a Smallwood? >> >> Thanks for any input. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gary W Watson >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:35 PM >> To: valoudou-l@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA >> >> Does anyone have a complete transcript of his Thomas Beavers will dated >> 1770 that they would be willing to share? >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> ____________ >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll >> Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us >> something about your Brick Wall person. >> To contact Listowner: >> Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Search this list's archived messages! >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:29:37 -0500 >> From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> >> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston >> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001f01c861ba$36509080$6500a8c0@BETTY> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Sorry, I meant for this to go to the list too. I find the Johnston's hard >> to trace as you have to look at all the Johnson's also. If this helps >> someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. >> >> Betty >> >> Tosca, >> >> Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my >> information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in the >> last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered >> earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to >> send it to you. >> >> Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west >> of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land among >> others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from >> where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin >> school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this >> area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from >> Loudoun County, VA. >> >> About the Johnston's: >> >> James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 >> Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old Bethesda >> Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: >> >> Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov >> 1854(This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 >> daughter >> >> John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further >> record of this child. >> >> James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date for >> his marriage or death. Their children: >> Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' >> >> Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker >> Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: >> Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have >> Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. >> Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of >> appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. >> >> Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 >> James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct 1935 >> m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. >> >> Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth >> Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. >> They had a son Leo. That's all I have. >> >> John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford >> Gale. >> Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. >> >> Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 >> >> James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. >> >> Now about the Francis family: >> >> Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John >> Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 >> times removed. Thank you TMG. >> >> John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an earlier >> email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. >> >> My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going to >> bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. >> >> Betty >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tosca >> To: betty ; P. Duncan >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis and my query re Stohr >> >> >> Dear Betty, and Pat, >> I worked diligently on my Enoch Francis data...and got so bleary-eyed I >> needed to get away from it for a while. I'll try to review what I have >> and send it to you. I quite possibly would like your file that you >> offered in your first posting back to me, but will wait - you need to >> enjoy your time in SC without worrying about me. And you probably have >> it >> at home anyway. >> And Pat, as ever, you are so helpful as well...I dont think Stoll would >> be right - I've seen Stoehr, Staehr, Stair, etc...but maybe time will >> tell. >> In genie friendship... >> Tosca >> >> ps: Re: Evergreen Mills, I had emailed that question hoping that Patti >> woul learn something. She came right back to me and said I made a good >> point, again said something about Evergreen Mills, but still didn't say >> it >> was in Loudoun. She still didn't give any dates. >> (There is also an Evergreen Mills in Oklahoma.) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> >> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis >> >> >> > Tosca, >> > >> > Evergreen Mills is in Loudoun County, VA, south of Leesburg. >> > >> > Betty >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> >> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:37 PM >> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis >> > >> > >> > | Patti, >> > | A time frame and the location of Evergreen Mills would help >> determine >> if >> > | your family came from VA. >> > | Tosca >> > | >> > | ----- Original Message ----- >> > | From: <PattiB9460@aol.com> >> > | To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> >> > | Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:34 PM >> > | Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis >> > | >> > | >> > | > My g-grandfather's second wife was Minnie Francis Johnston, of >> Evergreen >> > | > Mills. She was the daughter of James Johnston and Mariah (I >> believe) >> > | > Francis. >> > | > I do not know much about this family. Did they come from >> Virginia? >> > | > Patti >> > | > >> > | > >> > | > ************** >> > | > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >> > | > >> > | > >> http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" >> Roll >> > | > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and >> tell us >> > | > something about your Brick Wall person. >> > | > To contact Listowner: >> > | > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com >> > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > | > Search this list's archived messages! >> > | > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > | > ------------------------------- >> > | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > | > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > | > >> > | >> > | >> > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" >> Roll >> > Call. 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Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us >> something about your Brick Wall person. >> > To contact Listowner: >> > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > Search this list's archived messages! >> > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:43:30 -0700 >> From: "Pat Duncan" <GenNutLdn@msn.com> >> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston >> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV8FF3CAEDE416B32292945A0340@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> If someone else is working on this Francis/Johnston line, I have >> additional >> information which I sent directly to Patti that I can share. That >> information includes the item below from a soon to be published series on >> The Times newspapers in Loudoun from the later 1800's. >> >> Thursday, 20 June 1901 Vol. XLVI, No. 2 >> Marriage is announced of Miss Minnie Francis Johnston and Dr. James T. >> Jones, to take place Thursday, June 13, at 922 New York Ave., Washington >> DC. >> Will make their home at Ashburn. >> >> Pat Duncan >> GenNutLdn@msn.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> >> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:29 AM >> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston >> >> >>> Sorry, I meant for this to go to the list too. I find the Johnston's >>> hard >>> to trace as you have to look at all the Johnson's also. If this helps >>> someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. >>> >>> Betty >>> >>> Tosca, >>> >>> Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my >>> information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in >>> the >>> last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered >>> earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to >>> send it to you. >>> >>> Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west >>> of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land >>> among >>> others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from >>> where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin >>> school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this >>> area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from >>> Loudoun County, VA. >>> >>> About the Johnston's: >>> >>> James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 >>> Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old >>> Bethesda >>> Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: >>> >>> Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov 1854 >>> (This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 >>> daughter >>> >>> John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further >>> record of this child. >>> >>> James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date >>> for >>> his marriage or death. Their children: >>> Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' >>> >>> Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker >>> Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: >>> Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have >>> Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. >>> Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of >>> appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. >>> >>> Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 >>> James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct >>> 1935 >>> m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. >>> >>> Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth >>> Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. >>> They had a son Leo. That's all I have. >>> >>> John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford >>> Gale. Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. >>> >>> Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 >>> >>> James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. >>> >>> Now about the Francis family: >>> >>> Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John >>> Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 >>> times removed. Thank you TMG. >>> >>> John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an >>> earlier >>> email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. >>> >>> My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going >>> to >>> bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. >>> >>> Betty >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:12:35 -0600 >> From: "J. A. Holifield" <light_n_me@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants >> To: "Loudoun Roots Web" <VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <002801c861c8$987c1000$6401a8c0@jim> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> To all fellow researchers, >> I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot >> ancestor's land from the >> descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please >> correct me. >> After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's >> original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I >> became interested if it was possible to plot the >> boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original >> land boundaries are >> today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. >> After studying a copy of >> a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best >> guesstimate of how >> to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of >> a property discription >> and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my >> findings on a record of a land >> survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern >> Virginia from 1741, >> and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I >> discovered that >> when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically >> from point (A) start at >> a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; >> you interpret first >> the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by >> calculating North (as >> 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the >> west direction on >> the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and >> subtract >> 37 degrees >> since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the >> numerical number for >> North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you >> come up with >> 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property >> boundary that runs from >> point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from >> point (A) in order to plot >> it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in >> length. You can research >> how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to >> calculate the distance >> of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the >> number of poles by >> 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 >> poles. 112 poles mul- >> tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property >> boundary line from point >> (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of >> 1,848 feet and simply >> repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property >> discription till you get back to >> the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of >> your ancestor's land >> from the 18th century. >> What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land based >> on his discription and >> it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my >> ancestor's >> property from 1729 >> and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was >> recorded, it was >> recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south >> instead of north and is >> way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). >> So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time >> I >> requested infor- >> mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with >> my computer and >> didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I >> appreciate who ever sent me >> info when I requested it! >> >> Blessings, >> James A. Holifield >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:33:56 -0800 >> From: Ron Davis <i-d-c@alumni.calpoly.edu> >> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants >> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <479E1203.D23E6747@alumni.calpoly.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; >> x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >> >> James, >> >> Basically you are correct, and I too have found errors in the >> descriptions. What you have to remember is that the old surveys were in >> whole degrees and they are probably magnetic North rather >> than true North. I do not remember exactly what my surveying instructor >> taught as a way to "close" when the starting and ending points are off a >> few feet or a few degrees so I fudge each a >> little until they "close". I cheat and use my CAD program. Sometimes I am >> able to match my drawing to an area on a satellite photo so that I can >> see >> exactly where the property was. >> >> Ron Davis >> Woodland, CA >> >> >> >> "J. A. Holifield" wrote: >> >>> To all fellow researchers, >>> I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and >>> plot >>> ancestor's land from the >>> descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please >>> correct me. >>> After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's >>> original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I >>> became interested if it was possible to plot the >>> boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original >>> land boundaries are >>> today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. >>> After studying a copy of >>> a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my >>> best >>> guesstimate of how >>> to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary >>> of >>> a property discription >>> and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my >>> findings on a record of a land >>> survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern >>> Virginia from 1741, >>> and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first >>> I >>> discovered that >>> when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically >>> from point (A) start at >>> a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; >>> you interpret first >>> the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by >>> calculating North (as >>> 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the >>> west direction on >>> the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and >>> subtract 37 degrees >>> since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the >>> numerical number for >>> North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you >>> come up with >>> 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property >>> boundary that runs from >>> point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from >>> point (A) in order to plot >>> it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in >>> length. You can research >>> how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to >>> calculate the distance >>> of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply >>> the >>> number of poles by >>> 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 >>> poles. 112 poles mul- >>> tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property >>> boundary line from point >>> (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of >>> 1,848 feet and simply >>> repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property >>> discription till you get back to >>> the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of >>> your ancestor's land >>> from the 18th century. >>> What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land >>> based on his discription and >>> it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my >>> ancestor's property from 1729 >>> and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property >>> was >>> recorded, it was >>> recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south >>> instead of north and is >>> way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). >>> So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last >>> time >>> I requested infor- >>> mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with >>> my computer and >>> didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I >>> appreciate who ever sent me >>> info when I requested it! >>> >>> Blessings, >>> James A. Holifield >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the VALOUDOU list administrator, send an email to >> VALOUDOU-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the VALOUDOU mailing list, send an email to >> VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of VALOUDOU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 14 >> *************************************** >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:48:51 -0500 > From: "Joe" <joe0888@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants > To: <i-d-c@alumni.calpoly.edu>, <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01f301c861ef$30db3710$0200a8c0@Delia> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I think you are both correct - and a little 'fudging' is necessary. > Sometimes the surveying was done by pacing (or counting the number of > steps from one point to the other) and therefore the distance measuments > usually had a significant error. The use of "poles" greatly improved the > accuracy of distance measurements but the pole was not always critically > placed - and counting errors did occur. The more accurate surveys were > performed by "professional" surveyors with "chain carriers" (the chain had > a known length) and were stretched taut and straight. Of course, all > surveys required some arithmetic (adding, multiplying, etc) and that also > introduced a chance for error. Today, with lasers and electronic "doppler > effect" calculations, the distance is accurate within a micrometer. > > And remember, in the 18th century, the compass was read by the eye of a > man... > > C'ya, > Joe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Davis > To: valoudou@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants > > > James, > > Basically you are correct, and I too have found errors in the > descriptions. What you have to remember is that the old surveys were in > whole degrees and they are probably magnetic North rather > than true North. I do not remember exactly what my surveying instructor > taught as a way to "close" when the starting and ending points are off a > few feet or a few degrees so I fudge each a > little until they "close". I cheat and use my CAD program. Sometimes I am > able to match my drawing to an area on a satellite photo so that I can see > exactly where the property was. > > Ron Davis > Woodland, CA > > > > "J. A. Holifield" wrote: > >> To all fellow researchers, >> I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot >> ancestor's land from the >> descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please >> correct me. >> After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's >> original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I >> became interested if it was possible to plot the >> boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original >> land boundaries are >> today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. >> After studying a copy of >> a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best >> guesstimate of how >> to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of >> a property discription >> and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my >> findings on a record of a land >> survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern >> Virginia from 1741, >> and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I >> discovered that >> when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically >> from point (A) start at >> a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; >> you interpret first >> the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by >> calculating North (as >> 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the >> west direction on >> the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and >> subtract 37 degrees >> since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the >> numerical number for >> North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you >> come up with >> 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property >> boundary that runs from >> point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from >> point (A) in order to plot >> it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in >> length. You can research >> how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to >> calculate the distance >> of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the >> number of poles by >> 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 >> poles. 112 poles mul- >> tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property >> boundary line from point >> (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of >> 1,848 feet and simply >> repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property >> discription till you get back to >> the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of >> your ancestor's land >> from the 18th century. >> What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land >> based on his discription and >> it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my >> ancestor's property from 1729 >> and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was >> recorded, it was >> recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south >> instead of north and is >> way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). >> So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time >> I requested infor- >> mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with >> my computer and >> didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I >> appreciate who ever sent me >> info when I requested it! >> >> Blessings, >> James A. Holifield > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VALOUDOU list administrator, send an email to > VALOUDOU-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VALOUDOU mailing list, send an email to > VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VALOUDOU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 > *************************************** >

Last year the county office of Mapping & Geographic Information produced a 4 color map showing the outlines of all original grants within the boundaries of Loudoun Co. Along with the map, there is a 10 page list of ownership records. It is organized basically in chronological order, with book:page, owner, year granted, acres, notes, and GIS acres. If you order this map from Loudoun County, ($10) be certain to ask for the copy with roads and rivers. The first edition did not have these, so is basically useless. The outlines were provided by Wynne Saffer. He asked the mapping staff to reproduce the plats as an overlay on a modern map. They did not do that. Just a few of the major roads are printed, and 3-4 streams, for orientation. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the Board's associates. ----- Original Message ----- From: <valoudou-request@rootsweb.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: VALOUDOU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 14 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA (Scott, Brenda) > 2. Francis/Johnston (Betty) > 3. Re: Francis/Johnston (Pat Duncan) > 4. Plotting 18th century Land Grants (J. A. Holifield) > 5. Re: Plotting 18th century Land Grants (Ron Davis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:02:12 -0500 > From: "Scott, Brenda" <Brenda.Scott@mncppc-mc.org> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <63175144B1563946A7CC1F9DED84413A01012AF3@mcp-mail.mncppc.lcl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Is this Thomas Beavers related to Polly Beavers who married a Smallwood? > > Thanks for any input. > > -----Original Message----- > From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gary W Watson > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:35 PM > To: valoudou-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA > > Does anyone have a complete transcript of his Thomas Beavers will dated > 1770 that they would be willing to share? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____________ > Never miss a thing. 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If this helps > someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. > > Betty > > Tosca, > > Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my > information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in the > last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered > earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to > send it to you. > > Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west > of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land among > others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from > where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin > school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this > area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from > Loudoun County, VA. > > About the Johnston's: > > James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 > Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old Bethesda > Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: > > Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov > 1854(This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 > daughter > > John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further > record of this child. > > James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date for > his marriage or death. Their children: > Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' > > Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker > Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: > Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have > Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. > Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of > appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. > > Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 > James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct 1935 > m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. > > Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth > Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. > They had a son Leo. That's all I have. > > John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford Gale. > Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. > > Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 > > James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. > > Now about the Francis family: > > Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John > Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 > times removed. Thank you TMG. > > John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an earlier > email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. > > My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going to > bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. > > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tosca > To: betty ; P. Duncan > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis and my query re Stohr > > > Dear Betty, and Pat, > I worked diligently on my Enoch Francis data...and got so bleary-eyed I > needed to get away from it for a while. I'll try to review what I have > and send it to you. I quite possibly would like your file that you > offered in your first posting back to me, but will wait - you need to > enjoy your time in SC without worrying about me. And you probably have it > at home anyway. > And Pat, as ever, you are so helpful as well...I dont think Stoll would > be right - I've seen Stoehr, Staehr, Stair, etc...but maybe time will > tell. > In genie friendship... > Tosca > > ps: Re: Evergreen Mills, I had emailed that question hoping that Patti > woul learn something. She came right back to me and said I made a good > point, again said something about Evergreen Mills, but still didn't say it > was in Loudoun. She still didn't give any dates. > (There is also an Evergreen Mills in Oklahoma.) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > > > > Tosca, > > > > Evergreen Mills is in Loudoun County, VA, south of Leesburg. > > > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> > > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > > > > > > | Patti, > > | A time frame and the location of Evergreen Mills would help determine > if > > | your family came from VA. > > | Tosca > > | > > | ----- Original Message ----- > > | From: <PattiB9460@aol.com> > > | To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > > | Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:34 PM > > | Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > > | > > | > > | > My g-grandfather's second wife was Minnie Francis Johnston, of > Evergreen > > | > Mills. She was the daughter of James Johnston and Mariah (I > believe) > > | > Francis. > > | > I do not know much about this family. Did they come from > Virginia? > > | > Patti > > | > > > | > > > | > ************** > > | > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > | > > > | > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" > Roll > > | > Call. 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Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > > To contact Listowner: > > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Search this list's archived messages! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:43:30 -0700 > From: "Pat Duncan" <GenNutLdn@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV8FF3CAEDE416B32292945A0340@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If someone else is working on this Francis/Johnston line, I have > additional > information which I sent directly to Patti that I can share. That > information includes the item below from a soon to be published series on > The Times newspapers in Loudoun from the later 1800's. > > Thursday, 20 June 1901 Vol. XLVI, No. 2 > Marriage is announced of Miss Minnie Francis Johnston and Dr. James T. > Jones, to take place Thursday, June 13, at 922 New York Ave., Washington > DC. > Will make their home at Ashburn. > > Pat Duncan > GenNutLdn@msn.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:29 AM > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston > > >> Sorry, I meant for this to go to the list too. I find the Johnston's hard >> to trace as you have to look at all the Johnson's also. If this helps >> someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. >> >> Betty >> >> Tosca, >> >> Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my >> information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in the >> last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered >> earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to >> send it to you. >> >> Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west >> of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land among >> others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from >> where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin >> school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this >> area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from >> Loudoun County, VA. >> >> About the Johnston's: >> >> James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 >> Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old Bethesda >> Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: >> >> Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov 1854 >> (This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 >> daughter >> >> John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further >> record of this child. >> >> James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date >> for >> his marriage or death. Their children: >> Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' >> >> Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker >> Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: >> Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have >> Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. >> Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of >> appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. >> >> Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 >> James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct 1935 >> m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. >> >> Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth >> Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. >> They had a son Leo. That's all I have. >> >> John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford >> Gale. Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. >> >> Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 >> >> James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. >> >> Now about the Francis family: >> >> Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John >> Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 >> times removed. Thank you TMG. >> >> John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an earlier >> email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. >> >> My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going to >> bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. >> >> Betty > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:12:35 -0600 > From: "J. A. Holifield" <light_n_me@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants > To: "Loudoun Roots Web" <VALOUDOU@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002801c861c8$987c1000$6401a8c0@jim> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > To all fellow researchers, > I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot > ancestor's land from the > descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please > correct me. > After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's > original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I > became interested if it was possible to plot the > boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original > land boundaries are > today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. > After studying a copy of > a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best > guesstimate of how > to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of > a property discription > and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my > findings on a record of a land > survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern > Virginia from 1741, > and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I > discovered that > when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically > from point (A) start at > a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; > you interpret first > the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by > calculating North (as > 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the > west direction on > the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and subtract > 37 degrees > since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the > numerical number for > North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you > come up with > 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property > boundary that runs from > point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from > point (A) in order to plot > it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in > length. You can research > how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to > calculate the distance > of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the > number of poles by > 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 > poles. 112 poles mul- > tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property > boundary line from point > (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of > 1,848 feet and simply > repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property > discription till you get back to > the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of > your ancestor's land > from the 18th century. > What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land based > on his discription and > it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my ancestor's > property from 1729 > and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was > recorded, it was > recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south > instead of north and is > way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). > So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time I > requested infor- > mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with > my computer and > didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I > appreciate who ever sent me > info when I requested it! > > Blessings, > James A. Holifield > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:33:56 -0800 > From: Ron Davis <i-d-c@alumni.calpoly.edu> > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Plotting 18th century Land Grants > To: valoudou@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <479E1203.D23E6747@alumni.calpoly.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; > x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" > > James, > > Basically you are correct, and I too have found errors in the > descriptions. What you have to remember is that the old surveys were in > whole degrees and they are probably magnetic North rather > than true North. I do not remember exactly what my surveying instructor > taught as a way to "close" when the starting and ending points are off a > few feet or a few degrees so I fudge each a > little until they "close". I cheat and use my CAD program. Sometimes I am > able to match my drawing to an area on a satellite photo so that I can see > exactly where the property was. > > Ron Davis > Woodland, CA > > > > "J. A. Holifield" wrote: > >> To all fellow researchers, >> I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot >> ancestor's land from the >> descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please >> correct me. >> After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's >> original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I >> became interested if it was possible to plot the >> boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original >> land boundaries are >> today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. >> After studying a copy of >> a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best >> guesstimate of how >> to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of >> a property discription >> and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my >> findings on a record of a land >> survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern >> Virginia from 1741, >> and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I >> discovered that >> when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically >> from point (A) start at >> a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; >> you interpret first >> the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by >> calculating North (as >> 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the >> west direction on >> the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and >> subtract 37 degrees >> since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the >> numerical number for >> North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you >> come up with >> 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property >> boundary that runs from >> point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from >> point (A) in order to plot >> it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in >> length. You can research >> how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to >> calculate the distance >> of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the >> number of poles by >> 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 >> poles. 112 poles mul- >> tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property >> boundary line from point >> (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of >> 1,848 feet and simply >> repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property >> discription till you get back to >> the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of >> your ancestor's land >> from the 18th century. >> What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land >> based on his discription and >> it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my >> ancestor's property from 1729 >> and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was >> recorded, it was >> recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south >> instead of north and is >> way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). >> So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time >> I requested infor- >> mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with >> my computer and >> didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I >> appreciate who ever sent me >> info when I requested it! >> >> Blessings, >> James A. 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To all fellow researchers, I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot ancestor's land from the descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please correct me. After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I became interested if it was possible to plot the boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original land boundaries are today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. After studying a copy of a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best guesstimate of how to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of a property discription and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my findings on a record of a land survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern Virginia from 1741, and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I discovered that when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically from point (A) start at a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; you interpret first the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by calculating North (as 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the west direction on the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and subtract 37 degrees since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the numerical number for North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you come up with 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property boundary that runs from point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from point (A) in order to plot it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in length. You can research how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to calculate the distance of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the number of poles by 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 poles. 112 poles mul- tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property boundary line from point (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of 1,848 feet and simply repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property discription till you get back to the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of your ancestor's land from the 18th century. What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land based on his discription and it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my ancestor's property from 1729 and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was recorded, it was recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south instead of north and is way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time I requested infor- mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with my computer and didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I appreciate who ever sent me info when I requested it! Blessings, James A. Holifield

James, Basically you are correct, and I too have found errors in the descriptions. What you have to remember is that the old surveys were in whole degrees and they are probably magnetic North rather than true North. I do not remember exactly what my surveying instructor taught as a way to "close" when the starting and ending points are off a few feet or a few degrees so I fudge each a little until they "close". I cheat and use my CAD program. Sometimes I am able to match my drawing to an area on a satellite photo so that I can see exactly where the property was. Ron Davis Woodland, CA "J. A. Holifield" wrote: > To all fellow researchers, > I thought I'd share what I've learned about how to interpret and plot ancestor's land from the > descriptions in land grants, and if I am incorrect in my methods, please correct me. > After getting a scanned copy of my ancestor Valentine Holyfield's original land grant from March 1729 of the Virginia's Northern Necks, I became interested if it was possible to plot the > boundaries of his 342 acres to scale and perhaps find where the original land boundaries are > today, since discovering it's location 5.5 miles south of Leesburg,VA. After studying a copy of > a book on early 18th century surveying & plotting, I came up with my best guesstimate of how > to interpret the compass angle if you will of a given line or boundary of a property discription > and it's length. So what I found if I am correct, and I tested my findings on a record of a land > survey of a John Mercer who has drawn to scale his property in Southern Virginia from 1741, > and my drawing matched perfectly with his recoreded drawing. So, first I discovered that > when a given line or boundary of a property discription says basically from point (A) start at > a scrubby oak and thence North 37 degrees,West; 112 poles to (B)......; you interpret first > the compass heading or angle of the line from point (A) to point (B) by calculating North (as > 360 degrees since you are then to plot an angle or heading towards the west direction on > the compass), then 37 degrees-West means you take 360 degrees and subtract 37 degrees > since you are heading towards West which is a heading less than the numerical number for > North,360 degrees,and when you subtract 37degrees from 360 degrees, you come up with > 323 degrees as the actual compass heading or angle for the property boundary that runs from > point (A) to point (B). Now you need to know how far point (B) is from point (A) in order to plot > it accurately. The term "poles" in the 18th century was 16.5 feet in length. You can research > how a pole distance was determined and set as a standard youself. So to calculate the distance > of the property line from point (A) to point (B), you simply multiply the number of poles by > 16.5 feet; so in the above example you have stated a distance of 112 poles. 112 poles mul- > tiplied by 16.5 feet equalls 1,848 feet. So you draw the first property boundary line from point > (A) to point (B) at an angle of 323 degrees and a distance to scale of 1,848 feet and simply > repeat these calculations for the remaining sides of the property discription till you get back to > the beginning which is point (A) and you will have a drawing to scale of your ancestor's land > from the 18th century. > What is ironic for me is when I first plotted John Mercer's land based on his discription and > it matched his drawing to scale in his notes, I then plotted my ancestor's property from 1729 > and it did not work out. Seems that when my ancestor's 1729 property was recorded, it was > recorded wrong. The last side of my ancestor's property heads south instead of north and is > way too short to arrive back at the beginning of point (A). > So any comments would be welcomed and.......by the way, the last time I requested infor- > mation, someone was nice enough to send it to me, but I had trouble with my computer and > didn't get to thank who ever it was......too long ago now. So I appreciate who ever sent me > info when I requested it! > > Blessings, > James A. Holifield

Sorry, I meant for this to go to the list too. I find the Johnston's hard to trace as you have to look at all the Johnson's also. If this helps someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. Betty Tosca, Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in the last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to send it to you. Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land among others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from Loudoun County, VA. About the Johnston's: James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old Bethesda Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov 1854(This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 daughter John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further record of this child. James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date for his marriage or death. Their children: Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct 1935 m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. They had a son Leo. That's all I have. John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford Gale. Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. Now about the Francis family: Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 times removed. Thank you TMG. John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an earlier email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going to bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Tosca To: betty ; P. Duncan Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis and my query re Stohr Dear Betty, and Pat, I worked diligently on my Enoch Francis data...and got so bleary-eyed I needed to get away from it for a while. I'll try to review what I have and send it to you. I quite possibly would like your file that you offered in your first posting back to me, but will wait - you need to enjoy your time in SC without worrying about me. And you probably have it at home anyway. And Pat, as ever, you are so helpful as well...I dont think Stoll would be right - I've seen Stoehr, Staehr, Stair, etc...but maybe time will tell. In genie friendship... Tosca ps: Re: Evergreen Mills, I had emailed that question hoping that Patti woul learn something. She came right back to me and said I made a good point, again said something about Evergreen Mills, but still didn't say it was in Loudoun. She still didn't give any dates. (There is also an Evergreen Mills in Oklahoma.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > Tosca, > > Evergreen Mills is in Loudoun County, VA, south of Leesburg. > > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > > > | Patti, > | A time frame and the location of Evergreen Mills would help determine if > | your family came from VA. > | Tosca > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: <PattiB9460@aol.com> > | To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 4:34 PM > | Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Francis > | > | > | > My g-grandfather's second wife was Minnie Francis Johnston, of Evergreen > | > Mills. She was the daughter of James Johnston and Mariah (I believe) > | > Francis. > | > I do not know much about this family. Did they come from Virginia? > | > Patti > | > > | > > | > ************** > | > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > | > > | > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > | > Call. 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If someone else is working on this Francis/Johnston line, I have additional information which I sent directly to Patti that I can share. That information includes the item below from a soon to be published series on The Times newspapers in Loudoun from the later 1800's. Thursday, 20 June 1901 Vol. XLVI, No. 2 Marriage is announced of Miss Minnie Francis Johnston and Dr. James T. Jones, to take place Thursday, June 13, at 922 New York Ave., Washington DC. Will make their home at Ashburn. Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Francis/Johnston > Sorry, I meant for this to go to the list too. I find the Johnston's hard > to trace as you have to look at all the Johnson's also. If this helps > someone, it is certainly worth the time it takes to type it. > > Betty > > Tosca, > > Don't worry about me being away. I have my computer and most of my > information has been entered. I have to admit, what I have entered in the > last five years or so is much better documented than what I entered > earlier. If you want a print-out of the Francis line I will be happy to > send it to you. > > Evergreen Mill Road still exists in Loudoun County. It leaves Rt 15 west > of Leesburg and runs through an area that was originally Elgin land among > others. My grandmother grew up on the east side of the road, across from > where the Shumates lived and also across from what was then Sycolin > school. The school is no longer there. The Johnstons did live in this > area. I will have to check as to where. This family is definitely from > Loudoun County, VA. > > About the Johnston's: > > James Johnston (1779-1853), b. Loudoun Co, VA, m. Mary [?]. James d. 19 > Aug 1853 in Bloomfield, Loudoun Co and was buried in the Old Bethesda > Methodist Cemetery near Unison, Loudoun County. Their children: > > Sarah b. 24 Sep 1779-d. 9 Dec 1928, m. William H. Gill c.27 Nov 1854 > (This was the date their license was issued.) I have 2 sons, 1 > daughter > > John b. c. 1832 -Shown as 18 on the 1850 census. I have no further > record of this child. > > James W. b. c.1833, m. Maria Clayton Francis. I do not have a date for > his marriage or death. Their children: > Anna Lillian b. 1 Jan 1865, all I have is 'died young' > > Marie Francis b. 8 Jul 1871-d. 10 Feb 1941, m. Dr. James Tasker > Jones. (I only have one marriage for both of them) Their children: > Irma Rowena Jones - That's all I have > Mary Elaine Jones - That's all I have. > Egbert Johnston Jones b. 16 Feb 1904-d. 5 Aug 1913 of > appendicitis. Buried Union Cemetery, Leesburg. > > Annie Ethel b. 8 Jun 1875 > James W. Johnston Jr - I have no date for his birth-d. 4 Oct 1935 > m. Mamie Eastwood That's all I have. > > Mary Rosalie - I have no date for her birth > Thomas Montalie - I have no date for his birth, m. Pauline Fogg. > They had a son Leo. That's all I have. > > John Roland - I have no date for his birth, m. Agnes Crawford > Gale. Three sons Gale, Roland, and Thomas William. That's all I have. > > Mary C. b. c.1834-d. 1838 > > James appears on the 1850 census in Loudoun County. > > Now about the Francis family: > > Maria Clayton Francis b. c. 1835, was the daughter of John > Francis(1800-1859) and Alfrena Maddux(1804-1842) She is my 2nd cousin 3 > times removed. Thank you TMG. > > John Francis was the son of William Enoch Francis mentioned in an earlier > email, and Ann Dulin. He is my 1st cousin 4 times removed. > > My eyes are going cross-eyed and my husband is complaining. I am going to > bed. I will get back to this tomorrow. > > Betty

Is this Thomas Beavers related to Polly Beavers who married a Smallwood? Thanks for any input. -----Original Message----- From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gary W Watson Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:35 PM To: valoudou-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [VALOUDOU] Thomas Beavers d 1770 in Loudoun County, VA Does anyone have a complete transcript of his Thomas Beavers will dated 1770 that they would be willing to share? ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not me. Gary, did you ever live in IL? As a youngster in early grade school, 2nd to maybe the 5th grade, I rode my bike with a Gary Watson. Just a hunch. -Greg On Jan 27, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Gary W Watson wrote: > Does anyone have a complete transcript of his Thomas Beavers will > dated 1770 that they would be willing to share? > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" > Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and > tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message