Hi Sue, My name is Donna.? I was just replying to your address change.? We have not corresponded, but I have also been doing some research in the Loudoun, VA area.? The names in my family are:? Jenkins, Moffett, Forsyth.? Just thought I'd touch base because you never know where our lines may cross. Donna Hamcke -----Original Message----- From: Sue Beach <sdbeach22@gmail.com> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:47 pm Subject: [VALOUDOU] Email address change After more than 10 years, I am changing my email address. Old address: sbeach@iquest.net New address: sdbeach22@gmail.com Those of you with whom I correspond, please change your address books. It was a hard choice to make since I have so many documents and queries on-line using my old address. By posting this message & having it appear in the archives, I hope that future researchers can still find me. Sue Beach searching for BRADEN, JENNERS, WRIGHT in Loudoun Co., VA, New Jersey, Indiana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Sorry - I'm not going to be of much help - but I can rule out some things. I've rented the Minister's Returns (LDS films 2167844 & 2167845) for Shenandoah County, VA - and I scanned the early ones whether they pertained to me or not. and I didn't find an BRADENs there. There IS one more film in this set (1772-1877 all mixed up) though. the only other reference I have is this book "Records of Indentured Servants and of Certificates for Land Northumberland County , VA 1650-1795" by Preston Haynie which DOES have an Richard BRADEN, but its in 1730, and not on your list of people. Here it is, just in case you don't have it. p267 - 1628. 17 Feb 1730/31 - Richard BRADEN, Servant of James FARNED, haveing Run away from his said Master five months & 8 Days and his master being at the expence of man and horse Six Days in Retakeing him at 30 pounds of Tobo p Day, ordered that the said BRADEN Repay his said Master by Service according to Law afer his Indented time is expired with Costs. OB 1729-37, 29. Sorry, I can't be of more help Julie in CA Sue Beach <sdbeach22@gmail.com> wrote: I have accounted for most of the BRADENs in Loudoun Co. pre 1860. There are, however, a few that I have not yet been able to attach to any of the BRADEN family groups in the area. Any help with these 'strays' would be appreciated. Jane BRADEN married John HOUGH before 24 Aug 1788 probably in Loudoun Co. She left a will dated 15 May 1831. William Steer & William T. Hough were executors. Will was probated 13 June 1831. Known children: Charles (m. Mary Gore), Ann (m. Elijah Peacock), Rebecca, Elizabeth, Jane (m. John Woolford), Mary (m. John Wesley Jackson), John (m Elizabeth ?), Harriet Ellen (m. Curtiss Grubb), William T. (m. Louisa Bowersett). She also left money to Rehobeth Meeting. Need to determine Jane's parents. Thomas S. BRADEN is shown as a resident of Shelburn Parish in 1830. I have no futher information on him. Mary BRADEN married Stephen BALL 10 Apr 1809 in Loudoun Co. Mahlon Janney affirmed her age. They had a daughter, Charlotte BALL. Stephen died 1819. Mary died ca 1849. Need her parents to place her in correct family group. Mary P. BRADEN married Samuel GRIGG probably in Loudoun Co. She was born ca 1780. She died in Tennessee about Aug. 1860. Her father may have been a John BRADEN who married a Sarah. Pressy BRADEN born ca 1845, appears on the 1850 Loudoun Census living with a family named HOOF. There were 3 other people in the household, all over 60, none named BRADEN. Any clues would be helpful. Thanks. Sue Beach ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

I have a question about the land around loudoun co. Va. My 3rd great grandfatherConrad Shaffer1745-1818-20 sold land to Fredrick Lampert the 15 of sept.1798. a tract of land situated on thecatoctan in loudoun co. and begining at lott where william freymeirs lives to stones on george meiers laneand corner to land sold josiah clapham then along line to stones northside of buckhorn runthen to stake on rock hill to dividing fence between amont and brell (?) then along line of amont's lott. this is the first land. ( the second as follows ) Conrad's Plantation from henry astley bennett to conrad shaffer 13 april 1793 land laying on the catoctan,in loudoun co.va. viz begining at a black oakonthe east sideof the ferry west corner to col. clapham's land ont he road then down along said road and the line of clapham's land ---poles, then west 54 poles in said road about 10 ft. to the left of a red oak marked as a corner, then south 10, e. 74 poles to a stake on the west side of the road then ---1- poles to a stake in the line of jacob cordell's lot, then along said line no 3, e.3272 (?) poles to a stake in the mouth(?) of said shaver's and cordell's lane. then along another line of cordell's lot so. --- 60 poles to an oak corner to davis lott, then along his line n. 15 -- poles to a pile of stones in line of ammon's lott, then n. 55 w. 30 poles to a white oak in ammon's lane then alonganother of his lines n. 59 w. 1251/2 poles to begining , containing 98 acres, being land conveyed to conrad shaver by notice of saleto be in alexanderand baltimore gazettes.signed by conrad shaver in very german handwriting. is there a way to figure out where this land is located and is there old style land maps i could buy with the acres marked Thanks Dick Shafer djs309@mchsi.com

First, I want to say "Hello" to my cousins, genealogy friends, and all other list members. This is my return to this list after about a 10 year absence. (Geez, time flies) My brickwall is Mary Taylor who married Joseph Walker, son Benjamin and Sophia Van Horn Walker, on 28 Apr 1803, in Loudoun County by Rev. Littlejohn. Seeking the parents of Mary and her children. Only know child was her daughter Catherine Ann. Catherine married Jesse James Tavenner and died in Van Wert Co., Ohio. Other children may be Elizabeth who married Roswell O'Dell, Alfred and at least one other son, possibly named Daniel. No idea when or where Mary died. Joseph left Loudoun County and moved to Licking Co., Ohio sometime after 1830, then moved on to Hardin Co., Ohio and then Marion Co., Ohio by the 1840's. Probably living in Grand Prairie Twp., Marion Co. Ohio in 1850. No know information on him after that. Thanks! Patrick Tavenner tavner@juno.com Surnames: Tavenner (+ var.), Roach, Janney, Walker, Taylor, Brown, Sands, Van Horn, Beavers, Swarts, Beekman _____________________________________________________________ Click to make millions by owning your own franchise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m6ePHq2dDO2Zj5XAwE5N0VCYu2DVE054NRVw1u0HPQq3Sy6/

I have accounted for most of the BRADENs in Loudoun Co. pre 1860. There are, however, a few that I have not yet been able to attach to any of the BRADEN family groups in the area. Any help with these 'strays' would be appreciated. Jane BRADEN married John HOUGH before 24 Aug 1788 probably in Loudoun Co. She left a will dated 15 May 1831. William Steer & William T. Hough were executors. Will was probated 13 June 1831. Known children: Charles (m. Mary Gore), Ann (m. Elijah Peacock), Rebecca, Elizabeth, Jane (m. John Woolford), Mary (m. John Wesley Jackson), John (m Elizabeth ?), Harriet Ellen (m. Curtiss Grubb), William T. (m. Louisa Bowersett). She also left money to Rehobeth Meeting. Need to determine Jane's parents. Thomas S. BRADEN is shown as a resident of Shelburn Parish in 1830. I have no futher information on him. Mary BRADEN married Stephen BALL 10 Apr 1809 in Loudoun Co. Mahlon Janney affirmed her age. They had a daughter, Charlotte BALL. Stephen died 1819. Mary died ca 1849. Need her parents to place her in correct family group. Mary P. BRADEN married Samuel GRIGG probably in Loudoun Co. She was born ca 1780. She died in Tennessee about Aug. 1860. Her father may have been a John BRADEN who married a Sarah. Pressy BRADEN born ca 1845, appears on the 1850 Loudoun Census living with a family named HOOF. There were 3 other people in the household, all over 60, none named BRADEN. Any clues would be helpful. Thanks. Sue Beach

Thank you all very much for the info on Isaiah Young.

First page number is that of the source; page number in parentheses is the page in *Apprentices....* >From the section Records found in Court Order Books: p101 9 Apr 1793 John Beavers, 18 yrs old 13 Dec 1792, to Silas Reese, to be a blacksmith Loose Papers: son of Mary Philips (p 57) 9:358 13 May 1845 America Poland, coloured, 5 yrs old 25 Mar 1846 to Thomas Beavers to be a housekeeper. Loose Papers: child of white mother, indenture found G:229 13 Mar 1780 Vincent Manly to William Beavers (p31) Q:243 14 Sep 1795 William Beavers, 3 yrs old 12 May 1795 to Thomas Flood (book incorrectly shows 1796 on this page) (p62) 2:429 12 Jun 1809 Lynna, a free black girl 4 yrs old, to William Beavers (p95) >From the section Indentures on File: 12 Dec 1836 Charles Gant, bastard mulatto of free parents, 7 yrs old 7 Mar 1836, to John Beavers, to be a farmer (p142) 13 Feb 1835 James Gaskins, black boy, 18 yrs old 18 Feb 1834, to John Beavers, to be a farmer (p 143) 12 Dec 1836 Henry M McPherson, free negro bastard, 6 yrs old 24 Jun 1836 to John Beavers to be a farmer (p145) 12 Dec 1836 Peter William McPherson, free negro 7 yrs old 13 May 1836 to John Beavers to be a farmer (p145) 13 Feb 1835 William Williams, mulatto, 4 yrs old 8 Aug 1834, to John Beavers, to be a farmer (p148) 14 Nov 1837 John Thomas Skinner, bastard, 9 yrs old 10 Nov 1837 to John A Beavers, to be a farmer (p147) 16 Nov 1838 Nancy Mason, free coloured bastard, 4 yrs old 16 Apr 1838, to Washington Beavers to be a houskeeper (p144) >From the section Bastard Children: 13 Aug 1798 Sarah Halbert - female b 22 Apr 1799 at the house of Robert Beavers. Robert Cooper adjudged father, to pay 6 pounds per yr for 4 yrs. Sept 1800 - thereupon Robert Cooper married Sarah Halbert (p154) Hope this helps. Sue Beach On Sun, Feb 3, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Gary W Watson <watsgw1155@yahoo.com> wrote: > Looking for any reference to the Beavers family in Apprentices, Poor > Children and Bastards of Loudoun County, VA by Louisa Skinner Hutchison. > Book is now out of print. Thank you. > > >

Per Heritage Quest 1880 VA LOUDOUN MERCER DIST Series: T9 Roll: 1375 Page: 448 6/28/1850 by J. L. Simpson Dwg 338 Fam 338 Young, Isah S. W M 30 Head Md Works on Farm VA VA VA Young, Frances L. W F 28 Wife Md Keeping House MD MD MD Young, Howard W M 6 Son Sgl At Home VA VA MD Young, Hennie? W F 5 Dau Sgl At Home VA VA MD Young, Florence W F 3 Dau Sgl At Home VA VA MD Young, John W M 1 Son Sgl At Home VA VA MD Young, Edith W F 3/12ths b Mar Sgl At Home VA VA MD Tolbert?, Wm. Mu M 12 Servant Sgl Servant VA VA MD This will be a start for you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge" <msealock@mchsi.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Isaiah Young > Well one brick wall is Lavenia Riley born about 1890 (daughter of Elijah > Riley ca 1838 and Elizabeth Conner ca 1840) who married Isaiah Young born > 1850. Isaiah had several children by his first wife but I can't find any > thing on them either. > > Lavenia and Isaiah Young had a daughter Drucilla who married twice the > second husband was a Leonard. If any one has any info - even on the first > family I would appreciate it. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am interested in the book from the author standpoint. I don't think I have anyone mentioned in it, but if there were they would be Hutchison, Gordon or Rowan. I have Hutchison in my line of research from Loudoun County. That would be Agnes Hutchison who married James Rowan. Agnes was the daughter of James and Jane (Humphries) Hutchison. How long ago was this book published? The author was a Hutchison by marriage. Who did she marry? Thanks Pat. You always come thru for me. Estelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Duncan" <GenNutLdn@msn.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor Children & Bastards, Loudoun County,VA Lookup Request > That book is one of many listed on the Loudoun Co. USGENWEB site for > volunteer lookups. > >>From "Apprentices, Bastards and Poor Children of Loudoun Co Va 1757-1850" >>by > Hutchison: > > Note that the book and page references usually refer to Order and Minute > Books. > > G:229 13 Mar 1780 Vincent MANLY to William BEAVERS > > P:101 9 Apr 1793 John BEAVERS, 18 yrs old 13 Dec 1792, to Silas REESE, to > be a blacksmith Loose Papers: son of Mary Philips > > Q:243 14 Sep 1795 William BEAVERS, 3 yrs old 12 May 1795, to Thomas FLOOD, > (book incorrectly shows 1796 on this page) > > 2:429 12 Jun 1809 Lynna, a free black girl 4 yrs old, to William BEAVERS > > 9:358 13 May 1845 America POLAND, coloured, 5 yrs old 25 Mar 1846, to > Thomas BEAVERS, to be a housekeeper > Loose Papers: child of white mother, indenture found > > 12 Dec 1836 Charles GANT, bastard mulatto of free parents, 7 yrs old 7 Mar > 1836, to John BEAVERS, to be a farmer > > 13 Feb 1835 James GASKINS, black boy, 18 yrs old 18 Feb 1834, to John > BEAVERS, to be a farmer > > 16 Nov 1838 Nancy MASON, free coloured bastard, 4 yrs old 16 Apr 1838, to > Washington BEAVERS, to be a housekeeper > > 12 Dec 1836 Henry M. MCPHERSON, free negro bastard, 6 yrs old 24 Jun 1836, > to John BEAVERS, to be a farmer > > 12 Dec 1836 Peter William MCPHERSON, free negro 7 yrs old 13 May 1836, to > John BEAVERS, to be a farmer > > 14 Nov 1837 John Thomas SKINNER, bastard, 9 yrs old 10 Nov 1837, to John > A. BEAVERS, to be a farmer > > 13 Feb 1835 William WILLIAMS, mulatto, 4 yrs old 8 Aug 1834, to John > BEAVERS, to be a farmer > > > Pat Duncan > GenNutLdn@msn.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary W Watson" <watsgw1155@yahoo.com> > To: <valoudou-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:13 PM > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor Children & Bastards, Loudoun > County,VA Lookup Request > > >> Looking for any reference to the Beavers family in Apprentices, Poor >> Children and Bastards of Loudoun County, VA by Louisa Skinner Hutchison. >> Book is now out of print. Thank you. >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gary: Do you own the book? If so, I would like to have you check a few references. Thanks, Estelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary W Watson" <watsgw1155@yahoo.com> To: <valoudou-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor Children & Bastards, Loudoun County,VA Lookup Request > Looking for any reference to the Beavers family in Apprentices, Poor > Children and Bastards of Loudoun County, VA by Louisa Skinner Hutchison. > Book is now out of print. Thank you. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Contact me off line. I have a copy of the book and am willing to scan pages for you. There are quite a few Beaver names. Carol Adams, Houston, Tx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary W Watson" <watsgw1155@yahoo.com> To: <valoudou-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor Children & Bastards, Loudoun County,VA Lookup Request > Looking for any reference to the Beavers family in Apprentices, Poor > Children and Bastards of Loudoun County, VA by Louisa Skinner Hutchison. > Book is now out of print. Thank you. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, that was Mrs. Louisa Skinner Hutchison who wrote the book, published in 2000 by Willow Bend Books. Mrs. Hutchison formerly worked at the Courthouse in Leesburg. She still lives in Loudoun County but does not use a computer so she is not on the Internet. There are several Hutchisons so it would be best to be more specific in name or time period. The only Gorden and Rowan entries are: 7:109 14 Dec 1813 Charles GORDEN to William KING, to be a boot and shoe maker V:269 11 May 1802 Sally HUET, 3 yrs old 9 Jan 1802, to George ROWAN Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "E&B Gordon" <redtop03@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor Children & Bastards, Loudoun County,VA Lookup Request > I am interested in the book from the author standpoint. I don't think I > have anyone mentioned in it, but if there were they would be Hutchison, > Gordon or Rowan. > > I have Hutchison in my line of research from Loudoun County. That would > be > Agnes Hutchison who married James Rowan. Agnes was the daughter of James > and Jane (Humphries) Hutchison. > > How long ago was this book published? The author was a Hutchison by > marriage. Who did she marry? > > Thanks Pat. You always come thru for me. > Estelle

That book is one of many listed on the Loudoun Co. USGENWEB site for volunteer lookups. >From "Apprentices, Bastards and Poor Children of Loudoun Co Va 1757-1850" by Hutchison: Note that the book and page references usually refer to Order and Minute Books. G:229 13 Mar 1780 Vincent MANLY to William BEAVERS P:101 9 Apr 1793 John BEAVERS, 18 yrs old 13 Dec 1792, to Silas REESE, to be a blacksmith Loose Papers: son of Mary Philips Q:243 14 Sep 1795 William BEAVERS, 3 yrs old 12 May 1795, to Thomas FLOOD, (book incorrectly shows 1796 on this page) 2:429 12 Jun 1809 Lynna, a free black girl 4 yrs old, to William BEAVERS 9:358 13 May 1845 America POLAND, coloured, 5 yrs old 25 Mar 1846, to Thomas BEAVERS, to be a housekeeper Loose Papers: child of white mother, indenture found 12 Dec 1836 Charles GANT, bastard mulatto of free parents, 7 yrs old 7 Mar 1836, to John BEAVERS, to be a farmer 13 Feb 1835 James GASKINS, black boy, 18 yrs old 18 Feb 1834, to John BEAVERS, to be a farmer 16 Nov 1838 Nancy MASON, free coloured bastard, 4 yrs old 16 Apr 1838, to Washington BEAVERS, to be a housekeeper 12 Dec 1836 Henry M. MCPHERSON, free negro bastard, 6 yrs old 24 Jun 1836, to John BEAVERS, to be a farmer 12 Dec 1836 Peter William MCPHERSON, free negro 7 yrs old 13 May 1836, to John BEAVERS, to be a farmer 14 Nov 1837 John Thomas SKINNER, bastard, 9 yrs old 10 Nov 1837, to John A. BEAVERS, to be a farmer 13 Feb 1835 William WILLIAMS, mulatto, 4 yrs old 8 Aug 1834, to John BEAVERS, to be a farmer Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary W Watson" <watsgw1155@yahoo.com> To: <valoudou-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor Children & Bastards, Loudoun County,VA Lookup Request > Looking for any reference to the Beavers family in Apprentices, Poor > Children and Bastards of Loudoun County, VA by Louisa Skinner Hutchison. > Book is now out of print. Thank you. >

Well one brick wall is Lavenia Riley born about 1890 (daughter of Elijah Riley ca 1838 and Elizabeth Conner ca 1840) who married Isaiah Young born 1850. Isaiah had several children by his first wife but I can't find any thing on them either. Lavenia and Isaiah Young had a daughter Drucilla who married twice the second husband was a Leonard. If any one has any info - even on the first family I would appreciate it.

Looking for any reference to the Beavers family in Apprentices, Poor Children and Bastards of Loudoun County, VA by Louisa Skinner Hutchison. Book is now out of print. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

It is the first Sunday of the month and time to dust off the ol' "Brick Wall." Looking for additional information about the Mordica McPherson, Sebastian McPherson and descendents who appear on the following Loudoun Co. Personal Property Tax Lists: 1789 - Mordica McPherson and Sebastian McPherson 1790 - Mordica McPherson, Jno. McPherson, and Sebastian McPherson 1791 - Mordica McPherson, Jno. McPherson, Sibastian McPherson, and Johnson Goins 1792 - John McPherson, M. McPherson, S. McPherson, and Aquilla Ogden 1793 - John McPherson, Moses McPherson, Aquilla Ogden and S. McPherson 1794 - Moredock McPherson, John McPherson, and Sebastian McPherson 1795-1977 - Sebastinan/Sebastian McPherson 1827A-1830B McPherson, Sebastian 1831A-1832B McPherson, Sebastian & son Noah 1834A McPherson, Sebastian 1837A-1841A McPherson, Sabastion/Sebastian >From the Fairfax Co. Personal Property Tax Lists: 1798C - 1823B - McPherson, Sabastion/Sebastian 1823B, 1825B - McPherson, Sebastian & son Wm. Sebastian McPherson appears on the 1810 Fairfax Co. Va Census with 5 children, and on the 1820 Fairfax Co. Census, Truro Parish, as Sabastine McPherson. A Sebastian McPherson appears in Loudoun on the 1830 and 1840 Census. Sebastian's daughter Catharine married Samuel Ball in 1832 in Loudoun. His daughter, Cynthia, married I. Comstock in 1825 in Fairfax Co. A Sebastian McPherson married a Sally Felby on 25 May 1836 in Loudoun, bond by E. Thompson. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com<mailto:GenNutLdn@msn.com>

No, I have not found any name other than Enoch Francis. Another researcher gave me that information and was so positive it was true that I added the William. Eventually I will remember his name, or get home the 1st of May where I can look it up. I do not believe there is any listing under anything other than Enoch, unless someone has a Family Bible that states differently. Now there is a second Enoch Francis, the son of Thomas, who is listed on the 1850 census as Wm Enoch Francis. He was born in 1832. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Fw: Re Francis Family | Attn: Patti and Betty, and others. These are the emails I got back from Pam Sarno in the past couple of days. She answers some of our questions. Sorry I didn't get to this this morning but I got sidetracked; it is easy to do! | Tosca | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Pam Sarno | To: Tosca | Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:37 PM | Subject: RE: Re Francis Family | | | Tosca, | There probably are records about the Huey family in the Monthly Meeting minutes, but I have not had time yet to look into them. They attended the Birmingham Meeting House in Chester Co. | | Yes, we also believe that Thomas Francis married Leanna Gulick after Mary Huey died. | | Do you have any sources for the name William Enoch. In the Rev War statement he signs Enoch Francis. I am trying to find a place where the name William Enoch is used (tax roll, land deed, marriage record, etc). I see it on family trees online, but can't figure out where it came from. | | Pam | -----Original Message----- | From: Tosca [mailto:tkwhsimms@hovac.com] | Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:00 PM | To: Pam Sarno | Cc: PattiB9460@aol.com | Subject: Re Francis Family | | | Pam, | Thanks for the reply. I'm certain Patti will love having the file... since she is definitely connected to this family. Hopefully she can answer your questions about Betty Sue/Little Irma and give you a last name as well. | | If Mary Huey was a Quaker, then there should be more data on her from Monthly Meetings, right? | | Also, do you think it is possible that after Mary Huey died, Thomas remarried Leanna Gulick in 1826, or not? Betty Frain and I have been wondering that. Have you been following that discussion? | | I thank you so much for your contributions to my file on Thomas and William Enoch. | | Tosca | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Pam Sarno | To: Tosca ; PattiB9460@aol.com | Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Subject: RE: Writing Offlist -- Re Francis Family | | | Hi, | | It is interesting to hear from you now since I recently read A Francis Tree by Maria Clayton Francis Johnston, Minnie's mother. I am happy to share the Thomas Francis Rev War statements. This includes a statement from his brother Enoch, who was Maria's grandfather (Minnie's g grandfather) The Notes are mine, collections of references from other books and my personal observations. | | I would like to know more about Little Irma, is her given name Betty Sue? Betty Sue is the only name listed as a child of Irma Rowena Jones in the Francis Tree book. I live not far from the MD eastern shore. | | The Francis Tree book also lists Thomas and William Enoch's father as "Thomas Francis of Wales". But, there is nothing documenting this statement. The research we have done makes it seem more likely that their father was John Francis. This is from Pikeland Twp, Chester Co, PA tax records. Do you have any evidence about who their father was? The Rev War statements give the most clues I have found because their birth dates and place are specific. The tax rolls for Pikeland show Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr during 1765-1787. Enoch or William Enoch is never listed. But there are nearby names listed who match names referred to as neighbors in the Rev War statement, so I think this Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr are the right Francis family. | | If the Francis were true Scotch-Irish then they were Presbyterians. Or, they could have been Welch Baptists. The Thomas Francis family and descendents were Baptists at least by the 1830s. Thomas Francis wife, Mary Huey, was definitely from a Quaker family in Chester Co. | | Will be happy to answer any questions - if I can. | Pam Sarno | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. | To contact Listowner: | Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Search this list's archived messages! | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Attn: Patti and Betty, and others. These are the emails I got back from Pam Sarno in the past couple of days. She answers some of our questions. Sorry I didn't get to this this morning but I got sidetracked; it is easy to do! Tosca ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam Sarno To: Tosca Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: RE: Re Francis Family Tosca, There probably are records about the Huey family in the Monthly Meeting minutes, but I have not had time yet to look into them. They attended the Birmingham Meeting House in Chester Co. Yes, we also believe that Thomas Francis married Leanna Gulick after Mary Huey died. Do you have any sources for the name William Enoch. In the Rev War statement he signs Enoch Francis. I am trying to find a place where the name William Enoch is used (tax roll, land deed, marriage record, etc). I see it on family trees online, but can't figure out where it came from. Pam -----Original Message----- From: Tosca [mailto:tkwhsimms@hovac.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:00 PM To: Pam Sarno Cc: PattiB9460@aol.com Subject: Re Francis Family Pam, Thanks for the reply. I'm certain Patti will love having the file... since she is definitely connected to this family. Hopefully she can answer your questions about Betty Sue/Little Irma and give you a last name as well. If Mary Huey was a Quaker, then there should be more data on her from Monthly Meetings, right? Also, do you think it is possible that after Mary Huey died, Thomas remarried Leanna Gulick in 1826, or not? Betty Frain and I have been wondering that. Have you been following that discussion? I thank you so much for your contributions to my file on Thomas and William Enoch. Tosca ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam Sarno To: Tosca ; PattiB9460@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: RE: Writing Offlist -- Re Francis Family Hi, It is interesting to hear from you now since I recently read A Francis Tree by Maria Clayton Francis Johnston, Minnie's mother. I am happy to share the Thomas Francis Rev War statements. This includes a statement from his brother Enoch, who was Maria's grandfather (Minnie's g grandfather) The Notes are mine, collections of references from other books and my personal observations. I would like to know more about Little Irma, is her given name Betty Sue? Betty Sue is the only name listed as a child of Irma Rowena Jones in the Francis Tree book. I live not far from the MD eastern shore. The Francis Tree book also lists Thomas and William Enoch's father as "Thomas Francis of Wales". But, there is nothing documenting this statement. The research we have done makes it seem more likely that their father was John Francis. This is from Pikeland Twp, Chester Co, PA tax records. Do you have any evidence about who their father was? The Rev War statements give the most clues I have found because their birth dates and place are specific. The tax rolls for Pikeland show Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr during 1765-1787. Enoch or William Enoch is never listed. But there are nearby names listed who match names referred to as neighbors in the Rev War statement, so I think this Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr are the right Francis family. If the Francis were true Scotch-Irish then they were Presbyterians. Or, they could have been Welch Baptists. The Thomas Francis family and descendents were Baptists at least by the 1830s. Thomas Francis wife, Mary Huey, was definitely from a Quaker family in Chester Co. Will be happy to answer any questions - if I can. Pam Sarno

In a message dated 1/30/08 11:15:46 PM, tkwhsimms@hovac.com writes: > Did you by chance ever see "The Cymry of  "76: or Welshmen & Their > Descendants" wherein it states that Enoch Francis and Benjamin Francis, father and > son, were also eminent preachers."  (speaking about Baptist ministers who came > to America.)  And further speaking about "Ten ministers of this family > connexion; about eight from Enoch Francis: there were Timothy Thomas, and his > brothers Joshua and Zachariah; and of their descendants, ten or twelve more." > > Is this perhaps why you thought that Wales might be involved?  Since then I > have seen a World Connect file by Kim Browlee that says Thomas's father was > Thomas Francis, emigrated from Wales (no source.)  > > I just received an email from Pam Sarno and she says: >   "The Francis Tree book also lists Thomas and William Enoch's father as > "Thomas Francis of Wales".  But, there is nothing documenting this statement.  > The research we have done makes it seem more likely that their father was John > Francis.  This is from Pikeland Twp, Chester Co, PA tax records.  Do you > have any evidence about who their father was?  The Rev War statements give the > most clues I have found because their birth dates and place are specific.  The > tax rolls for Pikeland show Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr during 1765-1787.  > Enoch or William Enoch is never listed.  But there are nearby names listed > who match names referred to as neighbors in the Rev War statement, so I think > this Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr  are the right Francis family. >   If the Francis were true Scotch-Irish then they were Presbyterians.  Or, > they could have been Welch Baptists.  The Thomas Francis family and > descendents were Baptists at least by the 1830s.  Thomas Francis wife, Mary Huey, was > definitely from a Quaker family in Chester Co." > > Pam also had sent me her transcription of Thomas Francis' Rev War file.  Do > you have that? > I'm sure she would be happy to allow me to send it to you if you dont. > > Woudl there be Quaker records in PA that might tell us more? > > Respectfully, > Tosca > > ps I just got another email from Pam but will wait until tomorrow morning to > send it to you. >   It refers to Quaker records and Leanna Gulick!  Bedtime! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:49 AM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain > > > Good morning Tosca, > > Yes, I am still in SC until May 1, and almost all my books and research are > in Maryland. Oh well. > > I want to include two things. First is the following memo from my notes: > In notes from Aunt Nell, she states that Enoch Francis lived at Goose Creek > Bridge, and built the covered bridge where the Dulins used to live. His son > John kept the toll gate house. > > This memo is from my grandmother's sister. They all grew up in Loudoun and > knew members of the Francis family. > > The second is a message I received from Marty this AM and my reply. I hope > she doesn't mind my putting it up.: > > > >   Dear Betty, > >   It was late last night when you and Tosca were writing, but I think a > gremlin crept in.  Do you really think Wm E. Francis, born before 1778, had > a "brother" Thomas born in 1806?  Perhaps a half-brother, with a much > younger mother, but even that is stretching it a bit. > >   Maybe the first son Thomas, b. 1803, died and the second man with the same > name, born 1806, was another son. > >   If this second Thomas really was born in Wales, he is more likely a cousin > of some variety, don't you think? > >   Food for thought, > >   Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG >   Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board > for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program > of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the > Board’s associates. > > Actually, both dates are 'say' dates, based on 20 years before their > marriages. If the birth date for Thomas is correct, he was only 39 at the > time of his death. Their is lots of room there for Thomas to be much older > than a dob of 1806 would indicate. I don't have any idea where William Enoch > Francis was born. He could also have been born in Wales. I do not have this > well documented. Some is from my Aunt Nell's (grandmother's sister) notes, > and some is from a Francis descendent. > > > I did goof. Woke up thinking about it this morning. I think I indicated that > Ann and Rebecca, wife of John Dulin did not go west. That should have read > Ann Dulin married to Enoch Francis, and John Dulin married to Rebecca Elgin. > > Thanks for the thought provoking message. I think I will put this on the > Loudoun list with both messages included. > > Betty > I think it is quite possible for Leanna to be Thomas' second wife. I do not > know anything that would make that impossible. I also do not know anything > to prove that. ;-) > > I think I missed two sons of Enoch when I was writing last night, Edward > married Ann Wildman, and Lewis married Elmira Norton. I do not have dob for > them. > > BTW, Ann Dulin is my 3rd great grandaunt. > > I am trying to remember who sent me a lot of the Francis info. When it comes > back to me I will let you know. He is not on line so he won't pipe up here. > > > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> > To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain > > > | Hi Betty, > | I need to go to bed as it is 11 pm already, but,  do you happen to know > the > | date of this: > | Loudoun Co Will Index:  Francis, Enoch  Inv- 2C 30;   Acct 2A- 386 & 138, > | and Accts 2D 280   Accts  2C 317. > | I am sorry that I dont even know where I got that info!  Possibly from my > | closest "fellow researcher" who made a list of all sorts of records at the > | Loudoun Courthouse for us. > | > | There have been many postings about Thomas Francis of Chester, PA b 1759 > who > | married Mary Huey 1786, who happened to die in 1823.  It is claimed by > some > | of the researchers that he is the one who died abt Aug 31 1845.  They had > | two daughters Mary Ann (Edward Wilson and at least 4 children-Edward > | Francis, Mary Ellen, Andrew J. and Sarah Virginia) and Elizabeth (John G. > | Myers, dau Elizabeth Frances b Upperville, Loudoun Co, VA 1823.) > | > | Al Fechlia's book  "Francis History of Fauquier, Co, VA"  speaks of Andrew > | Francis, of Maryland? and then Fauquier with sons Alexander (Millicent Ann > | Lovelace) went to MD, Margaret (the only female proven as she is buried > next > | to or in plot of Broad Run Baptist Cemetery, New Baltimore, Fauquier Co, > Va, > | belonging to Andrew Francis, Jr.), Thomas b abt 1765 (Mary ??, of Fauquier > | with a son William Enoch b abt 1782), Joseph (Sibella/Sabitha Holmes, of > | Fauquier), William, Patrick Henry (Sarah Cockrell and lots of children to > | WV), Henry (Rebecca) of Fauquier, and Andrew, Jr (Elizabeth Hume, many > | children, of Fauquier.) > | > | I have many references to E. and Enoch Francis in Fauquier Minute Books. > | One reference says E. Francis (Loudoun) > | I have only one Enoch Francis census record: > | 1820 VA LOUDOUN NO TWP LISTED  Series: M33  Roll: 137  P 143 > | Francis, Enoch     1M -10  2M 10-16  1M 16-18  2M 16-26  1M 45+   2F -10 > 1F > | 26-45    0 For'n   6 Agri > | > | Needless to say, I am thoroughly confused. > | > | Is it possible that Thomas Francis who was married to Mary Huey remarried > | Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co, 3 years after Mary's death?  How > do > | you know 1806 for his dates (1806-1845)?  If he immigrated from Wales, > that > | might lead us to William Enoch also being from Wales? > | > | I've got to go to bed - it is now 11:33.  I would love to stay up most > | evenings working on these puzzles, but need my sleep too! > | > | Any insight you can give me will help.  You are most gracious to have > | replied so quickly.  Are you still in SC, where Pat Duncan said you were? > | If so, have a good time while you are there. > | > | Tosca > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> > | To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> > | Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:21 PM > | Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain > | > | > | > Tosca, > | > > | > I just realized, WEF also had a brother Thomas Francis (b.1806-1845) He > | > married Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co. His will is in Loudoun. > I > | > have that he immigrated from Wales, but I do not have a date. > | > > | > Betty > | > > | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> > | > To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> > | > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 6:37 PM > | > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain > | > > | > > | > | Hi Betty, > | > | > | > | Could you please give me a short lesson? > | > | > | > | You have a (first cousin 4 times removed) William Enoch Francis > married > | > to > | > Ann Dulin. > | > | Could you please let me know his dob and place, his parents names if > you > | > know them, Ann's dob and her parents names? > | > | > | > | I think I have one b 1782 to Thomas and Mary, md to Ann Dulin > | > |    and one b 1766 w/no parents md to Ann Dulin. > | > | > | > | Thank you so very much. > | > | Tosca > | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hi, Tosca, Was interested in your comment about "if the Francis family were Scots-Irish, they were probably Presbyterian..." Hope I did not unwittingly contribute to that conclusion. To clarify, I believe the Johnstons probably were (Presbyterian) when they first immigrated, but if the Francis family was from Wales, it is more likely they were Baptists or who knows? Maybe Quakers. (Some of our family in Waterford, VA, were Quakers, but intermarried and were then "read out" of meeting. Many then became Methodists.) The Francis/Johnston family we are associated with were very involved in the Methodist Camp meetings of their day. I have a wonderful photo of many of this family at one of the "camp meetings," which also appeared in the Loudoun Museum several years ago. It seems they were a family of deep faith, from what I am reading on this list, and probably became involved in the era of the "Great Awakening" initiated by the Wesley brothers during our early American history. Thanks to all contributing to my knowledge of this fascinating family. Patti ************** Start the year off right. 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Did you by chance ever see "The Cymry of "76: or Welshmen & Their Descendants" wherein it states that Enoch Francis and Benjamin Francis, father and son, were also eminent preachers." (speaking about Baptist ministers who came to America.) And further speaking about "Ten ministers of this family connexion; about eight from Enoch Francis: there were Timothy Thomas, and his brothers Joshua and Zachariah; and of their descendants, ten or twelve more." Is this perhaps why you thought that Wales might be involved? Since then I have seen a World Connect file by Kim Browlee that says Thomas's father was Thomas Francis, emigrated from Wales (no source.) I just received an email from Pam Sarno and she says: "The Francis Tree book also lists Thomas and William Enoch's father as "Thomas Francis of Wales". But, there is nothing documenting this statement. The research we have done makes it seem more likely that their father was John Francis. This is from Pikeland Twp, Chester Co, PA tax records. Do you have any evidence about who their father was? The Rev War statements give the most clues I have found because their birth dates and place are specific. The tax rolls for Pikeland show Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr during 1765-1787. Enoch or William Enoch is never listed. But there are nearby names listed who match names referred to as neighbors in the Rev War statement, so I think this Thomas, John Sr. and John Jr are the right Francis family. If the Francis were true Scotch-Irish then they were Presbyterians. Or, they could have been Welch Baptists. The Thomas Francis family and descendents were Baptists at least by the 1830s. Thomas Francis wife, Mary Huey, was definitely from a Quaker family in Chester Co." Pam also had sent me her transcription of Thomas Francis' Rev War file. Do you have that? I'm sure she would be happy to allow me to send it to you if you dont. Woudl there be Quaker records in PA that might tell us more? Respectfully, Tosca ps I just got another email from Pam but will wait until tomorrow morning to send it to you. It refers to Quaker records and Leanna Gulick! Bedtime! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain Good morning Tosca, Yes, I am still in SC until May 1, and almost all my books and research are in Maryland. Oh well. I want to include two things. First is the following memo from my notes: In notes from Aunt Nell, she states that Enoch Francis lived at Goose Creek Bridge, and built the covered bridge where the Dulins used to live. His son John kept the toll gate house. This memo is from my grandmother's sister. They all grew up in Loudoun and knew members of the Francis family. The second is a message I received from Marty this AM and my reply. I hope she doesn't mind my putting it up.: Dear Betty, It was late last night when you and Tosca were writing, but I think a gremlin crept in. Do you really think Wm E. Francis, born before 1778, had a "brother" Thomas born in 1806? Perhaps a half-brother, with a much younger mother, but even that is stretching it a bit. Maybe the first son Thomas, b. 1803, died and the second man with the same name, born 1806, was another son. If this second Thomas really was born in Wales, he is more likely a cousin of some variety, don't you think? Food for thought, Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the Board’s associates. Actually, both dates are 'say' dates, based on 20 years before their marriages. If the birth date for Thomas is correct, he was only 39 at the time of his death. Their is lots of room there for Thomas to be much older than a dob of 1806 would indicate. I don't have any idea where William Enoch Francis was born. He could also have been born in Wales. I do not have this well documented. Some is from my Aunt Nell's (grandmother's sister) notes, and some is from a Francis descendent. I did goof. Woke up thinking about it this morning. I think I indicated that Ann and Rebecca, wife of John Dulin did not go west. That should have read Ann Dulin married to Enoch Francis, and John Dulin married to Rebecca Elgin. Thanks for the thought provoking message. I think I will put this on the Loudoun list with both messages included. Betty I think it is quite possible for Leanna to be Thomas' second wife. I do not know anything that would make that impossible. I also do not know anything to prove that. ;-) I think I missed two sons of Enoch when I was writing last night, Edward married Ann Wildman, and Lewis married Elmira Norton. I do not have dob for them. BTW, Ann Dulin is my 3rd great grandaunt. I am trying to remember who sent me a lot of the Francis info. When it comes back to me I will let you know. He is not on line so he won't pipe up here. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain | Hi Betty, | I need to go to bed as it is 11 pm already, but, do you happen to know the | date of this: | Loudoun Co Will Index: Francis, Enoch Inv- 2C 30; Acct 2A- 386 & 138, | and Accts 2D 280 Accts 2C 317. | I am sorry that I dont even know where I got that info! Possibly from my | closest "fellow researcher" who made a list of all sorts of records at the | Loudoun Courthouse for us. | | There have been many postings about Thomas Francis of Chester, PA b 1759 who | married Mary Huey 1786, who happened to die in 1823. It is claimed by some | of the researchers that he is the one who died abt Aug 31 1845. They had | two daughters Mary Ann (Edward Wilson and at least 4 children-Edward | Francis, Mary Ellen, Andrew J. and Sarah Virginia) and Elizabeth (John G. | Myers, dau Elizabeth Frances b Upperville, Loudoun Co, VA 1823.) | | Al Fechlia's book "Francis History of Fauquier, Co, VA" speaks of Andrew | Francis, of Maryland? and then Fauquier with sons Alexander (Millicent Ann | Lovelace) went to MD, Margaret (the only female proven as she is buried next | to or in plot of Broad Run Baptist Cemetery, New Baltimore, Fauquier Co, Va, | belonging to Andrew Francis, Jr.), Thomas b abt 1765 (Mary ??, of Fauquier | with a son William Enoch b abt 1782), Joseph (Sibella/Sabitha Holmes, of | Fauquier), William, Patrick Henry (Sarah Cockrell and lots of children to | WV), Henry (Rebecca) of Fauquier, and Andrew, Jr (Elizabeth Hume, many | children, of Fauquier.) | | I have many references to E. and Enoch Francis in Fauquier Minute Books. | One reference says E. Francis (Loudoun) | I have only one Enoch Francis census record: | 1820 VA LOUDOUN NO TWP LISTED Series: M33 Roll: 137 P 143 | Francis, Enoch 1M -10 2M 10-16 1M 16-18 2M 16-26 1M 45+ 2F -10 1F | 26-45 0 For'n 6 Agri | | Needless to say, I am thoroughly confused. | | Is it possible that Thomas Francis who was married to Mary Huey remarried | Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co, 3 years after Mary's death? How do | you know 1806 for his dates (1806-1845)? If he immigrated from Wales, that | might lead us to William Enoch also being from Wales? | | I've got to go to bed - it is now 11:33. I would love to stay up most | evenings working on these puzzles, but need my sleep too! | | Any insight you can give me will help. You are most gracious to have | replied so quickly. Are you still in SC, where Pat Duncan said you were? | If so, have a good time while you are there. | | Tosca | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Betty" <brfrain@comcast.net> | To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain | | | > Tosca, | > | > I just realized, WEF also had a brother Thomas Francis (b.1806-1845) He | > married Leannah Gulick 9 Feb 1826 in Loudoun Co. His will is in Loudoun. I | > have that he immigrated from Wales, but I do not have a date. | > | > Betty | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Tosca" <tkwhsimms@hovac.com> | > To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 6:37 PM | > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Attn: Betty Frain | > | > | > | Hi Betty, | > | | > | Could you please give me a short lesson? | > | | > | You have a (first cousin 4 times removed) William Enoch Francis married | > to | > Ann Dulin. | > | Could you please let me know his dob and place, his parents names if you | > know them, Ann's dob and her parents names? | > | | > | I think I have one b 1782 to Thomas and Mary, md to Ann Dulin | > | and one b 1766 w/no parents md to Ann Dulin. | > | | > | Thank you so very much. | > | Tosca | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll | > Call. 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Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. | To contact Listowner: | Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Search this list's archived messages! | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. 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