No mention of a Baldwin Harle in the Apprentices, Bastards, etc. book. I have abstracted only the earliest Fairfax County Order books, before 1760. I do have information from the Order Books beginning in 1783, but none from 1756-1783. Fairfax Co. Order Books - abstract on index cards: 23 Mar 1791, p. 413 - Baldwin Harle a witness for Sampson Trammell 2 days. Paid one pound to travel from Washington County 100 miles. A John Harle appears on several of these abstracts from 1783-87, with him as Plaintiff in suits for debts. >From the Fairfax Co. Personal Property Tax Lists 1782-1822: A List of the Taxable property in the County of Fairfax taken by William Ramsay, etc. in April 1782; Harle, John A List of the Taxable property in the County of Fairfax taken by William Ramsay, etc. in April 1782; Harle, Shadrack 1783 - No. 6 by Thomas Lewis Gent.; Harle, John 1783 - No. 6 by Thomas Lewis Gent.; Harle, Sarah 1788B - Fairfax District by Commissioner John Moss; Harle, Robert (free negro) 1795A - Truro Parish (district of P. Rich'd Ratcliffe); Harles, John 1796B - District of George Minor; Harle, Samuel 1798C - District of James Coleman Jr.; Harle, Jno. S. 1799B - District of George Minor; Harle, John S. 1801B - Fairfax Parish (District of Geo. Minor Jr.); Harle, John S. 1802B - Fairfax Parish (District of George Minor Jr.; Harle, John S. 1804B - Fairfax Parish (District of George Minor); Harle, John S. 1805A - Truro Parish (District of William Middleton); Harle, George 1807B - Fairfax Parish (District of George Minor); Harle, John S. 1809A - Fairfax Parish (District of Joseph Powell); Harle, John S. 1810B - Fairfax Parish (District of Joseph Powell); Harle, John S. 1811B - Fairfax Parish (District of Joseph Powell); Harle, John S. 1812B - Fairfax Parish (District of Joseph Powell); Harle, John Simmons 1813B - Fairfax Parish (District of Joseph Powell); Harle, John S. 1814B - Fairfax Parish (District of Joseph Powell); Harle, John S. Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun Co. > Pat, > The information you send about John Harle was extremely useful! Thanks! > Now, I have one more request.. See if you have any information about > Baldwin > Harle, an orphan who was supposedly taken in by a man named Raleigh ? > Chunn.. Chunn was supposed to be a merchant who traveled to Southwest Va. > and TN between 1765 and 1800.. > Thanks for any thing you can find! > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, Va. > >

Thank you Marty for the information. I would love to be in the Northern Neck to research, but if going there to the courthouses, etc. would not be of any more benefit than a good genealogical library then I need to get to the library. Thanks for helping. Shirley Holder Antrim ----- Original Message ----- From: "martyhiatt" <martyhiatt@wildblue.net> To: "Loudoun list" <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:07 AM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Early Va. info The best source for early Virginia information is land: patents and grants. These land records have indexed in a series titled Cavaliers and Pioneers. These books are now published by the Virginia Genealogical Society (see its web-site, vgs.org). Books should be available in libraries with genealogical collections. 2nd source is the Virginia Genealogist, a journal that was published for 50 years by John F. Dorman, CG. Unfortunately, there are two black holes in the Northern Neck history: Prince William Co., before 1800, and Stafford County, forever. These are two jurisdictions that were parent counties of Fairfax and Loudoun. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the Board’s associates. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If your talking about Thaddeus b. 1712, I doubt he was in Loudoun Co. I show he died in 1731 - 10 years prior to his wife Sarah Ellen Chinn who died in Lancaster Co. in 1741. IF this is the same Thaddeus you're talking about. The McCarty's and Chinn's were huge landholders in Loudoun Co. but think this Thaddeus at least pre-dated the ones in Loudoun Co. Janean -----Original Message----- From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jamilandteresia@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:42 AM To: valoudou@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] McCartys Kathy, Thank you very much for the McCarty info. I have not found who Jeremiah McCarty's parent are. I haven't had time to devote to this line. I need to get busy. I believe Thaddeus and possibly Dennis were in Loudoun; of course, it may not be the same Thaddeus. Teresia (Sanders) Scott Hamilton, VA ATTENTION! New e-mail address: jamilandteresia@comcast.net The Ambrose Jones Wiki: http://ambrosejones.wikispaces.com Genealogy, it's a family thing. Surnames: Sanders/Saunders, Smith, Cathcart, Jones, Combs, Barker, Hawn, Dunlevy, Clegg, Huckleberry, Yeary, Wallace, Russell, McCarty, Lowe, Legg, American Indian Places: Indiana, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ireland, Germany On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Kathy S. Schultz wrote: > Teresia, this may not be any help to you, but I remembered the McCarty > surname > and relocated that Daniel McCarty was the second husband of Elizabeth > Pope > in our Payne family. They married on 19 October 1699, probably in > Westmoreland Co. > Her first husband was William Payne of Westmoreland Co. > > By this second marriage, she had 9 children: Dennis, Thaddeus, > Billington, Katherine, > Winifred, Sarah, an daughter with unknown name, Anna Barbara, and > Daniel, Jr. > This information was on Danny Payne's "The Paynes of Virginia" web > site, > but I see that it is no longer online. It may also be in Col. Brooke > Payne's book > _The Paynes of Virginia_. I hope this will be some help to you farther > back > than Loudoun Co. > > Kathryn Schultz > kathysschultz@earthlink.net > > >> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:35:12 -0400 >> From: jamilandteresia@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun >> Co. >> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com >> >> Hey Pat, >> If you get the chance; would you please see if there are any McCarty >> listed? >> Thank you in advance. >> >> Teresia (Sanders) Scott >> Hamilton, VA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell > us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, Thank you very much for the McCarty info. I have not found who Jeremiah McCarty's parent are. I haven't had time to devote to this line. I need to get busy. I believe Thaddeus and possibly Dennis were in Loudoun; of course, it may not be the same Thaddeus. Teresia (Sanders) Scott Hamilton, VA ATTENTION! New e-mail address: jamilandteresia@comcast.net The Ambrose Jones Wiki: http://ambrosejones.wikispaces.com Genealogy, it's a family thing. Surnames: Sanders/Saunders, Smith, Cathcart, Jones, Combs, Barker, Hawn, Dunlevy, Clegg, Huckleberry, Yeary, Wallace, Russell, McCarty, Lowe, Legg, American Indian Places: Indiana, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ireland, Germany On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Kathy S. Schultz wrote: > Teresia, this may not be any help to you, but I remembered the McCarty > surname > and relocated that Daniel McCarty was the second husband of Elizabeth > Pope > in our Payne family. They married on 19 October 1699, probably in > Westmoreland Co. > Her first husband was William Payne of Westmoreland Co. > > By this second marriage, she had 9 children: Dennis, Thaddeus, > Billington, Katherine, > Winifred, Sarah, an daughter with unknown name, Anna Barbara, and > Daniel, Jr. > This information was on Danny Payne's "The Paynes of Virginia" web > site, > but I see that it is no longer online. It may also be in Col. Brooke > Payne's book > _The Paynes of Virginia_. I hope this will be some help to you farther > back > than Loudoun Co. > > Kathryn Schultz > kathysschultz@earthlink.net > > >> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:35:12 -0400 >> From: jamilandteresia@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun >> Co. >> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com >> >> Hey Pat, >> If you get the chance; would you please see if there are any McCarty >> listed? >> Thank you in advance. >> >> Teresia (Sanders) Scott >> Hamilton, VA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell > us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat, I am looking for any information on John and William Harle, Harl who may have been placed as orphans with Edward Embs, Emms about 1750-55 in Loudoun or Fairfax co.. Thanks for any clues! G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

Loudoun was not created until 1757, so there would be no record in the county before that time. Fairfax County Order Books 1749-1754: Order Book, 27 September 1749 [p. 36] Last will and testament of John HARLE deceased presented in Court by William HARLE and proved by Moses PIMMET who declares he see the other evidences subscribe the same, and Elizabeth HARLE, Benjamin SEBASTIAN and William ELSEY refusing to take upon them the burthen of the execution of said will, administration of the decedent's estate with the said will annexed is granted William HARLE, he having complyed with the law in such cases and the will ordered to be recorded. Ordered that William WINDSOR, Francis ELSEY, Richard COLEMAN, and John THOMAS inventory and appraise the estate of John HARLE deceased and Admr. return the inventory to the next Court. Order Book, 31 March 1750 [p. 68] Churchwardens of Truro parish bind John HARLE an orphan to Edward EMMS, he agreeing to learn him to read and write and teach him the art or mystery of shoemaker. Order Book, 27 June 1750 [p. 89] On petition of Susanna GEFFRE against Charles BROADWATER and Benjamin SEBASTIAN, Gent. Executors of William HARLE who was the Administrator of John HARLE the petitioners account being proved, judgment granted her against Defendants for £2.3.11 of the goods and chattels of the intestate in the hands of said Executors when so much thereof shall come to their hands to be administred with costs. [p. 90] On petition of John Triplet and Company against Charles BROADWATER and Benjamin SEBASTIAN, Gent. Executors of William HARLE who was the Administrator of John HARLE the petitioners account being proved, judgment granted them against Defendants for £3.6.0 and costs of the goods and chattels of said John HARLE in the hands of the Defendants when so much thereof shall come to their hands to be administred. [p. 93] On the petition of Elizabeth HARLE against Charles BROADWATER and Benjamin Sebastian, Gent. Executors of William HARLE who was the Administrator of John HARLE deceased, the petitioners account being proved, judgment granted her against Defendants for £2.12.0 and costs of the goods and chattels of said John HARLE when so much thereof shall come to the Defendants hands to be administred. There were several other additional suits against John Harle and William Harle recorded in this Order Book. Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Lee Hearl" <glh@naxs.com> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun Co. > Pat, > I am looking for any information on John and William Harle, Harl who may > have been placed as orphans with Edward Embs, Emms about 1750-55 in > Loudoun > or Fairfax co.. Thanks for any clues! > G. Lee Hearl > Authentic Appalachian Storyteller > Abingdon, Va. >

The best source for early Virginia information is land: patents and grants. These land records have indexed in a series titled Cavaliers and Pioneers. These books are now published by the Virginia Genealogical Society (see its web-site, vgs.org). Books should be available in libraries with genealogical collections. 2nd source is the Virginia Genealogist, a journal that was published for 50 years by John F. Dorman, CG. Unfortunately, there are two black holes in the Northern Neck history: Prince William Co., before 1800, and Stafford County, forever. These are two jurisdictions that were parent counties of Fairfax and Loudoun. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license to the Board’s associates.

Are you researching MORTON? Nancy Jane MORTON b abt 1758 VA Did she marry a McCARTY? thanks, Patti

Please keep elusive David McCarty in mind as you research Jeremiah. David named his children: John b abt 1770 Catherine "Catey" Mary "Molly" Nancy William James Elizabeth "Betsey" Sarah "Sally" Thomas b abt 1782 I have yet to find a naming pattern and only two youngest children named sons David. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: <jamilandteresia@comcast.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] McCartys > Kathy, > Thank you very much for the McCarty info. I have not found who > Jeremiah McCarty's parent are. I haven't had time to devote to this > line. I need to get busy. I believe Thaddeus and possibly Dennis were > in Loudoun; of course, it may not be the same Thaddeus. > > Teresia (Sanders) Scott > Hamilton, VA > > ATTENTION! New e-mail address: > jamilandteresia@comcast.net > > The Ambrose Jones Wiki: > http://ambrosejones.wikispaces.com > > Genealogy, it's a family thing. > Surnames: Sanders/Saunders, Smith, Cathcart, Jones, Combs, Barker, > Hawn, Dunlevy, Clegg, Huckleberry, Yeary, Wallace, Russell, McCarty, > Lowe, Legg, American Indian > Places: Indiana, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, > Kentucky, Ireland, Germany > On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:02 PM, Kathy S. Schultz wrote: > >> Teresia, this may not be any help to you, but I remembered the McCarty >> surname >> and relocated that Daniel McCarty was the second husband of Elizabeth >> Pope >> in our Payne family. They married on 19 October 1699, probably in >> Westmoreland Co. >> Her first husband was William Payne of Westmoreland Co. >> >> By this second marriage, she had 9 children: Dennis, Thaddeus, >> Billington, Katherine, >> Winifred, Sarah, an daughter with unknown name, Anna Barbara, and >> Daniel, Jr. >> This information was on Danny Payne's "The Paynes of Virginia" web >> site, >> but I see that it is no longer online. It may also be in Col. Brooke >> Payne's book >> _The Paynes of Virginia_. I hope this will be some help to you farther >> back >> than Loudoun Co. >> >> Kathryn Schultz >> kathysschultz@earthlink.net >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:35:12 -0400 >>> From: jamilandteresia@comcast.net >>> Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun >>> Co. >>> To: valoudou@rootsweb.com >>> >>> Hey Pat, >>> If you get the chance; would you please see if there are any McCarty >>> listed? >>> Thank you in advance. >>> >>> Teresia (Sanders) Scott >>> Hamilton, VA >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll >> Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell >> us something about your Brick Wall person. >> To contact Listowner: >> Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Search this list's archived messages! >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Pat. Are there any Skillmans in the book? Thanks for taking the time to help others on the list. Lynnie Sager

>From "Apprentices, Bastards, and Poor Children of Loudoun Co. 1757-1850" by Hutchison: Order Book H, page 376; 13 Sep 1784; Abraham SKILLMAN to Moses HOUGH Order Book H, page 476; 9 May 1785; Christopher SKILLMAN, 18 yrs old in Mar 1785, to Cornelius SKINNER, to be a carpenter Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "L Sager" <lsager@shentel.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun Co. > > Hi Pat. > Are there any Skillmans in the book? > > Thanks for taking the time to help others on the list. > > Lynnie Sager > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks, Pat & Betty for all your good help. I'll keep trying from time-to-time, but I think this is one brick wall that's never gonna come down. Donna

Teresia, this may not be any help to you, but I remembered the McCarty surname and relocated that Daniel McCarty was the second husband of Elizabeth Pope in our Payne family. They married on 19 October 1699, probably in Westmoreland Co. Her first husband was William Payne of Westmoreland Co. By this second marriage, she had 9 children: Dennis, Thaddeus, Billington, Katherine, Winifred, Sarah, an daughter with unknown name, Anna Barbara, and Daniel, Jr. This information was on Danny Payne's "The Paynes of Virginia" web site, but I see that it is no longer online. It may also be in Col. Brooke Payne's book _The Paynes of Virginia_. I hope this will be some help to you farther back than Loudoun Co. Kathryn Schultz kathysschultz@earthlink.net >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:35:12 -0400 >From: jamilandteresia@comcast.net >Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun > Co. >To: valoudou@rootsweb.com > >Hey Pat, >If you get the chance; would you please see if there are any McCarty >listed? >Thank you in advance. > >Teresia (Sanders) Scott >Hamilton, VA

I found her in 1860! Elizabeth Hammerly living in Leesburg, age 58, only one year younger than when she died in 1870 at age 59. ;-) That agrees with your birth date of 1802. She is living with Emily Simpson, age 25, Chas W. Morgan age 35, Isabella Morgan age 21 and their two children. I will send you the page. This is probably Emily Loyd who reported her death in 1870. I have no idea what the connections are. Betty -------------- Original message -------------- From: dcmowery@aol.com > Thank you so much, Betty! Seems that Elizabeth ? had 3 husbands that didn't live > long after she married them. I know for sure Jacobs and Hammerly died not long > after but haven't found anything on Hipkins; assume he did, too. All the > documents from Loudoun have her married names on them and no middle initial or > anything else to identify her. Some make reference to her father, but don't say > who her father was! I can't find a marriage record for the one to Jacobs. They > must have married outside of Loudoun Co. Since Wm. Hammerly was buried with his > first wife, I think maybe Elizabeth is married with Jacobs or Hipkins but don't > know where they are buried either although I have the newspaper article about > Jacobs being struck by lightning and killed. She is definitely one of my biggest > brick walls! > > At least now I know for sure she died in Loudoun and when so I can quit looking > elsewhere for her. :) > > Thanks, again... > Donna > > > -----Original Message----- > From: brfrain@comcast.net > To: valoudou@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 2:10 pm > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Hipkins/Hammerly > > > > If my messages ever begin coming through, you will have multiple copies of this. > Sorry, but I can't depend on my present provider. > > Betty > > Elizabeth Hipkins Hammerly died in March of 1860, in Loudoun County. She is > listed on the 1870 Mortality Schedule: > > >From Ancestry: > Source Citation: Census Place (City, County, State): Northern Division, > Loudoun, Virginia; Roll: T1132_10; Page: ; Enumeration District: ; Line > Number: 12. > > > > William Hammerly, and John Hammerly (my 3rd great grandfather) were the sons > of Garrett Hammerly and Comfort Simkins. William is buried in the Old Stone > Church Cemetery in Leesburg with his first wife, Sarah Woody. > > John is buried in Union Cemetery, Leesburg. However, I suspect he and his > wife, Jane Drish, were originally buried in the Old Stone Church Cemetery. > John's son John was very active in the establishment of Union Cemetery and > though I don't have proof, because John Sr died before the opening of Union, > I believe he was moved by his son John, also a cabinet maker and undertaker. > The Old Stone Church Cemetery was allowed to deteriorate badly during this > period. In fact my mother remembered the stones being set to the sides so > the High School could use the area to play tennis. > > Hope this helps. > > Betty Frain > brfrain@comcast.net > > Researching Elgin, Dulin, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift (Loudoun > County, VA) > Frain (Washington, DC/PA), Robinson, McLean, Taylor, Pettit, Hanrahan, > (VA/NC) > > Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dottie Himes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call > > > | Sorry, I cannot help with any of your Jacobs, but I just notived something > | that might?? be of some help. If you continue you search for William > | Hemmerly > | try looking under HAMMERSLY. i have a William Hammersly in my database, > but > | they are from MD, but could be some connection. This may or may not help > | but thought I would let you know. > | > | Descendants of Francis Hammersley, II, #2H > | > | > | > | 1 [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H b: Abt. 1705 d: 1745 > | > | .. +Elizabeth BOARMAN, #1W, 159-10-8, cousins b: Abt. 1686 MD m: 1726 d: > | Abt. 1741 Father: William (Boerman) Boarman, Major, 159-10 (2H) Mother: > Mary > | Jarboe, (168-4-2), #3W of Wm. > | > | 2 William HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-6 b: Abt. 1727 MD > | > | 2 Basil HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-7 b: Abt. 1729 MD > | > | 2 Francis HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-8 b: Abt. 1731 MD > | > | *2nd Wife of [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H: > | > | .. +Mary, #2W m: Aft. 1741 > | > | Dottie > | > | Dottie (Porter) Himes > | Lewisport, KY 42351 > | djhimes@bellsouth.net > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: > | To: > | Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:15 PM > | Subject: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call > | > | > | > Still searching for the maiden name and family of Elizabeth ?. I haven't > | > found a record for her marriage to Thomas Jacobs or a death record for > | > her. Also don't know where T. Jacobs is buried or what happened to > Richard > | > Hipkins and don't know the relationship of the Christopher Lambert > buried > | > in the cemetery?lot she purchased. > | > > | > > | > > | > ELIZABETH?? ???? ?was born Abt. 1802 in Leesburg, Loudoun Co, VA.? She > | > married (1) THOMAS L. JACOBS Abt. 1820.? He died 1823.? She married (2) > | > RICHARD HIPKINS March 13, 1837 in Loudoun Co., VA.??? She married (3) > | > WILLIAM HAMMERLY October 08, 1854 in Loudoun Co., VA.? He was born in > | > Loudoun Co., VA, and died 1855. > | > > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: > | > > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, > | > Loudoun Co., VA. > | > > | > ?????? > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: > | > > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun > Co, > | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: > | > > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, > | > Loudoun Co., VA. > | > > | > ?????? > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: > | > > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun > Co, > | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > | > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > | > something about your Brick Wall person. > | > To contact Listowner: > | > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > Search this list's archived messages! > | > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > ------------------------------- > | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > | > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > | > > | > | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. 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I need to make some corrections to the information I sent. I, too was told Elizabeth died in Mar 1860. However, I just pulled up the Mortality Schedule for 1870 and her date of death would be Mar 1870,, reported by family 147. I find that as being in Leesburg, Emily Loyd, age 33 and her four children, and a domestic Mary Lozenburg, age 17. So I will do a better search for 1860. What is the date when Jacobs was killed? Betty -------------- Original message -------------- From: dcmowery@aol.com > Thank you so much, Betty! Seems that Elizabeth ? had 3 husbands that didn't live > long after she married them. I know for sure Jacobs and Hammerly died not long > after but haven't found anything on Hipkins; assume he did, too. All the > documents from Loudoun have her married names on them and no middle initial or > anything else to identify her. Some make reference to her father, but don't say > who her father was! I can't find a marriage record for the one to Jacobs. They > must have married outside of Loudoun Co. Since Wm. Hammerly was buried with his > first wife, I think maybe Elizabeth is married with Jacobs or Hipkins but don't > know where they are buried either although I have the newspaper article about > Jacobs being struck by lightning and killed. She is definitely one of my biggest > brick walls! > > At least now I know for sure she died in Loudoun and when so I can quit looking > elsewhere for her. :) > > Thanks, again... > Donna > > > -----Original Message----- > From: brfrain@comcast.net > To: valoudou@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 2:10 pm > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Hipkins/Hammerly > > > > If my messages ever begin coming through, you will have multiple copies of this. > Sorry, but I can't depend on my present provider. > > Betty > > Elizabeth Hipkins Hammerly died in March of 1860, in Loudoun County. She is > listed on the 1870 Mortality Schedule: > > >From Ancestry: > Source Citation: Census Place (City, County, State): Northern Division, > Loudoun, Virginia; Roll: T1132_10; Page: ; Enumeration District: ; Line > Number: 12. > > > > William Hammerly, and John Hammerly (my 3rd great grandfather) were the sons > of Garrett Hammerly and Comfort Simkins. William is buried in the Old Stone > Church Cemetery in Leesburg with his first wife, Sarah Woody. > > John is buried in Union Cemetery, Leesburg. However, I suspect he and his > wife, Jane Drish, were originally buried in the Old Stone Church Cemetery. > John's son John was very active in the establishment of Union Cemetery and > though I don't have proof, because John Sr died before the opening of Union, > I believe he was moved by his son John, also a cabinet maker and undertaker. > The Old Stone Church Cemetery was allowed to deteriorate badly during this > period. In fact my mother remembered the stones being set to the sides so > the High School could use the area to play tennis. > > Hope this helps. > > Betty Frain > brfrain@comcast.net > > Researching Elgin, Dulin, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift (Loudoun > County, VA) > Frain (Washington, DC/PA), Robinson, McLean, Taylor, Pettit, Hanrahan, > (VA/NC) > > Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dottie Himes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call > > > | Sorry, I cannot help with any of your Jacobs, but I just notived something > | that might?? be of some help. If you continue you search for William > | Hemmerly > | try looking under HAMMERSLY. i have a William Hammersly in my database, > but > | they are from MD, but could be some connection. This may or may not help > | but thought I would let you know. > | > | Descendants of Francis Hammersley, II, #2H > | > | > | > | 1 [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H b: Abt. 1705 d: 1745 > | > | .. +Elizabeth BOARMAN, #1W, 159-10-8, cousins b: Abt. 1686 MD m: 1726 d: > | Abt. 1741 Father: William (Boerman) Boarman, Major, 159-10 (2H) Mother: > Mary > | Jarboe, (168-4-2), #3W of Wm. > | > | 2 William HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-6 b: Abt. 1727 MD > | > | 2 Basil HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-7 b: Abt. 1729 MD > | > | 2 Francis HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-8 b: Abt. 1731 MD > | > | *2nd Wife of [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H: > | > | .. +Mary, #2W m: Aft. 1741 > | > | Dottie > | > | Dottie (Porter) Himes > | Lewisport, KY 42351 > | djhimes@bellsouth.net > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: > | To: > | Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:15 PM > | Subject: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call > | > | > | > Still searching for the maiden name and family of Elizabeth ?. I haven't > | > found a record for her marriage to Thomas Jacobs or a death record for > | > her. Also don't know where T. Jacobs is buried or what happened to > Richard > | > Hipkins and don't know the relationship of the Christopher Lambert > buried > | > in the cemetery?lot she purchased. > | > > | > > | > > | > ELIZABETH?? ???? ?was born Abt. 1802 in Leesburg, Loudoun Co, VA.? She > | > married (1) THOMAS L. JACOBS Abt. 1820.? He died 1823.? She married (2) > | > RICHARD HIPKINS March 13, 1837 in Loudoun Co., VA.??? She married (3) > | > WILLIAM HAMMERLY October 08, 1854 in Loudoun Co., VA.? He was born in > | > Loudoun Co., VA, and died 1855. > | > > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: > | > > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, > | > Loudoun Co., VA. > | > > | > ?????? > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: > | > > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun > Co, > | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: > | > > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, > | > Loudoun Co., VA. > | > > | > ?????? > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: > | > > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun > Co, > | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > | > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > | > something about your Brick Wall person. > | > To contact Listowner: > | > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > Search this list's archived messages! > | > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > ------------------------------- > | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > | > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > | > > | > | > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > | To contact Listowner: > | Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | Search this list's archived messages! > | http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. > Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something > about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. > Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something > about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Dick. All I've been able to find is: A/I of 25 Jan 1821: CtOD 8 Jan 1821; farm and household items, note, totaling $426.37 1/2. Aprs: Jacob FAWLEY, Simon YEAGAY, William WINNER. RtCt 31 Aug 1821. [N:352] S/A with Edward MARLOW, one of the Exors; payments beginning 25 Jan 1821, to Magdelena SHAFER one of the residuary distr., Peggy WISSINGER one of the residuary distr., Jacob SHAFER his legacy, W. SHAFER legacy, John STOUTSEBERGER a surviving Exor., Magdelina SHAFER one of the heirs, to Mary ADAMS late Mary SHAFER [very long] RtCt 19 Jun 1830. [S:307] A/I = Appraisal/Inventory CtOD = Court order dated Aprs = Appraisers RtCt = Returned to Court and ordered to be recorded S/A = Settlement account Exors = Executor or Executrix -------- Also, From: Loudon Co, Va Will Book Abstracts - Dec 1757 - Jun 1841: Peggy Wissinger listed as receipient of payments on Jan 25, 1821 from the estate of Conrad Shafer. Peggy presumed dead, so her share goes to Magdalena Shafer. Conrad Shafer died in 1821. 3 daughters - Mary Adams, Magdalena Shafer and Peggy Wissinger. And WILL ABSTRACT - Magdalena SHAF(F)ER: S/A with Jacob STOUTSEBERGER & Samuel STOUTSEBERGER , Exors of John STOUTSEBERGER dec'd her Committee (she a lunatic): CtOD 11 Sep 1837; beginning 26 Jan 1821, legacy allowed to her out of Peggy WISINGER's share, to Jacob SHAFER for support, leaving $721.63; father Conrad SHAFER who died in 1821 had daughters Mary ADAMS, Magdelaena SHAFER and Peggy WISINGER - long presumed Peggy is dead so her share goes to Magdalena. RtCt 13 Mar 1838. [Y:184] S/A with Samuel & Jacob STOUTSEBERGER Exors of John STOUTSEBERGER her Committee: CtOD 14 OCt 1839; (she a lunatic) beginning 1828, payment to Jacob SHAFER her Admr, settlement with Mary ADAMS a legatee of Conrad SHAFER, leaving $19.26. RtCt 13 Nov 1839. [Z:105] WILL ABSTRACT - Edward Marlow: A/I of 3 Jan 1826: Exor George MARLOW; CtOD 12 Dec 1825; farm and household items, Negro woman Eve, Isaac, Lewis, Ben & Alfred, totaling $2732.23. Aprs: John STOUSEBERGER, Jacob FAWLEY, Simon AKEY. RtCt 9 Jan 1826. [Q:8] S/A with Exor G. MARLOW: payments beginning Dec 1825, receipts, leaving $409.01 1/2. RtCt 12 Jul 1830 [S:317] S/A with Exor George MARLOW: CtOD 11 Jun 1832; payments beginning 1827, including to John STOUTSEBERGER Guardian of Magdaline SHAFFER it being Peggy WISINGER's proportion of Conrad SHAFFER's estate in puruance of said SHAFFER not having been heard of since SHAFFER's death, proportion to Mary ADAMS, to William LAKIN Admr of Mary JENKINS dec'd widow of Job JENKINS son and devisee of Wm. JENKINS dec'd, leaving $1076.53. RtCt 15 Jan 1833. [U:251] S//A with Exor George MARLOW: payments beginning Dec 1832, including to Henrietta GASSAWAY Exor of Thomass GASSAWAY dec'd who was Guardian of the children of A. BOTELER dec'd, leaving $316.61 1/2. RtCt 15 Apr 1835. [W:95] -------- If you ever see anything about Peggy marriage to this unknown Wissinger, please keep me in mind. Regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dick and Jane Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 9:08 PM To: valoudou@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Roll Call - WISSINGER Surname w/ SMITH, MARTIN,PARMER, SHAFER I have a listing for a margaret Shaffer in my Shaffer Shafer Genealogy married to a Wissinger or Missinger not any thing else on her though , she is daughter of Conrad Shaffer Sr. and Elizabeth maybe ( Dorscheimer) . Dick Shafer djs309@mchsi.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wissinger" <bwissinger@buckeye-express.com> To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU] Roll Call - WISSINGER Surname w/ SMITH, MARTIN, PARMER,SHAFER >I continue to research the WISSINGER surname and ancestors settled in >near Middletown, Frederick Co., Md. in the 1740's. At least two of >the children migrated to Va and eventually to Ohio. I am looking for >any information on > this surname and their families in the Loudon Cnty areas. Surname may also > be found as: WISINGER, WEIS/SS/INGER or WIES/SS/INGER. > > Brick walls: > > * Julian WISSINGER and Ephraim SMITH who were married on April 25, > 1843 at Shelburne > > * Joseph WISSINGER - lived in Ransom > > * Edward WISSINGER, an Attorney in 1801 > > * Margaret "Peggy" WISSINGER who married UNK SHAFER in 1818 - declared > dead > in 1821. d/o Conrad Shafer/shaffer. > > * Alma Lee WISSINGER - lived in Charles Town - 1880's > > I would love to hear from any connection............... > > Thanks > Bob Wissinger > Perrysburg, Ohio > > -------------------------------------------- > My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and > corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from > www.digiportal.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. 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If my messages ever begin coming through, you will have multiple copies of this. Sorry, but I can't depend on my present provider. Betty Elizabeth Hipkins Hammerly died in March of 1860, in Loudoun County. She is listed on the 1870 Mortality Schedule: >From Ancestry: Source Citation: Census Place (City, County, State): Northern Division, Loudoun, Virginia; Roll: T1132_10; Page: ; Enumeration District: ; Line Number: 12. William Hammerly, and John Hammerly (my 3rd great grandfather) were the sons of Garrett Hammerly and Comfort Simkins. William is buried in the Old Stone Church Cemetery in Leesburg with his first wife, Sarah Woody. John is buried in Union Cemetery, Leesburg. However, I suspect he and his wife, Jane Drish, were originally buried in the Old Stone Church Cemetery. John's son John was very active in the establishment of Union Cemetery and though I don't have proof, because John Sr died before the opening of Union, I believe he was moved by his son John, also a cabinet maker and undertaker. The Old Stone Church Cemetery was allowed to deteriorate badly during this period. In fact my mother remembered the stones being set to the sides so the High School could use the area to play tennis. Hope this helps. Betty Frain brfrain@comcast.net Researching Elgin, Dulin, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift (Loudoun County, VA) Frain (Washington, DC/PA), Robinson, McLean, Taylor, Pettit, Hanrahan, (VA/NC) Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dottie Himes" <djhimes@bellsouth.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call | Sorry, I cannot help with any of your Jacobs, but I just notived something | that might?? be of some help. If you continue you search for William | Hemmerly | try looking under HAMMERSLY. i have a William Hammersly in my database, but | they are from MD, but could be some connection. This may or may not help | but thought I would let you know. | | Descendants of Francis Hammersley, II, #2H | | | | 1 [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H b: Abt. 1705 d: 1745 | | .. +Elizabeth BOARMAN, #1W, 159-10-8, cousins b: Abt. 1686 MD m: 1726 d: | Abt. 1741 Father: William (Boerman) Boarman, Major, 159-10 (2H) Mother: Mary | Jarboe, (168-4-2), #3W of Wm. | | 2 William HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-6 b: Abt. 1727 MD | | 2 Basil HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-7 b: Abt. 1729 MD | | 2 Francis HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-8 b: Abt. 1731 MD | | *2nd Wife of [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H: | | .. +Mary, #2W m: Aft. 1741 | | Dottie | | Dottie (Porter) Himes | Lewisport, KY 42351 | djhimes@bellsouth.net | | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <dcmowery@aol.com> | To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:15 PM | Subject: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call | | | > Still searching for the maiden name and family of Elizabeth ?. I haven't | > found a record for her marriage to Thomas Jacobs or a death record for | > her. Also don't know where T. Jacobs is buried or what happened to Richard | > Hipkins and don't know the relationship of the Christopher Lambert buried | > in the cemetery?lot she purchased. | > | > | > | > ELIZABETH?? ???? ?was born Abt. 1802 in Leesburg, Loudoun Co, VA.? She | > married (1) THOMAS L. JACOBS Abt. 1820.? He died 1823.? She married (2) | > RICHARD HIPKINS March 13, 1837 in Loudoun Co., VA.??? She married (3) | > WILLIAM HAMMERLY October 08, 1854 in Loudoun Co., VA.? He was born in | > Loudoun Co., VA, and died 1855. | > | > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: | > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, | > Loudoun Co., VA. | > | > ?????? | > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: | > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun Co, | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. | > | > | > | > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 and | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. | > | > | > Thanks for any help, | > Donna | > | > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 and | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. | > | > | > Thanks for any help, | > Donna | > | > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: | > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, | > Loudoun Co., VA. | > | > ?????? | > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: | > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun Co, | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. | > | > | > | > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 and | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. | > | > | > Thanks for any help, | > Donna | > | > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 and | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. | > | > | > Thanks for any help, | > Donna | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll | > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us | > something about your Brick Wall person. | > To contact Listowner: | > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > Search this list's archived messages! | > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | > quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. 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Searching for any type of link between Luke/Lucas Holder b abt 1725 in Fauquier Co., moved into Loudoun Co. via Fairfax patents, and possible brothers, Davis Holder, William Holder and Joseph Holder. Was Luke's Father John Holder? Out of Somerset, Maryland? Did John Holder marry a lady with the last name of Davis? Where can I find records that go back to the early Northern Neck years, 1690s to 1700? Thanks, Shirley Holder Antrim

Was wondering if there are any Edmonds in the book? -----Original Message----- From: valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:valoudou-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Duncan Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 4:06 PM To: valoudou@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun Co. Mrs. Hutchison's book covers the 1757-1850 time period. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Dempsey " <jgnl-dempsey@att.net> To: <valoudou@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor children, bastards Loudoun Co. > Pat, > > what time period does the Apprentices book cover ? > Thanks > Jim > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:37:46 -0700 > > From: "Pat Duncan" <GenNutLdn@msn.com> > > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Apprentices, Poor Children & Bastards, Loudoun > > County, VA Lookup Request > > > > Yes, that was Mrs. Louisa Skinner Hutchison who wrote the book, > > published in > > 2000 by Willow Bend Books. Mrs. Hutchison formerly worked at the > > Courthouse > > in Leesburg. She still lives in Loudoun County but does not use a > > computer > > so she is not on the Internet. > > > >... > > > > Pat Duncan > > GenNutLdn@msn.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VALOUDOU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the Emily Simpson was the daughter of a relative who died. There was a James S. Sampson/Simpson who attested ages for?her marriage to Hipkins. I don't know for sure what the exact relationship was there either. Donna -----Original Message----- From: brfrain@comcast.net To: valoudou@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 3:32 pm Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Hipkins/Hammerly I found her in 1860! Elizabeth Hammerly living in Leesburg, age 58, only one year younger than when she died in 1870 at age 59. ;-) That agrees with your birth date of 1802. She is living with Emily Simpson, age 25, Chas W. Morgan age 35, Isabella Morgan age 21 and their two children. I will send you the page. This is probably Emily Loyd who reported her death in 1870. I have no idea what the connections are. Betty -------------- Original message -------------- From: dcmowery@aol.com > Thank you so much, Betty! Seems that Elizabeth ? had 3 husbands that didn't live > long after she married them. I know for sure Jacobs and Hammerly died not long > after but haven't found anything on Hipkins; assume he did, too. All the > documents from Loudoun have her married names on them and no middle initial or > anything else to identify her. Some make reference to her father, but don't say > who her father was! I can't find a marriage record for the one to Jacobs. They > must have married outside of Loudoun Co. Since Wm. Hammerly was buried with his > first wife, I think maybe Elizabeth is married with Jacobs or Hipkins but don't > know where they are buried either although I have the newspaper article about > Jacobs being struck by lightning and killed. She is definitely one of my biggest > brick walls! > > At least now I know for sure she died in Loudoun and when so I can quit looking > elsewhere for her. :) > > Thanks, again... > Donna > > > -----Original Message----- > From: brfrain@comcast.net > To: valoudou@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 2:10 pm > Subject: [VALOUDOU] Hipkins/Hammerly > > > > If my messages ever begin coming through, you will have multiple copies of this. > Sorry, but I can't depend on my present provider. > > Betty > > Elizabeth Hipkins Hammerly died in March of 1860, in Loudoun County. She is > listed on the 1870 Mortality Schedule: > > >From Ancestry: > Source Citation: Census Place (City, County, State): Northern Division, > Loudoun, Virginia; Roll: T1132_10; Page: ; Enumeration District: ; Line > Number: 12. > > > > William Hammerly, and John Hammerly (my 3rd great grandfather) were the sons > of Garrett Hammerly and Comfort Simkins. William is buried in the Old Stone > Church Cemetery in Leesburg with his first wife, Sarah Woody. > > John is buried in Union Cemetery, Leesburg. However, I suspect he and his > wife, Jane Drish, were originally buried in the Old Stone Church Cemetery. > John's son John was very active in the establishment of Union Cemetery and > though I don't have proof, because John Sr died before the opening of Union, > I believe he was moved by his son John, also a cabinet maker and undertaker. > The Old Stone Church Cemetery was allowed to deteriorate badly during this > period. In fact my mother remembered the stones being set to the sides so > the High School could use the area to play tennis. > > Hope this helps. > > Betty Frain > brfrain@comcast.net > > Researching Elgin, Dulin, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift (Loudoun > County, VA) > Frain (Washington, DC/PA), Robinson, McLean, Taylor, Pettit, Hanrahan, > (VA/NC) > > Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dottie Himes" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call > > > | Sorry, I cannot help with any of your Jacobs, but I just notived something > | that might?? be of some help. If you continue you search for William > | Hemmerly > | try looking under HAMMERSLY. i have a William Hammersly in my database, > but > | they are from MD, but could be some connection. This may or may not help > | but thought I would let you know. > | > | Descendants of Francis Hammersley, II, #2H > | > | > | > | 1 [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H b: Abt. 1705 d: 1745 > | > | .. +Elizabeth BOARMAN, #1W, 159-10-8, cousins b: Abt. 1686 MD m: 1726 d: > | Abt. 1741 Father: William (Boerman) Boarman, Major, 159-10 (2H) Mother: > Mary > | Jarboe, (168-4-2), #3W of Wm. > | > | 2 William HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-6 b: Abt. 1727 MD > | > | 2 Basil HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-7 b: Abt. 1729 MD > | > | 2 Francis HAMMERSLEY, 159-10-10-8 b: Abt. 1731 MD > | > | *2nd Wife of [1] Francis HAMMERSLEY, II, #2H: > | > | .. +Mary, #2W m: Aft. 1741 > | > | Dottie > | > | Dottie (Porter) Himes > | Lewisport, KY 42351 > | djhimes@bellsouth.net > | > | > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: > | To: > | Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 3:15 PM > | Subject: [VALOUDOU] Sunday Roll Call > | > | > | > Still searching for the maiden name and family of Elizabeth ?. I haven't > | > found a record for her marriage to Thomas Jacobs or a death record for > | > her. Also don't know where T. Jacobs is buried or what happened to > Richard > | > Hipkins and don't know the relationship of the Christopher Lambert > buried > | > in the cemetery?lot she purchased. > | > > | > > | > > | > ELIZABETH?? ???? ?was born Abt. 1802 in Leesburg, Loudoun Co, VA.? She > | > married (1) THOMAS L. JACOBS Abt. 1820.? He died 1823.? She married (2) > | > RICHARD HIPKINS March 13, 1837 in Loudoun Co., VA.??? She married (3) > | > WILLIAM HAMMERLY October 08, 1854 in Loudoun Co., VA.? He was born in > | > Loudoun Co., VA, and died 1855. > | > > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: > | > > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, > | > Loudoun Co., VA. > | > > | > ?????? > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: > | > > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun > Co, > | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH ?? and THOMAS JACOBS is: > | > > | > ?????????????????? i.??? JACOB T.2 JACOBS, b. 1821; d. January 03, 1851, > | > Loudoun Co., VA. > | > > | > ?????? > | > > | > Child of ELIZABETH JACOBS and RICHARD HIPKINS is: > | > > | > 2.?????????????? ii.??? ISABELLA2 HIPKINS, b. 1839, Leesburg, Loudoun > Co, > | > VA; d. August 30, 1864, Washington, DC. > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > > | > > | > Union Cemetery, Leesburg, Loudoun Co., VA-Lot #118 bought by Elizabeth > | > Hipkins. Buried there are: Jacob T. Jacobs (son) b. 1821, d. 1/03/1851 > and > | > Christopher Lambert d. 10/1861. > | > > | > > | > Thanks for any help, > | > Donna > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > | > Call. 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