Susan, I agree with you. Ash. [comma] Fq would more likely refer to Ashby's Gap in Fauquier Co. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CGRS "Document what you find, listen to what you are told, and especially, love and respect your work." John Morris CGRS is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SUZYBC@aol.com> To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] Solving Puzzles > Gerald and Marty > > I agree with most of Marty's transcriptions however depending on the time > frame the Ash abbreviation may stand for Ashby district in Fauquier County. > In the mid 1800's Ashburn was still known as Farmwell. . The Leesb. is > obviously Leesburg could the "fun refer to funeral? > > Susan >

Gerald and Marty I agree with most of Marty's transcriptions however depending on the time frame the Ash abbreviation may stand for Ashby district in Fauquier County. In the mid 1800's Ashburn was still known as Farmwell. . The Leesb. is obviously Leesburg could the "fun refer to funeral? Susan

Would someone tell me what The Charles Blair Tavener Collection is and what kinds of information it contains. Family names? Does it include the name surname Clare?. thanks Clare

I think that I can help you on some of these abbreviations: *Fx -- Fairfax *Arlg -- Arlington *Ash, Fq -- not certain about the Ash, but could be Ashland, and Fq would be Fauquier (county) *fc 1973 *fun deiac Leesb -- Leesb would be Leesburg, but don't know what the other means *$10M 1850 -- How about $10 million in 1850? Still looking for my Harrisons and Beavers in Loudoun County prior to 1910 Susan in NY (state not city) thepixleys@juno.com ICQ #18846339 http://SusanPixley.tripod.com/index.html "Gerald James" gjames@cowtown.net wrote: The Notes portion was the most difficult part of course. In some instances I enlarged the word to fill the entire screen to determine the exact spelling. Blair was very consistent and used the same identical abbreviations throughout so if you figure one out you had many problems solved. I had the most difficulty with the towns. He wrote: 1775 tithe ShelPsh Blumt Clpr, LCo no clil lv Hamet *(Shawen ho) lv Lovtvl vc *Fx *Arlg *Ash, Fq *fc 1973 *fun deiac Leesb *$10M 1850 *items I still don't know what they mean. Send me your page and I'll do what I can for you. Gerald James Dallas, TX

Ooh, this is fun. Thanks Gerald. Isn't there some platitude about many minds (or hands) making work easier? Maybe together we can figure all out all these abbreviations. Gerald has supplied some of the best insight to the Tavenner abbreviations I have ever seen. Can I jump in? Anyone with other opinions feel free to correct me, or add your own interpretation. Also send the "chicken scratches" you have tried to read on the Tavenner lists. NHopefully another member of this list will recognize your puzzles. Even though Gerald knows the first items on the list, I'm going to type them for everyone else. > 1775 tithe ShelPsh = tithable Shelburne Parish > Blumt = Bluemont [town in far western Loudoun] > Clpr = Culpeper LCo = Loudoun County > no clil - ?could this be no children? > lv Hamet - think this should be Hamil for Hamilton [for many years the 2nd largest town in the county] lv = lives vc = vicinity > *(Shawen ho) - hmmm, Shawen is a surname, ho probably stands for household > lv Lovtvl vc = lived Lovettsville vicinity > *Fx = Fairfax > *Arlg = Arlington > *Ash = Ashburn Fq = Fauquier > *fc 1973 - fc =found [on] census? this is a wild guess; doesn't fit with 1973. > *fun deiac Leesb - I'll have to go look at this in Mr. T's own hand writing > *$10M 1850 - probably refers to 1850 census, but certainly doesn't mean 10 million dollars. > Marty Hiatt, CGRS

Ila, I will be glad to look for you when it arrives. Virginia

To all who responded.......Thank you so much!! Several list members not only helped to solve the transcription problem, but offered additional information. The notation read "1775 tithe Shel (for Shelburne) Psh (for Parish)." Sincerely, Glenda Argo

Glenda: I have tried to translate all 15 of the James pages that Blair Tavener did and have had some limited success. The best clues come from the meticulous format that he used and the repetition of various abbreviations. Almost without exception the format was: First Name Small number above name (date of birth and death) Son or Daughter to Married (m) or Unmarried (unm) Date of marriage Spouse (date of birth and death) Son or Daughter to Notes Where he lived Occupation Where he went The Notes portion was the most difficult part of course. In some instances I enlarged the word to fill the entire screen to determine the exact spelling. Blair was very consistent and used the same identical abbreviations throughout so if you figure one out you had many problems solved. I had the most difficulty with the towns. He wrote: 1775 tithe ShelPsh Blumt Clpr, LCo no clil lv Hamet *(Shawen ho) lv Lovtvl vc *Fx *Arlg *Ash, Fq *fc 1973 *fun deiac Leesb *$10M 1850 *items I still don't know what they mean. Send me your page and I'll do what I can for you. Gerald James Dallas, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Argo" <argo2@mindspring.com> To: <VALOUDOU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Transcription Help Please! > Hello, > I am hoping that someone on the list is familiar with THE CHARLES BLAIR > TAVENER COLLECTION. I received a page, containing a surname I am > researching, from a volunteer from Thomas Balch Library. A sample to help > with transcription was sent with that page, but the sample did not include > the abbreviations that would help me. > > I wonder if someone on the list has had some experience transcribing > this Tavener Collection? If so, would you be willing to look at a scanned > copy of my page to see if you can tell me what it says? > > I would certainly appreciate the help.....thank you. > > Glenda > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > Join the Loudoun Co., VA Genealogical Society! > For information contact: > Loudoun Genealogy Club > P.O. Box 254 > Leesburg, VA 20178 > Annual Dues are only $10 > >

Glenda - I'll be glad to see if I can help you. I too have many of the Tavener pages on my families and agree that sometimes it's difficult to transcribe, but send me your page and I'll see what I can do for you. Joyce - jaw@mitretek.org Glenda Argo wrote: > Hello, > I am hoping that someone on the list is familiar with THE CHARLES BLAIR > TAVENER COLLECTION. I received a page, containing a surname I am > researching, from a volunteer from Thomas Balch Library. A sample to help > with transcription was sent with that page, but the sample did not include > the abbreviations that would help me. > > I wonder if someone on the list has had some experience transcribing > this Tavener Collection? If so, would you be willing to look at a scanned > copy of my page to see if you can tell me what it says? > > I would certainly appreciate the help.....thank you. > > Glenda > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > Join the Loudoun Co., VA Genealogical Society! > For information contact: > Loudoun Genealogy Club > P.O. Box 254 > Leesburg, VA 20178 > Annual Dues are only $10

Hello, I am hoping that someone on the list is familiar with THE CHARLES BLAIR TAVENER COLLECTION. I received a page, containing a surname I am researching, from a volunteer from Thomas Balch Library. A sample to help with transcription was sent with that page, but the sample did not include the abbreviations that would help me. I wonder if someone on the list has had some experience transcribing this Tavener Collection? If so, would you be willing to look at a scanned copy of my page to see if you can tell me what it says? I would certainly appreciate the help.....thank you. Glenda

Virginia, May I be so rude as to ask.....while you are going through the film would you make a note for me if you should see the name George Turner born 3 June 1731 with any date....marriage in particular. He did not die in Loudoun County, VA but was born in Northumberland and lived in Loudoun most of his life. His first wife was Hannah Middleton...for which I have nothing in spite of 30 some odd years of searching every Middeton in the colonies from north to south! His second wife was Ann or Nancy Anderson who I believe (have not proven) he married in Loudoun Co, VA. Gratefully, Ila

Greetings to all living veterans! I wish to honor my husband who served the US Army in the Korean War in communications. His recent regret is that he is too old to go help out right now! Praise the following: my Dad, Henry J. Krages, who served in WW II, now deceased. my b-i-l, William Arthur Shortt, who served in the Air Force in Okinawa after the Korean War. my husband's ggGrandfather, Walter Hamden Simms, who served with the 4th Virginia Cavalry in the War Between the States, now deceased. We sometimes fail to count our blessings, but for those who served we might not be free. So I salute each and every military draftee as well as those who chose to make a career of their service. And a big thank you to all mankind who serve, even if not in a military capacity. Tosca

For my ggrandfather David Shoemaker served with Co. D 121st Regiment of Ohio Infantry Civil War Kennesaw Mountain GA which is my connection to Loudoun Co. VA. My ggggrandfather Adam Shoemaker was born 25 Dec. 1779 in Loudoun Co. For my (however many great's) James White, enlisted in Fauquier Co. Va 1776, served in Capt. John Ashby's Company, Colonels' Mercer and Weadon's 3rd Virginia Regiment, Major Nelson's corps of light horse and served to end of the war. He was in the battles of Brandywine, Germantown, Monmouth, Burford's Defeat, Siege of Yorktown and taking of Cornwallis. For my ggrandfather Peter Boger served with Co. B. 121st. O.V.I. For my ggrandfather Isaac White b. in Hampshire Co. VA served with Co. D 132nd Regiment O.V.I. For my gggrandfather Erastus B. Martin served with Co. J 110th Regiment Ohio Volunteers, served three years. He was at the battle of Winchester June 15, 1863, captured and taken to Richmond, VA and then put on Belle Island in the middle of James River. He was to the Rebel Hospital in Richmond. He was mustered out at Washington D.C. from Finley General Hospital June 17, 1865. My ggUncle Peter Strine Co. B of the 121st. Regiment of Ohio killed near Kennesaw Mt. June 23, 1864 by a sharpshooter while walking guard duty. My brother and brother-in-law who served in the Army Air Corp in Italy and flew over the hump in India. My Uncle Robert L. Purgett SM3C who died in action when the U.S.S. Duncan DD 485 sank October 12, 1942 battle of Espirito Santos and his Memorial is on the wall in Manila. My husband who was in the Air Force Korean War. My grandchildren who were in Desert Storm. To those who gave all in Afghanistan, those in the WTC and Pentagon May those who died rest in peace, those that are serving know our gratitude. God Bless America Tootsie Shoemaker T.

> My Turners of Loudoun Co were members of Truro Parish which was Episcopalian, > > I believe. When my line migrated to KY in the 1780s I believe they became > Baptists. Possibly because that was the Protestant religion available at the This is a pretty good indication they were Baptists all the time. Before the disestablishment of the Episcopal church in Virginia everyone had to support the Episcopal church; other faiths like the Baptists particularly were persecuted. I think non-episcopal preachers may not have been granted the equivalent of licenses to perform marriages, for example. The Baptists were also very active in the campaign separating church from state. The Baptists also organized some migrations out of Virginia into Kentucky very early (around 1780). This seems to be the hidden history in some of my families. (Using VA and KY in their modern sense, of course)

For my husband, Ed. P. Webb, III, USN, who served aboard the USS Diamond Head during Vietnam. For my father, Charles C. ADAMS, USN, who served aboard USS Casco during WWII. For my husband's uncle, Ed. P. WEBB, Jr., USN, who died aboard the USS Birmingham in the Leyte Gulf during WWII. For my 2nd great-grandfather, David Thomas PEARCE, who served with Co. E., 8th VA Infantry, CSA and was wounded at Balls Bluff. For my 2nd great-grandfather, George W. PYNE, who served with Company C, 19th Infantry VA, CSA, and became a POW. For my 5th great-grandfather, Thomas LLOYD, who served for three years in the Virginia Continental Army. Thank you, gentlemen, for your service and your sacrifice. We have not forgotten. A LINK FOR MEMORIAL DAY . . . Please check out The American Battle Monuments Commission at http://www.abmc.gov/ This agency is responsible for commemorating the services of our Armed Forces since WW I. It was there that I found out that my husband's uncle who died in the Leyte Gulf has his name inscribed on a memorial wall in Manila. The commission sent us a picture of the memorial with a close up shot of his name on the wall. There's a lot of info there for anyone who is researching ancestors who served since WW I and the staff is extremely helpful. Sandy Adams

Thanks Marty, The Obit says with his parents. His wife was born Pickaway Co. Oh. they married in Hocking Co. 1843, lived in Vinton Co.sold land in 1849 there, In 1850 census Vinton co. Cant find him in 60 Entered Civil War from there in 62.. Lots of Turners there, so far haven't been able to find a line related. Mary

I would like to honor my gggggrandfather Nicholas Fry who served in the 4th Maryland Regiment of the Continental Line ( commonly known as the German Battalion. He served his country well, and for this we honor him and thank him. Marilyn

Very well said Shelvy Thank you, Rena list manager

To JOHN ROBERT McARTOR, who fell at Gettysburg defending his Upperville, Virginia, home and his Loudoun County kin; To ROBERT WILLOUGHBY KEEN McARTOR, my father, who survived WW I after being gassed; To THOMAS McARTOR whose name is engraved on a Leesburg Courthouse monument, who fell on WW II at D-Day; To my brother, BRUCE EDWARD McARTOR, who was wounded during two tours in Vietnam' and to all the other McArtors and their friends who served. . . My snappiest salute!! Aye, Bob McArtor

Rena wrote: The Memorial Day weekend is upon us. Let us remember our Men and Women who kept our country free, that each one of them may be mentioned here if you like. I would like to honor my father : Therman Roy Baxter 1924-1991 U S Army WWII Purple Heart Rena I send this message to all who have loved ones who have served or is serving in one of the branches of the military. There are very few if any families that do not have someone, father, mother,brother,sister, aunt, uncle, cousin, grandfather, grandmother connected in someway...husband, wife or self! Lets send our thanks to each and every one! I'm a military wife of a Korean and Vietnam veteran and know these folks deserve all the respect and love and understanding we can give them. LETS COMMERATE ALL OF THEM!!! I've not seen any other posts...come on folks..I for one think we should all log in on this special day and honor our loved ones past and present!!!! Shelvy