Hi Norma....please forgive me for being so tardy in replying to your e-mail of almost a month ago (all my family live near here and have been involved in some of their moving, etc...very little time for the computer, and it took a "shutdown surge', too...which didn't help!). But still have your e-mails and one question I can answer right off the bat. Can't identify the CHARLES STONEBURNER... about the only one I have next to nothing on. Haven't had time to check the FREYs to see where your SARAH FRY (who mar. JOHN HEINRICH STEINBRENNER..in 1825) comes in, either, but will check on that next. Can you briefly outline exactly who/what you need looked for at this stage....and I promise I'll get back to you as quickly as possible on that. I have the births of JOHANN HEINRICH STEINBRENNER and MARIA MAGDALENA LONG taken from the Loudoun Co., VA records, I presume...might be those of the New Jerusalem Lutheran Church, Lovettsville, Loudoun Co., VA....where a lot of STEINBRENNER/STONEBURNERs attended. Also a list of those he had with SARAH FRY...and that list states they were all born in Lovettsville, VA...so probably of same church. Sorry it has taken so long, but will surely try to do better next time! Rosalie Lucas Hartinger Gulfport, Florida

Hi Janice....I am so very sorry to learn that you recently lost your husband. It will take a little while to go through all the STONEBURNER data I have, but will get back to you within the week to let you know if I have any more data re JAMES W. STONEBURNER (b. 12/23/1847) who mar. CORDELIA CATON, and who lived around Muskingum Co.,OH. Surely hope I can find something for you. Rosalie Lucas Hartinger Gulfport, Florida

Dear Rosalie Do you have any information on James W. Stoneburner, b 12/23/1847, d. 3/28/1920? He married my great grandmother's sister, Cordelia Caton, and they had a daughter, Cordelia "Minta" Stoneburner, b. 12/27/1873, all born in Muskingum Co. I have not been active the last few months in genealogy as my husband was very ill. He passed away last Sunday and I miss him so very, very much. Janice Gonzalez

Hello again, Gary. You will note I am also copying the Loudoun Co., VA website,too, on my answer, (where you first encountered my posting perhaps?), for so many of our mutual family lines who came to the Muskingum/Perry/Hocking Cos.,OH area migrated directly from Loudoun Co., VA. First off, your SOLOMON STONEBURNER (b. 2 Feb. 1803..New Jerusalem Luth.Ch.Record, Lovettsville, Loudoun Co.,VA... who mar. 13 Sept. 1821 ELIZABETH FAWLEY, Muskingum Co., OH...d. 25 Jan. 1853, Newton Twp.Musk.Co.,OH) is the brother of my SARAH (SALLY ANN) STONEBURNER, b. 10 June 1809 (same as above record), d.. 8 May 1898 Perry Co.,OH; mar. 8 Jan. 1829, Perry Co.,OH, HENRY ANSEL. (Have the ANSEL family, too.). They were indeed the children (10 in all) of JACOB STONEBURNER & MARGARET HARSCHELL/HARTZELL, who mar. in Frederick Co., MD on 9 August 1798. JACOB, in turn, was s/o FREDERICK STONEBURNER, probably by unknown first wife (m. 2nd JULIANA COMPHER; 3) ELIZABETH RASOR). I have pictures of FREDERICK's very impressive homestead in Lancaster, Co.,OH, and information on their burial site, etc. I do have the names of the (9?) children of SOLOMON & ELIZABETH (BETSY) FAWLEY STONEBURNER, but not much on birthdates, nor spouses' names, where died/buried, etc.. Have you any data on them you can provide? Apparently you descend through their daughter, SUSAN, who mar. 1st? ZACHEUS MAUK (apparently died, 1845, soon after their mar. 17 November 1844.). Actually, if you wish to provide a mailing address, it would be far easier to copy some things off and send to you. These families intermarried so very much it is far too complicated to convey all their tie-ins via e-mail. Hope this helps somewhat...... and we most certainly are "cousins"!:>) Rosalie Lucas Hartinger Gulfport, Florida

Please contact me personally Rena Worthen [email protected] Genealogy without documentation is MYTHOLOGY Founder and President Craig - Botetourt Genealogy Club

Maybe someone can help. please Respond to [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Loudoun Genealogical Society Please help me find an address or phone for the above. I used to belong and looked forward to the Newsletter. I have relocated and would like to re-establish my membership. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Marie Garrett (Howser/Newton)

My deepest sympathy Jack. As a fellow genealogist, please do not let her hard work get lost. If you donate it to your local historical society it may be of help to others and a recognition for all the work she has done. Mena Mead -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Re: VALOUDOU-D Digest V05 #187 To whom it may concern: You have been e-mailing information to my wife Barbara. I assume the information was related to genealogy matters. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but my wife passed away a few months ago and since I'm not into genealogy I am requesting that you remove Barbara from you distribution list. On behalf of Barbara, thank you for your past interest in helping her. Sincerely, Jack Huffman ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person.

This was very informative and kinder and gentler. -----Original Message----- From: Janean Ray [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 3:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] spelling variations Not only was it often done phonetically but people just were not very good at spelling back then, plus things have been transcribed over and over. Here's an example and I bet it was not only transcribed as written but as it looked, remember their handwriting was quite different than ours. "his wife, mother and all ower friends are well"; "the exr of Hew Brent deced cant discharge his debt if you git ye Coat-of-Arms do send me a seal of it"; "My wife joynes with me in Love to you and my sister, not forgiting our little nease". And always remember folks, we aren't necessarily the best typists in the world or do we proof read and do spell check so be careful what you take as gospel when it comes to spelling and forgive those who can't. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Re: VALOUDOU-D Digest V05 #187 > On the subject of "Spelling," I think it was primarily PHONETIC in the "old > days," until our friend, Noah Webster (maybe one of Ross' "kin") came along > to standardize things and make life a lot easier. We should never assume > someone is NOT related to us, just because they spell their name slightly > different from the way we do. During the Civil War, one of my cousins' families > dropped the "a" from Steadman to become Stedman--in protest of the side his family > chose to fight on. Makes life very interesting, to say the least!! > > Patti Jones Schacht > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person.

To whom it may concern: You have been e-mailing information to my wife Barbara. I assume the information was related to genealogy matters. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but my wife passed away a few months ago and since I'm not into genealogy I am requesting that you remove Barbara from you distribution list. On behalf of Barbara, thank you for your past interest in helping her. Sincerely, Jack Huffman

Not only was it often done phonetically but people just were not very good at spelling back then, plus things have been transcribed over and over. Here's an example and I bet it was not only transcribed as written but as it looked, remember their handwriting was quite different than ours. "his wife, mother and all ower friends are well"; "the exr of Hew Brent deced cant discharge his debt if you git ye Coat-of-Arms do send me a seal of it"; "My wife joynes with me in Love to you and my sister, not forgiting our little nease". And always remember folks, we aren't necessarily the best typists in the world or do we proof read and do spell check so be careful what you take as gospel when it comes to spelling and forgive those who can't. lol ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Re: VALOUDOU-D Digest V05 #187 > On the subject of "Spelling," I think it was primarily PHONETIC in the "old > days," until our friend, Noah Webster (maybe one of Ross' "kin") came along > to standardize things and make life a lot easier. We should never assume > someone is NOT related to us, just because they spell their name slightly > different from the way we do. During the Civil War, one of my cousins' families > dropped the "a" from Steadman to become Stedman--in protest of the side his family > chose to fight on. Makes life very interesting, to say the least!! > > Patti Jones Schacht > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > >

Funny you should say that about the Steadmans, mine did the same and were from Loudoun. (protested which side of the civil war they were on) I have Steadman notes at home, let's exchange! [email protected] Brenda J Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Re: VALOUDOU-D Digest V05 #187 On the subject of "Spelling," I think it was primarily PHONETIC in the "old days," until our friend, Noah Webster (maybe one of Ross' "kin") came along to standardize things and make life a lot easier. We should never assume someone is NOT related to us, just because they spell their name slightly different from the way we do. During the Civil War, one of my cousins' families dropped the "a" from Steadman to become Stedman--in protest of the side his family chose to fight on. Makes life very interesting, to say the least!! Patti Jones Schacht ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person.

On the subject of "Spelling," I think it was primarily PHONETIC in the "old days," until our friend, Noah Webster (maybe one of Ross' "kin") came along to standardize things and make life a lot easier. We should never assume someone is NOT related to us, just because they spell their name slightly different from the way we do. During the Civil War, one of my cousins' families dropped the "a" from Steadman to become Stedman--in protest of the side his family chose to fight on. Makes life very interesting, to say the least!! Patti Jones Schacht

Loudoun is a county of many spellings as i can see on this list. Please don't yell at the "folks" about Spelling!!! Rena List Adm. Rena Worthen [email protected] Genealogy without documentation is MYTHOLOGY Founder and President Craig - Botetourt Genealogy Club

Do the naming patterns change for the English, Welsh and Scottish families? Brenda J Scott -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Meives [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] middle names Alice, This is somewhat late,but in regards to what you have found to be familiar to German naming patterns , I have found almost the same in my husbands German early families. In the 1800's the first two names were often the same such as John George , then a baptismal name , followed by a call name, followed by the last name. Sometime the bap. and the call name were the same. Our German lines were Catholic. I was told by a priest in Germany , the first two names indicated this person was of the family of John George ,last name what ever , which in our case was Meiwes. My husbands grandfather bo 1839 Delbruck Germany was named John George Ferinand Benjamin Meiwes. He went by Benjamin. It seems this John George identified all male members of this family and in many families continued on to grandchildren etc..They did not always continue. Our family grandfather came to the US in 1850, married here and his several sons had only first, middle and last name. Most were called by their first name. This is a large family , most are Catholic and names are often repeated. My husband s father is Al, he is an Al jr, our son is the 3rd aqnd his son the 4th. This all came about before I began researching . One never knows . This really has not caused a problem in our family . Yet- I don't understand why you have not come up with at least one middle name. Maybe it has something to do with religion, which is why I stated ours. This John George is still used in some of our families in my husbands gen. and in all of our families back into the !600's as far as i've gotten. I'd like to know if you find any other patterns. Good Luck, Barbara. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] middle names > Your question on the nameing practice is a good one....I do know that the early Dutch and German families very often had a first and middle name....My understanding is that they often used the middle name as what they called their "Calling" name and that the first name was a Baptismal name....In the eighteen Hundreds I also have had problems with the use of the same first name over and over in every generation and not a sign of a middle name....aaaahgh... > Maybe some one with more expertise can clarify a bit....Alice > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your Loudoun Co. surnames lately? > New members are joining our mailing list every day. > Be sure to periodically remind us of your Loudoun research interests. > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen [email protected]

I have seen it spelled, from old documents several different ways. One of them was Loudon. I always check several ways and come up with many good items! Brenda J Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Re: VALOUDOU-D Digest V05 #182 Please teach folks how to spell LOUDOUN!!! Thanks!!! A LOUDOUN descendant, Patti Jones Schacht ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== Have you posted your Loudoun Co. surnames lately? New members are joining our mailing list every day. Be sure to periodically remind us of your Loudoun research interests.

Thank you Patti, that is one of my bothers, BUT in Tennessee "Loudon" is correct--I have folks in both counties. Bob McArtor researching all McARTOR folks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Re: VALOUDOU-D Digest V05 #182 > Please teach folks how to spell LOUDOUN!!! > > Thanks!!! > > A LOUDOUN descendant, > Patti Jones Schacht > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your Loudoun Co. surnames lately? > New members are joining our mailing list every day. > Be sure to periodically remind us of your Loudoun research interests. > >

Please teach folks how to spell LOUDOUN!!! Thanks!!! A LOUDOUN descendant, Patti Jones Schacht

Dear Barbara...Thanks for your interesting reply....I soppose my post was a bit misleading...I have a Johannes Ludwig Rightmire that I am trying to determine if he is the Rightmire that my 3rd great Grandfather James Rightmire ties into..I had found info on naming practices on line so am not an expert. Indications are that they were probably protestant. ..IN the late 1700's and for most of the 1800's middle names are in short supply although each generation has at least one and usually several of the following James, John, Benjamin, Harrison and Abraham....I have one exception...an Abraham D. or sometimes just A.D. used...I do not know what the D. stands for. i don't know which is the most confusing..to many names or just one name...Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Meives" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] middle names > Alice, This is somewhat late,but in regards to what you have found to be > familiar to German naming patterns , I have found almost the same in my > husbands German early families. In the 1800's the first two names were often > the same such as John George , then a baptismal name , followed by a call > name, > followed by the last name. Sometime the > bap. and the call name were the same. > Our German lines were Catholic. I was told by a priest in Germany , the > first two names indicated this person was of the family of John George ,last > name what ever , which in our case was Meiwes. My > husbands grandfather bo 1839 Delbruck Germany was named John George Ferinand > Benjamin Meiwes. He went by Benjamin. It seems this John George > identified all male members of this family > and in many families continued on to > grandchildren etc..They did not always > continue. Our family grandfather came to the US in 1850, married here and > his several sons had only first, middle and last name. Most were called by > their first name. This is a large family , most are > Catholic and names are often repeated. > My husband s father is Al, he is an Al jr, > our son is the 3rd aqnd his son the 4th. > This all came about before I began researching . One never knows . This > really has not caused a problem in our family . Yet- I don't understand why > you have not come up with at least one middle name. Maybe it has something > to do with > religion, which is why I stated ours. This > John George is still used in some of our families in my husbands gen. and in > all of > our families back into the !600's as far as i've gotten. I'd like to know if > you find any > other patterns. Good Luck, Barbara. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:27 PM > Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] middle names > > >> Your question on the nameing practice is a good one....I do know that the > early Dutch and German families very often had a first and middle name....My > understanding is that they often used the middle name as what they called > their "Calling" name and that the first name was a Baptismal name....In the > eighteen Hundreds I also have had problems with the use of the same first > name over and over in every generation and not a sign of a middle > name....aaaahgh... >> Maybe some one with more expertise can clarify a bit....Alice >> >> >> ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== >> Have you posted your Loudoun Co. surnames lately? >> New members are joining our mailing list every day. >> Be sure to periodically remind us of your Loudoun research interests. >> >> > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > >

Barbara, how do you pronounce your last name. I am curious. My husband's German last name is Mevis, spelled Mewes in Germany, and pronounced Mavis. I know that Mews is also pronounced Mavis. Julianne Mevis -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Meives <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:32:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] middle names Alice, This is somewhat late,but in regards to what you have found to be familiar to German naming patterns , I have found almost the same in my husbands German early families. In the 1800's the first two names were often the same such as John George , then a baptismal name , followed by a call name, followed by the last name. Sometime the bap. and the call name were the same. Our German lines were Catholic. I was told by a priest in Germany , the first two names indicated this person was of the family of John George ,last name what ever , which in our case was Meiwes. My husbands grandfather bo 1839 Delbruck Germany was named John George Ferinand Benjamin Meiwes. He went by Benjamin. It seems this John George identified all male members of this family and in many families continued on to grandchildren etc..They did not always continue. Our family grandfather came to the US in 1850, married here and his several sons had only first, middle and last name. Most were called by their first name. This is a large family , most are Catholic and names are often repeated. My husband s father is Al, he is an Al jr, our son is the 3rd aqnd his son the 4th. This all came about before I began researching . One never knows . This really has not caused a problem in our family . Yet- I don't understand why you have not come up with at least one middle name. Maybe it has something to do with religion, which is why I stated ours. This John George is still used in some of our families in my husbands gen. and in all of our families back into the !600's as far as i've gotten. I'd like to know if you find any other patterns. Good Luck, Barbara. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] middle names > Your question on the nameing practice is a good one....I do know that the early Dutch and German families very often had a first and middle name....My understanding is that they often used the middle name as what they called their "Calling" name and that the first name was a Baptismal name....In the eighteen Hundreds I also have had problems with the use of the same first name over and over in every generation and not a sign of a middle name....aaaahgh... > Maybe some one with more expertise can clarify a bit....Alice > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your Loudoun Co. surnames lately? > New members are joining our mailing list every day. > Be sure to periodically remind us of your Loudoun research interests. > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen [email protected]

That is awesome information. Some try to remove the religion from the development of our country when every thing we read says that religion played a important role. It appears that they allowed the church to worship in the courthouse. Did I read that right?