Pat, Thank you friend, Sondra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Duncan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] natural child > From http://www.genealogyforum.com/gfaol/beginners/trends.htm > > Natural child - when the term "natural" is used the researcher should not > jump to a conclusion that it denotes an illegitimate relationship. It is > meant to indicate a relationship by blood rather than one by marriage or > adoption. An illegitimate child may be called "my base son" or "my bastard > son." > > Pat Duncan > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sondra Foley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:59 PM > Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] natural child > > >> If they used the term "natural child" in a document or a will what was >> the meaning, if the child was not the child of the person making the will >> [ not father ] but, the child of his wife ???. >> Thank you for any help, >> Sondra >> >> >> >> ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== >> To contact Listowner: >> Rena Worthen [email protected] >> >> > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. >

1. "The American Dictionary of the English Language": Many definitions of the word "natural" including (10) "Illegitimate. Said of offspring." I've found this true in at least one old will. 2. "Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary": "3a (1) begotten as distinguished from adopted; also: LEGITIMATE (2) being a relation by actual consanguinity as distinguished from adoption<~parents> b illegitimate<a~child>." Barbara Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sondra Foley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] natural child > If they used the term "natural child" in a document or a will what was the meaning, if the child was not the child of the person making the will [ not father ] but, the child of his wife ???. > Thank you for any help, > Sondra > > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected]

If they used the term "natural child" in a document or a will what was the meaning, if the child was not the child of the person making the will [ not father ] but, the child of his wife ???. Thank you for any help, Sondra

From http://www.genealogyforum.com/gfaol/beginners/trends.htm Natural child - when the term "natural" is used the researcher should not jump to a conclusion that it denotes an illegitimate relationship. It is meant to indicate a relationship by blood rather than one by marriage or adoption. An illegitimate child may be called "my base son" or "my bastard son." Pat Duncan [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sondra Foley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 6:59 PM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] natural child > If they used the term "natural child" in a document or a will what was the > meaning, if the child was not the child of the person making the will [ > not father ] but, the child of his wife ???. > Thank you for any help, > Sondra > > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > >

Pat, Have you compared the signatures of Sebastian on the two marriage bonds? That should help you decided if there were one or two Sebastians. Did Sebastian own land in Loudoun? Any mention of his estate on the land taxes after 1841? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Duncan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Mordica and Sebastian McPherson of Loudoun and Fairfax > Since the list is very slow right now I thought I would post a query. > > Looking for additional information about the Mordica McPherson and > Sebastian > McPherson who appear on the following Loudoun Co Personal Property Tax > lists: > > 1789 - Mordica McPherson and Sebastian McPherson > 1790 Second Battalion - Mordica McPherson, Jno. McPherson, and Sebastian > McPherson > 1791 Second Battalion - Mordica McPherson, Jno. McPherson, Sibastian > McPherson, and Johnson Goins > 1792 Second Battalion - John McPherson, M. McPherson, S. McPherson, and > Aquilla Ogden > 1793 Second Battalion - John McPherson, Moses McPherson, Aquilla Ogden and > S. McPherson > 1794 Second Battalion - Moredock McPherson, John McPherson, and Sebastian > McPherson > 1795-1977 Second Battalion/Cameron Parish - Sebastinan/Sebastian McPherson > 1827A-1830B First District McPherson, Sebastian > 1831A-1832B Second District McPherson, Sebastian & son Noah > 1834A First District McPherson, Sebastian > 1837A-1841A First District McPherson, Sabastion/Sebastian > > From the Fairfax Co Personal Property Tax Lists: > 1798C - 1823B - McPherson, Sabastion/Sebastian > 1823B, 1825B - McPherson, Sebastian & son Wm. > > Sebastian McPherson appears on the 1810 Fairfax Co Va Census with 5 > children, and on the 1820 Fairfax Co Census, Truro Parish, as Sabastine > McPherson? A Sebastian McPherson appears in Loudoun on the 1830 and 1840 > Census. > > Sebastian's daughter Catharine married Samuel Ball in 1832 in Loudoun. > His > daughter, Cynthia, married I. Comstock in 1825 in Fairfax Co. A Sebastian > McPherson married a Sally Felby on 25 May 1836 in Loudoun, bond by E. > Thompson. Is this the same, or a son of the above? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Pat Duncan > [email protected] >

Since the list is very slow right now I thought I would post a query. Looking for additional information about the Mordica McPherson and Sebastian McPherson who appear on the following Loudoun Co Personal Property Tax lists: 1789 - Mordica McPherson and Sebastian McPherson 1790 Second Battalion - Mordica McPherson, Jno. McPherson, and Sebastian McPherson 1791 Second Battalion - Mordica McPherson, Jno. McPherson, Sibastian McPherson, and Johnson Goins 1792 Second Battalion - John McPherson, M. McPherson, S. McPherson, and Aquilla Ogden 1793 Second Battalion - John McPherson, Moses McPherson, Aquilla Ogden and S. McPherson 1794 Second Battalion - Moredock McPherson, John McPherson, and Sebastian McPherson 1795-1977 Second Battalion/Cameron Parish - Sebastinan/Sebastian McPherson 1827A-1830B First District McPherson, Sebastian 1831A-1832B Second District McPherson, Sebastian & son Noah 1834A First District McPherson, Sebastian 1837A-1841A First District McPherson, Sabastion/Sebastian From the Fairfax Co Personal Property Tax Lists: 1798C - 1823B - McPherson, Sabastion/Sebastian 1823B, 1825B - McPherson, Sebastian & son Wm. Sebastian McPherson appears on the 1810 Fairfax Co Va Census with 5 children, and on the 1820 Fairfax Co Census, Truro Parish, as Sabastine McPherson? A Sebastian McPherson appears in Loudoun on the 1830 and 1840 Census. Sebastian's daughter Catharine married Samuel Ball in 1832 in Loudoun. His daughter, Cynthia, married I. Comstock in 1825 in Fairfax Co. A Sebastian McPherson married a Sally Felby on 25 May 1836 in Loudoun, bond by E. Thompson. Is this the same, or a son of the above? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Pat Duncan [email protected]

Pat, As usual, thanks for your prompt reply. I think that old note must have been wrong to begin with and later on we found that John J. Templer estate settlement with your help and I have copies of it. He is one of the few Templer children to remain in Virginia along with Esther Templer Trammell. My guess is something got scrambled in that old note with the William Thatcher you listed just above the John Templer estate. Probably just did not recognize the change in references when it was written down. The Thomas Templer and son, Stacy you listed are my 3rd and 2nd great grandfathers. In 1835, while on their way through Ohio, Stacy married in Knox County and then both couples are in Coles County, IL, in 1840. So they obviously left shortly after the 1834 list was rendered. Thanks, Charlie Templer

A question for anyone on the list: I have an old note in my files that indicates a Thomas Templer and some Templer children were mentioned in a William Thatcher will in 1831 in Loudoun County, VA. I have no knowledge of where this note even comes from other than a reference to Court Order and Minute Books 1757 - Present. We know from early census data that Thomas Templer had more than one child but have yet to figure out who any of the others are. Perhaps this is a clue? Does anyone know of such a will in 1831 or what it might say? Thanks, Charlie Templer _www.geocities.com/templerfamily_ (http://www.geocities.com/templerfamily)

From "Loudoun Co Will Book Abstracts, Books A-Z, Dec 1757 - Jun 1841" by Pat Duncan: THATCHER, William Appraisal of 6 Nov 1829: farm and household items totaling $179.52½. Aprs: Thomas GREGG, Enos NICHOLS, J. B. OVERFIELD. Returned to court 8 Mar 1830. [S:167] Settlement with estate of Admr John TEMPLER dec'd: Court order dated 12 Sep 1831; payments, etc, totaling $179.02½. Scrs: Joshua OSBURN, Thomas GREGG. Returned to court 13 Feb 1832. [T:358] Settlement with Committee Admr Shff Johnston CLEVELAND: payments beginning 25 Aug 1832, leaving $266.07. Returned to court 10 Nov 1834. [V:320] TEMPLER, John Appraisal: deed of trust, notes, household and farm items, totaling $2248.75¼. Aprs: Charles TAYLOR, Mahlon MORRIS, Timothy TAYLOR Jr. Returned to court 9 May 1831. [T:148] Settlement of 1 Dec 1831 with Admrs Enos NICHOLS & Thomas TEMPLER: CtOD 12 Sep 1831; payments, Nancy TEMPLER widow, Thomas TEMPLER as Guardian for Catherine, Nancy & Elizabeth TEMPLER infant children, James TEMPLER as one of the heirs, Enos NICHOLS as Guardian of William TEMPLER one of the infant children, payments among 6 children of $196.21½ each. Scrs: Joshua OSBURN, Thomas GREGG. Returned to court 13 Feb 1832. [T:356] There is no will for William Thatcher. The only mention of a William Thatcher in "Loudoun Co Wills 1757-1850" by Hutchison" is: Thatcher, Richard, G:245, 1804 Thatcher, Mary, Wife Thatcher, William, Son Thatcher, Jonah, Son Thatcher, Calvin, Son Thatcher, Nancy, Daughter Thatcher, Albine, Daughter Taylor, Stacy, executor Brown, George, witness Palmer, William E., witness Chamblin, John, witness The only mentions of any Templer in the Loudoun Will by Hutchison are: Patterson, Flemon Wilson, L:289, 1815 Hixon, Flemon, son of Timothy Hixon, Margaret, Administrator Morgan, John Rogers, Flemon, son of James, in Ky. Carnahan, George Templer, John, son of William Williams, John, executor Phillips, Thomas, executor Neale, W. S., witness Potts, Jonas, witness Schooley, John, witness Myers, Lambert, S:355, 1830 Myers, Mary Ann, Daughter, <21 Myers, Abigail, Daughter Myers, Delilah, Daughter Myers, Jacob, Son Myers, Washington, Son Myers, Mary, Wife Myers, William, Son Myers, Lambert, Son Lee, George negro man Schooley, William, Son-in-law Braden, John, witness Templer, William, witness From the CD "Index to the 1782-1850 Loudoun Co Personal Property Tax Lists" by Pat Duncan: 1827B Second District Templer, Thomas [indicates 2 white male tithables] 1828A Second District Templar, Thomas [indicates 1 white male tithable] 1829A Second District Templar, Thomas [indicates 1 white male tithable] 1831A Second District Templer, Thomas & son Stace 1833B Second District Templer, Thomas & son Stacy 1834B Second District Templer, Thomas & son Stacy Pat Duncan [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] William Thatcher > A question for anyone on the list: > > I have an old note in my files that indicates a Thomas Templer and some > Templer children were mentioned in a William Thatcher will in 1831 in > Loudoun > County, VA. I have no knowledge of where this note even comes from other > than a > reference to Court Order and Minute Books 1757 - Present. > > We know from early census data that Thomas Templer had more than one child > but have yet to figure out who any of the others are. Perhaps this is a > clue? > > Does anyone know of such a will in 1831 or what it might say? > > Thanks, > Charlie Templer > > _www.geocities.com/templerfamily_ (http://www.geocities.com/templerfamily) > > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > Researching JEWEL in Loudoun Co. > >

Good Morning Pat, Are these series at the Balche in Loudoun? Brenda J Scott Administrative Assistant Fleet Management Team -----Original Message----- From: Pat Duncan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald For those interested in the following series of books, please contact me directly. "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Mar 1891 - 28 Dec 1894" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 4 Jan 1895 - 30 Dec 1898" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Jan 1899 - 26 Dec 1902" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 2 Jan 1903 - 29 June 1906" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Jul 1906 - 25 Feb 1910" Pat Duncan [email protected] ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== Join the Rootsweb Genealogical Data Cooperative. Rootsweb members & sponsors are who make this list possible. http://www.rootsweb.com

Only two of the three books are currently available, with one of them having just been released in November. The other three books in the series should be available very soon. I do not know if Balch Library has the two books which are currently available. For more details about this series, contact me directly. Pat Duncan [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Brenda" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:53 AM Subject: RE: [VALOUDOU-L] Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald > Good Morning Pat, > Are these series at the Balche in Loudoun? > > Brenda J Scott > Administrative Assistant > Fleet Management Team > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Duncan [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald > > For those interested in the following series of books, please contact me > > directly. > > "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Mar > 1891 - 28 Dec 1894" > "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 4 Jan > 1895 - 30 Dec 1898" > "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Jan > 1899 - 26 Dec 1902" > "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 2 Jan > 1903 - 29 June 1906" > "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Jul > 1906 - 25 Feb 1910" > > Pat Duncan > [email protected] > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > Join the Rootsweb Genealogical Data Cooperative. > Rootsweb members & sponsors are who make this list possible. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > >

For those interested in the following series of books, please contact me directly. "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Mar 1891 - 28 Dec 1894" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 4 Jan 1895 - 30 Dec 1898" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Jan 1899 - 26 Dec 1902" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 2 Jan 1903 - 29 June 1906" "Genealogical Abstracts from the Brunswick Herald, Brunswick, Md, 6 Jul 1906 - 25 Feb 1910" Pat Duncan [email protected]

Thank you for your reply. Sondra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mena Mead" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [VALOUDOU-L] Thomas and Mary Stone >I see a Thomas Stone on Loudoun Co., Va., rent rolls of 1769,1771 and > 1772.Mena > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sondra Foley [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Thomas and Mary Stone > > Hello, > Can anyone give me some help on Thomas and Mary Stone living in Loudoun > Co.in mid 1700's. > I am trying to work out if they had a relationship to James Spencer [ same > county] if so what was the relationship ? > Sondra > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > Researching JEWEL in Loudoun Co. > >

I see a Thomas Stone on Loudoun Co., Va., rent rolls of 1769,1771 and 1772.Mena -----Original Message----- From: Sondra Foley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VALOUDOU-L] Thomas and Mary Stone Hello, Can anyone give me some help on Thomas and Mary Stone living in Loudoun Co.in mid 1700's. I am trying to work out if they had a relationship to James Spencer [ same county] if so what was the relationship ? Sondra ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== The First Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person.

Please feel free to send in stories about your Thanksgiving, especially any new information you may have found to futher your Genealogy research. May all of you who travel to be with families return safely. THANK you all for shareing throught the year, and for helping me have a successful list. After a snow fall that provided a white Thanksgiving Eve, we are having a beautiful sunny day. 53 degrees here. I'll be spending most of the day here trying to catch up, then going to dinner in Salem, Va. Rena Worthen [email protected] WHO, WHEN, and WHERE are the three essential ingredients for successful genealogical research! Genealogy without documentation is MYTHOLOGY Founder and President Craig - Botetourt Genealogy Club

I want to say "thank you" on this day set aside for that purpose. Thanks to all who so generously give of their time and resources to help others in their search for their past. So often we pick up information from emails and never bother to say thank you so today I want to let all listers know that they are truly appreciated. Happy Thanksgiving!!! Gwen

Hello, Can anyone give me some help on Thomas and Mary Stone living in Loudoun Co.in mid 1700's. I am trying to work out if they had a relationship to James Spencer [ same county] if so what was the relationship ? Sondra

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CONGRATULATIONS, PAT!! YOU DESERVE THAT AWARD AND MORE FOR ALL THE HELP YOU HAVE PROVIDED TO OTHERS OVER THE YEARS!!! THANKS FOR EVERYTHING--SHARLEEN

Congratulations Pat! And thanks for the info on where to find your books. Teresia F. Scott Hamilton, VA Genealogy, it's a family thing. Surnames: Sanders/Saunders, Smith, Cathcart, Jones, Combs, Barker, Hawn, Dunlevy, Clegg, Huckleberry, Yeary, Wallace, Russell, McCarty, Lowe, Legg, American Indian Places: Indiana, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Kentucky, Ireland, Germany On Nov 14, 2005, at 11:49 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > From: "Marty Hiatt" <[email protected]> > Date: November 14, 2005 6:12:03 AM EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Duncan Award > > > Dear Readers, > > Yesterday Patricia B. Duncan was honored (in absentia) with a Loudoun > History Award. Thomas Balch Library selects 4 special people every > year, and recognizes their contribution to the history of Loudoun > County. > I don't need to tell you OOTDs how helpful our Queen of Look-ups > always is, but I was amazed when her nominator, Bronwen Souders, > totaled Pat's efforts and said her publications amounted to 4,313 > pages of information used by local researchers and OOTDs (out-of-town > descendants). > > Congratulations Pat, it is an honor well earned. > > > Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG > "Document what you find, listen to what you are told, and especially, > love and respect your work." John Morris > > CG is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, > used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. > > ______________________________ > > > From: "Pat Duncan" <[email protected]> > Date: November 14, 2005 11:38:55 AM EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] VA Books by Pat Duncan and Marty Hiatt > > > Willow Bend Books carries a large assortment of Loudoun references, as > well > as other counties in Virginia and the entire country. > > Willow Bend Books: > 65 E. Main St. > Westminster, MD 21157-5026 > Phones: > 800-876-6103 > 410-876-6101 > Fax: 410-871-2674 > > http://www.willowbend.net/index.asp > questions: [email protected] > > Also check out the volunteer section of the Loudoun Co USGENWEB page > at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~valoudou/lookups.htm > > Pat Duncan > [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dottie Himes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: Re: [VALOUDOU-L] VA Books by Pat Duncan and Marty Hiatt > > >> >> Being that Marty Hiatt and Pat Duncan are two great genealogist and I >> am >> rather a newbie, is there somewhere that I could find the lists of the >> many books that they have written that have helped other Genealogists. >> >> Perhaps they may be of great help to my family seeking the Porter >> Family >> connections. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Dottie Porter Himes >> >> >> >> >> Dottie Himes >> Lewisport, KY 42351 >> [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > > From: Laura Rose <[email protected]> > Date: November 14, 2005 11:43:54 AM EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VALOUDOU-L]Remove from list > > > How do I get removed from this list? > > > Alice <[email protected]> wrote:Many Thanks and Congratulations Pat > Duncan..you have helped me many times....The Loudoun list is the best > and most helpful ...so a Thank you to all of you from a "Rightmire > sur-name" searcher who has a Loudoun County Virginia connection.... > and trying to search from Nebraska ...Alice > > > ==== VALOUDOU Mailing List ==== > Have you posted your Loudoun Co. surnames lately? > New members are joining our mailing list every day. > Be sure to periodically remind us of your Loudoun research interests. > > > > > > - ------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >