In a message dated 10/16/02 1:19:37 PM Central Daylight Time, jarmscoop@twinwolf.net writes: << There is a Jeremiah Vail b. abt. 1785 m. to Mary [Lillington Swann] Shouldn't the 1785 date be 1685? Otherwise, how did Jeremiah b. 1785 have a son b. 1710? In any case, this is Jeremiah(3), grandson of Jeremiah(1). Some of us think that it was he who went to NC and founded the NC line of Vails. >>They have a son Jeremiah b. 1710 m. to Elizabeth Young, who has a child Thomas m. to Hannah [Brown].<< This would be Jeremiah(4) Vail, presumably son of the Jeremiah(3) who went to NC. However, the matter of Jeremiah(3)'s children is very much open to question. <<Another tree has a Jeremiah Vail in N.C.>> Several, to be sure. >>Another one has Thomas Vail with wife Sarah [Wentworth] and a child of Samuel.<< This is Thomas(1). >>Additionally there is Isrial Vail with wife Mary Rodgers, four generations, including a Moses. I recall someone asking about Moses...maybe several queries about a Moses. >> The original Moses was a grandson of Thomas(1) and the subject of William Penn Vail's second genealogy. Steve Vail