weren't the Tudors of some partial Welsh ancestry? There's also "Mc" in Scotland... I think in Ireland the Gaelic was originally something like U or Ui- UiNeil, etc. Well Welsh, Irish, Scottish, and even Norman (Fitz) if it absorbed from Brittany, were all of a Keltic root. Quite interesting that ap should be retained in this country, though. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Oct 4, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Alice Warner wrote: > It actually spread in usage into England; this is after the time that > England went into Wales (under either Henry VIII or Edward IV... I > should know which since I have a class on that in half an hour) and > made > Wales follow English Common law. Wales and England, being on the same > smallish island, had a lot of overlap into the speech. > > Like someone just said in another email, it became "a" and "o" such as > "O'Neill". > > It isn't as specific; when I said Wales I was refering to that as the > origin of where it came from, not as the *recent* origin. > > Alice > > Sunshine49 wrote: >> this would be quite fascinating if so, as the term 'ap' is Welsh and >> does mean 'son of.' So why would a Welsh term be used there? Was the >> person recording it from Wales? >> >> Nancy >> >> ------- >> Living is an ongoing imperfection. >> >> -Sara Lukinson >> >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Kimberly Lemons wrote: >> >> >>> I think it means John is the legitimate son of William who is the >>> son of >>> Thomas. >>> Can someone verify that for me. >>> Kimberly >>> >>> Sina28@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi everybody, >>>> I'm trying to decipher a will. Can anybody tell me what >>>> >>>> "PARSONS, JOHN. Leg.-son WILLIAM ap THOMAS PARSONS" means? >>>> >>>> Any help really appreciated. >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- >>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, they were. English, while mostly Germanic in origin also has its celtic and romantic roots, so pretty much anything can come into English. Alice Sunshine49 wrote: > weren't the Tudors of some partial Welsh ancestry? > > There's also "Mc" in Scotland... > > I think in Ireland the Gaelic was originally something like U or Ui- > UiNeil, etc. Well Welsh, Irish, Scottish, and even Norman (Fitz) if > it absorbed from Brittany, were all of a Keltic root. > Quite interesting that ap should be retained in this country, though. > > Nancy > > ------- > I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. > > --Daniel Boone > > > > On Oct 4, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Alice Warner wrote: > > >> It actually spread in usage into England; this is after the time that >> England went into Wales (under either Henry VIII or Edward IV... I >> should know which since I have a class on that in half an hour) and >> made >> Wales follow English Common law. Wales and England, being on the same >> smallish island, had a lot of overlap into the speech. >> >> Like someone just said in another email, it became "a" and "o" such as >> "O'Neill". >> >> It isn't as specific; when I said Wales I was refering to that as the >> origin of where it came from, not as the *recent* origin. >> >> Alice >> >> Sunshine49 wrote: >> >>> this would be quite fascinating if so, as the term 'ap' is Welsh and >>> does mean 'son of.' So why would a Welsh term be used there? Was the >>> person recording it from Wales? >>> >>> Nancy >>> >>> ------- >>> Living is an ongoing imperfection. >>> >>> -Sara Lukinson >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Kimberly Lemons wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I think it means John is the legitimate son of William who is the >>>> son of >>>> Thomas. >>>> Can someone verify that for me. >>>> Kimberly >>>> >>>> Sina28@aol.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi everybody, >>>>> I'm trying to decipher a will. Can anybody tell me what >>>>> >>>>> "PARSONS, JOHN. Leg.-son WILLIAM ap THOMAS PARSONS" means? >>>>> >>>>> Any help really appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Linda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- >>>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- >>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAHENRIC-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >