This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cramer, Earl, Dillard Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VBC.2ACI/1277 Message Board Post: I am looking for information for the following two people: Israel Kaup Cramer b: 1833 PA d: 28 FEB 1911 Old Church, VA his wife: Annie Janet/Jennette (Earl) Cramer b. 1835, d. 1892 Virginia (probaby Hanover County as well) They lived with their daughter Susan and her husband John Dillard I think that the state of VA didn't collect death certs at the time of Israel's death, but I think they did at the time of Anne's death. I am looking for date of death for Annie, possibly a death certificate and obits for both. ANY help would be greatly appreciated and I would swap research time with anyone needing time in the Detroit Michigan area. Thanks a ton! Jessica Leonard jjleonard26@yahoo.com