Shirley: There are a bunch of references to a James Turner (the father?) in 1752 for "keeping" a Charles Goodin and a number of children for a James Turner way back in the 1710s (that James Turner d. 1718). Then in 1755 there's a birth for George son of James and Hannah Turner, March 5 (same date but different year as your James!) and in 1760 a Mary to the same parents, June 12. Lots of Turners but no James b. 1753. Looking for George... Hannah d to George Turner b. Jan. 14 1690/1 Robert son of George and Judeth Turner bapt 7 Aug 1698 Pennenah d of George Turner bapt 21 July 1700 Will son of George Turner bapt 17 Jan 1702/3 Elizabeth d of George Turner Ju bapt 13 Feb 17?? Mary d of George Turner bapt 29th Xbr 1707 George Turner d. March 6 1717 No Middletons, and no George or James after these. Again, lots and lots of Turners. I suspect that if you can find the father of your 1738 George that he's in here somewhere and you can jump way back. He'd be the right age (and there's the naming after your father) to be the son of the 1702 Will, for example. Don't know if this helps at all--good luck! David -----Original Message----- From: David and Shirley Wagstaff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [VAHANOVE] Re: Unidentified subject! Dear David, Apologies for waiting so long to be in touch and take you up on your kind offer. I should have been far more specific with the Turners I put online....but being a novice at this .....it flew away before I got the dates inserted. I am seeking information in regard to James Turner, SR born 5 march 1753 thought to be in or around Culpepper, VA. He was married to Margaret Headen/Heyden/Haydon (other varients). It is said they were married in upstate SC since she supposedly was born and reared in what is now Spartanburg County, SC about 1770. James Turner, SR was in SC in his early youth with his father. It is said that this particular George Turner (father of above James, SR) was born 1738 in Culpepper County, VA area, died 16 March 1804 in Spartanburg County, SC. According to a family bible which I have not seen nor seen copy from says that this George Turner was married to Hannah Middleton who was born about the same time as George Turner. They had one child, this son named James. She disappears at this juncture....death during childbirth, death from other cause, simply left the man, divorce? (not in those days?). George then moves to SC with his young son James where he later met and married again. I would like any confirmation to any of the above, would like to know parents of George Turner, his siblings....and of course a real push is on to locate place of burial for Hannah Middleton, her parent and siblings. I have searched for Hannah for some 30 years to no avail. I did the SC Middleton family ...lots of Hannah's but none that match up with a marriage with George, also the Maryland Middletons with same success (or lack), have done research in what is now West Virginia and a good deal of research in Virginia. Family tradtion says her father was one Thomas Middleton...about as common as the name Hannah! There was a Jane Middleton with two minor children Lettice and Hannah.....but no further records found for that group. Any leads would be appreciated, any data you can share would be appreciated for any of the above! Thanks! Shirley Wagstaff Bandon, Oregon (the land of heavenly things on the southern Oregon coast...remote as all get out....and no library!) ______________________________