Thanks for the answer to my question - at least part of it. What I am looking for are road records like those in Virginia. These are amazing! So full of names, dates, places, and most of all 'neighbors'! These are court records - most, pre-Rev. court records in re: to the maintenance of the roads. Anyone whose property the road pass through was responsible for that portion of the road and 'shared' the maintenance with neighbors. These neighbors took one another to court is their portion of the roads was not kept up, and when a neighbor 'left', was ill, became elderly with no sons at home, the neighbors shared the care of that part of the road. One of the best ways to use these records is in the case of ancestors with rather 'common' names, such as, oh, Taylor, Brown, Moore, etc. and if you know there was a marriage with another family of less familiar name, then look for them! Usually, you will find reference to your own ancestors in adjacent pages - works for me! Another is! to consider the size of the counties then! They were HUGE! Another invaluable aid is the 3 Vol. Scotch and Irish in Augusta County, Va. Although most of the settlers in the this area were predominantly of Scotch and/or Irish background, they were not the only ones in the area, and again these are court records of a HUGE county! stretching, at one time from W. Penn. to N.E. N.C. One of the major migrant routes from N. to S. went right through the county, others merged or were bordered by Augusta County since county lines followed rivers and old Indian trails, which were the easiest way to traverse the mountainous regions. Oh, and don't think the book 'Virginians in the Revolution' just lists Virginian! My Georgia ancestors are in there too! Clark's Bn. of the 'Illinois' were mostly Georgians or men from the Anderson District of S.C. Our country pre-Rev. was not cut into thousands of little pieces like it is now - areas were very large, and covered 100's of sq. miles, so don't be put off by the title of a book of records - check it out! You might be surprised! Now I need the N.C. book of roads! Any ideas? I ALWAYS listen! Diane S. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/343 - Release Date: 5/18/2006

Diane asked me in a private message whether the above colonies had records similar to those of Virginia. My experience in researching these states where I have had ancestors: Yes and NO Land records, censuses, and tax records are universal--except when they have been destroyed!!! An ambitious genealogist/author and sometime lecturer about North Carolina genealogy, and particularly land records, who is named Margaret M. Hofmann [note spelling] has reportedly stated it is her life's work to abstract and publish all the land grants of colonial North Carolina. I cannot speak for ALL of North Carolina, but she and A. B. Pruitt, who has abstracted and published many land surveys/warrants of early NC have pretty well covered colonial North Carolina, it seems to me. I do confess I have not studied ALL the areas of NC, but I have dipped into records of old Craven Co., NC (where New Bern is) over to the west in old Rowan Co. These two counties had many progeny counties. Let's say this: North Carolina has some diligent abstractors [or is that with an ers?] of all kinds. Weynette Parks Haun is another diligent abstractor of North Carolina records--of such items as Revolutionary Audited accounts [hard to read on microfilm, I can vouch for that], court records of many counties, etc. Georgia was not a very big colony in terms of land, until the American Indians *ceded* their land, mostly after the American Revolution. There are land lotteries records and tax digests to search for those colonial people, not to mention probates, etc. Georgia is a special case, and more and more records at the county level are being abstracted and published, thank goodness. Use the family History Library catalog (familysearch.org) to study PLACES. Look up Georgia, USA and then which counties you want to study. Be mindful that large counties nearly always divided. You may have to look at records of many counties. Research in South Carolina gives me one big headache. I will say little more. One of the excuses I heard a number of years ago at the Archives in Columbia: * Not only was Cornwallis here, but later Sherman came through [and destroyed the records].* You have to know some of your history to understand that statement. If you are researching South Carolina, try to get any booklets put out by the SC Archives. They are probably listed online. The names of the jurisdictions changed all the time, leading to a lot of confusion on the part of us genealogists. Let us say this: I found more about my South Carolinians when they moved to Mississippi Territory [which included some parts of Louisiana and Alabama] because of some of the wonderful records which that area maintained, including in Louisiana, notarial records and court records, etc. It is said that ALL the deeds in South Carolina were to have been recorded in Charleston until well after the American Revolution. My upcountry folks [Scottish and German] didn't bother it seems, and only after the county system was set up in South Carolina do some records appear--just before the death of my Revolutionary War ancestor in that colony!!!! To get a handle on what MIGHT be available in each PLACE, I use my online buddy--the Family History Library Catalog. It is on the lower right of the screen of this URL : _www.familysearch_ (http://www.familysearch) You can do a PLACE search [which will tell you when a county was formed and from what parent county], a title search, an author search, etc. If a film exists, ninety-nine times out of 100, you may be able to borrow that film from the FH Library in Salt Lake City through your nearby FHC. I don't know how many FHCs there are in your area, but there is also a link on their website to show you a list of over 3,500 centers around the world. One may be near your home. Be aware that your favorite library may well have some publication or film that Salt Lake City has not yet acquired, so always snoop, in whatever library you find yourself. University libraries have some amazing books and newspapers, but don't mention genealogy to most librarians!!!! And some community college libraries have amazing collections, particularly in the history and local history collections. Learn the cataloging system. Although some criticize the works of Dr. George K. Schweitzer of Knoxville, TN, who has compiled many guides to genealogical research to MANY states [at least east of the Mississippi River], I like his books to guide me in my research. Do a google.com search for Dr. George K. Schweitzer and note how many books he has published at a modest cost. I have worn out my first copy of his guide to Virginia research. If I am going to a state for which he has written a guide, I pack my copy of his guide in a Ziplock bag and put it in my suitcase. It is a quick reference to each important repository in the State, telling you what are the strengths, and giving in the back of the book, a breakdown for each county and what records exist. He tells you whether records have been destroyed. Best of luck to you. I hope you get to attend some seminars where there are some wonderful educational lectures--and listen to experienced genealogists around you. Listen to what experienced genealogists have to say--and study. One of my friends, who does genealogy in a number of countries, is difficult to deal with. Why? Because she always argues, *Yes, but.....* She would rather play games than listen. She always has a reason to argue with the person who is trying to give her guidance. If she knows it all, why does she ask us questions? E.W.Wallace

In a message dated 5/16/06 8:10:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GSodBuster@aol.com writes: The Genweb site has a list of those buried in the Alexander Family Cemetery and its location. _www.rootsweb.com/~vahanover/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~vahanover/) Scan down to you find Cemeteries of Hanover. Then look for the Alexander Family Cemetery. I'm pretty sure it is located in the Old Church Area. I'll try to check a map at work tomorrow and see if I can locate it. Pat

Suggest you Google "Hanover County VA cemeteries" or "Alexander Family Cemetery, Hanover, VA" and see what comes up! Also, there are books on cemeteries' locations and such - check the Library of VA catalog and order thru interlibrary loan if all else fails. << I am working on LIPSCOMB genealogy. Does anyone have information on children of WILLIAM RICHIE ALEXANDER and ANNA FLORENCE LIPSCOMB? Also LDS site shows that ANNA FLORENCE LIPSCOMB was buried in Alexander Family Cemetery in Hanover in 1955. Does anyone know where this cemetery is located? >>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Tyler Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1282 Message Board Post: I am looking for any information on this Tyler family. On the Hanover census 1850 they are listed as follows: Edmund Tyler age 39 M Elvin 38 F Shelton J. 14 M Sarah C. 13 F Mary J. 12 F Martin F. 11 M Allin D. 9 M Lucy P. 7 months Female I know they lived in the Studley area of Hanover in the 1800's. The Allin D. Tyler was my great great grandfather. I know that Allin D. had a son named Marion Tyler who married a Mary Brown. Marion and Mary had a son named John Tyler, Joseph Tyler and a daughter name Mary Ruth Tyler. Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1281 Message Board Post: I am working on LIPSCOMB genealogy. Does anyone have information on children of WILLIAM RICHIE ALEXANDER and ANNA FLORENCE LIPSCOMB? Also LDS site shows that ANNA FLORENCE LIPSCOMB was buried in Alexander Family Cemetery in Hanover in 1955. Does anyone know where this cemetery is located?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1276.2 Message Board Post: Hi, Linda. Re Webbs and St. Paul's Parish Hanover. Just now started using the Hanover message board and caught your message. I did find some St Paul's vestry records posted online on the GenWeb Hanover County VA webpage, as below, and on rechecking there are a number of Webbs mentioned. The site has no overall search engine, but just under the map there is a link called "Odds and Ends" and click on that and then I used the edit/find to search for surnames. Good luck, there seems to be quite a bit of search opportunties on that site. Aileen in WA http://www.rootsweb.com/~vahanove/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1280 Message Board Post: Would be interested in hearing from anyone researching this particular James Wade: Edward Bullock 1734, mentions JAMES WADE in land description at/near Hollowing Camp Creek, north fork.. [from: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/hanover/deeds/patentbk15.txt And from VA DOT Road Orders: JAMES WADE grantee 350 ac both sides Hollowing Camp Creek 24Mar1725 Hanover Co. [Hanover from New Kent 1720.] And Rich Bullock Jr grantee 400 ac next to JAMES WADE land, 1731 Hanover Co; And Edward Wade grantee 400ac next to JAMES WADE land, 1734 Hanover Co; Any information regarding him would be appreciated. As always, trying to determine the proper father of Pearce b 1720 and Jeremiah b. ca 1710 Wade, and am checking those who seem of the next oldest generation who lived in proximity to Goochland Co 1720-1750s. Thanks, Aileen in WA

A google.com search of *pettus family* will produce many links--some of which links should be ignored--such as family crest. By the way, I believe this name appears frequently in the records of early Louisa Co., VA, which was formed from Hanover Co. and then, Albemarle Co. and lots of other counties, it seems, were formed in that general area. Search them all!!! Familes, at least in England, do not have Crests. Only individuals, as specified by the College of Arms, are entitled to crests, generally based on positions of honor. For example, a few years back, the Mayor of the City of London [*the City*] was a commoner, who then became entitled to a crest. One was designed by the College of Arms specifically for him. (Some mayors in England are or have been women.) This is from the College of Arms website - under FAQ Q. Do coats of arms belong to surnames? A. No. There is no such thing as a 'coat of arms for a surname'. Many people of the same surname will often be entitled to completely different coats of arms, and many of that surname will be entitled to no coat of arms. Coats of arms belong to individuals. For any person to have a right to a coat of arms they must either have had it granted to them or be descended in the legitimate male line from a person to whom arms were granted or confirmed in the past. E.W.Wallace who regrets terribly the loss of records of Hanover Co., causing many flaws in genealogies

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1279.2 Message Board Post: I am very interested in the file as well.....I am from the line of Pettus and Elizabeth Ragland.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1279.1 Message Board Post: I would be very interested in comparing information. I am a descendant of Evan and Susannah (Pettus). I have just started and have several missing lines . Any help would be appreciated. I do have the line going back to the 1200's also. Thank you!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/168.221.277.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi- Miller is my married name, but I would love to talk to you about the Raglands and any Miller's. And the will! You can email me at FLMillerCA@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/VBC.2ACI/168.221.277.2 Message Board Post: Hi -- I am a relation of Evan and Pettus Ragland also. I even have a copy of a will. One interesting thing is you also have my mom's maiden name, so maybe we are related more closely that we know. I'd like to figure out how we are connected.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1185.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: I don't have a Richard Timberlake. What timeframe do you have for these people? If we are talking about the mid 1700s, you might want to look at King William and Middlesex Counties for records.

Hanover Heritage Day will be held on Saturday, May 20th at Hanover Courthouse. http://www.co.hanover.va.us/pio/heritage/heritage.htm A list of vendors is here: http://www.co.hanover.va.us/pio/heritage/2006/HeritageDay_Exhibits.pdf If you are in Virginia, and not too far away, it will be a good event to attend. Pat Baber -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/06

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/1279 Message Board Post: I am a descendant also of Evan Ragland (my ggggrandmother was Susan Davis Ragland). I have a whole gedcom file on the Raglands, which has been documented and goes back several hundred years to Wales. Are you interested?

Some person on this list recently was searching for a family in Washington Co., VA. Washington Co., according to the Family History Library Catalog (PLACE search) Formed in 1776 from Fincastle County. Part of Montgomery County was added later About Fincastle Co., this info: Formed in 1772 from Botetourt County. It became extinct in 1776 when it was divided to form Montgomery, Washington, and Kentucky counties. Some records are kept by Montgomery County. It looks to me this person is going to have to research a LOT of counties. As a subscriber on another rootsweb constantly reminds us, PLACE is most important in finding your ancestors. I would add DATE also. Too frequently, we as genealogists want to get back to the immigrant ancestor, when we don't know anything about our great-grandparents [who, surprisingly, may have been cousins, as I discovered with my own paternal grandparents!!!] Some advice I got long ago from a topnotch genealogist headquartered in Salt Lake City: If you are researching in Virginia, search ALL the counties. At first, I thought, there is no time in the world to search all the counties. I have since found that if I don't keep an open mind, I may quite overlook my common-named ancestors [many of them] in LOTS of Virginia counties. Not only did the county boundaries change, as indicated above, but as the families wore out the land, they say, with planting tobacco, they moved on--some of them to North Carolina in pre-Revolutionary days, and to Kentucky after the Revolution. And lots of people moved around as the Redcoats came into their neighborhoods--at least, tradition says!! E.W.Wallace

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ragland or Raglan Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/168.221.276.280.284.286 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on the Pettus Plantation and any information on Evan Ragland, my gggggggg grandfather. Thank You!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/168.221.277.1 Message Board Post: I am also a descendant of Evan Ragland through Pettus Ragland>Wm Hardin Ragland to my great grandmother Effie Rida Ragland.I have traced my ancestry back to Reginald Herbert and Piers Fitz Herbert. I am hoping to visit the Ragaln Castle in Wales this summer.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/VBC.2ACI/168.221.277 Message Board Post: I am also a descendant of Evan Ragland through Pettus Ragland the First down through Wm Hardin Ragland with Effie Rilda Ragland being my great grand mother. I have traced my ancestry back to Reginald Herbert and Piers Fitz Herbert.