List Listed today on Ancestry.com is Hanover births-1853-1896 Since there has been so much activity on the list lately..maybe now is the time for someone more knowledgable that me to give all of us (new and old) a timeline for Hanover..ie How Hanover evolved with dates Time frame for the 3 parishes..St Peters,St Pauls and St Martins When the records burned and what's left Information about the Hanover Historical Society I have been priveleged to help in my small way recently but i have also gained so much knowlege about the history of my county in the process.BOY.these families were really intertwined(BIG GRIN) Most of my family are not native Hanover folks but it has still been fun. Carol in Hanover

Sorry Shirley, I do not have the same family. Thanks for the reply Dave Goodman Baltimore PC Users Group http://www.baltimorepcug.org The GOODMAN Family http://www.bcpl.net/~dmg Baltimore County Genealogical Society http://www.serve.com/bcgs/bcgs.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Shirley Wagstaff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: RE: [VAHANOVE] Re: Unidentified subject! > > Dear David, > > Apologies for waiting so long to be in touch and take you up on your > kind offer. > > I should have been far more specific with the Turners I put > online....but being a novice at this .....it flew away before I got the > dates inserted. > > I am seeking information in regard to James Turner, SR born 5 march 1753 > thought to be in or around Culpepper, VA. He was married to Margaret > Headen/Heyden/Haydon (other varients). It is said they were married in > upstate SC since she supposedly was born and reared in what is now > Spartanburg County, SC about 1770. James Turner, SR was in SC in his > early youth with his father. > > It is said that this particular George Turner (father of above James, > SR) was born 1738 in Culpepper County, VA area, died 16 March 1804 in > Spartanburg County, SC. According to a family bible which I have not > seen nor seen copy from says that this George Turner was married to > Hannah Middleton who was born about the same time as George Turner. They > had one child, this son named James. She disappears at this > juncture....death during childbirth, death from other cause, simply left > the man, divorce? (not in those days?). George then moves to SC with his > young son James where he later met and married again. > > I would like any confirmation to any of the above, would like to know > parents of George Turner, his siblings....and of course a real push is > on to locate place of burial for Hannah Middleton, her parent and > siblings. I have searched for Hannah for some 30 years to no avail. I > did the SC Middleton family ...lots of Hannah's but none that match up > with a marriage with George, also the Maryland Middletons with same > success (or lack), have done research in what is now West Virginia and a > good deal of research in Virginia. Family tradtion says her father was > one Thomas Middleton...about as common as the name Hannah! There was a > Jane Middleton with two minor children Lettice and Hannah.....but no > further records found for that group. > > Any leads would be appreciated, any data you can share would be > appreciated for any of the above! > > Thanks! > Shirley Wagstaff > Bandon, Oregon > (the land of heavenly things on the southern Oregon coast...remote as > all get out....and no library!) > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

A subscriber on the Hanover Co. VA list was interested in the Rodes family. My interest is that he was a son-in-law of Major Robert Harris of Louisa Co., VA (my ancestor). Here are some bits and pieces for those who may be interested: JOHN RODES. WIR2142. (Living in 1766 in Albemarle Co.) He reportedly was the husband of Mary, daughter of Robert Harris. Albemarle Co. DB 2-67 verifies that by 1758 John Rodes was married to a daughter of Robert Harris. Harris deeded slaves to John Rodes "me thereunto moving but more especially for the natural love and affection which I have and bear unto my son in Law John Rodes....give grant bargain sell unto the said John Rodes & his heirs the following Negroes [two slaves, who are named]. 26 Aug 1758 /s/ Robert Harris. Wits: Matthew Harris, David Lewis, Joel Terril, Andrew Wallace." (Adapted from Ruth and Sam Sparacio, DEED ABSTRACTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, DEED BOOK 2, 9 FEBRUARY 1758-12 MARCH 1761 [McLean, VA: Ruth & Sam Sparacio, 1988] p. 20) The will of his father-in-law Major Robert Harris names his son-in-law John Rodes as co- executor, along with another son-in-law, William Shelton. 18 June 1765. I August 1765. Son Christopher to have 40 acres of land in Albemarle County, known as "Bears Cornfield." After decease of wife, son William to have all land I now hold in Albemarle County. Sons, Robert, Tyre and William Harris to have slaves. Wife Mowrning (Mourning) to have use of all lands during her life. Son William [who was underage] to be under direction of son-in-law John Rodes. Exrs: sons-in-law John Rodes and William Shelton. Wit: Daniel Maupin, John Mullins, Jr, William Maupin and Connerly Mullins. At a vestry [of Fredericksville Parish] held at the Church below the Mountains September 25th 1765, "John Rodes is appointed a Vestryman in the Room of Robt. Harris dec'd." (Rosalie Edith Davis, FREDERICKSVILLE PARISH VESTRY BOOK, 1742-1787, Vol. I [Manchester, MO: privately printed, 1978], p. 82) A later entry at the vestry held 5th day of November 1766, John Rodes, Jr. acted with others at the vestry, having taken the oaths in court and now subscribed to be conformable to Doctrine of the Church of England.... (Ibid.) We can assume that John, Jr. is of legal age to act in this capacity. The following Louisa Co. deed indicate that in 1766 Rode's wife was named Mary and that they were of Albemarle Co. The deed also implies they had long been married--almost 40 years. Since Hanover Co. records for the period 1727 are no longer extant, we cannot determine whether the couple or the husband alone was the grantee. Louisa Co. DB D?-72-73 We John Rhodes and Mary his wife of St. Anns Par., Albemarle for Natural Love and Effection to our well Beloved Son Clifton Rhodes now of Louisa Co. one tract of 414 a; land granted to us, John Rhodes & Mary his wife, by James Nuckolds of Hanover Co., as pr. deed 1 Oct 1727...George Barkleys line...Matthew Andeson's line...corner on David Anderson. 4 Oct 1766. /s/ John (R) Rodes, Mary (+) Rodes. Wit: James Overton, James McGhehee, William Smith, David Martin, Geo. Lumsdon ... day of Oct 1766 proved by three witnesses. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOK C, C 1/2, D & D 1/2 [Manchester, MO, 1977], p. 63) At another Fredericksville Parish vestry ca. 1767, "Order'd that James Wherry and John Rodes do procession all the lands between Mechams & Moremans River up to Maupines Mashing House path." (p. 61 of Vestry Book) Malcolm Hart Harris in his history of Louisa County, Virginia, mentions that Robert Harris, formerly of Louisa Co., where he was surveyor, later lived in Albemarle Co. but moved back to Louisa Co. The above deed to son-in-law John Rodes verifies that he was contemplating moving. Albemarle Co. DB ... p. 38, 11 Mar 1761, Jas Harris & wife Mary To Thos Grubbs, Moorman river, was witnessed by Jno. McCord as well as Jno. Rodes and Wm. Shelton, all associates or in-laws of the extended Robert and Christopher Harris families of Albemarle Co. p. 40, same date as above, indicates that Jno. McCord Sr and Jno. McCord Jr. was witnesses, as well as were Thos Grubbs and Wm. Shelton, of deed Richard Black, Cumberland Co., Province of Carolina, to Jno. Rodes for 35 pds., 200 A Moorman River, Hercules Pillar. Other Land? It is unknown whether the John Rodes who in Mar 1744/45 received two grants of land "in that part of Orange Co. designed to be called Augusta." Two tracts of land were "in the Fork of Shanadore." Refer to CAVALIERS & PIONEERS, V. V, pp. 80-81. Pat Bk 35-57: John Rodes, 79 acs. Albemarle Co. on both sides of moremans Riv. on the N side the Bucks elbow, adj. his own Lines & then his Line of another Survey. 25 Sep 1762., p. 57. 10 Shill. (C & P, V. 7, p. 5-6) John Rodes died before Oct 1775 in Albemarle Co.: Will written 12 Feb 1770; proved Oct 1775. Lends to Mary the whole estate, at her decease it is to be divided among five daughters and four sons. [Not named in abstract]. Exrs. Sons John and Charles Rodes. Wit: Francis Montgomery, William Maddox and John Wingfield. (J. Estelle Stewart King, ABSTRACTS OF WILLS, INVENTORIES, AND ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1748-1800 [Beverly Hills, CA: 1940], p. 22) It is probably John Rodes the son of John Rodes of Albemarle, deceased, who was granted land in Kentucky, as the date is 1784. He was granted 400 A in Lincoln Co. on Tate's Creek 9-20-1786 and another 20 A "Military & Lincoln," Tate's Creek, on the same date. As seen above, the father of John Rodes was deceased. (MASTER INDEX VIRGINIA SURVEYS AND GRANTS 1774-1791) Jno. Rodes was witness to another Albemarle Co. deed, cited below. James Harris, grantor, is believed to be the son-in-law to whom Major Robert Harris (qv) deeded property. Albemarle DB 2-38 indicates many Harris relatives witnessed the deed of a Harris family to another in-law (perhaps an in-law-to-be), Thomas Grubbs: 11 Mar 1761 Jas. Harris & wife Mary to Thos. Grubbs for 10 pds., no acres, Moorman river. Wit: Jno. Rodes, Wm. Shelton, Jno. McCord. On the same date, DB 2-40 and 2-41, is recorded a purchase of land by Jno. Rodes: DB 2-40, 11 Mar 1761, Rich. Blalock, Cumberland Co., Province of Carolina, to Jno. Rodes for 35 pds., 200 ac. Moorman River - Hercules Pillar. Wit: Jno. McCord, Sr., Jno. McCord, Jr., Thos. Grubbs, Wm. Shelton. (Note: Several, if not all, these witnesses were related to the Harris family of Hanover, Louisa, and Albemarle Cos.) DB 2-308, 13 May 1762, Jno. Rodes, Sr., Louisa, planter, to son David Rodes, for 5 sh. and love, 264 ac. N. fork Moorman and where David lives. Adj. grantor, mouth of Cabbin Creek branches. Wit: Clifton & Jno. Rodes, Wm. Wright, David Epperson, Thos. Grubbs. Although Rodes, Sr. is of Louisa Co. in 1762, one John Rodes, probably the elder, continued to purchase land in Albemarle Co.: DB 2-403 17 Jan 1764 Jno. Robinson, King and Queen Co., to Jno. Rodes, Louisa Co. for 107 pds., 10 sh., 900 acs. Meecham River. Part of pat. of Col. Jno. Chiswell and conveyed to Jr. Adj. David Glen, Benj. Dove, grantor. Wit: Thos. & Jas. Walker, Wm. Cabell, Jr., Jos. Cabell, Cornl. Thomas. In a lineage book, this information is given. (No documentation is given.) "Descendant of Robert Harris, as follows: 1. George H. Hunt (1829-1908) m. 1868 Inez Rodes (1842-1924) 2. Robert Rodes (1816-87) m. 1840 Sarah Elizabeth Carter (1823-88). 3. Tyree Rodes (d. 1827) m. 1811 Cynthia Holland (1789-1863). 4. John Rodes (1729-1810) m. 1756 Sarah Harris (1736-1803) 5. Robert Harris m. 1720 Mourning Glenn. (Comment: "Will of John Rodes [x], proved Oct 1775." From VIRGINIA WILL RECORDS "Notes from the Records of Alemarle County," p. 5. This would indicate the death date in the lineage for John Rodes is incorrect. Furthermore, the will [abstract] names Mary as wife, not Sarah. Perhaps Sarah was the first wife and Mary the second wife.) A John Rodes, Senr appears on the 1800 Albemarle Co. tax list, but he probably is a son of the deceased man. By 1800, there were a number of other Rodes males in Albemarle Co.: John Rodes, Jun., Capt. Matthew Rodes, Hezekiah Rodes, John Rodes, son of Epaphroditus, and Ephaphroditus himself. (John Frederick Dorman, "Albemarle County, Virginia 1800 Tax List THE VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST, V. 3, p. 71) E.W.Wallace

On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Carol wrote: > list > In looking for someone in my Rhodes(Rodes) line i came across this on the > Harris' and Overton's(Which is not my line).I can't vouch for it so check it > out if possible... but Hope it helps those who were looking for these folks > >From desendents of Tyree Rhodes Harris(1765-Albermarle > Co.Va......http://members.aol.com/CWMORETTi/family/page24.htm Comment: The URL cannot be found. Probaby one has to be a member of AOL and use their search engine. >: > His parents: > Capt Robert Harris(1740-ALb CO)mar to Lucretia Brown Comment: This marriage, Robert Harris [Jr.] to Lucretia Brown, can be deduced from Albemarle Co. Deed Bk 3, pages 174-175 (check this out, you Albemarle researchers.) > > Robert's parents: > Major Robert Harris(1673-Hanover Co.mar Mourning Glenn > > Major Robert's parents > William Harris(1652-Weyanoke,Va)mar Temperence Overton-1670-d/o William > Overton-s/o Col Robert Overton(b-1609-d-tower of London) and Anne Gardiner.) > and Mary Elizabeth Waters.Mary Elizabeth Waters was d/o Ann Waters.Col > Robert Overton was s/o John Overton-d-Easington,Yorkshire,England > > Children of William & Temperence: > Christopher>>Major Robert and Overton Harris(b-1675) My question: Do we have any proof that these are the sons of William Overton and his wife Temperance--such as a probate, deeds, anything other than published genealogies, many of which are erroneous? > > William Harris' parents > > Robert Harris(1625)-Henrico Co-d1701-New Kent Co-mar Mary > Claiborne-c1660-d/0 Sir William Claiborne and Elizabeth Butler Comment: A recent Claiborne genealogy (edited by John Frederick Dorman) states in a footnote that there is NO PROOF of a marriage of a Mary Claiborne to a Robert Harris. In fact, some other genealogists question the very existence of a Mary Claiborne, or, if there was such a person, she died prior to adulthood. > Robert Harris parents: > Thomas Harris(b-1586-England-d-1658- mar Adria Osborne > Thomas ' parents Comment: The latest edition of Adventurers of Purse and Person (First Families of Virginia) which was edited by John Frederick Dorman outlines the earlier descendants of Thomas Harris, and not included among the children is a Robert Harris. In fact, serious students of the Harris genealogy of the first Robert Harris define him as the immigrant ancestor. Comment: Therefore, the rest of this ancestor chart for William Harris and Robert Harris is highly questionable. > Sir William Harris _b-c-1562-Crixie,Essex,England-mar Alice Smythe > Sir Williams parents: > > Arthur Harris and Dorothy Waldengrave Comments and questions submitted by E.W.Wallace

[email protected] wrote: << Charles L. Rhodes, born about 1824 in Hanover Co., VA died of consumption 10.14.1859 in Hanover Co., VA. He married Elizabeth A. Baker, daughter of Samuel Baker and Amediah (Amy) Swift on 11.28.1844. >> This is all I could find on Charles L. Rhodes: WILLIAMS &C VS. RHODES, 1867 BAKER, Samuel, deceased, of Hanover County. Suit concerns a tract of land consisting of 50 acres adjoining property of Lucy T. Bowles, James P. Woodson, and others. His heirs were the following children: 1. Elizabeth, wife of Charles L. Rhodes, dec'd 2. Claratina, wife of Major J. H. Baughan 3. E. Jane, wife of John L. Williams

Carol, Here's the rest of what I have...at least most of it. John Rodes, b. 1562, was the s/o Francis & Elizabeth (Sandford) Rodes Francis, Baronet of Barlborough Hall, b. 1530, was the s/o John & Attelina (Hewlet) Rodes. He m. 2nd Mary Charlton John, d. abt 1591, was the s/o Robert & Elizabeth (Wasse) Rodes Elizabeth Lascelles was the d/o Sir George & Elinor (Wandesford) Lascelles Elinor was the d/o Christopher & Ann (Thwaites) Sir George was the d/o Sir Bryan & Isabel (Montagu)

The Register of St. Peter's Parish is on line at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/ Scroll down to the New Kent County link. So far as I know the Vestry Book is still only available in book form. I've had mine several years but it is still a very popular book. I imagine somebody is still selling it. Mickey Fournier PO Box 1967, Lake City, FL 32056

Pat Perkinson, a friend of mine from Middlesex County, has asked that I respond to your queries regarding the BLAKEY family. Pat's response: "Would you kindly write her (Sue) and give her my e-mail address. I have A Blakey Book by B.B. Blakey that has info of the George line. " Pat's e-mail address is: [email protected] Beth in Newport News

It should be noted that the connection between Thomas Harris of Virginia and Sir William Harris of Essex has been disproven. Sir William's son Thomas died testate and unmarried in England. The relevant citations can be found in the archives of the "Harris Hunters" Rootsweb list, possibly in the archives of this list as well. Best wishes, Scott Swanson Department of History Butler University 4600 Sunset Avenue Indianapolis, Indiana 46208-3485 [email protected] On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Carol wrote: > list > In looking for someone in my Rhodes(Rodes) line i came across this on the > Harris' and Overton's(Which is not my line).I can't vouch for it so check it > out if possible... but Hope it helps those who were looking for these folks > >From desendents of Tyree Rhodes Harris(1765-Albermarle > Co.Va......http://members.aol.com/CWMORETTi/family/page24.htm > > His parents: > Capt Robert Harris(1740-ALb CO)mar to Lucretia Brown > > Robert's parents: > Major Robert Harris(1673-Hanover Co.mar Mourning Glenn > > Major Robert's parents > William Harris(1652-Weyanoke,Va)mar Temperence Overton-1670-d/o William > Overton-s/o Col Robert Overton(b-1609-d-tower of London) and Anne Gardiner.) > and Mary Elizabeth Waters.Mary Elizabeth Waters was d/o Ann Waters.Col > Robert Overton was s/o John Overton-d-Easington,Yorkshire,England > > Children of William & Temperence: > Christopher>>Major Robert and Overton Harris(b-1675) > > William Harris' parents > > Robert Harris(1625)-Henrico Co-d1701-New Kent Co-mar Mary > Claiborne-c1660-d/0 Sir William Claiborne and Elizabeth Butler > Robert Harris parents: > > Thomas Harris(b-1586-England-d-1658- mar Adria Osborne > Thomas ' parents : > > Sir William Harris _b-c-1562-Crixie,Essex,England-mar Alice Smythe > Sir Williams parents: > > Arthur Harris and Dorothy Waldengrave > > Carol in Hanover > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

<< My line goes John Rodes of WV to John Charles Rodes (wife Nancy Baber)of WV and Albermarle Co.Va>>David(wife Mary Yancey) of Nelson Co.Va>>Charles Rodes of Nelson Co.Va(wife Amy Duke)>>John Rodes(wife Mary Crawford)>>Charles Rodes of New Kent and England (wife Frances??) carol >> Carol, We're descended from Gerard de Rodes, but I haven't gotten that far with the Rodes line. I got caught up with the Constable line...whew! Family History: Lineages of Hereditary Society Members, 1600s-1900s Pedigrees of Charlemagne's descendants, Vol. III, Chapter LXVII Rodes, Thomson, Garrett, Douglas, Shackelford..., Page 241 John Rodes was the s/o immigrant, Charles Rodes, b. 1661, Nottingham, & Frances (?) (Charles also had a brother, Francis, who went to Maryland.) Charles Rodes was the s/o John Rodes, b. 1614, Sturton, Nottingham, & Elizabeth Jason John Rodes was the s/o Francis Rodes, Baronet, b. 1588, & Elizabeth Lascells Francis Rodes, Baronet, was the s/o John Rodes, knt. & Frances Constable Frances Constable, b. 1563, was the d/o Marmaduke Constable, b. 1536 & Catherine Holme Marmaduke Constable was the s/o Marmaduke Constable, b. 1509, & Elizabeth Stokes Marmaduke Constable was the s/o William Constable, knt., b. abt. 1444, & Joan Fulthorpe William Constable was the s/o Robert Constable, b. 1418, & Agnes Wentworth Agnes Wentworth, b. abt 1397, was the d/o Roger Wentworth & Margaret/Margery Despenser, Baroness le Despenser Margaret/Margery Despenser, d.1478, was the d/o Philip 2nd Lord le Despenser & Elizabeth de Tibetot Elizabeth de Tibetot, b. 1371, was the d/o Robert Lord de Tibetot & Margaret Deincourt *Margaret Deincourt, b. 2 Apr. 1380, was the d/o William Deincourt & Milicent la Zouche Milicent la Zouche, d. 22 June 1379, was the d/o Sir William Lord la Zouche & Maude Lovel Sir William Lord la Zouche was the s/o Eudo la Zouche & Milicent de Cantilupe /Cantelou Milicent de Cantilupe, b. abt 1253, was the d/o William Baron de Cantelou & Eve de Braose Eve de Braose was the d/o William V. de Braose (14th Lord of Abergavenny) & Eve Marshall. Eve Marshall was the d/o Sir William Marshall, 3rd Earl of Pembroke, b. 1146, d. 14 May 1219, & Isabel de Clare Isabel de Clare, d. 1220, was the d/o Richard "Strongbow" FitzGilbert Clare, b. abt 1125, & Eve MacMurrough. *There a debate on this line on the GED-MED mailing list. Sorry about the Rodes, however. ~Virginia

I understand what you mean about the errors. I use it as reference material the same as with any published genealogy book. I have yet to see one yet that was error free...lol Judith -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 6:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Overton, Harris, Swift, Baker, Rhodes Families of Hanover Co [email protected] wrote: << "The Baker Family of England and of Central Virginia - Their Many Related Families and Kin" by William Thomson Baker. >> I have this book, too, and it contains many errors. However, if anyone is interested in buying it, please contact me privately for the mailing address. (The cost is nominal.) ~Virginia [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

© C. G. Chamberlayne, ed., The Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish, Hanover County, Virginia, 1706-1786 (Richmond: Virginia State Library and Archives 1989) P. 108 - 110 (97 & 98) At a Vestry held Lower Church 12th June 1724. Capt. William Harris, present. "The precincts order'd for Telling Tobacco plants….. p. 98 ye 8th The Lower Precinct in ye Forks to be between the new found river & the north river, to ye Extent of the County upwards, between them rivers, and that Mr. Thos. Harris and Mr. Robt. Thomson be the Tellers of it." P. 264 (205) "The lands of Jas. Overton, Jno. Glenn, Thos. Harris for Sam'l Overtons Orphans, Henry Mills, Jos. Peors, Matthw Tyler, Col. Duke, Sam'l Sparks, Rob't Thompson and Geo. Cox being one Precinct, whereof Jas. Overton & Jno. Glenn, were Overseers who made this return, the within Order execut'd in presence of Thos. Harris, Sam'l Sparks, Geo. Cox, Henry Mills, Robt. Thompson and Marston Duke, Matthew Tyler having no lands adjacent, Dan. Abney hath land within these precincts but lives out of the County and did not appear. Jas. Overton and Jno. Glenn."

The following from the Overton book: "George Poindexter II was born in 1651/52 in Jersey, England. He was vestryman and church warden of St. Peter's Parish, New Kent co., VA, 1704-05-06. He died 3.12.1716 (St. Peter's Parish records). Several contemporary researchers say his wife's name was unknown, although PDA records designate mary (perhaps Overton?) as wife of George II, rather than of George III." An entry for George Poindexter III, says: "His wife's name has been widely recorded as "Mary(perhaps verton?)" [Landers] but no source has been found in Poindexter or Overton records. She died in 1733 (St. Peter's Parish records)." Judith -----Original Message----- From: David Fryxell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [VAHANOVE] Overton, Harris, Swift, Baker, Rhodes Families of Hanover Co Does your Overton book have anything on a Mary Overton (ca1668-1733)who supposedly married George Poindexter? Wondering if that marriage is correct, who her parents were and how she fits into the Virginia Overtons. Thanks! David -----Original Message----- From: Judith McGowan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAHANOVE] Overton, Harris, Swift, Baker, Rhodes Families of Hanover Co I have copies of "The Overtons: 700 Years by Nan Overton West as well as "The Baker Family of England and of Central Virginia - Their Many Related Families and Kin" by William Thomson Baker. For anyone who doesn't have access to these books and needs lookups, I am more than happy to oblige. Judith Mcgowan http://www.southernroots.com Researching: Baker, Claiborne, Clifford, Cluverius, Cosby, Crafton, Duke, Gardiner, Garland, Hansford, Harris, Hodgkin, Jeffries, Lygon, Osborne, Overton, Page, Percy, Rhodes, Seymour, Swift, Sydney, Touchet, Waters, Wingfield and related families in central and eastern shore Virginia. ______________________________ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

[email protected] wrote: << "The Baker Family of England and of Central Virginia - Their Many Related Families and Kin" by William Thomson Baker. >> I have this book, too, and it contains many errors. However, if anyone is interested in buying it, please contact me privately for the mailing address. (The cost is nominal.) ~Virginia [email protected]

Does your Overton book have anything on a Mary Overton (ca1668-1733)who supposedly married George Poindexter? Wondering if that marriage is correct, who her parents were and how she fits into the Virginia Overtons. Thanks! David -----Original Message----- From: Judith McGowan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAHANOVE] Overton, Harris, Swift, Baker, Rhodes Families of Hanover Co I have copies of "The Overtons: 700 Years by Nan Overton West as well as "The Baker Family of England and of Central Virginia - Their Many Related Families and Kin" by William Thomson Baker. For anyone who doesn't have access to these books and needs lookups, I am more than happy to oblige. Judith Mcgowan http://www.southernroots.com Researching: Baker, Claiborne, Clifford, Cluverius, Cosby, Crafton, Duke, Gardiner, Garland, Hansford, Harris, Hodgkin, Jeffries, Lygon, Osborne, Overton, Page, Percy, Rhodes, Seymour, Swift, Sydney, Touchet, Waters, Wingfield and related families in central and eastern shore Virginia. ______________________________

I bought mine from Willow BEnd Books in Westminster, MD, 410-876-6104 -- $20. -----Original Message----- From: Norma N. Diggs [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Re: Family names being researched from Hanover Co,VA Regarding the St. Peter's Vestry Book, are there copies available for purchase. I am especially interested in any Anthony's, Dege's, Diggs, or Degges who may be in the book. Norma Diggs ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fryxell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 2:54 PM Subject: RE: [VAHANOVE] Re: Family names being researched from Hanover Co,VA > The St. Peter's Vestry Book has a Richard Perce, deceased 27 February > 1687/88, if that helps. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 7:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [VAHANOVE] Re: Family names being researched from Hanover Co,VA > > > I'm researching WILKES/WILKS & PIERCE from the late 1600's. If anyone has > any information to share, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks - Melinda > > ______________________________ > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________

Dear David, Apologies for waiting so long to be in touch and take you up on your kind offer. I should have been far more specific with the Turners I put online....but being a novice at this .....it flew away before I got the dates inserted. I am seeking information in regard to James Turner, SR born 5 march 1753 thought to be in or around Culpepper, VA. He was married to Margaret Headen/Heyden/Haydon (other varients). It is said they were married in upstate SC since she supposedly was born and reared in what is now Spartanburg County, SC about 1770. James Turner, SR was in SC in his early youth with his father. It is said that this particular George Turner (father of above James, SR) was born 1738 in Culpepper County, VA area, died 16 March 1804 in Spartanburg County, SC. According to a family bible which I have not seen nor seen copy from says that this George Turner was married to Hannah Middleton who was born about the same time as George Turner. They had one child, this son named James. She disappears at this juncture....death during childbirth, death from other cause, simply left the man, divorce? (not in those days?). George then moves to SC with his young son James where he later met and married again. I would like any confirmation to any of the above, would like to know parents of George Turner, his siblings....and of course a real push is on to locate place of burial for Hannah Middleton, her parent and siblings. I have searched for Hannah for some 30 years to no avail. I did the SC Middleton family ...lots of Hannah's but none that match up with a marriage with George, also the Maryland Middletons with same success (or lack), have done research in what is now West Virginia and a good deal of research in Virginia. Family tradtion says her father was one Thomas Middleton...about as common as the name Hannah! There was a Jane Middleton with two minor children Lettice and Hannah.....but no further records found for that group. Any leads would be appreciated, any data you can share would be appreciated for any of the above! Thanks! Shirley Wagstaff Bandon, Oregon (the land of heavenly things on the southern Oregon coast...remote as all get out....and no library!)

My Rhodes brick wall in Hanover is as follows: Charles L. Rhodes, born about 1824 in Hanover Co., VA died of consumption 10.14.1859 in Hanover Co., VA. He married Elizabeth A. Baker, daughter of Samuel Baker and Amediah (Amy) Swift on 11.28.1844. He had the following children: Mary D., born about 1845 Henry Clay, born about 1847 William Curtis, born 5.18.1849 Emma W., born 7.4.1853 His family appears on the 1850, 1860, and 1870 census as follows: 1850 VA Census, Hanover, pg, 378, Western District, line 26: Chas. L. 26 Farmer Eliza 27 Mary D. 5 Henry Clay 3 Wm. Curtis 1 1860 VA Census, Henover pg, 485; Personal estate valued $9,000: Eliza 37 Mary 15 Henry C. 13 William C. 11 Emma W. 7 1870 VA Census, Henrico, pg 336: Eliza 48 Keeping house Henry C. 23 Laborer William 21 Laborer Emma 16 At home Other mentions of him are as follows: >From Hanover County Chancery Wills and Notes, P. 10, compiled by WilliamRonald Cocke, III: Williams & C. VS Rhodes, 1867: Baker, Samuel, deceased, of Hanover County. Suit concerns a tract ofland consisting of 50 acres adjoining property of Lucy T. Bowles, James P. Woodson, and others. His heirs were the following children: Elizabeth, wife of Charles L. Rhodes, Dec'd., Claratina, wife of Major J.H. Baughan, E. Jane wife of John L. Williams. Richmond, VA City Directories, 1889-90: Elizabeth A. Rhodes, widow of Charles L., living at 12 E. Broad St. I have as yet to determine Charles' parentage. Does he or this line look familiar to anyone? Thanks for your help in advance.... Judith McGowan http://www.southernroots.com Researching: Baker, Claiborne, Clifford, Cluverius, Cosby, Crafton, Duke, Gardiner, Garland, Hansford, Harris, Hodgkin, Jeffries, Lygon, Osborne, Overton, Page, Percy, Rhodes, Seymour, Swift, Sydney, Waters, Wingfield and related families in central and eastern shore Virginia.

Sheri, I'm sure we have a connection somewhere.....Caroline & Hanover are to close for your Carneals & Timberlakes not to be kin to mine! None of the names match, but we know where to find each other when more possibilities turn up. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Sheri T. Millikin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Timberlake of Hanover >Bruce, > For Russell Carneal, I have his parents as Casewell Carneal and Emma ? >I also have a brother listed for him as being Emmett Carneal who married >Clara Browning on Feb 5, 1920. Emmett is buried at Enon Methodist Church in >Hanover. > > Here are the descendants of Russell Carneal > > 1 Russell Carneal 1874 - 1935 b: January 02, 1874 in Caroline Co, VA d: >December 25, 1935 >.. +Serena Brannan 1883 - 1952 b: December 05, 1883 in Hanover Co, VA d: >September 19, 1952 >.. 2 Adell Carneal 1903 - 1984 b: October 04, 1903 d: December 08, 1984 >...... +William S. Woody 1897 - 1985 b: May 26, 1897 d: August 26, 1985 >.. 2 [1] Sydney L. Carneal 1907 - 1979 b: June 22, 1907 d: September 07, >1979 >...... +Mabel Talley 1911 - 1946 b: November 08, 1911 d: September 11, 1946 >.. *2nd Wife of [1] Sydney L. Carneal: >...... +Marion LeMay 1907 - 1988 b: November 18, 1907 d: January 06, 1988 >.. 2 Katherine Carneal 1914 - 1977 b: September 22, 1914 d: May 19, 1977 >...... +Percy Dertrick Tyler 1913 - 1996 b: September 05, 1913 d: October >05, 1996 > > I don't have much more on the Timberlake family other than what I sent. >Do any of those names look familiar? I'd love to find a connection &/or get >any other info. >Thanks! >Sheri >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bruce Haynes" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:12 PM >Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Timberlake of Hanover > > >> Sheri, >> >> I've got Timberlake kin in Caroline & Fredericksburg, e.g., John S.G., >Sara >> Jane Francis. Also, I believe the Russell Carneal in your data is the son >of >> Robt. Lee Carneal. Any connections? >> >> Bruce >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sheri T. Millikin <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:34 PM >> Subject: [VAHANOVE] Timberlake of Hanover >> >> >> >I'm looking for info/connections to this TIMBERLAKE family of Hanover. >> >I have additional descendant information...this is 5 generations only. >> >Sheri >> > >> >Descendants of Henry Timberlake >> > >> > 1 Henry Timberlake >> >.. +Ann Austin >> >.. 2 Chapman Timberlake >> >...... +Letitia Browning >> >...... 3 Henry T. Timberlake 1811 - b: 1811 >> >........... +Mary E. Tyler 1819 - b: 1819 >> >...... 3 Mary Ann Elizabeth Timberlake 1816 - 1889 b: 1816 d: August >04, >> >1889 >> >........... +John Pettus Tyler 1815 - 1878 b: 1815 d: September 28, 1878 >> >........... 4 Commorah Catherine Tyler 1853 - 1920 b: April 03, 1853 d: >> >May 12, 1920 >> >............... +Charles Cary Tyler 1852 - 1913 b: September 29, 1852 in >> >Hanover, VA d: February 22, 1913 in Hanover, VA >> >............... 5 Winston Tyler >> >.................... +Ellen Southard >> >............... 5 Lula Tyler 1877 - 1879 b: 1877 d: July 15, 1879 >> >............... 5 Edward Lee Tyler 1874 - b: December 24, 1874 >> >............... 5 [1] Virginia Estelle Tyler 1884 - b: June 15, 1884 >> >.................... +Adolpheus L. Priddy >> >............... *2nd Husband of [1] Virginia Estelle Tyler: >> >.................... +Cary Timberlake >> >............... 5 Mary Frances Tyler 1886 - 1957 b: August 15, 1886 d: >> >March 19, 1957 >> >.................... +John Wesley Smith 1871 - 1969 b: August 07, 1871 >d: >> >October 05, 1969 >> >............... 5 Linwood Moates Tyler 1889 - 1962 b: August 27, 1889 >d: >> >July 05, 1962 >> >.................... +Mary Elizabeth Perrin - 1967 d: March 1967 >> >............... 5 Lena Belle Tyler 1892 - b: 1892 >> >.................... +Andrew Hunter Traylor, Sr. >> >............... 5 Aubrey Gilman Tyler 1894 - 1981 b: May 24, 1894 in >> >Hanover, VA d: January 24, 1981 in Williamsburg,VA >> >.................... +Alma May Atkins 1900 - 1988 b: February 17, 1900 >in >> >Hanover, VA d: July 30, 1988 in Hanover, VA >> >............... 5 Mary Elizabeth Tyler >> >........... 4 Henry Chapman Tyler >> >........... 4 Mary Letelia Tyler 1846 - 1904 b: March 20, 1846 d: >> >September 13, 1904 >> >............... +William Warner Brannan 1848 - 1927 b: February 04, 1848 >> d: >> >March 03, 1927 >> >............... 5 Sarah E. Brannan >> >.................... +John L. Smithers 1871 - b: 1871 >> >............... 5 Nannie Belle Brannan 1875 - 1936 b: April 28, 1875 d: >> >August 23, 1936 >> >.................... +Thomas Henry Talley 1873 - 1953 b: November 26, >1873 >> >d: January 23, 1953 >> >............... 5 Rosa Lee Brannan 1878 - 1904 b: May 18, 1878 d: >> November >> >12, 1904 >> >.................... +Emmett Carneal >> >............... 5 Serena Brannan 1883 - 1952 b: December 05, 1883 in >> >Hanover Co, VA d: September 19, 1952 >> >.................... +Russell Carneal 1874 - 1935 b: January 02, 1874 in >> >Caroline Co, VA d: December 25, 1935 >> >............... 5 Cora F. Brannan 1885 - b: December 15, 1885 >> >.................... +Austin Timberlake >> >............... 5 George William Brannan >> >.................... +Ida Belle Timberlake 1874 - b: December 24, 1874 >> >............... 5 Thomas Leonard Brannan 1881 - 1915 b: October 20, >1881 >> >d: September 09, 1915 >> >.................... +[3] Rosa Ballard 1884 - 1948 b: April 04, 1884 d: >> >August 28, 1948 >> >........... 4 Fannie Tyler >> >............... +Junious Timberlake >> >........... 4 Emuella Tyler 1848 - b: 1848 >> >............... +William Larken Kirby 1841 - b: September 12, 1841 >> >............... 5 Frances Elizabeth Kirby 1872 - 1957 b: 1872 d: March >> 03, >> >1957 >> >.................... +Gilbert W. Tucker >> >............... 5 Christianna Dollie Kirby 1875 - 1959 b: 1875 d: May >26, >> >1959 >> >.................... +Mercer Johnson Bowles 1874 - 1957 b: 1874 in >Louisa, >> >VA d: August 02, 1957 >> >............... 5 Mary Etta Susan Kirby 1888 - 1945 b: 1888 d: 1945 >> >.................... +James Calvin Talley 1880 - 1936 b: 1880 d: 1936 >> >............... 5 Maria Kirby 1886 - 1957 b: May 23, 1886 d: February >13, >> >1957 >> >.................... +George Burrell Smith 1882 - 1931 b: May 24, 1882 >d: >> >July 06, 1931 >> >............... 5 Robert Pierson Kirby 1873 - 1945 b: September 11, >1873 >> >d: December 24, 1945 in Studley, Hanover Co, VA >> >.................... +Lucy Catherine Talley 1879 - 1947 b: April 25, >1879 >> >d: December 05, 1947 in Studley, Hanover Co, VA >> >............... 5 William Henry Kirby 1877 - 1944 b: February 26, 1877 >d: >> >November 21, 1944 >> >.................... +Kate Catherine Talley 1883 - 1949 b: October 09, >> 1883 >> >d: May 29, 1949 >> >............... 5 [2] Tazewell Kirby 1884 - 1966 b: March 15, 1884 d: >> >November 08, 1966 >> >.................... +Minnie Ellen Brannan >> >............... *2nd Wife of [2] Tazewell Kirby: >> >.................... +Lula Dora Tate 1880 - b: October 29, 1880 d: in >died >> >in early 20's from consumption >> >........... 4 William Arthur Tyler >> >............... +Maggie Harlow >> >............... 5 Elsie Tyler >> >.................... +Lemuel Enroughty >> >............... 5 Walter Tyler >> >.................... +Dorothy Soloman >> >............... 5 Arthur Tyler >> >............... 5 Margaret Tyler >> >.................... +? Wright >> >............... 5 Louise Tyler >> >.................... +Maury Lofftin >> >........... 4 Sarah Francis Tyler >> >........... 4 Susannah Tyler 1839 - 1911 b: 1839 d: March 08, 1911 >> >............... +Richard E. Southward >> >............... 5 Mary Willis Southward >> >.................... +C.C. Harris >> >............... 5 Annie Elizabeth Southward 1864 - 1936 b: December 09, >> >1864 d: August 03, 1936 >> >.................... +James Andrew Hott 1855 - 1932 b: October 11, 1855 >d: >> >September 28, 1932 >> >............... 5 Emma Southward >> >.................... +Andrew Jackson Browning >> >............... 5 Lula Gray Southward >> >.................... +Balford Kelley >> >............... 5 Ida Belle Southward >> >.................... +William Jenkins >> >............... 5 John Southward >> >.................... +Sallie Snead >> >............... 5 William Thomas Southward 1872 - 1937 b: November 18, >> >1872 d: June 05, 1937 >> >.................... +Sarah Elizabeth Talley 1876 - 1936 b: October 06, >> 187 >> >6 d: June 10, 1936 >> >............... 5 Joseph Atwell Southward - 1961 d: April 27, 1961 >> >.................... +Rosa Jones - 1973 d: December 12, 1973 in >> >Confederate Home for Ladies, Richmond, VA >> >............... 5 Alice Virginia Southward >> >.................... +James V. Perrin >> >........... 4 [4] Rueben Austin Tyler 1843 - 1888 b: 1843 d: November >04, >> >1888 >> >............... +Margaret Jane Thomas >> >............... 5 Lydia Tyler >> >.................... +Dean McGreigor >> >............... 5 Fannie Tyler >> >.................... +? Oakley >> >............... 5 Nora Tyler >> >.................... +? Oakley >> >............... 5 John Austin Tyler 1871 - 1948 b: January 20, 1871 d: >> >June 17, 1948 >> >.................... +Minnie Dean Tate 1877 - 1957 b: February 04, 1877 >d: >> >December 28, 1957 >> >............... 5 Chapman Tyler >> >.................... +[3] Rosa Ballard 1884 - 1948 b: April 04, 1884 d: >> >August 28, 1948 >> >............... 5 Pettus H. Tyler 1874 - b: July 01, 1874 >> >.................... +? >> >............... 5 Leonard Hopkins Tyler 1872 - 1943 b: September 13, >1872 >> >d: October 24, 1943 >> >.................... +Sallie Ann Tucker 1879 - 1945 b: September 30, >1879 >> >d: April 30, 1945 >> >............... 5 Eddie Rosser Tyler >> >.................... +LouAnna Lee Jones 1882 - 1920 b: August 22, 1882 >d: >> >October 10, 1920 >> >............... 5 [5] William Newton Tyler 1882 - 1931 b: December 06, >> >1882 d: June 16, 1931 >> >.................... +[6] Mary Catherine Hott 1887 - 1944 b: December >07, >> >1887 d: June 19, 1944 >> >............... 5 Wesley Tyler 1866 - b: 1866 >> >............... 5 Elizabeth Tyler 1869 - b: 1869 >> >........... *2nd Wife of [4] Rueben Austin Tyler: >> >............... +Christiana Kirby 1860 - 1929 b: July 20, 1860 d: >October >> >11, 1929 >> >............... 5 Mary Newel Tyler 1887 - 1971 b: June 25, 1887 d: >> >February 09, 1971 >> >.................... +William Meredith Perrin 1884 - 1960 b: June 07, >1884 >> >d: July 23, 1960 >> >............... 5 [5] William Newton Tyler 1882 - 1931 b: December 06, >> >1882 d: June 16, 1931 >> >.................... +[6] Mary Catherine Hott 1887 - 1944 b: December >07, >> >1887 d: June 19, 1944 >> >........... 4 Nancy B. Tyler 1854 - b: May 16, 1854 >> >............... +John B. Snead >> >............... 5 Willie Snead >> >............... 5 Clara Snead >> >.................... +Herman Wade >> >............... 5 Lena Snead >> >.................... +? Rogers >> >............... 5 Nellie Snead >> >...... 3 Chapman Timberlake, Jr 1843 - b: 1843 >> >...... 3 John Timberlake >> >...... 3 Nancy Timberlake >> >...... 3 Polly Chapman Timberlake >> >...... 3 Benjamin F. Timberlake >> >...... 3 Elizabeth Timberlake >> >........... +James N. Whitlock >> >...... 3 Benjamin Arthur Timberlake >> >.. 2 Mary Timberlake >> >.. 2 Sophia Timberlake >> >.. 2 Henry Austin Timberlake >> >.. 2 Benjamin Arthur Timberlake >> >.. 2 Rueben Timberlake >> > >> > >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Virginia My line goes John Rodes of WV to John Charles Rodes (wife Nancy Baber)of WV and Albermarle Co.Va>>David(wife Mary Yancey) of Nelson Co.Va>>Charles Rodes of Nelson Co.Va(wife Amy Duke)>>John Rodes(wife Mary Crawford)>>Charles Rodes of New Kent and England (wife Frances??) carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Harris-Overton lines ><< In looking for someone in my Rhodes(Rodes) line >> > >Carol, > >Which Rodes line are you searching? > >~Virginia > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >