--part1_18a.422b99d.29b0fc7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << ----- Original Message ----- To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: [NewRiver] Bette-Re: Code of Virginia on Cemeteries Bette, you had asked about access to private cemeteries, and I spent a good amount of time searching the Code of Virginia. I couldn't find anything about "relatives" of those buried in the cemetery having access, but I did find the following: =A7 57-27.1. Access to private cemeteries. After reasonable notice to the property owner at his last known address, representatives of local historical commissions may enter upon the land of a private or family cemetery for the purpose of conducting official business, unless the property owner objects. =A7 18.2-127. B. Any person who willfully or maliciously destroys, mutilates, defaces, injures, or removes any object or structure permanently attached or affixed within any church or on church property, any tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure placed within any cemetery, graveyard, or place of burial, or within any lot belonging to any memorial or monumental association, or any fence, railing, or other work for the protection or ornament of any tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure aforesaid, or of any cemetery lot within any cemetery is guilty of a Class 6 felony. So the second one at least lets us know that fences, etc. cannot be torn down and cattle run through the cemetery. I hope this helps. Susan Taylor >> >> --part1_18a.422b99d.29b0fc7e_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-xe05.mx.aol.com (rly-xe05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.197]) by air-xe02.mail.aol.com (v83.45) with ESMTP id MAILINXE23-0225144505; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:45:05 -0500 Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.32]) by rly-xe05.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXE57-0225144458; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:44:58 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id g1PJhm112166; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:43:48 -0700 Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:43:48 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Mon Feb 25 12:43:47 2002 From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:43:43 EST Old-To: [email protected] Old-Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_16e.9600364.29abedef_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Subject: [VACAROLI] Fwd: [NewRiver] Bette-Re: Code of Virginia on Cemeteries Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/938 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_16e.9600364.29abedef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't remember which list wanted this info. Some of you might want to pass it along to those looking for answers. ~Virginia << ----- Original Message ----- To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: [NewRiver] Bette-Re: Code of Virginia on Cemeteries Bette, you had asked about access to private cemeteries, and I spent a good amount of time searching the Code of Virginia. I couldn't find anything about "relatives" of those buried in the cemetery having access, but I did find the following: =A7 57-27.1. Access to private cemeteries. After reasonable notice to the property owner at his last known address, representatives of local historical commissions may enter upon the land of a private or family cemetery for the purpose of conducting official business, unless the property owner objects. =A7 18.2-127. B. Any person who willfully or maliciously destroys, mutilates, defaces, injures, or removes any object or structure permanently attached or affixed within any church or on church property, any tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure placed within any cemetery, graveyard, or place of burial, or within any lot belonging to any memorial or monumental association, or any fence, railing, or other work for the protection or ornament of any tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure aforesaid, or of any cemetery lot within any cemetery is guilty of a Class 6 felony. So the second one at least lets us know that fences, etc. cannot be torn down and cattle run through the cemetery. I hope this helps. Susan Taylor >> --part1_16e.9600364.29abedef_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-xf02.mx.aol.com (rly-xf02.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.226]) by air-xf05.mail.aol.com (v83.45) with ESMTP id MAILINXF510-0225141729; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:17:29 -0500 Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by rly-xf02.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXF28-0225141704; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:17:04 -0500 Received: from computer ([208.188.24.156]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with SMTP id <[email protected]>; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:15:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:15:32 -0600 From: malinda <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NewRiver] Bette-Re: Code of Virginia on Cemeteries To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;;> Message-id: <[email protected]> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <[email protected]> Just FYI.....~malinda ----- Original Message ----- To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: [NewRiver] Bette-Re: Code of Virginia on Cemeteries Bette, you had asked about access to private cemeteries, and I spent a good amount of time searching the Code of Virginia. I couldn't find anything about "relatives" of those buried in the cemetery having access, but I did find the following: =A7 57-27.1. Access to private cemeteries. After reasonable notice to the property owner at his last known address, representatives of local historical commissions may enter upon the land of a private or family cemetery for the purpose of conducting official business, unless the property owner objects. =A7 18.2-127. B. Any person who willfully or maliciously destroys, mutilates, defaces, injures, or removes any object or structure permanently attached or affixed within any church or on church property, any tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure placed within any cemetery, graveyard, or place of burial, or within any lot belonging to any memorial or monumental association, or any fence, railing, or other work for the protection or ornament of any tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure aforesaid, or of any cemetery lot within any cemetery is guilty of a Class 6 felony. So the second one at least lets us know that fences, etc. cannot be torn down and cattle run through the cemetery. I hope this helps. Susan Taylor --part1_16e.9600364.29abedef_boundary-- ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager at [email protected] with any comments, questions or problems you may have regarding your membership. --part1_18a.422b99d.29b0fc7e_boundary--

A big thank you to all who sent information about processioning. It has all been very helpful. Now it makes a lot more sense. I knew you would be able to help me on this. Thanks everyone. Fred in St. Paul, MN

Those people on this list who are also subscribed to other lists that may have an interest in the Pebble Creek graves, might want to pass along the information to those other lists. If more people become aware of what happens to unmarked and untended graveyards, it is less likely that developers will be successful in doing this elsewhere. Sandra Heath GentryGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hey Cuzn' :) I missed that, but thanks for posting it here! Hmm...Must have been some rich slaves, as the workers told ME, "This is no lower class cemetery. From the casket handles and glass-topped coffins we're digging, it's our 20+ year experience that this was an upper class cemetery. These people had NICE things....pearl earrings, porcelain buttons on their clothes, ornate, expensive caskets..." The fact is it IS a slave cemetery there, AND there is the Sydnor Plantation cemetery adjacent to it. One cannot readily tell where one ends and the other begins. I saw them, firsthandedly, digging up fancy casket fragments, and only a couple feet away, fragments of decayed pine boxes with no ornate fixtures, etc. What a shame, the media wants to sugar coat all this, for fear of upsetting the County officials. THAT is what NEEDS to be done..ultimately....an UPSET within the COUNTY OFFICIALS. I truly believe that if they "digged a little deeper" for info (pardon the unintened pun), they would uncover a series of incidents where a certain developer has removed the tombtones and markers from graves, hired someone to say there was no graves there, then have their plats of land amended at the County Courthouse. Read the "Letters to the Editor" at the Mechanicsville Local's site, (www.mechlocal.com) and you will find in this week's issue (2/27/2002) a letter from Linda Heath of Mechanicsville, referencing the graves at Wal-Mart. If the tombstones were present in the fly-overs PRIOR to the original developer (same one as Pebble Creek...?) yet, they were gone in the fly-over from right before development began....well DUH! It does NOT take a rocket scientist to figure out something is not right here. Same with the aerial photos of the Pebble Creek property PRIOR to the original developer's ownership. Put two and two together. Tombstones don't walk away...and those GRAVES they are diggin up NOW are PROOF they were INDEED there. **steps down off soap box** Thanks for letting me vent. ~Sandra >From: <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [VAHANOVE] "Story" on Channel 8 television, Richmond >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:33:23 -0500 > >http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=683751&nav=0Rcw7aJi > >Work crews in Hanover County have unearthed nearly 150 bodies in what is >believed to be a slave burial site. The bodies, some of which date back to >the 1750's are being removed to make way for new development off Route 360 >in the Pebble Creek Community. > >Recovery crews are three quarters of the way through excavation. They are >under court order to dig up the remains and then rebury them properly. > >The developer, PMG1 tells 8News there was no written record of the burial >site. But local historians say it was common knowledge. > >Allan K. Smith, a Hanover resident, says, "We knew for many many years that >there was at least 100 - 120 people buried there, and we knew it was a >slave >burying ground." > >Hanover Planning Director, Michael Crescenzo, notes, "there's been no >evidence provided to my knowledge that there was anything on that property. > >The developer says plans will go forward to build two homes on the property >once all the bodies have been removed. > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Regarding the unease at living over a one time burial site. Virtually every structure east of the Mississippi is built over at least one final resting place of a Native American. The burials add up over a few thousand years. LL ===== Lawrence Leveque [email protected] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com

http://www.wric.com/Global/story.asp?S=683751&nav=0Rcw7aJi Work crews in Hanover County have unearthed nearly 150 bodies in what is believed to be a slave burial site. The bodies, some of which date back to the 1750's are being removed to make way for new development off Route 360 in the Pebble Creek Community. Recovery crews are three quarters of the way through excavation. They are under court order to dig up the remains and then rebury them properly. The developer, PMG1 tells 8News there was no written record of the burial site. But local historians say it was common knowledge. Allan K. Smith, a Hanover resident, says, "We knew for many many years that there was at least 100 - 120 people buried there, and we knew it was a slave burying ground." Hanover Planning Director, Michael Crescenzo, notes, "there's been no evidence provided to my knowledge that there was anything on that property. The developer says plans will go forward to build two homes on the property once all the bodies have been removed.

This is for any site who wishes to use it. You are welcome to copy it. Info came off the original census. Dwelling 1656 Enter jail AGE Occupation Born Crime Charles S. Morgan 50 Superintendent, VA > >> of the Penitentiary >> Alcinda 38 Wife >> " >> Alcinda 15 daughter >> " >> Charles S. 14 son >> " >> Stephen E. 12 son >> " >> George P. Morgan 29 Asst. Keeper " >> John Moss 27 Guard >> MD. Prisoner's name/race/yr. enter jail/ age/occupation/born/crime > >> James Grimes Mulatto 1847 40 Shoemaker VA >> Stabbing >> Joseph Hunt Mulatto 1842 48 Shoemaker NC >> Murder >> Josiah Butler 1847 60 Shoemaker MD. >> " >> C. Owens 1848 45 Shoemaker VA >> " >> Jas. Craddock 1848 50 Shoemaker VA >> " >> J. W. Sovegrove 1848 37 Shoemaker VA >> " R. Ridgeway 1846 32 Harness Maker VA " Richard P. Sea 1846 23 Tailor VA " Thomas D. Betts 1848 50 Tailor VA " W. D. Simmons 1839 41 Millstone Maker VA " T. J. Thomason 1848 20 Blacksmith VA " Bryant Boon Black 1839 31 Asce Maker " " Nelson Hooper 1845 33 Asce Grinder " " Alfred Dodd 1841 31 Blacksmith " " A. Goslin 1846 34 Millstone Maker " " Thomas F. Marks 1838 30 Weaver " " F. Winston Black 1846 31 Weaver " " D. W. McCure 1843 50 Weaver Ohio " William A. Beard 1847 54 Spooler VA " G. Brown 1842 59 Spooler Germany " John Bryant 1847 30 Carpenter VA " William P J Taylor 1848 26 " " " S. Todd 1845 42 Cabinet Maker " " Parks D. Sernard 1838 29 Painter " " John Perry 1847 33 Carpenter " " John Daviderson 1842 48 Jobless " " Robert Page 1837 43 Shoemaker " " Joseph N. Jones 1849 48 Washer " " Betty Richardson 1839 49 Seamstress " " Turner Estes 1849 39 Shoemaker KY " James Southerland 1849 49 " VA " J. F. Schinburger 1849 30 " " " Robert Mills Black 1850 39 " " " F. Carter 1850 23 Wheelwright " Manslaughter A. Burrus 1848 32 Weaver " " J. B. Davis 1849 43 Carpenter " " William Cole 1848 37 Carpenter " " John Wheeler Black 1847 24 Shoemaker " " Henry Bass 1850 37 Carpenter " " A. Elder 1850 48 Carpenter " " Robert Veney 1846 44 Jobless " Shooting C. Bryant 1848 57 Spooler " " R. Whitmore 1847 54 Quiller " " J. Mozingo 1850 29 Asce Maker " " Tom Johnson Black 1847 24 Blacksmith " " Robert Alfred Mulatto 1847 27 Carpenter " " Tom Harris Black 1843 30 Shoemaker " " N. B. Sprinkle 1849 46 Quiller " " John Binford Mulatto 1849 35 Shoemaker " " Martin Freeman Mulatto 1844 40 Blacksmith Maine Stabbing M. S. C. Shelly 1845 34 Tailor VA " James Cooke Black 1846 25 Asc maker " " Jese Bates Mulatto 1847 37 Weaver " Assault John Kieser Mulatto 1848 38 Carpenter " " A. Artey Black 1849 30 Seamstress " " J. Holley Black 1847 25 Blacksmith " Wounding E. Byars Mulatto 1845 45 Weaver "Pi_ _ ining S. Burgess 1847 30 Shoemaker " Rape William Anderson 1848 25 Carpenter Pennsylvania Rape F. Hyson 1848 30 Asce Maker VA Rape I am sending this on with a follow up [Part 2 Penitentiary] I am not sure of the occupation of Asc maker or Asce grinder. Does anyone know if I have it right? It seems so clear on the census, yet it made no sense to me. Please feel free to correct it if you know of the right spelling. June > >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7EE21F163EFD63A9F51AD026 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------7EE21F163EFD63A9F51AD026 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from firewall.west-server.com [192.168.1.66] (HELO fw.internal.4netconnect.com) by west_server.internal.west-server.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0/2.0 BL23 listener) id 0000_005a_3c7e_5162_d8e8; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:48:50 -0500 Received: from mx1.mediageneral.net (mx1.mediageneral.net [12.5.1.2]) by fw.internal.4netconnect.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1SFoKd17036 for <[email protected]>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:50:20 -0500 Received: from no.name.available by mx1.mediageneral.net via smtpd (for ip178.west-server.com [206.155.173.178]) with SMTP; 28 Feb 2002 15:43:09 UT Received: by inet-mail2.themeganet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <FZA0D9L7>; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:47:23 -0500 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Hanover travesty Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:47:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 joanne, i'll be working on any stories that follow. if you have any new information, please send it to me. also, if i write any more stories, i may want to quote you. what phone numbers can i call you at? bob -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Yates [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:58 AM To: Piazza, Robert S.; Holmberg, Mark W.; [email protected] Subject: Hanover travesty Can you arrange for yourself, Mark Holmberg, and Michael Paul Williams to investigate this publicly? Michael is an African-American, and since some of the graves belong to black people from the 1800's, he might want to get involved also. We need all the publicity we can get to stop this travesty, and to protect the folks who will eventually buy the houses in Pebble Creek (only a few feet away from the graves!) from possible disease, infection, and house settling, from the improper filling of the graves. Remember the shrink/swell situation in South Richmond? This could be worse! Jo Yates --------------7EE21F163EFD63A9F51AD026--

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-------- Original Message -------- From: Glenda <[email protected]> Subject: {not a subscriber} Processioning To: Hanover Va list <[email protected]> This may help you in regards to the meaning of processioning. Processioner: a type of a surveyor in England and the US, especially in Va. and Ky. His job was to decide upon property boundaries to mark, and describe them in the processioner's book. Occasionally, the total acres and property boundaries determined by the processioner will be found in old minutes of a church in whose parish boundaries the land in question was located. Processioning, land: each four years, all landowners in a community would ride or walk along the boundaries of all their plantations. Surveyors who accompanied this procession would redraw any disputed lines. This custom came from England to Va. as a means of avoiding disputes arising from poor surveys or loss of boundary markers such as trees. The above is from "A TO ZAX a Comprehensive Dictionary for Genealogists and Historians" ; Barbara Jean Evans. This book is an asset to anyone doing genealogy. Glenda Trogdon Allen

HI! While you are helping Fred, can you tell us what the 400 units of value given annually to various people by St. Paul's are, and are for? John Stone was given them for several years around 1750, then another was given 150 of them for burying John Stone. Did he do something for the parish, or was he poor and given support? There were not a lot of these payments in a given year. Charlie McNett

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Would someone please explain what processioning orders are? I have read the St. Paul's vestry book also and I didn't understand what the term processioning meant. Thanks so much. Fred in St. Paul

I certainly wouldn't want to buy a house that is going to be built over these cemeteries. I would be afraid it would be haunted. I always thought it was sacrilegious (I think that is the correct spelling) to disturb a grave. Maybe those who do will pay for it in the long run. Pat

Anyone living locally, please tune in to Channel 8 (WRIC) at 11 pm or you can visit www.wric.com and check up on updates that way if you are out of the area. There will be coverage at that time. This definitely is getting some serious exposure. I understand the Governor is being contacted as well as several members of the State Legislature & General Assembly. This definitely involves several from Oscar Via to Riley Lowe to the current developer & PebbleCreek & so on. Those interested should also check www.mechlocal.com (Mechanicsville Local newspaper) and the Herald Progress newspaper www.herald-progress.com There has been ALOT in the Letters to the Editors of both. I do know the body count is over 140 now this evening. Will keep you all posted on any other new info as I hear about it. Sheri Millikin Hanover, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Information regarding the cemetery fiasco at PebbleCreek in H... > Sherri, > Don't forget that Oscar Via bulldozed some of the Civil War Trenches on this > property about the time that they were trying to get the property rezoned . > At that time if my memory serves me right there was a big stir going on with > the Media about the Historic civil war trenches on this property. If the > last grave was put there in the 1940's I would thing that Mr. Via knew about > the Cemetery on that property. > > Pat > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sherri, Don't forget that Oscar Via bulldozed some of the Civil War Trenches on this property about the time that they were trying to get the property rezoned . At that time if my memory serves me right there was a big stir going on with the Media about the Historic civil war trenches on this property. If the last grave was put there in the 1940's I would thing that Mr. Via knew about the Cemetery on that property. Pat

Everyone, I've just gotten off the phone with the reporter from Channel 8 again. If you are in the area, please tune in to Channel's 6 & 8 this evening at 6 pm. If not, you can follow the stories on www.wtvr.com www.wric.com or www.nbc12.com (I have no idea if Channel 12 is following up on any of this or not.) I've emailed CNN as well (through a cousin/friend/fellow genealogist employee/reporter), but haven't heard back yet. Several people who have information on the names & dates of the graves have consented to interviews with reporters, so the ball is rolling. The County Admin. is supposed to give an interview as well to this same reporter from Channel 8. I'm trying folks. I'm honestly trying. If anyone has ANY suggestions...no matter how great or small....PLEASE share them either with me privately or on the group. This all goes back to the original developer, Riley Lowe...from there to the current developer, planning committee(s), etc. Riley Lowe was also the original developer of the property at which the Wal-Mart in Mechanicsville was built on where a known gravesite is now under the parking lot. This is not the first time this has happened. Please...PLEASE....let the Hanover Co. government know your feelings! Thanks again all....will continue to keep you all posted!! Sheri Millikin Hanover, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Information regarding the cemetery fiasco at PebbleCreek in Hanover County, VA > Sheri > GO GIRL! > The one thing people doing wrong hate is publicity and lots of it. The worst > part is not persuing ALL AVENUES(not just the minimum to comply with the > letter of the law) to try and find the relatives > > I will say this...Tommy Naumann of Burress Vaults has done this for > YEARS(his father in law before him) sooo his company are experts and they > ,of course, were just hired to do the job. Im sure he could have done a > better job at determining what was there than a funeral home director. The > equiptment they use may seem crude to some but i think they know what they > are doing and what to look for.The important thing,if the graves are to be > relocated is get everything they can at the site to transfer to a new > hopefully secure site. > > The important part of this move of the graves is to find out as many names > and information as possible sooo the families(if they are found )will have > some kind of peace. and a place to gather if they want to.This was evidently > NOT done!!!!!!!! We have all heard the horror stories of contractors,upon > finding graves,just covered them over and did not contact officials because > they didn't want to be delayed. > > I am the "caretaker" of my old family cemetery in Wva ...when im gone,i > don't know what will happen to the cemetery.Sooo ,the lesson here is...ALL > families should think long and hard about their own old family cemeteries > and make some kind of advance plans so this will not happen to them. > > Did anyone contact the Oscar Via and Snydor families??Just wondering!!! > > Carol in Hanover > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Information regarding the cemetery fiasco at > PebbleCreek in Hanover County, VA > > > >Lyn & everyone, > > > > I've just gotten off the phone with Channel 8 (Richmond television > >channel) who has now sent a reporter out to the area as well. I'm not > >thrilled about being involved with the media by any means, but whatever it > >takes to save our history I'm willing to do. I would suggest for anyone > and > >everyone to call, email, or write to those email addresses sent earlier and > >express your concern. > > I'll be glad to keep you all posted, but it looks as if there is a > >strong interest on this subject now. > >Sheri > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Lyn" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:21 AM > >Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Information regarding the cemetery fiasco at > >PebbleCreek in Hanover County, VA > > > > > >> Sheri, > >> > >> For those of us are no longer living in the area, it is reassuring to > >> know someone in the area still cares to fight the fight. Thank you so > >> much for sharing this info. > >> > >> Genealogy is more than names & dates. It is recognizing and respecting > >> the gifts of our forefathers. In the case of Hanover County & > >> surrounding areas, our forefathers were also the forefathers of our > >> nation. The gift is the freedom we all enjoy today. Many of us had > >> forefathers in the area long before the English arrived. > >> > >> The road was not without bloodshed, but that is where the foundation was > >> laid. > >> > >> Off my soapbox > >> Lyn > >> (List manager) > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sheri GO GIRL! The one thing people doing wrong hate is publicity and lots of it. The worst part is not persuing ALL AVENUES(not just the minimum to comply with the letter of the law) to try and find the relatives I will say this...Tommy Naumann of Burress Vaults has done this for YEARS(his father in law before him) sooo his company are experts and they ,of course, were just hired to do the job. Im sure he could have done a better job at determining what was there than a funeral home director. The equiptment they use may seem crude to some but i think they know what they are doing and what to look for.The important thing,if the graves are to be relocated is get everything they can at the site to transfer to a new hopefully secure site. The important part of this move of the graves is to find out as many names and information as possible sooo the families(if they are found )will have some kind of peace. and a place to gather if they want to.This was evidently NOT done!!!!!!!! We have all heard the horror stories of contractors,upon finding graves,just covered them over and did not contact officials because they didn't want to be delayed. I am the "caretaker" of my old family cemetery in Wva ...when im gone,i don't know what will happen to the cemetery.Sooo ,the lesson here is...ALL families should think long and hard about their own old family cemeteries and make some kind of advance plans so this will not happen to them. Did anyone contact the Oscar Via and Snydor families??Just wondering!!! Carol in Hanover -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Information regarding the cemetery fiasco at PebbleCreek in Hanover County, VA >Lyn & everyone, > > I've just gotten off the phone with Channel 8 (Richmond television >channel) who has now sent a reporter out to the area as well. I'm not >thrilled about being involved with the media by any means, but whatever it >takes to save our history I'm willing to do. I would suggest for anyone and >everyone to call, email, or write to those email addresses sent earlier and >express your concern. > I'll be glad to keep you all posted, but it looks as if there is a >strong interest on this subject now. >Sheri >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lyn" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:21 AM >Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Information regarding the cemetery fiasco at >PebbleCreek in Hanover County, VA > > >> Sheri, >> >> For those of us are no longer living in the area, it is reassuring to >> know someone in the area still cares to fight the fight. Thank you so >> much for sharing this info. >> >> Genealogy is more than names & dates. It is recognizing and respecting >> the gifts of our forefathers. In the case of Hanover County & >> surrounding areas, our forefathers were also the forefathers of our >> nation. The gift is the freedom we all enjoy today. Many of us had >> forefathers in the area long before the English arrived. >> >> The road was not without bloodshed, but that is where the foundation was >> laid. >> >> Off my soapbox >> Lyn >> (List manager) >> >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

List members, My most sincere & heartfelt thanks to each & every one of you that have contacted me privately with supportive thoughts, suggestions, and comments. I thank all of you from the bottom of my heart!!! Here are the email addresses for those who wish to write with their concerns. The "To:" line contains the email addresses for the Planning Committee members, the Board of Supervisors, and other related Hanover County officials. The "Cc:" line contains the email addresses for the local newspapers/reporters and television stations. My next objective is to get with those who have the direct information on who was buried there. The only one that I am certain about is Emma Green who was the last descendant of the slave family that lived there. She was buried there in the 1970's. As soon as I get this information together, this list will be the first to receive it. That I promise! This has got to stop. At what point in time do any of our final resting places become just that....resting places AND final?? Sheri Millikin Hanover, VA To: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected] ; [email protected]

ABC, NBC, and CBS news services have also been notified.(at the national level)