Thank you to all who responded to my query abot ancestors of Louisa Harris, including Graves and Overton families. They are a big help. But not much on the Graves family link to the Harris family, which surprises. Trueman Farris.

J. Farris wrote to the Hanover Co., VA List: I am looking for information on ancestors of Louisa Harris, daughter of Graves Harris. She was b. about 1814 in Warren Co., KY and married Caleb MAY in Sumner Co., TN. Caleb and Louisa moved to Johnson Co., MO about 1840. After a while, the Harris, Graves, Overton mix gets pretty confusing for an amateur like me. HELP!!!. My response to J. Farris: 1. Where did Graves Harris live (when you last saw him in a record)? The name is unfamiliar to me. Does he appear on the tax lists of Warren Co., KY? I see that the Family History Library in Salt Lake City has 8 microfilm reels of tax records beginning 1797. That is generally a good way to spot early residents of Kentucky, rather than using censuses. Also, court records are quite useful--they are called court order books in Kentucky. 2. I am unfamiliar with most Tennessee research, but I happen to know that Sumner Co., TN has its own archives, and an index of their holdings has been published. (For the name of the index, you might use the online catalog of LDS at www.familysearch.org. Link to catalog is on lower right. Perhaps you can to write Sumner Co. Archives and ask their fees for searching--and hopefully find something of your ancestors. 3. If you are near an LDS (Mormon) family history center, you need to get acquainted with a people-finder called AIS (Accelerated Indexing System). These are hundreds of microfiche and they comprise a consolidated census index for the whole US through the year 1850, and, in some instances--say Western Territories, the AIS goes beyond 1850. There are also mortality schedules for 1850 and for 1860 (for those persons who died in the 12 months preceding the census). All FHCs have been provided with AIS, I am told. (Call up your center and learn the days and hours of opening, and recognize that the volunteers are NOT always genealogists and don't always know the holdings of their center. But ask and browse!) A word of caution: AIS has many errors--duplications, mispellings, omissions--but if you find your folks, you are way ahead! 4. The fact that the name Overton creeps in your Harris family suggests (but does NOT prove) that this particular Harris family MAY have had some connection to the William Harris-Temperance Overton family of colonial Hanover Co. However, when you look at AIS (arranged alphabetically by surname), you will discover MANY Overtons in Tennessee, including one county named Overton. (I was researching some early Kentucky land records--indexes--the other day, and discovered many Overton males in those lists. They were originally of Virginia, of course.) And Harris is such a common name!!! 5. If you don't subscribe to Harris-Hunters, you should do so. I believe this is the address: [email protected] (And welcome to the world of Harris-Hunters!) E.W.Wallace

There has been some discussion of one William Harris of early Hanover Co. (wife Temperance Overton) and subsequent discussion of son Robert Harris. This info is posted for those with a desire for some documented info, albeit it secondary evidence. Robert' Harris's (abstracted) will (W.B. 3-165) in Louisa Co., VA reads as follows: 18 June 1765. I August 1765. Son Christopher to have 40 acres of land in Albemarle County, known as "Bears Cornfield." After decease of wife, son William to have all land I now hold in Albemarle County. Sons, Robert, Tyre and William Harris to have slaves. Wife Mowrning (Mourning) to have use of all lands during her life. Son William [who was underage] to be under direction of son-in-law John Rodes. Exrs: sons-in-law John Rodes and William Shelton. Wit: Daniel Maupin, John Mullins, Jr, William Maupin and Connerly Mullins. (Rosalie Edith Davis, LOUISA COUNTY, VIRGINIA DEED BOOKS A AND B, 1742-1759 [Bellevue, WA, 1976] Davis's abstracts shows many Harris males involved in land transactions in Louisa County. Perhaps these Harrises were related because their names appear often in conjunction with others who are related to female lines, i.e., Rice, Dabney, Glen.) Mourning Harris's will was filed in Albemarle Co., VA, 1776. Harris, Mourning - 8 May 1775. March Court, 1776. Mentions will made by late husband, Robert Harris, 18 June 1765. Daughter-in-law Elizabeth Harris and "rest of my children," not named. Exrs: John Rodes and William Shelton. Wit: James Woodson, John Gillum (Gilliam), William Tomberlin. (Page 338) These co-executors, her sons-in-law, were the same ones named by her deceased husband. Rodes died a few months later than Mourning. (Source: J. Estelle Stewart King, ABSTRACTS OF WILLS, INVENTORIES, AND ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTS OF ALBEMARLE COUNTY, VIRGINIA, 1748-1800, p. 23) Added information concerning Mourning Glen's probable father. I personally have unable to identify the Harris children who are named in this will. Any information from subscribers? The abstracted will of James Glen is as follows: "James Glen Hano-St. Martin 11 Jun 1762/3 Feb 1763 Son Gideon Glen. Son Nehemiah Glen land bound by a plan drawn by Robert Harris. Son Nathan Glen. Son James Glen. Daughter Gemima Symes. Granddaughters Frances Harris (under 18), Jude Harris (under 18), Anna Glen Harris and Molly Glen Harris (under 18). Grandson Peter Harris. Grandson Tyre Harris. Daughter Hannah Austin. Daughter Mary Hopkins. Daughter Elizabeth Byass. Daughter Ann Glen. Wife Hannah Glen. Son Thompson Glen. Daughters Keziah Harris and Sarah Dabney. Exors: Sons Gideon Glen, Nehemiah Glen and Nathan Glen. Wit: Mary Gilbert, Anna Gilbert, Henry Gilbert. (VGS Quart V. 14, pp. 84-87." as quoted in William Lindsay Hopkins, SOME WILLS FROM THE BURNED COUNTIES (Richmond: 1987). Submitted by E. W.Wallace

Howdy: For those of you who may be interested there is a book titled: "My Wife's Family" by Noah H. Bradley in which he has traced the ancestry of the Overton Family back to John Overton who was born in Yorkshire England around Sept of 1650. In this book he states that " Temperance Overton born 2 March 1679 died 19 Feb 1716 buried "Cedar Hill" Hanover Co. VA. married around 1695 to William Harris of Hanover Co. born around 1669 and died before 1733 in Virginia." Temperance and William Harris had a family of some 9 children: Major Robert Harris who married Mourning Glenn, Elizabeth Harris, George Harris, John Harris, Benjamin Harris, William Harris, Jemima Harris who married William Overton (her cousin) , Edward Harris and David Harris. Regards, Bernie in Springfield, VA.

Mourning Glenn m. Robert Harris before 1724, and lived in an area that became Louisa Co., VA. They died in Albemarle Co., 1765 & 1776, respectively. Their children were: Anne m. John Dabney, Christopoher m. Mary Dabney, Tyree m. Elizabeth Chapman, Mary m. James Harris, Mourning Glenn m. John Jouett, Lucy m. William Shelton, Sarah m. John Rodes (a descendant of Charlemagne), Robert m. Lucretia Brown, Rachel, who left a will in Surry Co. recorded November Court 1809, leaving the following children (sons): Tyree, Bezeleel Brown, Bernice. Elijah, heirs of son Robert; daughters Lucretia, Mourning Burch, Nancy Boon, Lucy Head, heirs of Patsy Tanner, heirs of Sarah Blackwell. Source: Mrs. Joy Quimby Stearns ~Virginia [email protected] wrote: << As I understand the genealogy of William Harris and his wife Temperance Overton, one of his sons was Major Robert Harris (wife Mourning [Glen or Glenn?]) later of Louisa Co. and of Albemarle Co. Robt's will and that of his widow are both given on the internet--US GenWeb, but I don't have the URL at present. Suggest a search with google.com, putting proper names in quotation marks prior to the search. >>

As I understand the genealogy of William Harris and his wife Temperance Overton, one of his sons was Major Robert Harris (wife Mourning [Glen or Glenn?]) later of Louisa Co. and of Albemarle Co. Robt's will and that of his widow are both given on the internet--US GenWeb, but I don't have the URL at present. Suggest a search with google.com, putting proper names in quotation marks prior to the search. I believe Robert had a brother named Benjamin who married a Brown [Lucretia?]. Many records of the Harris sons appear in Louisa Co. records. Louisa was formed 1742 from Hanover Co. Only a few Hanover Co. records of the period 1733-1735 remain, although lately (1990s) the Magazine of Virginia Genealogy has published some Merchants' Account Books of this area, which help genealogists establish whether their ancestors actually were in the vicinity of Hanover Co. Malcolm Hart Harris, in his later writings, in The Virginia Genealogist [volumes unknown at present] has written of this William Harris. The grave of Temperance Harris nee Overton is near Doswell, VA. I viewed it in August. Happy hunting for Harrises! E.W.Wallace

Here is another William Harris that will tend to confuse the most avid searcher of the Harris-Overton families. In searching land patents in Hanover County, VA., the following is a description of the above subject describing some of his land holdings: His land was taken up along the Little River and between the Little River and the North Anna River. His wife was Temperance who was a daughter of William Overton. Capt. Harris is buried at the graveyard of "Cedar Hill" located near Doswell, VA.

I am looking for information on ancestors of Louisa Harris, daughter of Graves Harris. She was b. about 1814 in Warren Co., KY and married Caleb MAY in Sumner Co., TN. Caleb and Louisa moved to Johnson Co., MO about 1840. After a while, the Harris, Graves, Overton mix gets pretty confusing for an amateur like me. HELP!!!. Trueman Farris [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: [VAHANOVE] Re: Unidentified subject! > William Harris, Jr., son of Capt. Wm. & Temperance (Overton) Harris, had > several > children and it was they that started using Overton as a middle name. > Actually, > Junior named one of his sons Overton Harris. > > I have Overtons in my Graves & Gibbs lines, too. > > ~Virginia > > > [email protected] wrote: > > << My William Harris from "WS" in Hanover is NOT one of the three or four > William Harris' written up from Hanover, but he disappears from tax > records after 1800 and commencing 1801 his son George Harris starts > paying taxes on his property, whether from an inheritance or sale is not > known. What is known is that William's son George gave the surname > "OVERTON" to several of his children including one daughter Lucy Overton > Harris and also gave following surnames to other of his ichildren: > GRAVES, HUDSON, DICKSON. Have been unable to determine parents of > William or maiden name of George's wife Sarah. George Harris sold this > property in 1806 and removed to Lincoln-Warren County, KY. Some family > members later moved to Lafayette & Johnson Counties, Missouri. William > Harris would have been born about 1730. George about 1755. >> > > ______________________________

<A HREF="http://theoldentimes.com/old_news_va.html">The Olden Times Genealogy & Local History - Old…</A> http://theoldentimes.com/old_news_va.html I've never seen this before & thought others might want to see it too. ~Virginia

Becky, Any of my paternal ancestors from VA would be very early. (My paternal grandfather was b. 1849 in MO & grandmother, b. 1852 in KY.) Wish I could've been of more help. :-( ~Virginia [email protected] wrote: << Virginia - In your line of Harris', do you have a ____? Harris married to Laura E. Crump? They would have gotten married about 1872. They had two daughters, Ruth Watson Harris (b 1874) and Maude Linwood Harris (b 1879), before he died. Laura is listed as a widow in the 1880 census. Maude married Henry Oswell Tiller in 1898. Laura sometime later married a Collins according to my husbands grandmother. She couldn't, however, remember Mr. Harris' first name. Becky [email protected] >>

Virginia - In your line of Harris', do you have a ____? Harris married to Laura E. Crump? They would have gotten married about 1872. They had two daughters, Ruth Watson Harris (b 1874) and Maude Linwood Harris (b 1879), before he died. Laura is listed as a widow in the 1880 census. Maude married Henry Oswell Tiller in 1898. Laura sometime later married a Collins according to my husbands grandmother. She couldn't, however, remember Mr. Harris' first name. Becky [email protected] ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I came across some "Surname Harris" information. Click on the purple link "Full". ~Jeanette Filename: vestry.txt Match Number: 32 of 2029 Score: 8 Headline Field [HEADLINE]: Hanover County, VA 1706 - 1786 Vestry Book of St. Paul's Parish Select: [Full] [HEADLINE

William Harris, Jr., son of Capt. Wm. & Temperance (Overton) Harris, had several children and it was they that started using Overton as a middle name. Actually, Junior named one of his sons Overton Harris. I have Overtons in my Graves & Gibbs lines, too. ~Virginia [email protected] wrote: << My William Harris from "WS" in Hanover is NOT one of the three or four William Harris' written up from Hanover, but he disappears from tax records after 1800 and commencing 1801 his son George Harris starts paying taxes on his property, whether from an inheritance or sale is not known. What is known is that William's son George gave the surname "OVERTON" to several of his children including one daughter Lucy Overton Harris and also gave following surnames to other of his ichildren: GRAVES, HUDSON, DICKSON. Have been unable to determine parents of William or maiden name of George's wife Sarah. George Harris sold this property in 1806 and removed to Lincoln-Warren County, KY. Some family members later moved to Lafayette & Johnson Counties, Missouri. William Harris would have been born about 1730. George about 1755. >>

My William Harris from "WS" in Hanover is NOT one of the three or four William Harris' written up from Hanover, but he disappears from tax records after 1800 and commencing 1801 his son George Harris starts paying taxes on his property, whether from an inheritance or sale is not known. What is known is that William's son George gave the surname "OVERTON" to several of his children including one daughter Lucy Overton Harris and also gave following surnames to other of his ichildren: GRAVES, HUDSON, DICKSON. Have been unable to determine parents of William or maiden name of George's wife Sarah. George Harris sold this property in 1806 and removed to Lincoln-Warren County, KY. Some family members later moved to Lafayette & Johnson Counties, Missouri. William Harris would have been born about 1730. George about 1755.

Your William Harris may have been 'aged off' or died. The Overton and Harris families intermarried in early VA belive Louisa and Hanover Cos the most. Bettye

Also an article in the Herald Progress this week. (It's about time!) [email protected] wrote: > Hello all, > Just wanted to send a very brief message for those who are interested in > knowing the latest about the cemeteries in Hanover Co. > There is an article in today's Richmond Times Dispatch and for those who > do not subscribe, you can find the article at > http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/more/MGB3W2C72ZC.html > You can also find updates at > http://www.savinggraves.com/usa/va/pebblecreek/index.html > > For those in the Richmond/surrounding areas, you can tune in to Channel > 8 tonight at 11pm for additional news! There was also alot of coverage on > Richmond radio station Lite 98 this morning from 6am to 8am for those who > may have already tuned in & listened/heard some. > > Thanks, > Sheri Millikin > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello all, Just wanted to send a very brief message for those who are interested in knowing the latest about the cemeteries in Hanover Co. There is an article in today's Richmond Times Dispatch and for those who do not subscribe, you can find the article at http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/more/MGB3W2C72ZC.html You can also find updates at http://www.savinggraves.com/usa/va/pebblecreek/index.html For those in the Richmond/surrounding areas, you can tune in to Channel 8 tonight at 11pm for additional news! There was also alot of coverage on Richmond radio station Lite 98 this morning from 6am to 8am for those who may have already tuned in & listened/heard some. Thanks, Sheri Millikin

Among the few remaining records of early Hanover Co. is this abstracted deed: p. 267-268 INDENT. 3 July 1735 Hugh Hogan of Hanover Co. to William Munkass of sd. Co.; 30 pds currt. money; 150 A... corner on ye lower side of Hogan's Swamp near ye mill... corner Charles Davocks line... Barbary Winstons line... Presstwood's corner... Hogan's corner... upper side of Hogan's Swamp down ye swamp to a corner in a Meadow a little below ye Mill. Hugh (H) Hogan Wit: Robert Harris, Richard Harris, Mourning Harris 5 July 1735 ack. by Hugh Hogan (Source: Rosalie Edith Davis, Hanover County, Virginia Court Recods 1733-1735: Deeds, Wills and Inventories [Manchester, MO: Published by author, 1979], p. 67) Those of you familiar with colonial Harris families of Hanover, Louisa, and Albemarle Cos--who is Richard Harris? Is he a brother--or a cousin--of Robert Harris? His name appears frequently in the few remaining Hanover Co. records as abstracted by Davis. He is frequently associated with Robert Harris in several remaining documents of Hanover Co. Robert Harris (later called Major) is a son of William Harris and Temperance Overton. Mourning Harris was reportedly Mourning Glen or Glenn. Has her parentage been adequately proved? Some say her mother was Mourning Winn, but this has been disputed in a recent (last 10 years) article in the Virginia Magazine of Genealogy. Malcolm Hart Harris, MD, who frequently wrote of Louisa Co. and of the Harris family seems to have changed his mind from time to time about the relationships of various Harris families. (Good genealogists always change their minds unless they have adequate proof.) E.W.Wallace (female) Desc. of Robert and Mourning Harris

June - sorry for the late reply - I was on vacation. If you don't already know the answer to this puzzle, have you considered 'Axe'? That sounds right to me. Marge << ........I am sending this on with a follow up [Part 2 Penitentiary] I am not sure of the occupation of Asc maker or Asce grinder. Does anyone know if I have it right? It seems so clear on the census, yet it made no sense to me. Please feel free to correct it if you know of the right spelling. June >>

I don't believe they were Quakers. They were a very wealthy family and I have found a relative (took me less than 24 hrs) and he is contacting other family members and is supposed to send me a genealogy tree of this particular family. The land transferred from Sydnor to Francis W. Johnson to Oscar Via (Sr. & Jr.) to the current developers. The Sydnors originally owned over 420 acres of property. Mostly family lived within on the property & each home/farm portion was given its own name. Dungarvon was this home/farm's name where the cemetery was. Hope this helps ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Attn all genealogists, historical/heritagegroupmembers, etc. > Thanks for the answers. I am on Webtv so cannot access all the info in > the website on this subject. Were the markers readable? And what > happened to them? Were the Sydnors Quakers? Who were the neigbors of the > Sydnors that may also be buried there? Pat > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >