I recall running across this surname (or similarly spelled) in the Library of Virginia digital files under family bibles a couple years back. I believe there were a number of pages to this record. I can't be more specific than that just now, but you might give LVA online files a try. Charlotte Geier ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

There was a family of Vaughans in Franklin Co., KY., that married into the Waddy-Thomson & Crockett lines. (Mary Ann Vaughan, b. 1807, m. Dandridge Spottswood Crockett<--interesting name.) These are not my lines, but distant collateral lines, so I don't know much more than I just gave you. ~Virginia

First, let's tackle what you MAY try to find out about your missing Johnson Vaughan. On the offchance that he or his parents may be listed in what is called the 1787 Census of Virginia (compiled by Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine Love), I suggest you enlist the help of your public librarian and see if he/she can locate these three volumes in a library near you (or perhaps interlibrary loan). These ladies published these three volumes about 20 years ago to help replace the missing 1790 census, and, in many ways, it is superior to the 1790 census. It is a compilation of personal property lists for each county in Virginia--which included all of Eastern Kentucky, parts of Ohio, what is now West Virginia, and probably the parts of Pennsylvania which Virginia claimed (I have not verified that last statement.) Anyway, I suspect that in that time and in that place (Virginia) Vaughan may not have been a very common name--but then I have NOT searched all counties in Virginia. Also, if you are near an LDS family history center, call them up and ask their hours and days of operation. They are manned by volunteers and don't work long hours, usually. At each LDS FHC, I am told, there is a microfiche copy (many microfiche) of Swem's Historical Index of Virginia (or some such name). This is arranged alphabetically by surname, and if I remember correctly, by place. Swem, a librarian at Wm. & Mary, indexed many journals of Virginia, such as the Wm & Mary Quarterly, Tyler's Quarterly, etc. You MAY get a lead on the surname Vaughan. (It's tough to find people who are migrating. But you also have to know the county boundaries of both VA and TN, in this case.) Also, ask at LDS whether they have either books, a CD-ROM, or microfiche for something called PERSI, which is a periodical index of genealogical publications issued by the Allen Co. Public Library, Fort Wayne, IN. If you find an article of interest in that index, you can send to Allen Co. PL and request photocopies--and they will bill you, I am told. I have not used their services, as I live in the outskirts of a large city with many genealogical sources. You man MAY be too young to have appeared on that list--and that is why I say offchance, but you may get a handle on other persons with that surname, and their location in 1787. The third volume of 1787 Census is the index to the two preceding volumes. I have found this set is a great people-finder for Virginians, Kentuckians, and others (mostly males, of course) for those ages 16 and up--and several persons are listed in several counties so double check each name in the index. My second comment: Thank you very much for the info about the Jouetts. By any chance do you have any sources for this info? (Henrietta Jouett was the first wife of Joseph Williams, a sometime official of colonial Lunenburg Co., VA. He remarried a woman named Frankey and died testate in Elbert Co., GA) I have a fair amount of info for Matthew Jouett the elder, but I lack much info about his children, except John Jouett (wife Mourning Harris, who is my kinswoman) and a little about Matthew Jouett the younger. If you wish more info, please contact me privately. Here are a few notes, which you are free to add to your database. I have more. Math. Jouett, Jo. Fox., and Jos. Williams were all witnesses of Louisa Co., DB A-117-119, Thomas Wingfield and wife Sarah Wingfield of Hanover Co. to James Winston of same. Deed dated 10 Oct 1743. Malcolm Hart Harris in his history of Louisa Co. listed those present at the house of Matthew Jouett, Gent., on Beaver Creek at the first court; 13 day of December MCDCCXLII among those present were Robert Harris (qv) and Joseph Fox. Fox and Jouett are two of the witnesses shown above. Other deeds of Louisa Co. indicate that the probable brother of Joseph Williams, Nathaniel Williams, was also present in Louisa Co. Joseph Williams later patented land in Lunenburg Co. (Details furnished on request). Matthew Jouett had resided in Hanover Co., VA (a "burned county") in 1733-1735, but deeds of Louisa Co. indicate he resided in Louisa Co.for a short time before his death ca 1743/44. Louisa Co. was formed from Hanover Co. in 1742. His widow, Susannah (said by IGI to have been nee Moore) certainly resided in Louisa Co. as indicated in some of the deeds which she and her children executed. Thank you for your interest. I am interested because this is an allied family of my Robert Harris family of Louisa Co., formerly of Hanover Co. and also of my colonial Henrico/Goochland/Hanover Williams family, several of whom migrated to colonial Granville Co., NC. E.W.Wallace (female)

Does anybody on the list know who the Sheriff of Hanover Co. was in 1805? Thanks, Ann -- Ann Avery Hunter Richmond, Virginia mailto:[email protected]

Elsie Wingfield married Tanner Carson Asher on Oct. 4, 1905 in Hanover Co., Va. Her brother, Charles William Wingfield married Tanner Carson Ashers sister, Nannie Bell Asher on January 31, 1906 in Hanover Co., Va. Both families made their homes in Campbell Co., Va., where the Ashers had been since the late 1600's. Could Elsie & Charles William be any relation to the Wingfield family of Hanover Co., Va? Pat

Theresa - What is your Edwards lineage? I am descended from Augustine Edwards born c 1821 who married Lucy --------? [LNU]. Their son was Adolphus C. Edwards 1858-1890 who married Bettie Lee Higgins of Hanover. Do you share any connection to this line? I am also a Hall descendant, but that line is of James City Co., VA. Marge Garfield -------------- << Subj: Re: [VAHANOVE] A Lost Piece of Confederate History & Heritage from Hanover Co... Date: 4/5/2002 8:12:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected] </A> To: [email protected] ............ Theresa Toney Willson Richmond, VA Researching the Family names of: ANGEVINE - New York and Virginia; BARR - Henrico Co., VA, Scotland; CONWAY - Henrico Co., VA; EDWARDS - Hanover, Louisa Co., VA; HALL - Hanover, Louisa Co., VA; LOWRY - Goochland, Hanover, Louisa Co's., VA; LUCK - Hanover, Louisa Co., VA; KIDD - Fluvanna Co., VA; KISER - Henrico Co., VA, Germany; MAHANES - Goochland, Hanover, Louisa Co., VA; MULWEE - Lee Co., VA; SEAY - Goochland, Fluvannia, Louisa Co., VA; SLONAKER - WVA, VA; STANLEY - Hanover Co., VA; STINSON - Buckingham, Cumberland Co., VA; TONEY - Buckingham Co., VA; WILLSON - Hartfort, CT; >>

The laws are already in favor of the property owners. It's just entirely too easy for someone to "become" a property owner. I would rather see the laws changed back to being in favor of the family myself. As it stands right now, the property owner has all rights & if they decide they don't like to look at headstones...well...so be it and down they go. Does the family have the right to visit the site? As it stands right now....NO. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > Ugh! That makes just about everyone vulnerable. Sounds like the laws need > to be changed...in favor of the property owners. > > ~Virginia > > << In VA, what is considered a "complete" title search, only goes back 60 > > years.....for older properties...they stayed within one family for that > > length of time & rather than going back "as far as possible" with > > written/recorded info, they simply go on the word of the title search. > > If no one speaks up...they win. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 3:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > > > > > I guess the key word here is "if". Somehow, the counties are getting > > around > > > those plats/documents, not only in VA, but also in KY. Would be > > interesting > > > to learn how the counties/developers are doing that... > > > > > > ~Virginia > > > > > > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > << If the cemetery is noted as such on tax plats/documents, then > > > > > > no taxes are paid on that portion of the property. >> > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ugh! That makes just about everyone vulnerable. Sounds like the laws need to be changed...in favor of the property owners. ~Virginia << In VA, what is considered a "complete" title search, only goes back 60 years.....for older properties...they stayed within one family for that length of time & rather than going back "as far as possible" with written/recorded info, they simply go on the word of the title search. If no one speaks up...they win. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > I guess the key word here is "if". Somehow, the counties are getting around > those plats/documents, not only in VA, but also in KY. Would be interesting > to learn how the counties/developers are doing that... > > ~Virginia > > > [email protected] wrote: > > << If the cemetery is noted as such on tax plats/documents, then > > no taxes are paid on that portion of the property. >>

In VA, what is considered a "complete" title search, only goes back 60 years.....for older properties...they stayed within one family for that length of time & rather than going back "as far as possible" with written/recorded info, they simply go on the word of the title search. If no one speaks up...they win. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > I guess the key word here is "if". Somehow, the counties are getting around > those plats/documents, not only in VA, but also in KY. Would be interesting > to learn how the counties/developers are doing that... > > ~Virginia > > > [email protected] wrote: > > << If the cemetery is noted as such on tax plats/documents, then > > no taxes are paid on that portion of the property. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 2:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > > > > > But someone has to pay the property taxes on it. If that 'someone' died > > and > > > the > > > taxes weren't being paid, the county can take it for back taxes. Out here > > > (west > > > coast) they usually have a tax sale, thus putting the property back on the > > > active > > > tax roll with a new owner. I don't know if this was done, but it's > > > plausible. > > > > > > Most counties could care less if our ancestors are buried on a piece of > > > property. > > > They just want their money! > > > > > > ~Virginia >> > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I guess the key word here is "if". Somehow, the counties are getting around those plats/documents, not only in VA, but also in KY. Would be interesting to learn how the counties/developers are doing that... ~Virginia [email protected] wrote: << If the cemetery is noted as such on tax plats/documents, then no taxes are paid on that portion of the property. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > But someone has to pay the property taxes on it. If that 'someone' died and > the > taxes weren't being paid, the county can take it for back taxes. Out here > (west > coast) they usually have a tax sale, thus putting the property back on the > active > tax roll with a new owner. I don't know if this was done, but it's > plausible. > > Most counties could care less if our ancestors are buried on a piece of > property. > They just want their money! > > ~Virginia >>

If the cemetery is noted as such on tax plats/documents, then no taxes are paid on that portion of the property. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > But someone has to pay the property taxes on it. If that 'someone' died and > the > taxes weren't being paid, the county can take it for back taxes. Out here > (west > coast) they usually have a tax sale, thus putting the property back on the > active > tax roll with a new owner. I don't know if this was done, but it's > plausible. > > Most counties could care less if our ancestors are buried on a piece of > property. > They just want their money! > > ~Virginia > > > [email protected] wrote: > > << Charlotte, > > The way the VA laws/codes read now, the property owner has the rights to > > the cemetery. In the case with Pebble Creek, that cemetery was never sold > > nor adverse possession ever obtained by court order. > > The property owner, in the legal sense, is still the Sydnor family, however, > > the developer has still managed to build homes & put a street through > > property he doesn't own. > > I would suggest getting a copy of the plat of land & see if the cemetery > > is noted & who the property owner is now. Then go backwards & see if the > > cemetery portion of the land was ever sold along with the property or > > "excluded from sale" as was written in the deed for the Sydnor family > > graveyards. > > Sheri > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Charlotte I Geier" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:32 AM > > Subject: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > > > > > Am I to understand from this discussion that unless specifically > > > identified in transfer documents, a cemetery is not automatically sold > > > along with the rest of the property? This concept could have interesting > > > ramifications for my grandfather's burial site in New Kent County. >> > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

But someone has to pay the property taxes on it. If that 'someone' died and the taxes weren't being paid, the county can take it for back taxes. Out here (west coast) they usually have a tax sale, thus putting the property back on the active tax roll with a new owner. I don't know if this was done, but it's plausible. Most counties could care less if our ancestors are buried on a piece of property. They just want their money! ~Virginia [email protected] wrote: << Charlotte, The way the VA laws/codes read now, the property owner has the rights to the cemetery. In the case with Pebble Creek, that cemetery was never sold nor adverse possession ever obtained by court order. The property owner, in the legal sense, is still the Sydnor family, however, the developer has still managed to build homes & put a street through property he doesn't own. I would suggest getting a copy of the plat of land & see if the cemetery is noted & who the property owner is now. Then go backwards & see if the cemetery portion of the land was ever sold along with the property or "excluded from sale" as was written in the deed for the Sydnor family graveyards. Sheri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte I Geier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > Am I to understand from this discussion that unless specifically > identified in transfer documents, a cemetery is not automatically sold > along with the rest of the property? This concept could have interesting > ramifications for my grandfather's burial site in New Kent County. >>

Sandra, I would suggest the Hanover Historical Society. Their address is P.O. Box 91, Hanover, VA 23069 or you can email Art Taylor at [email protected] Sheri P.S. I would love a copy of each!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Gentry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 12:38 PM Subject: [VAHANOVE] Old Hanover deeds > I have come into possession of quite a few deeds from the late 1800's and early 1900's for property in Hanover. Some of the names involved are James & Jane BOSHER, Charles A. EARNEST, Anthony GLASS, Robert KENT, Walter SYDNOR, Wm. P. & Lelia WATERS, Wm. R. & Mary E. ROBERTS, and Archibald B. TIMBERLAKE. These are mostly hand written documents and I'm not sure about some of the other names. > Could someone tell me what would be the best thing to do with these? I would like to transcribe them and post the info for the various lists but I'm not expert enough to be sure of all of the writing on some of them. I would be happy to make copies & get them to anyone interested. Please email me privately at [email protected] for copies. > > Sandra Heath GentryGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Charlotte, The way the VA laws/codes read now, the property owner has the rights to the cemetery. In the case with Pebble Creek, that cemetery was never sold nor adverse possession ever obtained by court order. The property owner, in the legal sense, is still the Sydnor family, however, the developer has still managed to build homes & put a street through property he doesn't own. I would suggest getting a copy of the plat of land & see if the cemetery is noted & who the property owner is now. Then go backwards & see if the cemetery portion of the land was ever sold along with the property or "excluded from sale" as was written in the deed for the Sydnor family graveyards. Sheri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte I Geier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery possession > Am I to understand from this discussion that unless specifically > identified in transfer documents, a cemetery is not automatically sold > along with the rest of the property? This concept could have interesting > ramifications for my grandfather's burial site in New Kent County. > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have come into possession of quite a few deeds from the late 1800's and early 1900's for property in Hanover. Some of the names involved are James & Jane BOSHER, Charles A. EARNEST, Anthony GLASS, Robert KENT, Walter SYDNOR, Wm. P. & Lelia WATERS, Wm. R. & Mary E. ROBERTS, and Archibald B. TIMBERLAKE. These are mostly hand written documents and I'm not sure about some of the other names. Could someone tell me what would be the best thing to do with these? I would like to transcribe them and post the info for the various lists but I'm not expert enough to be sure of all of the writing on some of them. I would be happy to make copies & get them to anyone interested. Please email me privately at [email protected] for copies. Sandra Heath GentryGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Am I to understand from this discussion that unless specifically identified in transfer documents, a cemetery is not automatically sold along with the rest of the property? This concept could have interesting ramifications for my grandfather's burial site in New Kent County. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

The only way I've been able to find that they "could" have obtained it would have been by "adverse possession", which requires a court order. That never happened. Sheri ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery Destruction > > [email protected] wrote: > > << One has to > > wonder how you can buy/sell property that was never owned by anyone but the > > family themselves. Just heartbreaking. >> > > Imminent domain, perhaps? That's how they do it around here. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sorry ... hit send before I typed earlier... I think this is a WONDERFUL idea!! In the meantime, you may be interested in reading up on this particular issue in Hanover Co http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/more/MGBJT0OLNZC.html or vist this website www.saveourriver.org Sheri ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery Destruction > In a message dated 4/5/2002 20:12:56 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << One has to wonder how you can buy/sell property that was never owned by > anyone but the > family themselves. Just heartbreaking. >> > > Absolutely right, Sheri....just ask any Virginia Indian. We know all about > having our lands sold by people who never owned them in the first place, and > having our cemeteries dug up. > This kind of situation horrifies Virginia Indians; this land should be > considered sacred. Who could imagine living in a house built where graves > were dug up, or in a house built on top of human remains? > If you want some additional political support for changing the laws in > Virginia about disturbing burial sites, you might try contacting the Virginia > Council on Indians, or the United Indians of Virginia, or the Virginia Indian > Tribal Alliance for Life, the political action group formed by six Virginia > Indian nations seeking federal recognition. Maybe we could help each other. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [VAHANOVE] Cemetery Destruction > In a message dated 4/5/2002 20:12:56 Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << One has to wonder how you can buy/sell property that was never owned by > anyone but the > family themselves. Just heartbreaking. >> > > Absolutely right, Sheri....just ask any Virginia Indian. We know all about > having our lands sold by people who never owned them in the first place, and > having our cemeteries dug up. > This kind of situation horrifies Virginia Indians; this land should be > considered sacred. Who could imagine living in a house built where graves > were dug up, or in a house built on top of human remains? > If you want some additional political support for changing the laws in > Virginia about disturbing burial sites, you might try contacting the Virginia > Council on Indians, or the United Indians of Virginia, or the Virginia Indian > Tribal Alliance for Life, the political action group formed by six Virginia > Indian nations seeking federal recognition. Maybe we could help each other. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 4/5/2002 20:12:56 Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << One has to wonder how you can buy/sell property that was never owned by anyone but the family themselves. Just heartbreaking. >> Absolutely right, Sheri....just ask any Virginia Indian. We know all about having our lands sold by people who never owned them in the first place, and having our cemeteries dug up. This kind of situation horrifies Virginia Indians; this land should be considered sacred. Who could imagine living in a house built where graves were dug up, or in a house built on top of human remains? If you want some additional political support for changing the laws in Virginia about disturbing burial sites, you might try contacting the Virginia Council on Indians, or the United Indians of Virginia, or the Virginia Indian Tribal Alliance for Life, the political action group formed by six Virginia Indian nations seeking federal recognition. Maybe we could help each other.