This is submitted for your opinions. Has anyone researching the Lucas family of Giles Co., VA been able to go back before Charles Lucas (b. abt. 1722, md Kathleen Kaywood)? When I began looking for my Lucas ancestors, I found some family information done by another reseacher (WFT Vol 7) which stated James Lucas b. in England in 1665 and md. Elinor ??. It listed 6 children, namely Elizabeth, James Jr., John, Ann, Edward, and Richard. John was the only one with further records which stated he was born June 10, 1692 in VA and md an unknown woman. Four children were listed for John: William, John Jr., Charles, and Forrester. Again only one child had further information and that was Charles who was listed as the husband of Kathleen Kaywood. The records go on through Charles and his descendents. *********************************************** To back up the the children by James and Elinor I have found this listing for the Charles Parish Records, York Co., VA 1648-1789 (found on Ancestry.com). Lucas Ann, dau. of James by Elinor, b. Aug. 2, 1697 Lucas Edward, (twin with Richard), son of James by Elinor, b. Jan. 26, 1700 Lucas Elizabeth, (twin with John), dau. of James by Elinor, b. June 10, 1692 Lucas James, son of James by Elinor, b. April 17, 1689 Lucas John, (twin with Elizabeth), son of James by Elinor, b. June 10, 1692 Lucas Richard, (twin with Edward), son of James by Elinor, b. Jan. 26, 1700 Three other Lucas listings that came up were: Lucas Edward, d. Feb. 11, 1700 Lucas James, d. April 5, 1705 Lucas Thomas, d. Feb. 27, 1703 At this point I don't have any clues if the Edward and James with death dates could be the same children listed above or the father. No idea on Thomas either. *************************************************** As for John and his four children, I remember reading that information in a book or online someplace. I will have to look through my notes and when I find the info again I will post that as well. ************************************************* Now, in a book with Lucas history which was written by another researcher, I found this: "Our first Lucas ancestor in America seems to be William Lucas of Saltashe Co., Cornwall England. A merchant in 1628 recorded as owner of the ship "Supply", which sailed to VA in Jan. 1625/26 (VA Mag. Vol. 15, page 318). On Aug. 16, 1644 provision was made by VA Council for Wm. Lucas and his family (minutes of the council, page 502) and Wm. Lucas was granted 800 acres in the Lower Norfolk Co., VA Aug. 22, 1647. William having married the relict (widow) of Caesar Huggett. THE LUCAS FAMILY OF SURRY CO, VA Wm. Lucas of Surry Co., VA (son of above Wm) was b. 1630 and wife Ann in 1629 according to their despositions June 3rd & 11th, 1659. Wm d. 1660/1661. Wm and Ann had a son, William Lucas and two daughters, one md to Abraham Harris and the other to the brother John Harris. Ann md 2nd to Robert Dennis and both Ann and Robert were dead by 1688. Wm Lucas, son of William and Ann was born 1654 according to his depostion of March 5, 1877/1878 (Wills & death, #2 page 183). Wm d. in Surry Co., VA in 1717. He had md abt 1680/1685 to Grace Beckwith, d/o Marmaduke & Maudlin (Creed) Beckwith. Grace died in Surry in 1720. Children of William and Grace include William, Charles, Ann, Elizabeth, Grace, Hannah, and Mary. (I found this will online which backs up the names of the children for William and Grace: Lucas, William To my son, William, the plantation where he now lives. To Ed Ellis line-300 acres and 2 Negroes, clothing, 1000 nails, goods when they come from England. To son Charles, all the rest of the land, three Negroes, bed, etc. Also goods sent for to England, etc. To Daniel Eelbank, all that he is indebted to me and bed where he lodges at my new dwelling house until he is married. To grandson William Lucas, 6 ells of dowles. To daughters Ann and Elizabeth, one shilling. To daughter Grace, pewter dishes, etc. To daughter Hannah, one Negro. To daughter Mary, pewter dishes. Makes wife Grace Lucas and son Charles execs. 1 October 1716 Prob. 18 December 1717 Wit. Daniel Belbank Henry Harrison Thos. Bentley Surry County, VA Listed as Mary in fathers will; listed as Martha in mother's will. Lucas, Grace To daughter Hannah, bed and chest. To daughter Martha, wearing clothes. To daughter Ann, geese. To Vallentine Williamson, sheep. To son Charles Lucas, one shilling. To son William Lucas, rest of estate. Daughters Ann, Grace, Hannah, and Elizabeth, the later very sick. If she died, Henry Briggs to have no part of my estate. Son Wm. Lucas and John Callier exec. 22 December 1719 (year listed in question) Prob. 17 February 1719 Wit. Thomas Cooke James Anderson Surry County, VA ************************************************** And last the family tree as given by the same researcher for the above information: William Lucas of Saltashe Co., Cornwall England came to VA Jan. 1625 wife: Widow of Caesar Huggett Son: William Lucas b. 1630 in Lower Norfolk Co., VA d. abt. 1660 in Surry wife: Ann (possibly Scarbough) 1629-bef. 1688 Two unknown daughters son: William Lucas b. 1654 Surry Co., VA d. 1717 Surry wife: Grace Beckwith d. 1719/1720 dau: Ann md Valentine Williamson dau: Grace dau: Hannah dau: Elizabeth b. abt. 1690 md Henry Briggs son: Charles son: William Lucas b. abt. 1688 Surry d. 1740 wife: Martha Johnson son: John son: William will probated Feb. 2, 1740 son: Samuel son: David son: Charles Lucas b. abt. 1722 wife: Kathleen Kaywood ********************************************* As if trying to straighten out Charles Lucas and all his descendents isn't enough, right! Anyhow, I'd love to hear some opinions as to whether or not any of the information might be accurate in the connection with Charles. Unfortunately I live in NV and we have a very small LDS library here that seems to carry very little about the areas I need to do research in so I've had to depend on the online resources and mailing lists for most of my information. If anyone can add anything to the above info, please do. I'm keeping notes on both. Who knows, maybe they will eventually connect:) Hope to hear from you soon. Lora