This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2971.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: No mention of an Alice RICHARDS married to John LEE in this article . It is a John RICHRARDS that married an Alice - maiden name unknown.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Richards Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2971.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: MJ Norton, I believe I may have connections to the John Lee and Alice Richards families-if their children are listed in Frederick County, (Shenandora Valley Pioneers by Cartnell), would you mind posting them or sending them to me. Thank you so much, Dee

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GORDON / KENDALL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/3079 Message Board Post: Does anyone know if the Western State Hospital still exists? I am not even sure where it is located, but presumed to be in Frederick County. If so, I would like an address, phone number and e-mail address to contact them. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/771.1.1 Message Board Post: Mr. Renner, I am descended from both the Renner's and Larrick's of Frederick County, VA, where I live. I would like to corresponde with you. Email me at ljwelsh@visuallink.com. Lucy Welsh

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/771.3 Message Board Post: I am descended from George and Barbara (Pitcock?) Renner, throught their son Isaac and Magdalena (Brill) Renner. I live in Frederick County, VA and have a great deal of information. Would love to corresponde with you. Email me at ljwelsh@visuallink.com.

Hi, I'm new to list and would like to ask your help in finding the parents names of Margaret Morgan, b July 2, 1797 in Frederick Co., VA. She married Abner Copeland abt 1815. He was b 1790 in NC. They lived and died in Auglaize Co., OH. On several Family Trees that I viewed, Margaret Morgan's parents are listed as John Morgan and Sarah unknown. Would like to learn if a John Morgan and Sarah ? are listed in the book, Frederick County Marriage Bonds 1773-1850. Appreciate any info of this Morgan family. Thank you. Julia

I'm looking for information (parents, siblings, anything) on Thomas K. Simpson. According to census records he was born around 1799 in Virginia. He lived in the Eastern District of Frederick County in 1830, and the 16th District in 1850. He married twice, both times in Fauquier County. First to Sinah Bailey in 1827, and second to Sophia Claggett in 1831. Thank you.

To All: I am researching the Harrell, Harrill, Harroll, Harrold etc. families of Frederick co and Northern Va./ MD. I would like to contact anyone who is interested in these families. Several lines of these families settled in Frederick and Augusta co. before 1750. I am especially interested in the lines of Hugh Harroll (any spelling) who died in 1743 in Frederick co. and Simon Harrell, who served in the Rev. War. All Information, Clues and Discussion Appreciated... Thanks, G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

I am searching for any information on Jacob Clevenger b ca 1774 and his wife, Elizabeth Krouse b ca 1786. They lived in Frederick County, VA. Who were their parents? Did they have children, and if so what were their names? Was Elizabeth Krouse, Jacob's first wife? Or had she been married before? I found an Elizabeth Clevenger, age 70 in the 1860 Frederick County census, living in Stephensburg area. She was listed as head of the household. Was this Jacob's widow? Any help with this puzzle would be most appreciated. Thanks, Sharon Wilcox wilcoxphoto@dmci.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/3073.1 Message Board Post: I searched "Frederick County Marriage Bonds" by Hackett & Good, and "Frederick County Marriages" by Vogt & Kethley, and didn't find anything close. That doesn't mean they weren't married in Frederick County though. They might have been married by a minister that didn't record it with the county. They may have been married in a nearby county - I checked Shenandoah, no luck, but possibly Warren County?? Or, they may have been married elsewhere - especially if one (usually bride, as she probably wouldn't go to him without being married) was from say Philadelphia or New York area. You might try church records if you have an idea of denomination. Handley Archives in WInchester may be of some help. Sorry I couldn't help, but didn't find them in the books.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1840.1 Message Board Post: I am looking for the names of John and Elizabeth's children and the dates of their birth.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/3077.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, but I already have all of what you posted. I am trying to find if there is definite proof that Jacob Grapes is Jacob Krebs. I think so, and I've seen many posting that other people do, too. I know that many times there is no definite proof, and assumptions have to be made. I don't want to assume unless I can find something beside common first names, and similiar birthdates. My current project on this line is tracing the land transactions backwords. I'm hoping that one spelling will be common between PA and VA. So far, I've gotten Grapes, Graps, Graves, Grips, and Gripes. Marriage records, death records, and baptisims haven't gotten me past Jacob, although there is extensive information on his descendants. I live in VA, so I am fairly local to the information. Easy access :-) I just am having a hard time with a couple of people due to poor documentation.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/3077.1 Message Board Post: Hope this can provide some clues.... Per "Historical Records of Old Frederick County, VA" by Dr. Wilmer Kerns p. 181 Quote Grapes, Mariah, daughter of Sylvanius Bennett, was born on July 25, 1807 and died on June 29, 1881. Her husband was John Grapes, according to Isaac Newton Grapes, who reported her death to the courthouse. Unquote p. 182 Quote Grapes, Newton, died on APril 4, 1878, aged 61 years, 10 months, and 27 days. He was the son of David and Harriet Grapes. Unquote p. 261 "Malick, Emsey, daughter of Aaron and Sarah Malick, was born in Hampshire County, Ca , on May 15, 1823 and died on AUg 11., 1862....... she married a Mr. Grapes of Hampshire COunty....Grapes children...Alonzo Calvetta Grapes...Betaora Virginia Grapes...Lydia Ann Grapes....Sarah E. Grapes..." p. 375 Section on William Wills. Mentions daughter Lillie Wills who married Robert Grapes. p. 329 Section on Henry Seevers "son of Casper Seevers... born July 25, 1768 in Penn, and died Feb 1, 1857..." "He married Hannah Grapes, born Oct. 22, 1772 in Frederick County, Va, and died Jan. 8, 1843. They married Dec 14., 1790 in Frederick County, VA., and were both buried in Mt. Hebron Cemetery in WInchester, VA. They had twelve children." Note: I have found staff at Mt. Hebron very helpful. YOu might contact them and ask for info - often it has more dates, cause of death, who owned plot, who is buried with/near them, etc. Mt. Hebron - 540-662-4868 p. 377 Section on Jacob Wolford. (1800-1874) "His wIfe was named Catherine Grapes." p. 24 Thomas Seevers listed as innkeeper, with Isaac Moore as bondsman, 1833 p. 25 Thomas Seevers listed as innkeeper, with Nathaniel Seevers as bondsman, 1834 p. 29 Henry Seevers, Jr. listed with constable bond of $500, May 15, 1820 ************** "Frederick County Marriage Bonds" by Hackett and Good p. 61 13 Dec 1803 Andrew Correll & Barbara Grapes, widow and relect of Abraham Grapes, decd. Bondsman, Nicholas Kern p 69 2 Feb 1807 Richard Russell & Sarah Grapes, daughter of Jacob Graves of Frederick County, the bondsman. (GRAPES/GRAVES as in book) p. 30 10 Sept 1800 Solomon Grapes & Elizabeth Switzer, daughter of Jacob Switzer, the bondsman, who signs in German. p. 139 8 Jun 1820 John Craps (Kreps) & Hannah Wright of Frederick County. Bondsman, Nathan Wright. ************** Per "Some Old Homes in Frederick County, VIrginia" by Garland Quarles p. 114-115 "The Grapes-Seevers-Clevenger House" called "High Banks" "Michael Feadley sold it to Jacob Grapes on October 14, 1790 (F.D.B. 24B - Page 20)" "...Order Book of 1788-89 - Page 511..." about opening a road to "Grapes Ford on the Opequon" "August term of 1788 Jacob Grapes is reported as serving ont he Frederick COunty Grand Jury....." "On December 14, 1790, Hannah Grapes, daughter of Jacob Grapes, was married to Henry Seevers; and in August of 1801 the "heirs and coheirs at law of Jacob Grapes deed" conveyed the property.... to Henry Seevers.... (F.D.B. 27 - Page 313)" "...March 27, 1851, the heirs of Henry Seevers, Sr. (Henry Seevers, Jr., Nathaniel Seevers, and B. Franklin Seevers) [sold property] (F.D.B. 79 - Page 167)" You may find other family members mentioned in the above documents. ********************** "Frederick County Marriage Bonds" by Hackett and Good p. 159 16 Jun 1823 Henry Seevers, Jnr & Elizabeth Shumate, Bondsman, Tilman Shumate ***************** "Frederick County Marriages" by Vogt & Kethley p. 203 Seever, Henry & Hannah Grapes, 14 Dec 1790, min Christian Streit (note - check Streits ministerial records) Seevers, Henry (Jr.) & Elizabeth Shunnie 19 Jun 1823, min Thomas Kennerly (note - difference in BOND vs MARRIAGE dates.) (again - check church records of Kennerly) p. 100 Grapes, Abraham & Barbara Clyne, 15 May 1792, min Christian Streit Grapes, David & Hannah Lemon, 19 Apr 1795, min Christian Streit Grapes, Solomon & Elizabeth Switzer, 10 Sept 1800, b. Jacob Switzer Grapes, Thomas & Jane Elizabeth McVickers, 1 Apr 1833; married in Frederick Cty., Md. p. 216 Grapes, Hannah - as above Grapes, Sarah & Richard Russell 2 Feb 1807; b - Jacob Grapes ******************** If you haven't checked the Handley Archives in Winchester - you might try there. They have some materials that seem to be related to the branch families, that may offer clues. *************** Also, many of the early settlers came for the counties surrounding Philadelphia - you might see if there is additional info there. Many have archives rooms, with original records available. *************** I'm not related, and have no further info. Good luck!

The following Estate Bonds are now online linked off of http://rootsweb.com/~vafreder/court.html they are also in the archives at http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/frederick/court/estate/ Joseph Wisent John Bayley Edward Rogers John Wineback James Loyd George Segler Bryan Dorins Peter Rafew Jane Richardson James Stephenson William Long Samuel Stansby Welde Robert Warth James Moore Joseph Langdon Matthew Jones Zachariah Pyles William Harry David Williams Samuel Larew Thanks tons to Chocy Brown. Alice Warner Frederick County VAGenweb CC and Archives CC http://embryproject.blogspot.com

To specify, now that I have gotten more than one response -- I didn't mean name and mailing address-- that was supposed to say EMAIL address. sorry about that-- Alice Alice Warner wrote: > Hello Lists! > > I have been extremely busy, including a 3.5 week long genealogy road > trip through VA, NC, KY, and a few other states briefly. > > I am now catching up on the huge backlog of submissions sent to me by > Chocy Brown. I uploaded these estate bonds (submitted on May 5) > today. I intend to get caught up by friday (but I keep making these > promises and failing to keep up-- I'm trying!!) > > These can be found on the Court page of the VAGenweb site for > Frederick County, available at http://rootsweb.com/~vafreder/court.html > and in the USGenweb Archives project in Frederick County, subfolder > "estate" in subfolder "court". > > Owen Williams > Frederick Fentenhilm > Thomas Wright > William Bean > John Johnston > Reuben Rutherford > John Harrow > Thomas Butler > Georger Fetheringall > William Brown > > > Thank you Chocy for your wonderful submissions (and I'm formatting > more to be uploaded now!) and thank you to everyone else who has been > supportive of the new site. > > I am also interested in creating a surname page for Frederick County, > where everyone can list what surnames they are researching, and it > will be all on one page so you can see the surnames you are > researching in the county and see if other people have registered them > as well. In order to do this though, I need everyone's cooperation in > sending me the surnames they are researching, along with their name > and address. > > I can be reached at EmbryProject@gmail.com. > > Alice Warner > http://embryproject.blogspot.com > http://rootsweb.com/~vafreder >

Hello Lists! I have been extremely busy, including a 3.5 week long genealogy road trip through VA, NC, KY, and a few other states briefly. I am now catching up on the huge backlog of submissions sent to me by Chocy Brown. I uploaded these estate bonds (submitted on May 5) today. I intend to get caught up by friday (but I keep making these promises and failing to keep up-- I'm trying!!) These can be found on the Court page of the VAGenweb site for Frederick County, available at http://rootsweb.com/~vafreder/court.html and in the USGenweb Archives project in Frederick County, subfolder "estate" in subfolder "court". Owen Williams Frederick Fentenhilm Thomas Wright William Bean John Johnston Reuben Rutherford John Harrow Thomas Butler Georger Fetheringall William Brown Thank you Chocy for your wonderful submissions (and I'm formatting more to be uploaded now!) and thank you to everyone else who has been supportive of the new site. I am also interested in creating a surname page for Frederick County, where everyone can list what surnames they are researching, and it will be all on one page so you can see the surnames you are researching in the county and see if other people have registered them as well. In order to do this though, I need everyone's cooperation in sending me the surnames they are researching, along with their name and address. I can be reached at EmbryProject@gmail.com. Alice Warner http://embryproject.blogspot.com http://rootsweb.com/~vafreder

Resident rescues family cemetery By Val Van Meter The Winchester Star -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FREDERICK COUNTY - A graveyard says a lot about humans and time. For Marvin Wharton, the old Carper family cemetery, southeast of Winchester, holds stories from the past. Ken Kovach has spent hours carefully trimming vines away from the old tombstones at the Carper family cemetery on land he purchased seven years ago. Kovach spent months reclaiming the cemetery from trees and brush. (Photo by Jeff Taylor) Ken Kovach, who has rescued it from the clutches of nature, is worried about its future. But where does its story begin? Kovach can show deeds recording William Carper's purchase of 65 acres of land along the north side of the Millwood Turnpike in 1852. Six years later, Carper added 60 adjoining acres to his holding. In 1866, a section of the land along the turnpike from Boyce to Winchester was cut off for a Methodist church, which was constructed a year later. In 1892, J. Scott Carper, a son of William Carper, deeded a half acre of the property for a cemetery. The deed stated that the descendants of William Carper and relatives of people buried in the cemetery would have a right of way to get to it. That may be a clue that the Carpers had offered burial plots to people outside the family. In the early 1980s, Marvin Wharton was working on family genealogy. Records reveal sad tales By Val Van Meter The Winchester Star -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frederick County - "There are sad stories associated with all cemeteries," said Ken Kovach. Kovach spent the winter months rescuing the Carper family cemetery from obscurity under layers of trees and underbrush. The impetus came from a visit last year from Marvin Wharton and Linda Martz, who were searching for ancestors buried there. Kovach, who had purchased the old Carper property in 1998, has learned a number of stories about those resting in the cemetery. One example is Mary Betty Wiley Whorley, who gave birth to twins in 1926. One twin died immediately, and the second a week later. The following week, Mary Betty joined them in the cemetery. These few facts have been preserved, but, Kovach noted, for most of the graves, not even a stone survives to tell a story. In fact, the cemetery itself was almost completely lost in underbrush until he began to clean it up. And, that, Kovach said, is a shame. He'd like to see volunteers create an organization to help people maintain their family cemeteries and perhaps reclaim some that are deteriorating. "We need a structured organization," Kovach said, which might include a surveyor, historian, someone with technical skills in computers, someone who knows plants and some willing workers to help in retrieving cemeteries, and any information they contain. Since family cemeteries are becoming a thing of the past, and because many of the family members who still try to keep up such burial grounds are unavoidably getting older, an organization which could help them would be appreciated, he said. "Nobody here is famous," he noted of the Carper cemetery he's plotted and preserved. "These are good, hardworking people. Maybe people who had bad luck." Such places might not have the romance of historic places like battlefields or the homes of the famous, but, he said, they are "hallowed places" none the less. Kovach believes that finding them, documenting them, preserving the information they contain would be a worthwhile project. He'd love to talk to others who feel the same way. The saddest story of all would be if all the family graveyards were lost. Contact Val Van Meter at vvanmeter@winchesterstar.com. "Those people become alive," he said, as you learn more about them. He explored the old Carpers Valley church but couldn't find any burial site there. In hope, he slid a note under the locked door, asking for information. A month later, he was rendezvousing with a resident of Sulphur Springs Road, Annie Shaffer, then in her 80s. She took Wharton to see the old Carper family cemetery, where several of his distant relatives, Wileys and Shaffers, were buried. Shaffer was a daughter of George William Wiley, who was also buried there. When Wharton, who was born in Middleburg but lived in Texas and Idaho, moved back to Virginia in 1989, one of the things he wanted to do was to place markers on the unmarked graves of some of the ancestors he had located. "Unfortunately, I didn't get to this one, before I decided to leave Virginia again," to live closer to grown children in Utah. However, another cousin, Linda Martz of Middleburg, also became interested in genealogy. Last year, Wharton took her to Carpers Valley Road to show her the cemetery. They couldn't find it, until they met Kovach. He led them up the new road to the cemetery, which was overgrown with trees, fox grape and creeper. A pine tree had crashed into the burial ground and the wire fence setting it off was collapsing amongst the brush. Kovach and his wife had purchased 102 acres, containing the cemetery, in 1998, from J. Scott Carper's daughter-in-law. The old deed, mentioning the cemetery, was found and the burial plot was platted and set aside. Kovach recorded an access to the cemetery from the new Kenny Lane constructed to serve six lots carved from the old Carper property. Building a road, their own home and planting thousands of loblolly pines had kept the Kovaches busy for seven years. Then, last November, Kovach took a walk back to the burial plot and looked it over. Another pine had fallen into it. A maple was pushing a headstone over. Others were toppled. Graves appeared as sunken spots. "For seven years, I said I wanted to clean up the cemetery," Kovach explained. "I suddenly got an adrenaline rush and the thing on the bottom of my 'to do list' was now on the top." Through last winter, Kovach dedicated Sunday afternoons to the effort. Winter is the best time to clean up a cemetery, he said. No snakes, bees, ticks, or bugs. Drafting his wife to help, he removed six large trailer loads of brush and fallen trees. They raked the area to clear years of leaves. Marvin Wharton canvassed his extended family to raise the funds to purchase a tombstone to commemorate family members who were buried in the Carper family cemetery. He returned to the area this summer to take care of the project. (Photo Provided by Marvin Wharton) Kovach used a metal detector to locate the remains of rusted funeral home markers. He sketched, photographed, and charted the more than 50 graves that seemed apparent on the ground's surface. Some had stone markers of varying sorts. Some inscriptions could still be read. Some graves appeared only as depressions on the ground's surface. Kovach believes there may have been six rows of graves, with perhaps 10 graves in each row. It appears that most people were buried facing toward the east, he said. There may have been head and foot stones at each grave, although only a few remain. Grave stones that have inscriptions have them on the west side, he noted. Some graves are only marked by "field stones," blank pieces of rock of various sizes. But on one field stone, someone laboriously etched three initials and dates of 1864 and 1884. The two 4's are reversed. The latest date on a tombstone appears to be 1936. When Martz came back in February to attempt some cleanup, she was amazed. It was done. She contacted Wharton in Utah, and he, in turn, solicited donations from the descendants of Wileys and Shaffers and Martzes (his own great-grandfather) he knew, to purchase a stone marker for the six family members known to be buried there. Landowner Ken Kovach, who spent the winter months reclaiming the plots from trees and underbrush, believes the Carpers allowed other members of the local church to bury their dead here. An old deed gives the families of those buried in the cemetery access across Carper's land. Some graves have incised tombstones, others just hunks of limestone, some nothing at all. (Photo by Jeff Taylor) "We don't know who is buried where, but we do know they are somewhere in . . . the last row on the far west side of the . . . cemetery," Kovach reported. For that reason, Wharton said, it was decided to put all the names, and birth and death dates where known, on a single stone at the center of the row. Were the Wileys and Shaffers related to the Carpers? Perhaps not. Kovach thinks that the Carpers allowed members of the Carpers Valley church to be buried in their family cemetery. It may have been a question of finances, he said. The church sits in a hollow, against a wet-weather stream and has no room for a cemetery of its own. In May, Wharton returned to oversee the installation of the stone. Putting faces to the names, Ken Kovach holds a page of pictures, located by Marvin Wharton, to match the names on the newly-installed tombstone at the Carper family cemetery. Wharton's maternal great-grandfather is buried there. (Photo by Jeff Taylor) The project "took 20 years," said Wharton, who had previously been successful in installing a marker for an ancestor who was wounded at the Revolutionary War battle of Yorktown. He noted that, in addition to other relatives who donated funds for the marker, and Martz, he was assisted by a local genealogist, Beulah Astle and a surviving relative in Winchester, Pearl Dalsig. As for Kovach, Wharton said, "He's taken a special interest," in the old cemetery. "He's was very kind." Contact Val Van Meter at vvanmeter@winchesterstar.com SOURCE= http://www.winchesterstar.com/TheWinchesterStar/060812/Life_cemetery.asp

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2900.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Darrell, Thanks for the message. Sherill and I met online a couple of months ago, right after I found the death certificate for Delmer. I had some family notes about Lora Belle. It pulled together some pieces for me on my grandfathers first wife. I was able to fill her in on the rest of Delmers life. I would love to see the photo sometime. Hope all is well. Linda

please ,does anyone have correct parents for Lucy LUCIA ANN TALIAFERRO born April 24, 1832 suposedly in Orange County,VA married 1847 William Isaac cale born December 13, 1825 Augusta County,VA both died in Lakin,Kearny County,KS ? im trying to help a cousin with this also because wrong info is on the internet for who the parents are. any clues will be apreciated http://www.geocities.com/pifox1/index.html D.L.M.F