This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768 Message Board Post: Hi, Joyce. I am working on the descendants of the John Willson/Wilson who died in Berkeley County, VA in 1783 and I am focusing now on Mary Marquis. Many of us are having a lot of trouble identifying the wives of John Willson/Wilson. I am hoping that you have some documentation showing that this John Willson/Wilson is the same one who came to America from County Argmagh, Ireland in 1737. What I am thinking now is that Mary Marquis was indeed John's first wife and that they were not married long. She may have died in childbirth about 1742. John's second wife may have been Eleanor Van Metre and his third wife, Jane, is the one who is listed in his 1783 will. It it interesting to note that John had a daughter named Eleanor and his son, James Wilson (who married Jane Baldwin), had a daughter named Mary V. Wilson and another daughter named Jane Wilson. It is possible that Mary's middle initial stands for Van Metre, but that is just speculation on my part (it may also stand for Vance as this name may be connected somehow). I also believe that John's other son, Edward Wilson Sr., may have had four daughters named Eleanor, Mary, Jane and Susannah. John's other son, Jacob, also had a daughter named Eleanor. Another daughter of John was named named Mary Jane Wilson (who married John Jones). I am wondering if Mary Marquis' middle name could have been Jane. Researcher LaVelda Faull was kind enough to send me the following information: In trying to determine the name of the first wife of John Wilson, the following statements were made in a paper by Crockett Allen Harrison in 1980 (copy at the public library in Winchester, Clark Co., Ky): "A plausible assumption as to her identity can be made. Correspondence and notes of Christene Bergen, a tireless genealogist and record searcher of Berkeley County have been preserved in sixteen large bound volumes that are filed in the office of the County Surveyor of Berkeley County, West Virginia. A Mrs. Ruth A. Dillon who was a native of the area but whose correspondence came from California offered the opinion that the first wife of John Wilson was Eleanor Van Metre. There was such a family in the area, one of the very first in fact, and they had a large land grant in the immediate area of the land of John Wilson. Records of the second wife of John Wilson selling Van Metre land long after the death of her husband have been found. In one letter Mrs. Dillon who was a Wilson descendent, but not of John Wilson, had this to say, 'I only searched the three sons of the first wife - EDWARD had a wife JANE, WILLIAM had a wife JANE (she was a Duncan) but I forget the name of the wife of JAMES. At the time of JOHN WILSON's death, his daughter ELEANOR by his first wife was dead. I have boxes of material on these lines.' The last correspondence with Mrs. Dillon was in the 1960's and the letter I addressed to her was returned. Her files are probably in a library in San Diego or with some family member but I have made no effort as yet to locate them. I just hope that they are as well preserved as the Christene Bergen files." (Lavelda has done a lot of research on John's son, Edward Wilson). If John came to America about 1737 and if Mary Marquis died during childbirth in 1742, then it is certainly possible that they did not have any previous children during this time period. On the other hand, the information I have states that John's son Edward Sr. may have been b. about 1738 in Berkeley County, VA. But I think most or all of these dates are fuzzy. I hope you receive this e-mail as it has been several years since you posted your inquiry. I would be very interested in knowing if you have obtained additional information since then. I would very much like to hear from you and/or other posters out there (such as the Sarge) who may be able to shed some light on this mystery. Please feel free to e-mail me directly. Best regards, Rob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2373.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Excellent info. Thanks so much. I am attempting to collect birth/marriage/death certificates to verify the info I have. Now that I have found the VA county from which William Roe and Basheba Catlett emigrated to Ohio, hopefully I will be able to obtain these documents. Do you know if there are any photos of either family family? Would William Roe's father be listed on this document? Joyce Roe Flaugher

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson, (2), Willison/Willson, White (2), Briggs (2), Moorehead all spellings (Muirhead Clan), Stubbs, Maddock/s, Spencer, Bright, Brock (2), Carrothers/Carrouthers, Crabtree, Davis, Davidson, Engle, Ford, Ferrell, Gray, Larrison, Moore, Miller, North,etc Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1766.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Darrell: James Wilson; son/o James and Sarah (BROCK) Wilson, I would be a GGrandNephew of James and Sarah (Carrothers) Wilson, and were married in Harrison Co, Oh (1845). And Yes, I don't or did never have a Marriage for Nancy, she was listed as companion, (ref info fr My relation's in Cadiz Oh. Moorefield Cem, is where alot of them are buried, and I have alot of Pictures, plus other Surnames that married into Wilson Family. It consists, of another WILSON, and WILLSON/WILLISON, Families, that were in same are Moorefield Twp, before Ohio became State, and their connected, also since My Benjamin Wilson b 1808 marr Catherine CRABTREE, whose line's back to DEMOSS/DUMAS. I would like to clear Up some of this info, if You would share I'll do the same, and even more, since I do this for Everyone (Elder's, and Teen's that I Teach the Basic's (Genealogy). Let Me know? Regards: A Cousin ""Always remember, TREAT The One With WHOM Your Speaking To With RESPECT, For One Never Knows; That Same Person May Very WELL Turn Out To Be A Long LOST Relative"" (93) The Sarge G D Wilson PO Box 476 Cambridge, Oh 43725-0476 e-mail: [email protected] ""Honor and Courage""

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1766.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: I am still looking for more information on Nancy Wilson's parents. She was the common law wife of John G. Corathers-etc. Thanks Sarg

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/566.975 Message Board Post: James Adams McCool is in my grandmother's line. I have his father as John McCool who was born abt 1675 in Northern Ireland; died July 2, 1729 in Toberhead, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. He married Olivia abt 1695 in Ireland. I have more information and am willing to share if you are interested - [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2678.2.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: The Frederick County Courthouse and records are in Winchester, VA It is located at 107 N. Kent Street County Courthouse Winchester, VA 22601-5039 Phone: (540)665-5600 Fax: (540)667-0370 The general county site is: http://www.co.frederick.va.us/ The Clerk of Courts is: 5 North Kent Street Winchester, VA 22601 http://www.co.frederick.va.us/courts/clerkcircuit.htm -or- http://www.winfredclerk.com/ ************** Both are in the same place really, and there is a parking garage right next door. If memory serves, the Handley Archives is just a few blocks (5?) away - definitely walking distance. ************** The Handley Archives are also in Winchester: http://www.hrl.lib.state.va.us/handley/about.asp?p=27 mailing address: Stewart Bell Jr. Archives Room Handley Regional Library Winchester-Frederick County Historical Society P.O. Box 58, Winchester, VA 22604 (540) 662-9041, fax (540) 722-4769 Street Address: Handley Library 100 W. Piccadilly St. Winchester, VA 22601 Phone Numbers: Phone: (540) 662-9041 Fax: (540) 722-4769 Email Contacts: email: [email protected] Hours: Monday - Wednesday 10 a.m. - 8 p.m. Thursday - Saturday 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. Sunday 1 p.m. - 5 p.m. Check their hours begore you go, they are not always open on some days. I have had good luck with Handley through e-mail, but be specific on who you want & what you are looking for. I found an obit I needed on their site, e-mailed for info, and for $1, I got it. I thought that more than fair, considering copy and mailing costs. I do know someone that asked for "John Smith" and got a lot - but not HER "John Smith", so again, be specific. They do ask for small donations, (probably tax deductible in most states), and I'm always glad to do it. You can also use Google (the search engine) to search on people and places. It helps to locate courthouses, archives, clerk of courts, records, etc. It takes a little practice, but you can find lots of info that way also. You can use a variation of spellings and combinations to search. I did a search on a name, and found a personal web page, and located another branch that way! Also, try to find origional documents if you can - a postmark can lead you to a place, and you might find records there (I did, along with a "lost" branch...). Details in a records can pinpoint other things as well. You might not know who signed a letter "Mary" - but details in the letter might help determine who Mary is. I had a letter where the man wrote his wife had been ill for the past few weeks, and 7 months later, my other records showed she gave birth to twins! I have a strong suspician why she had been ill! I ask connections for copies of any papers, not just gleaned information. Recently, I was able to look at origionals and found names that confirmed family ties, but since they had not been recognized by the owner of the document, they never shared those names with me before. Don't forget to document where you get information as well. It will help to know how reliable it is as you go further along and possibly get conflicting information. It will also help to know what records you have already searched. When I search records, I try to photocopy as much as possible - and decipher it later. It can help to plan 2 full days - one to get initial copies, then that evening, go through them & see where they lead you. The second day, follow up on the leads from the first day, and and new ones. Copying this way makes it much faster. If you have a helper (often a spouse or teen child that comes along for the trip) to just make copies for you, it is great! Searching in person lets you follow up on leads you find during the search. Good luck!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2678.2.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Thank you so very much for your detailed information! Where is the courthouse in Frederick Co? I greatly appreciate your generous sharing of knowledge. Cathryn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2678.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you, I would have never figured that out. You are so kind. Cindy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2678.2.1.1 Message Board Post: ODB is an abbreviation for "Order Deed Book" (special kinds of deeds - like grants) FWB is for "Frederick Will Book" (wills) FDB is "Frederick Deed Book" (usually regular deeds) The records are in books according to type of information is in them - wills, deeds, probates, etc. The books within each category are numbered, and then a page is identified. For instance, FWB 3, p. 40 would be the "will book number 3", and the item on "page 40". Most transcriptions use this kind of shorthand to identify where the official record is found, regardless of county or state. What you will find in these books is the court written record - not the actual deed. Some, as in Frederick county, have been typed at some later date. I know the birth record book is a typed one, and has some errors due to transcriptions. Some counties have "archive rooms" where you can use the information in the books to locate the actual records - complete with signatures. This might be in the person's handwriting, as opposed to the court clerks. It might have signatures and seals on it as well. The court records have lots of various books - and lots of information can be gleaned from those books. A deed book will show when a person owned land, where it was (although the "red oak" and "pine grove" may no longer be standing :-) These land records often explain family relationships, and give a good idea of how they lived. They can show when buildings were added, etc. Order books have lots of information - usually someone is settling some matter in a legal way. Maybe a sale, or a disagreement. I found a mother in law suing a daughter in law (of her deceased son) for support. In this matter, a child, unknown before, was found. It also gave me a rather unpleasant view of the mother in law! One interesting book is an "Orphan court book". When a father of minor children died, even if his wife was alive, his minor children might be considered "orphans". Often a male (usually a relative) would be assigned guardianship, even it the mother was still alive. These records can be especially helpful in identifying children & ages. An abstract is a small written piece that tells the book & page, and names mentioned, but no details. There are lots of books of abstracts, and they are very helpful to find a particular person or relationship. You can then use that information to locate the actual court record, and then possibly the origional record. Some counties have the origionals on microfilm, so, while you can't see the actual document, you can view the microfilm/microfiche, and make copies from that. Estate probates have more helpful information. They might have all people that might have an interest in the estate, their relationship to the deceased, and their location. If there is an estate sale, you might find items described that give a picture of their life as well. Even the people that purchase items can give you clues. In the records above, I gave the information that is recorded in books I have, since the person searching can write and ask for specific records, saving time and money. Some people might be willing, with that information, to search the books and make copies (usually 25 cents) and mail them at cost, as opposed to having a researcher do it, usually costing much more. If the courthouse has to look up the book, etc, they might charge a fee for that as well. It can be overwhelming at first to see all of the books in the courthouse, and every county handles their records a bit differently. Sometimes the county has a historical society, and you can find lots of info there as well. They usually have family histories there, as well as historical information on the area. Good luck!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Eddy and Mason Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2679 Message Board Post: I am looking for guardianship papers where Thomas Eddy was made guardian of Nancy Mason sometime between 1800 and 1825. If anyone can help I would be very grateful. Please respond to [email protected] Thank you

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2669.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Wow! Chuck, I had no idea. So as long as you have not forgotten, I can wait until you are back on your feet. Dick

Several years ago, I found the will of James Harroll in the Washington co., Va. records and learned that he willed land to sons James and Robert and to daughter Mary. I found a deed by which James III, son of James II, sold his land to my ggggrandfather but could not find a records of Robert disposing of his land. Much later, in the loose papers found in the courthouse, I found records of the land being sold for taxes, the deed was signed by the Sheriff. Robert Herrell (Harroll) had moved to KY before his father died in 1796 and never returned to claim the land or did not know it was being sold for taxes. I did not find a deed to James II or James III, only the deed made when he sold it. This taught me something, look for tax sales when tracing old land titles, such sales were quite common when people died and their children had moved west. G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2669.1.3.1 Message Board Post: I was bitten by a brown recluse spider on or about july 9. I had to have surgery to remove the venom last week. A rather large piece was removed from my shoulder. I am behind as I have been out of work for a week. I will try to get to it as soon as possible. Sorry, Chuck

1. The recipients didn't have to have deeds to inherited land. The fact that it passed by will, or was ordered by chancery, is sufficient. Does the division show up in the land tax records, post 1840? 2. You may have to work the deeds back in time. Find out how the deceased came into possession of the property. 3. Were the daughters married at the time of the division? Have you searched under their married names? Was a chancery suit filed to create the division? Who were the parties involved? Have your researched their connections to the family of interest? 4. Another approach is to plat the neighborhood. Since you already have a plat of the division, put those pieces together and start working out from them. Ideally, you would plat the adjoining properties, as in concentric circles, going out until you find a land mark to which one piece of property can be attached. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CGRS "Document what you find, listen to what you are told, and especially, love and respect your work." John Morris CGRS is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. Eugene McInturff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Estate Division question > Frederick County Chancery Court appointed a committee to divide the real > estate of a deceased person in the mid 1840's. This was accomplished > and a drawing/plat was made (and included in the court records) of the > several sections awarded to several persons. > > I'm attempting to find out who owns the land today but cannot find, in > the index of deeds, any listing or reference to those persons to whom > the property was given in the division, nor is there a grantee or > grantor listing of the receipants or of the deceased for this land. > > Suggestions as to where/how to find/trace ownership of the land will be > greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance..........Eugene > > ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2669.1.3 Message Board Post: Charles, I was wondering if you had a chance to make the scan of the Loy Coat of Arms for me yet? My email is [email protected] Thanks, Dick

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2678.2 Message Board Post: According to "Some Old Homes in Frederick County, Virginia", by Garland Quarles p. 271-273 Quarles quotes Dr. William Henry Foote, DD., a Presbyterian minister (note the Opequon Church is Presby..) Apparently, Mary Marcus/Marquis' stone is the oldest monumental stone in the valley. On one side has Mary & 2 children, the other that they were from Ireland 1737. Grants by Hite to Robert Wilson May 5, 1740 (ODB 4, p. 14) and to Thomas WIlson (ODB 1, p. 442) It is thought that John WIlson aquired some of this land. His will, probated April 7, 1762, John devised his land to James Marquis & William Marquis. (FWB 3, p. 40) One provision was that James Marquis should change his name to Wilson Marquis. This book states the assumption that John never remarried after his wife's death, and no children other than the 2 buried with her. Also that James and William Marquis were Mary's brothers. Highly unlikely that he would have left property to anyone other than a child of his own, and had someone change their name to his if he had children of his own. Tradition says he was a schoolmaster. This contradicts your information that he had many children, but you can check with Frederick County for copies of the wills and probates of such, using the above will & deed books & pages. "Shenandoah Vlaley Pioneers and Their Descendants" by T. K. Cartmell p. 169 also references Mary's stone & Dr. Foote's "Sketches of Virginia" that John Wilson carved the stone himself. It would seem that he stayed on this land until his death in about 1762.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson/Weekley/Weakley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2678.1 Message Board Post: Cathryn; I have no info on this Wilson, but I understand there were several Wilson families in that area, all probably connected if we can get all of the pieces. My ancestor is Edward who was born ca 1738 in VA. His wife's name was Anna. They moved to Ohio and are buried in the Drumm Cemetery in Muskingum Co., OH. My web page is http://home.comcast.net/~wjp1949/home.html Walt

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2677.1 Message Board Post: 1870 3 Ash (not in same households) appear. John 53 in Opequon, Home of William Whittingdon Mortimer 18 in Winchester, with John & Mary Newman and Virginia 18, in New Town with Elisha & Mary McLeod No Ash in 1860 census 1850 2 households George H. 29, District 16, Frederick County with Eveline M. 33, Mary E. 6, and Amanda V. 1. John H., 38 and Elizabeth, 78 together 1840 has Elizabeth Ash. The 3 names you list all appear in the 1830 census. I've included the info in case others may be looking for the same info. William T. & George B. in the Eastern District, and Elizabeth in the Western District. William has 2 males, 20-30, and 1 female 15-20 George has 1 male 5-10, 1 male 20-30, 1 female 15-20 Elizabeth has males age females 1 -- 0-5 -- 1 1 -- 5-10 -- 1 1 -- 10-15 -- 0 0 -- 15-20 -- 1 1 -- 20-30 -- 0 0 -- 30-40 -- 1 0 -- 40-50 -- 0 0 -- 50-60 -- 1 In 1820, Francis and George (separate households) are in Stephensburg, Frederick Co,.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson, Willson, Marquis, Marchs Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2678 Message Board Post: I know there has been alot of communication in the past about these names. But could I please ask for information on John Wilson, who apparently immigrated in 1737, whose wife Mary Marcus is buried in Opequon Church. Does anyone have a list of his (many) children and of his probated will? Do we know where he went from Frederick and where he died? Any infomation would be most appreciated! I am newly following up leads to this line--I believe there may be a connection to my ggggrandfather Marcus Wilson born 1795 in Montgomery Co VA. Thanks in advance!