This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fritz, Wilson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.2 Message Board Post: Hi Rob, I believe Darrell is correct in saying that Mary Marquis was not the wife of John Wilson/Willson of Berkeley Co. VA / WVA. So far I believe John Wilson had two wives, the 1st being Jean Unknown, died abt. 1775, and Jane Unknown who was mentioned in John's will of 1783 in Berkeley Co. VA / WVA. Do not have the source of the before mentioned info but have a copy of paper that cites both names of John's wife ( a Fritz researcher sent me a copy, but was negligent in copying the source name from the library). I have alot of info on Jacob Wilson the s/o John and Jean Wilson. Joyce

Rob, for your information and assistance, I copy below my notes for the John WILSON who m my aunt Mary MARQUIS. I have seen no evidence or suggestions but that this John WILSON arr Opoequon area 1737, m Mary MARQUIS ca 1740 and had 2 ch, Mary & ch d 1742 Opequon and bur Opequon Preaby Cem, owned land there in 1746, 56, & in his 1762 will Frederick Co, VA where he left opequon land to MARQUIS relatives and is bur 1762 next to wf Mary & ch. During this period he is referred to in several writings as "The School Teacher of Opequon". Do you see a hole in this continuity or which of the below citations apply to your gf John WILSON. What citations do you have for your gf John WILSON's stay in Opequon? Have you found any notations of any other marriages for any John WILSON at Opequon during this 1737-1762 period? Hal McCawley of CA, a descendant of the MARQUIS of Opequon. RELATIVES??: 4 Jan 2002 Chas Crickman writes: "There was a Robert Willson/Wilson who settled east of the church ca 1740, also a Thomas Wilson also in 1740 south of the church. From Cartmell's History it is stated: 'It appears that Robert Willson a brother [of John] came at the same time and settled on his plat of ground near the railroad station at Kernstown [written ca 1908]; erected a stone and log dwelling combined; lived there and reared a family, who intermarried with the Glass and McDowell families. The Willson family removed to Kentucky and Tennessee.' I see no reference to Thomas. John came in 1737 per his gravestone. Quoting from the biography in History of Washington Co, Pa: ³William Marquis and his wife, Margaret, with their children, Thomas and Mary, came to America from the north of Ireland in 1720, and first settled near Winchester, Va. The daughter, Mary married John Willson, but died shortly thereafter². Mary was born about 1720 (age 22 at death in 1742) so Mary was an infant if they arrived in the US in 1720 and the Marquis' certainly didn't "first settle" in Opequon that early. It appears John met and married Mary at Opequon soon after arriving in 1736 to have two children before her death in 1742??" There is another John WILLSON of the same era of Frederick Co that went on to KY and OH. He is the ancestor of researcher Betsy Earley, 6429 Winding Tree Dr, New Carlisle, OH 45344 <[email protected]> !RESIDENCE: William MARQUIS and Margaret COLVILL along with John Wilson & Mary MARQUIS listed among first generation of Opequon Settlers arriving in the 1730s . "The VA Magazine of Hist & Bio" Vol 98/3, July 1990 P-432. RESIDENCE/RELATIVES: The Orange county records contain grants by Hite to Robert Wilson on May 5, 1740 (O.D.B. 4 - Page 14) and on February 17, 1736, to Thomas Wilson (O.D.B. 1 -Page 442), both of which grants were in the Kernstown area; and it is our belief that John Wilson acquired a part of this land. !BUSINESS: 26 Aug 1742 John WILSON was granted license to keep ordinary at his house. "Orange Co Road Orders 1734-49" by Ann Brush Miller 1984 !CEMETERY: John Willson, his wife Mary Marcus (who died in 1742 at the age of 22 years) and their two children are buried in the Old Opequon church cemetery. The reverse side of the Tombstone is engraved "From Ireland July 6th 1737" (Some Old Homes of Frederick County, Virginia, by Garland Quarles, p. 310, quoting Reverend William Henry Foote D.D. "Sketches of Virginia - Second Series, p. 20 (1835).) !TAX LIST: 1744 Tax List for Old Frederick Co, VA lists John Wilson 250#. !WILL: Frederick Co, VA WB 3/40 dated 20 Feb 1762 and proved 7 Apr 1762, wills half of land to each of bros James & Wm MARQUIS, bond interests to minors John & Thomas MARQUIS & their unnamed sisters. (all believed to be ch of his BIL Thomas MARQUIS & wf Mary COLVILLE (both deceased). Exec: Samuel Colville, Jr. wit: Samuel Vance, John Beckett, Hugh Brown, Samuel Beckett. !LAND: "VA No Neck Land Grants, Vol II 1742-1775" by Gray lists abstract of grant H-705 of 16 Oct 1756 survey of John WILSON & Thomas MARQUIS' 586A as 'adj to Operquon Cr & Marquis spring house, Gab'l Jones, John Harrow, Stephen Hossifell, Robert Wilson, Geo Hoge, and Lewis Stephen's Rd', BUT Joyner's "Abs of VA No Neck Warr..." Vol II claims the tract is 'near Opequon adj Wm Hoge Sr, John Bullaugh, Gab Jones, John Harrow, Stephen Hosifall, Robt Wilson, Geo Hogg. Calvin's patent", while O'Dell's "Pion of Old Fred Co" claims the tract is on the E side of Opequon, bounded by Jones Rd on S & W, and Apple Valley Rd from Middle Rd runs to the E of Property??? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:52 PM Subject: [VAFREDER] Re: John Willson/Wilson > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1 768 > > Message Board Post: > > Hi, Joyce. I am working on the descendants of the John Willson/Wilson who died in Berkeley County, VA in 1783 and I am focusing now on Mary Marquis. Many of us are having a lot of trouble identifying the wives of John Willson/Wilson. > > I am hoping that you have some documentation showing that this John Willson/Wilson is the same one who came to America from County Argmagh, Ireland in 1737. What I am thinking now is that Mary Marquis was indeed John's first wife and that they were not married long. She may have died in childbirth about 1742. John's second wife may have been Eleanor Van Metre and his third wife, Jane, is the one who is listed in his 1783 will. > > It it interesting to note that John had a daughter named Eleanor and his son, James Wilson (who married Jane Baldwin), had a daughter named Mary V. Wilson and another daughter named Jane Wilson. It is possible that Mary's middle initial stands for Van Metre, but that is just speculation on my part (it may also stand for Vance as this name may be connected somehow). > > I also believe that John's other son, Edward Wilson Sr., may have had four daughters named Eleanor, Mary, Jane and Susannah. John's other son, Jacob, also had a daughter named Eleanor. Another daughter of John was named named Mary Jane Wilson (who married John Jones). I am wondering if Mary Marquis' middle name could have been Jane. > > Researcher LaVelda Faull was kind enough to send me the following information: > > In trying to determine the name of the first wife of John Wilson, the following statements were made in a paper by Crockett Allen Harrison in 1980 (copy at the public library in Winchester, Clark Co., Ky): > > "A plausible assumption as to her identity can be made. Correspondence and notes of Christene Bergen, a tireless genealogist and record searcher of Berkeley County have been preserved in sixteen large bound volumes that are filed in the office of the County Surveyor of Berkeley County, West > Virginia. A Mrs. Ruth A. Dillon who was a native of the area but whose correspondence came from California offered the opinion that the first wife of John Wilson was Eleanor Van Metre. There was such a family in the area, one of the very first in fact, and they had a large land grant in the immediate area of the land of John Wilson. Records of the second wife of John Wilson selling Van Metre land long after the death of her husband have been found. > > In one letter Mrs. Dillon who was a Wilson descendent, but not of John Wilson, had this to say, 'I only searched the three sons of the first wife - EDWARD had a wife JANE, WILLIAM had a wife JANE (she was a Duncan) but I forget the name of the wife of JAMES. At the time of JOHN WILSON's death, his daughter ELEANOR by his first wife was dead. I have boxes of material on these lines.' The last correspondence with Mrs. Dillon was in the 1960's and the letter I addressed to her was returned. Her files are probably in a library in San Diego or with some family member but I have made no effort as yet to locate them. I just hope that they are as well preserved as the Christene Bergen files." > > (Lavelda has done a lot of research on John's son, Edward Wilson). > > If John came to America about 1737 and if Mary Marquis died during childbirth in 1742, then it is certainly possible that they did not have any previous children during this time period. On the other hand, the information I have states that John's son Edward Sr. may have been b. about 1738 in Berkeley County, VA. But I think most or all of these dates are fuzzy. > > I hope you receive this e-mail as it has been several years since you posted your inquiry. I would be very interested in knowing if you have obtained additional information since then. I would very much like to hear from you and/or other posters out there (such as the Sarge) who may be able to shed some light on this mystery. Please feel free to e-mail me directly. > > Best regards, > Rob > > > > ==== VAFREDER Mailing List ==== > FREDERICK COUNTY UNSUBSCRIPTION DIRECTIONS > [email protected] UNSUBSCRIBE (as subject) > [email protected] UNSUBSCRIBE (as subject) >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Darrell. The problem is that many people on the internet are associating the Mary Marquis who died in 1742 with John Willson/Wilson who died in Berkeley County, VA in 1783. If you have any info you can share about the other Marquis family (i.e., if there was a daughter named Mary), that would be very helpful. Thanks, Rob P.S. Sarge, thanks for your comments as well!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.1.1.2 Message Board Post: John Wilsons are like John Groves the only thing worse would have been if their surnames were Smith or Jones. I had isolated the information I sent you because there is confusion as to wheather were two non related Marquis/Marquess families in Frederick Co at the same time. I believe they are the same family, but until I can get some proof, I have not connected them.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: I found a Groves in one of the early census that was located in Marshall County, Wheeling, WV. He could have easily have been one my wife's line or mine. They were both located a short distance from what is now US 40.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sarg, there are at least 3 Groves families that migrated to Ohio. They may have all been connected at one time, but no one has connected them yet. There are the Augusta/Nicholas Co., VA/WV family which settled near Summersville, Nicholas Co., now WV. This line claims to be of English descent. My wife's line that settled in Monongalia/Preston Co. VA/WV and Garrett Co., MD and located only about 30 miles from my family who were originally in Winchester, Frederick Co., VA. and moved to western part of the county which evolved into Hampshire/Hardy/Grant (WV). One family remained in Hardy/Grant County and the rest migrated "west". They seemed to stop in Lewis, Gilmer, Braxton and Calhoun Counties of WV before some of them did truly migrate West.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson, (2), Willison/Willson, White (2), Briggs (2), Moorehead all spellings (Muirhead Clan), Stubbs, Maddock/s, Spencer, Bright, Brock (2), Carrothers/Carrouthers, Crabtree, Davis, Davidson, Engle, Ford, Ferrell, Gray, Larrison, Moore, Miller, North,etc Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Darrell & Rob: Don't ever give Up, and Keep all reference's, Like I have stated before, their Out other's that have WILSON's fr Va, like Myself, I have (WILSON, WILSON, WILLSOB/WILLISON, and I have (2) WILSON Brother somewhere in that area at one time or another, and My James also left (2) Son's, in around Frederick/Stafford Counties, so One NeverKnow's??????????????? Regards: The Sarge And Darrell;, I do beieve WE are Related because of WILSOB, but GROVES of Belmont Co, Ohio Barnesville, and other area's in Southeastern Ohio. ""Honor and Courage""

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Fletcher, Roe Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2682 Message Board Post: I'm searching for information about Theordore Fletcher who was listed in the 1870 census Frederick County, Virginia living with Alexander and Alice Roe. He would have been born about 1864. Also, searching for information about H. E. Fletcher who married Susan Roe on June 16, 1887. Also, looking for William Fletcher who married Alice Roe, daughter of Hiram Roe and information about their three children (Walter, Justice, unknown). Need information about Richard Fletcher who married Susan Roe, daughter of Hiram Roe and sister of Alice Roe.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/2373.1.3 Message Board Post: I believe that Bathsheba is my gg grandmother who married William Roe. What dates do you have for her? Any help would be appreciated. Joyce Roe Flaugher www.alohayall.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1766.1.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: You have the right family but some of our information does not jib. They never married and his father, according to our records was also John. They just dedicated his grave site last year. He was not burried by Nancy, I suppose that was because they were not married. Nancy lived with my GGgrandmother (Mary Ellen Carothers-Summers-Peterson)until she died.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/1229.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, I have sent an email to you. Joyce

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson, Briggs, Bright, Patterson, Aitken, Brown, Wilson, Willson, Williams, brock, Bright, Maddock/s, Stubbs, etc Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1766.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Good day: John G Carrothers, son/o, George and Jane (Hall) CARROTHERS, (note change of spellings), both Born in Ireland, John G. b 1819 d. Jun 1872, marr Nancy Wilson, (Willson), b.1792, d. Feb 1861, is this the Right One? Regards: The Sarge

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2373.1.3.1 Message Board Post: Per "Frederick County Marriages" by Vogt & Kethley page 276 Cattlett, Basheba and William Roe, 14 May 1843, minister John Grove Per "Frederick County Marriage Bonds" by Hackett & Good p. 256 12 May 1843, William Roe & Basheba Catlett, Bondsman William Catlett. They would have taken out the bond on the 12th, then married on the 14th. William is not listed as her father, but he might be - or a brother or uncle. If she is older, it could even be a son in some cases (not likely here!) The minister that married them can also be a clue such as what church were they attending when they married. Records in that church or of that minister might include baptisms, burials, etc. Rev. John Grove was a Methodist minister, ministering in the Timber Ridge area of Frederick & Hampshire counties.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2680 Message Board Post: The will of Anthony Crum filed in Book 10,343 dated 28 Jun 1814, probated 5 Oct 1818. Named as his wife Elizabeth and children: Anthony (received his land on Long Marsh), Jane Koontz, Anne Mauck, KATY SOWERS & Rebecca Boocher (sic). Named his grandson John Crum as his executor. I am interested in who his daughter Katy married. Was he a Daniel or John Sowers ? I have already compiled in book from Frederick Co. VA Wills Book 1-9, covering the years of 1743-1816. E-mail me if interested in purchasing a copy of my book. Now working on compiling will books 10-19 years 1816-1837, hope to be finished by December. Perhaps other documents will turn up on the Crum family. Thank you for your time.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2626.2.2.1.2 Message Board Post: Most likely you already that the two items about said Henry & Christian Crum in the book "The Virginia Germans" by Klaus Wust, about their religious lives. My question about the Crum family is about Katy Crum, given in her father Anthony Crum's will of 1818. He also list as wife Elizbeth and his other children: Anthony Crum Jr., Jane Koontz, Anne Mauck, said Katy Sowers & Rebecca Boocher (sis). Named as his grandson John Crum as his administer of his will. Some of the above are listed in the L.D.S. computer bank, but no one seems to know who Katy Sowers married. Looking for her husband's first name. Thank you for your help & time.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/2373.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The origionals are in storage in the Courthouse in Winchester. They are, however, very fragile & not available to the public. These books I list are from transcribed from microfilmed marriage records & bond records. Ms. Good then compared the transcriptions with the origionals. LDS microfilmed them, and this set of 3 microfilm rolls can be accessed through interlibrary loan from the Virginia State Archives. I don't know of any photos - I am not related in any way. I don't know if William Roe's father would be listed - neither marriage/marriage bond book I have list him. In these books, in early records (before 1800) often both sets of fathers are listed. The later years often don't list the grooms father, and just who the bondsman was (in the bonds book). Have you found them in census records? As of 1850, all persons in the household are named. Often family relationships are also listed. It wouldn't be unusual for a parent to live with their grown children later in life. Some later ones also list where parents were born. Also, try the Handley Archives in Winchester. They have some family histories and sometimes photos. You might also try looking for obituaries of William or Basheba. Their parents might be listed there. Before 1900, they listed quite a bit of information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/1229.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Your email was returned. You may contact me. Thanks, Joyce

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.1.1 Message Board Post: Darrell, thanks very much for your response! It is clear from the information you have provided that we are talking about two different John Wilsons (there are simply too many of them to keep straight). So, it appears that I can eliminate Mary Marquis from the list of possible wives of the John Willson/Wilson who died in Berkeley County, VA in 1783. Best regards, Rob

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1768.1 Message Board Post: I goofed Rob, I had Mary In a differernt file. THE JOHN WILSON - MAGILL - MADAGAN HOUSE LOCATION: East of the Middle road (Route 628) about 1.5 miles southwest of Kernstown. Writing in 1855 in his Sketches of Virginia - Second Series (page 20), the Rev. William Henry Foote, D.D. describing settlers on the Opequon Creek downstream from the village of Opequon, says: "David Glass took his residence a little below his father (Samuel), on the Opequon at Cherry Mead, now owned by Madison Campbell; his son (that is Samuel's son) was placed a little further down at Long Meadows, now in the possession of his grandson, Robert … Next down the creek was Joseph Colvin and family … then came JOHN WILSON AND THE MARQUIS FAMILY, with whom he was connected; the grave of his wife is marked in this yard ( the old Opequon Church Cemetery) by the oldest monumental stone in the Valley". Continuing Dr. Foote says: "Now let us go with this stone enclosure , and among the remains of the ancient settlers, and meditate upon the past. Let us enter through the narrow gateway on the southern side, through which the congregation sleeping here entered, never to return. Let us pause a few moments at this rough, low, time-worn stone, in the very center of the graves; the first with an inscription, reared in the Valley of Virginia to mark the resting place of an emigrant -- you can scarcely read the inscription on one side or decipher the letters and figures on the other. The stone crumbled under the unskillful hands of the husband, who brought it from that eminence yonder on the west, and , in the absence of a proper artist, inscribed the letters himself, to be a memorial to his young and lovely wife. Tradition says he was the schoolmaster. On the side on which Ireland is chiseled, the pebbles in the stone, or his unsteady hand, made large indentures, and rendered the inscription almost illegible. Here the stone has stood, a monument of affection, and marked the grave of the early departed, while the days of more than a century have passed away". Dr. Foote was a prominent Presbyterian minister, whose wife was Eliza Glass, daughter of the Rev. Joseph Glass. Her grave is in the old Opequon Cemetery not far removed from the Wilson tombstone about which her husband wrote. He was thoroughly qualified to write of the history of the old church and of the farms on which these early Presbyterian immigrants lived. We believe that the well-built old stone dwelling, which we are considering here, now the Madagan home, was the house of John Wilson, about whom Dr. Foote, writes. Although we have not be able to document it, it is reasonable certain that the land on which the old house stands was granted to Wilson by Yost Hite. The Orange county records contain grants by Hite to Robert Wilson on May 5, 1740 (O.D.B. 4 - Page 14) and on February 17, 1736, to Thomas Wilson (O.D.B. 1 -Page 442), both of which grants were in the Kernstown area; and it is our belief that John Wilson acquired a part of this land. In his will, proved April 7, 1762, John Wilson devised all of his land to JAMES MARQUIS AND WILLIAM MARQUIS. He further provided that James Marquis should dig for water and share what was found with William Marquis; that James Marquis should CHANGE HIS NAME TO WILSON MARQUIS; and that his heirs should collect from William Vance a sum due him "for last year's school keeping." (F.W.B. 3 - page 40). From this will and from the tombstone inscription in the Opequon Church Cemetery we can, we believe, ascertain the following facts or reasonable assumptions about John Wilson: 1. That he was a native of county Armagh in Northern Ireland or Ulster and that he came to Frederick County (or what was to be Frederick County) in 1737. 2. That his wife's name was really Mary Marquis and that James and William Marquis were her bothers. 3. That he never remarried after his wife's death in 1742 and that he had no children. 4. That by documentation as well as by "tradition", to use Dr. Foote's words, he was indeed the community schoolmaster. 5. That the land upon which he lived had no spring, which is also true of the present-day Madagan place. On January 28, 1820, the heirs of WILLIAM MARQUIS conveyed to Charles Magill a tract of 200 acres on the drains of the Opequon joining Magill's other lands, which was devised to William Marquis by the last will and testament of John Wilson. (F.D.B. 44 - Page 494).

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/gAC.2ACE/1561.1579.1740.1744.1749.1767.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Cathryn. Please see my other inquiry on this message board which I posted today. The information I have states that the James Wilson who married Jane Baldwin died bef. March 13, 1815 in Berkeley County, VA. (I believe that this is the Jane Hedges who married William Baldwin. William died and then she married James). I would be glad to exchange information with you. Best regards, Rob