Lots of Franklin people went to Sumner County, Tennessee -- Hodges, Keen, Perdue, Woodall, Cochran and others. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Patterson" <OnTheRanch@hughes.net> To: <HUFSTEDLER@rootsweb.com>; <VAfrankl@rootsweb.com>; <Ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow et al > For 20 plus years I have been banging my head against a brick wall to > the point I think my Nancy Jane HANSBROW sprang from the earth at age 5 > (b. 1845 Wayne Co., IL) with her older brother John age 8 (born 1842 > Wayne, Co., IL) in tow. > > First of all let's look at her surname I have found it as: > Hansbro > Hansbrow > Hansbrough > Hansborough > Hansbra > Hansbraw > Hansbrew > > oh well you get the idea. I've even see original spellings for these > lineages as Ansberry, and Hansberry. Which is correct? Who knows. > > She and big brother John first appear in the 1850 Wayne Co., IL census > in the home of S. Boyd (I'll post the census in a bit) in 1860 Jefferson > Co., IL census she, alone--no John,( I have not been able to find any > record of John anywhere since then) appear in the family of Jehu/John > NORMAN, again census in a bit. > > Over the years she married three times that I know of adding children > along the way. > 1. George M. BOYKIN b. 1842 Jefferson Co. IL d. bef 1868 s/o William > Mills BOYKIN and Mary Ann HOLT (who was previously married to James B. BOND) > > 2. Elias or Ellis Wigginton b. 1848 IL d. 1868 s/o Nathaniel Wigginton > and Mary McLain > > 3. Seth Ward WEBBER b. 1849 Jefferson Co., IL d. 1920 in Wayne Co., IL > s/o Seth Ward Webber and E. Jane Crawford or Samuel Webber (marriage > license says Seth, but other paperwork leads some to believe it was > actually Samuel) > > All three of her marriages were in Jefferson Co., IL. > > Finally about a week ago a light bulb went off in my head. WHY were > those two children in first the BOYD family and then the NORMAN family? > They were far too young to be servants. > > Turns out John NORMAN was married to Emily J. Hansbraugh d/o John > HANSBROUGH and Sarah M. GRUBBS (the parents were married in Frederick > Co., VA). So most likely Nancy Jane HANSBROW is niece, but by who? I > can't find a connection. Was maybe one of John's sisters married to a > Hansbrow? Or one of Emily's brothers is the father of these children? > > I have found no connection at all to the BOYD family, which appears to > be the family of Solomon BOYD b. 1782 Franklin, VA and his first wife > Mahala DALE b. 1805 Hamilton, IL. Solomon later married Melvina > HUFFSTUTLER b. abt 1810. This makes me think that perhaps Nancy and > John were related to Mahala Dale's family since his marriage took place > in 1859 and if the children weren't related to him then it would make > perfect sense he would send them to other relatives. > > So, does anyone have connections between any of these surnames that > might help me broaden my search? I would REALLY appreciate any help you > can give on this matter. > > census and other notes: > in 1850 in the S. Boyd family as 15 in the M. Boyd. family in the Ill > state archives lists as has no family. > > District 11, Wayne Co., IL 1850 Census pg 203 > Boyd, S Male 51 farmer VA > M. 35 f VA > C. 20 f IL > John 18 m farmer IL > William 16 m farmer IL > M 13 m IL > E 10 f IL > A 8 m IL > Hansbrow, John 8 m IL > Nancy J 5 IL > > two pages over on the census for the same county is a relative most likely: > 200/306 > Hansbrow, John 70 m farmer VA > S (J?) 52 f VA > L. 16 f IL > Virginia 14 f IL > Pressley (?) 10 m IL > ------------ > 1860 Hickory Hill P.O., Jefferson Co., IL(June 15, 1860) > Norman, John 48 m farmer TN > Sarah 15 f IL > Hansbro, Nancy J. f 15 IL > Norman, Nancy 12 f IL > Lafayette 10 m IL > Jason 8 m IL > > JP NOTE: on ancestry I found this family and I am certain they are part > of Nancy Jane's family. I just have to find the tie in! > > Jeheu Norman s/o Joseph Lafayette Norman and Hannah Jones > Born: 1812 > Sumner, Tennesee > Died: 26 SEP 1882 > Jeferson County, Illinois > > Spouse > Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 > Children > James Jones Norman1836 - 1896 > John Norman1838 - 1933 > Mary A Norman1839 > Hannah Norman1840 > Sarah Norman1844 > Nancy Norman1847 > Lafayette Norman1850 - 1917 > > Spouse > Caroline1825 > No children listed > > 1850 United States Federal Census > about John Norman > Name: John Norman > Age: 12 > Estimated birth year: abt 1838 > Birth Place: Illinois > Gender: Male > Home in 1850 > (City,County,State): District 10, Jefferson, Illinois > > Note the home prior to this is William and Delilah Haney family with > Gregory families all around, family 512 in the same area is the Morias > Hansbrough b. abt 1796 family from KY as well. John, Jeheu's father is > family 299. With my Nancy and her brother John being at family 216 in > the Boyd Family. These are all in districts 10 and 11. > > 599/599 > Norman, Jeheu 39 m farmer TN > Emily J 34 f VA > James 14 m IL > John 12 m IL > Mary 9 m (?) IL > Hannah 8 F IL > Sarah 6 F IL > Nancy 3 F IL > Lafayette 3/12 M IL--Lydia M. Meador was spouse > > 600/600 > Hansbrough, William M. 27 m KY > Tabitha 25 f IL > Sarah 6 f IL > Margaret 2 f IL > William 2/12 m IL > > John Hansbrough > Born: 1780 > VA, USA > Died: 15 MAR 1852 > Wayne, IL, USA > > Spouse > Sarah Grubs1797 > > Children > Elizabeth Hansbrough1816 - 1860 > Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 > John H Hansbrough1829 - 1872 > C Hansbrough1834 > Virginia Hansbrough1836 > Presley Hansbrough1837 > > From Karen <gtskjs@mvn.net> speaking of the census of 1860: > To me, the first name of Mr. Norman looks as much like John as it does > > Jehu. > > > > Don't know if it helps or not but John Norman is reported to have been > > born in Sumner Co., TN. John Norman Sr.'s estate was administered by > > John Norman Jr. in 1882. John may have been the son of Joseph Norman > > who is in that neighborhood in the 1840 census and has an adult male the > > age of John in his household. Joseph may be the Joseph Norman who > > married Margaret Tomcray March 20, 1798 Washington Co., VA. > ----------- > 1870 United States Federal Census > about Mills A Boyicun > Name: Mills A Boyicun > Estimated birth year: abt 1863 > Age in 1870: 7 > Birthplace: Illinois > Home in 1870: Township 1 Range 4, Jefferson, Illinois > Family and neighbors: View Results > Race: White > Gender: Male > Value of real estate: View image > Post Office: Mount Vernon > > ancestry page 11 > 1870 Jefferson Co., IL > Wiggington, Nancy J. 24 f housekeeping IL > Sarah E 2/12 f IL > Boyicun, Mills A. 7 m IL > Mary E. 4 f IL > > 1880 Jefferson Co., IL > Webber, S. W. 38 m farmer IL TN AL > Nancy 35 wife keeps house IL TN MS > Mills A 16 son IL IL IL > Mary 14 da IL IL IL > Dithery 8 da IL IL IL > John 4 son IL IL IL > Minty A. 1 da IL IL IL > Minny 1 da IL IL IL > > Jan who has such a brick wall headache in OK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: RE: [VAFRANKLIN] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow etc al >From VA most took the route thru KY and to TN and some went to IL. There are numerous individuals who came to TN and went on to IL. I have a great uncle buried in IL. Remainder of Great uncles are buried in TN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hodges" <vhodges131@comcast.net> To: <vafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow et al > Lots of Franklin people went to Sumner County, Tennessee -- Hodges, Keen, > Perdue, Woodall, Cochran and others. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Patterson" <OnTheRanch@hughes.net> > To: <HUFSTEDLER@rootsweb.com>; <VAfrankl@rootsweb.com>; > <Ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:47 PM > Subject: [VAFRANKL] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow et al > > >> For 20 plus years I have been banging my head against a brick wall to >> the point I think my Nancy Jane HANSBROW sprang from the earth at age 5 >> (b. 1845 Wayne Co., IL) with her older brother John age 8 (born 1842 >> Wayne, Co., IL) in tow. >> >> First of all let's look at her surname I have found it as: >> Hansbro >> Hansbrow >> Hansbrough >> Hansborough >> Hansbra >> Hansbraw >> Hansbrew >> >> oh well you get the idea. I've even see original spellings for these >> lineages as Ansberry, and Hansberry. Which is correct? Who knows. >> >> She and big brother John first appear in the 1850 Wayne Co., IL census >> in the home of S. Boyd (I'll post the census in a bit) in 1860 Jefferson >> Co., IL census she, alone--no John,( I have not been able to find any >> record of John anywhere since then) appear in the family of Jehu/John >> NORMAN, again census in a bit. >> >> Over the years she married three times that I know of adding children >> along the way. >> 1. George M. BOYKIN b. 1842 Jefferson Co. IL d. bef 1868 s/o William >> Mills BOYKIN and Mary Ann HOLT (who was previously married to James B. > BOND) >> >> 2. Elias or Ellis Wigginton b. 1848 IL d. 1868 s/o Nathaniel Wigginton >> and Mary McLain >> >> 3. Seth Ward WEBBER b. 1849 Jefferson Co., IL d. 1920 in Wayne Co., IL >> s/o Seth Ward Webber and E. Jane Crawford or Samuel Webber (marriage >> license says Seth, but other paperwork leads some to believe it was >> actually Samuel) >> >> All three of her marriages were in Jefferson Co., IL. >> >> Finally about a week ago a light bulb went off in my head. WHY were >> those two children in first the BOYD family and then the NORMAN family? >> They were far too young to be servants. >> >> Turns out John NORMAN was married to Emily J. Hansbraugh d/o John >> HANSBROUGH and Sarah M. GRUBBS (the parents were married in Frederick >> Co., VA). So most likely Nancy Jane HANSBROW is niece, but by who? I >> can't find a connection. Was maybe one of John's sisters married to a >> Hansbrow? Or one of Emily's brothers is the father of these children? >> >> I have found no connection at all to the BOYD family, which appears to >> be the family of Solomon BOYD b. 1782 Franklin, VA and his first wife >> Mahala DALE b. 1805 Hamilton, IL. Solomon later married Melvina >> HUFFSTUTLER b. abt 1810. This makes me think that perhaps Nancy and >> John were related to Mahala Dale's family since his marriage took place >> in 1859 and if the children weren't related to him then it would make >> perfect sense he would send them to other relatives. >> >> So, does anyone have connections between any of these surnames that >> might help me broaden my search? I would REALLY appreciate any help you >> can give on this matter. >> >> census and other notes: >> in 1850 in the S. Boyd family as 15 in the M. Boyd. family in the Ill >> state archives lists as has no family. >> >> District 11, Wayne Co., IL 1850 Census pg 203 >> Boyd, S Male 51 farmer VA >> M. 35 f VA >> C. 20 f IL >> John 18 m farmer IL >> William 16 m farmer IL >> M 13 m IL >> E 10 f IL >> A 8 m IL >> Hansbrow, John 8 m IL >> Nancy J 5 IL >> >> two pages over on the census for the same county is a relative most > likely: >> 200/306 >> Hansbrow, John 70 m farmer VA >> S (J?) 52 f VA >> L. 16 f IL >> Virginia 14 f IL >> Pressley (?) 10 m IL >> ------------ >> 1860 Hickory Hill P.O., Jefferson Co., IL(June 15, 1860) >> Norman, John 48 m farmer TN >> Sarah 15 f IL >> Hansbro, Nancy J. f 15 IL >> Norman, Nancy 12 f IL >> Lafayette 10 m IL >> Jason 8 m IL >> >> JP NOTE: on ancestry I found this family and I am certain they are part >> of Nancy Jane's family. I just have to find the tie in! >> >> Jeheu Norman s/o Joseph Lafayette Norman and Hannah Jones >> Born: 1812 >> Sumner, Tennesee >> Died: 26 SEP 1882 >> Jeferson County, Illinois >> >> Spouse >> Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 >> Children >> James Jones Norman1836 - 1896 >> John Norman1838 - 1933 >> Mary A Norman1839 >> Hannah Norman1840 >> Sarah Norman1844 >> Nancy Norman1847 >> Lafayette Norman1850 - 1917 >> >> Spouse >> Caroline1825 >> No children listed >> >> 1850 United States Federal Census >> about John Norman >> Name: John Norman >> Age: 12 >> Estimated birth year: abt 1838 >> Birth Place: Illinois >> Gender: Male >> Home in 1850 >> (City,County,State): District 10, Jefferson, Illinois >> >> Note the home prior to this is William and Delilah Haney family with >> Gregory families all around, family 512 in the same area is the Morias >> Hansbrough b. abt 1796 family from KY as well. John, Jeheu's father is >> family 299. With my Nancy and her brother John being at family 216 in >> the Boyd Family. These are all in districts 10 and 11. >> >> 599/599 >> Norman, Jeheu 39 m farmer TN >> Emily J 34 f VA >> James 14 m IL >> John 12 m IL >> Mary 9 m (?) IL >> Hannah 8 F IL >> Sarah 6 F IL >> Nancy 3 F IL >> Lafayette 3/12 M IL--Lydia M. Meador was spouse >> >> 600/600 >> Hansbrough, William M. 27 m KY >> Tabitha 25 f IL >> Sarah 6 f IL >> Margaret 2 f IL >> William 2/12 m IL >> >> John Hansbrough >> Born: 1780 >> VA, USA >> Died: 15 MAR 1852 >> Wayne, IL, USA >> >> Spouse >> Sarah Grubs1797 >> >> Children >> Elizabeth Hansbrough1816 - 1860 >> Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 >> John H Hansbrough1829 - 1872 >> C Hansbrough1834 >> Virginia Hansbrough1836 >> Presley Hansbrough1837 >> >> From Karen <gtskjs@mvn.net> speaking of the census of 1860: >> To me, the first name of Mr. Norman looks as much like John as it does >> > Jehu. >> > >> > Don't know if it helps or not but John Norman is reported to have >> been >> > born in Sumner Co., TN. John Norman Sr.'s estate was administered by >> > John Norman Jr. in 1882. John may have been the son of Joseph Norman >> > who is in that neighborhood in the 1840 census and has an adult male > the >> > age of John in his household. Joseph may be the Joseph Norman who >> > married Margaret Tomcray March 20, 1798 Washington Co., VA. >> ----------- >> 1870 United States Federal Census >> about Mills A Boyicun >> Name: Mills A Boyicun >> Estimated birth year: abt 1863 >> Age in 1870: 7 >> Birthplace: Illinois >> Home in 1870: Township 1 Range 4, Jefferson, Illinois >> Family and neighbors: View Results >> Race: White >> Gender: Male >> Value of real estate: View image >> Post Office: Mount Vernon >> >> ancestry page 11 >> 1870 Jefferson Co., IL >> Wiggington, Nancy J. 24 f housekeeping IL >> Sarah E 2/12 f IL >> Boyicun, Mills A. 7 m IL >> Mary E. 4 f IL >> >> 1880 Jefferson Co., IL >> Webber, S. W. 38 m farmer IL TN AL >> Nancy 35 wife keeps house IL TN MS >> Mills A 16 son IL IL IL >> Mary 14 da IL IL IL >> Dithery 8 da IL IL IL >> John 4 son IL IL IL >> Minty A. 1 da IL IL IL >> Minny 1 da IL IL IL >> >> Jan who has such a brick wall headache in OK >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. >> To contact Listowner: >> Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Search this list's archived messages! >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >