Hello Everyone, A branch of this Renfro family being discussed eventually wound up in Dade County Missouri, where they moved right in and in some cases intermarried with my Bird, Choate, Simmons & other families (and their fellow travelers) who had origins in Franklin County...via Robertson County TN (area around Cross Plains and east almost to White House on the Sumner County border -- deeds refer to Sulphur Fork of the Red River). The connections with the Renfros are found in many places in between and beyond, following various branches of these families hither and yon. The patriarch of this Dade County branch was Absalom Renfro, and wife Mary Penn. He is said to be the son of Lewis Renfro and Sarah Absalom, son of James Renfro and Lydia Harris, son of William Renfro and Elizabeth Cheney. I got this information from the following WorldConnect website which has an awful lot of documentation, though I have problems with the Quaker Pennsylvanians ending up in James City County VA (wayy over on the Chesapeake Bay), as is indicated. Maybe some of you can enlight me on this, though it makes sense with the Turpin connection. The following link is to Moses Renfro and (a) Hannah Rentfro and (b) Elizabeth Turpin. _http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=deloreswilley&id=I12882_ (http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=deloreswilley&id=I12882) I have separate connections with the Turpin family, via my Bentleys in Powhatan Co. VA in the late 1700s, early 1800s. I have not researched any of the above Renfros, but thought you all might like all the information hidden in the above website (regardless of accuracy to which I can't attest). Best Regards, Janet (Baugh) Hunter ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Lots of Franklin people went to Sumner County, Tennessee -- Hodges, Keen, Perdue, Woodall, Cochran and others. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Patterson" <OnTheRanch@hughes.net> To: <HUFSTEDLER@rootsweb.com>; <VAfrankl@rootsweb.com>; <Ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:47 PM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow et al > For 20 plus years I have been banging my head against a brick wall to > the point I think my Nancy Jane HANSBROW sprang from the earth at age 5 > (b. 1845 Wayne Co., IL) with her older brother John age 8 (born 1842 > Wayne, Co., IL) in tow. > > First of all let's look at her surname I have found it as: > Hansbro > Hansbrow > Hansbrough > Hansborough > Hansbra > Hansbraw > Hansbrew > > oh well you get the idea. I've even see original spellings for these > lineages as Ansberry, and Hansberry. Which is correct? Who knows. > > She and big brother John first appear in the 1850 Wayne Co., IL census > in the home of S. Boyd (I'll post the census in a bit) in 1860 Jefferson > Co., IL census she, alone--no John,( I have not been able to find any > record of John anywhere since then) appear in the family of Jehu/John > NORMAN, again census in a bit. > > Over the years she married three times that I know of adding children > along the way. > 1. George M. BOYKIN b. 1842 Jefferson Co. IL d. bef 1868 s/o William > Mills BOYKIN and Mary Ann HOLT (who was previously married to James B. BOND) > > 2. Elias or Ellis Wigginton b. 1848 IL d. 1868 s/o Nathaniel Wigginton > and Mary McLain > > 3. Seth Ward WEBBER b. 1849 Jefferson Co., IL d. 1920 in Wayne Co., IL > s/o Seth Ward Webber and E. Jane Crawford or Samuel Webber (marriage > license says Seth, but other paperwork leads some to believe it was > actually Samuel) > > All three of her marriages were in Jefferson Co., IL. > > Finally about a week ago a light bulb went off in my head. WHY were > those two children in first the BOYD family and then the NORMAN family? > They were far too young to be servants. > > Turns out John NORMAN was married to Emily J. Hansbraugh d/o John > HANSBROUGH and Sarah M. GRUBBS (the parents were married in Frederick > Co., VA). So most likely Nancy Jane HANSBROW is niece, but by who? I > can't find a connection. Was maybe one of John's sisters married to a > Hansbrow? Or one of Emily's brothers is the father of these children? > > I have found no connection at all to the BOYD family, which appears to > be the family of Solomon BOYD b. 1782 Franklin, VA and his first wife > Mahala DALE b. 1805 Hamilton, IL. Solomon later married Melvina > HUFFSTUTLER b. abt 1810. This makes me think that perhaps Nancy and > John were related to Mahala Dale's family since his marriage took place > in 1859 and if the children weren't related to him then it would make > perfect sense he would send them to other relatives. > > So, does anyone have connections between any of these surnames that > might help me broaden my search? I would REALLY appreciate any help you > can give on this matter. > > census and other notes: > in 1850 in the S. Boyd family as 15 in the M. Boyd. family in the Ill > state archives lists as has no family. > > District 11, Wayne Co., IL 1850 Census pg 203 > Boyd, S Male 51 farmer VA > M. 35 f VA > C. 20 f IL > John 18 m farmer IL > William 16 m farmer IL > M 13 m IL > E 10 f IL > A 8 m IL > Hansbrow, John 8 m IL > Nancy J 5 IL > > two pages over on the census for the same county is a relative most likely: > 200/306 > Hansbrow, John 70 m farmer VA > S (J?) 52 f VA > L. 16 f IL > Virginia 14 f IL > Pressley (?) 10 m IL > ------------ > 1860 Hickory Hill P.O., Jefferson Co., IL(June 15, 1860) > Norman, John 48 m farmer TN > Sarah 15 f IL > Hansbro, Nancy J. f 15 IL > Norman, Nancy 12 f IL > Lafayette 10 m IL > Jason 8 m IL > > JP NOTE: on ancestry I found this family and I am certain they are part > of Nancy Jane's family. I just have to find the tie in! > > Jeheu Norman s/o Joseph Lafayette Norman and Hannah Jones > Born: 1812 > Sumner, Tennesee > Died: 26 SEP 1882 > Jeferson County, Illinois > > Spouse > Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 > Children > James Jones Norman1836 - 1896 > John Norman1838 - 1933 > Mary A Norman1839 > Hannah Norman1840 > Sarah Norman1844 > Nancy Norman1847 > Lafayette Norman1850 - 1917 > > Spouse > Caroline1825 > No children listed > > 1850 United States Federal Census > about John Norman > Name: John Norman > Age: 12 > Estimated birth year: abt 1838 > Birth Place: Illinois > Gender: Male > Home in 1850 > (City,County,State): District 10, Jefferson, Illinois > > Note the home prior to this is William and Delilah Haney family with > Gregory families all around, family 512 in the same area is the Morias > Hansbrough b. abt 1796 family from KY as well. John, Jeheu's father is > family 299. With my Nancy and her brother John being at family 216 in > the Boyd Family. These are all in districts 10 and 11. > > 599/599 > Norman, Jeheu 39 m farmer TN > Emily J 34 f VA > James 14 m IL > John 12 m IL > Mary 9 m (?) IL > Hannah 8 F IL > Sarah 6 F IL > Nancy 3 F IL > Lafayette 3/12 M IL--Lydia M. Meador was spouse > > 600/600 > Hansbrough, William M. 27 m KY > Tabitha 25 f IL > Sarah 6 f IL > Margaret 2 f IL > William 2/12 m IL > > John Hansbrough > Born: 1780 > VA, USA > Died: 15 MAR 1852 > Wayne, IL, USA > > Spouse > Sarah Grubs1797 > > Children > Elizabeth Hansbrough1816 - 1860 > Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 > John H Hansbrough1829 - 1872 > C Hansbrough1834 > Virginia Hansbrough1836 > Presley Hansbrough1837 > > From Karen <gtskjs@mvn.net> speaking of the census of 1860: > To me, the first name of Mr. Norman looks as much like John as it does > > Jehu. > > > > Don't know if it helps or not but John Norman is reported to have been > > born in Sumner Co., TN. John Norman Sr.'s estate was administered by > > John Norman Jr. in 1882. John may have been the son of Joseph Norman > > who is in that neighborhood in the 1840 census and has an adult male the > > age of John in his household. Joseph may be the Joseph Norman who > > married Margaret Tomcray March 20, 1798 Washington Co., VA. > ----------- > 1870 United States Federal Census > about Mills A Boyicun > Name: Mills A Boyicun > Estimated birth year: abt 1863 > Age in 1870: 7 > Birthplace: Illinois > Home in 1870: Township 1 Range 4, Jefferson, Illinois > Family and neighbors: View Results > Race: White > Gender: Male > Value of real estate: View image > Post Office: Mount Vernon > > ancestry page 11 > 1870 Jefferson Co., IL > Wiggington, Nancy J. 24 f housekeeping IL > Sarah E 2/12 f IL > Boyicun, Mills A. 7 m IL > Mary E. 4 f IL > > 1880 Jefferson Co., IL > Webber, S. W. 38 m farmer IL TN AL > Nancy 35 wife keeps house IL TN MS > Mills A 16 son IL IL IL > Mary 14 da IL IL IL > Dithery 8 da IL IL IL > John 4 son IL IL IL > Minty A. 1 da IL IL IL > Minny 1 da IL IL IL > > Jan who has such a brick wall headache in OK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: RE: [VAFRANKLIN] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow etc al >From VA most took the route thru KY and to TN and some went to IL. There are numerous individuals who came to TN and went on to IL. I have a great uncle buried in IL. Remainder of Great uncles are buried in TN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Hodges" <vhodges131@comcast.net> To: <vafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow et al > Lots of Franklin people went to Sumner County, Tennessee -- Hodges, Keen, > Perdue, Woodall, Cochran and others. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Patterson" <OnTheRanch@hughes.net> > To: <HUFSTEDLER@rootsweb.com>; <VAfrankl@rootsweb.com>; > <Ilhamilt@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:47 PM > Subject: [VAFRANKL] Hufstedler/Boyd/Norman/Hansbrow et al > > >> For 20 plus years I have been banging my head against a brick wall to >> the point I think my Nancy Jane HANSBROW sprang from the earth at age 5 >> (b. 1845 Wayne Co., IL) with her older brother John age 8 (born 1842 >> Wayne, Co., IL) in tow. >> >> First of all let's look at her surname I have found it as: >> Hansbro >> Hansbrow >> Hansbrough >> Hansborough >> Hansbra >> Hansbraw >> Hansbrew >> >> oh well you get the idea. I've even see original spellings for these >> lineages as Ansberry, and Hansberry. Which is correct? Who knows. >> >> She and big brother John first appear in the 1850 Wayne Co., IL census >> in the home of S. Boyd (I'll post the census in a bit) in 1860 Jefferson >> Co., IL census she, alone--no John,( I have not been able to find any >> record of John anywhere since then) appear in the family of Jehu/John >> NORMAN, again census in a bit. >> >> Over the years she married three times that I know of adding children >> along the way. >> 1. George M. BOYKIN b. 1842 Jefferson Co. IL d. bef 1868 s/o William >> Mills BOYKIN and Mary Ann HOLT (who was previously married to James B. > BOND) >> >> 2. Elias or Ellis Wigginton b. 1848 IL d. 1868 s/o Nathaniel Wigginton >> and Mary McLain >> >> 3. Seth Ward WEBBER b. 1849 Jefferson Co., IL d. 1920 in Wayne Co., IL >> s/o Seth Ward Webber and E. Jane Crawford or Samuel Webber (marriage >> license says Seth, but other paperwork leads some to believe it was >> actually Samuel) >> >> All three of her marriages were in Jefferson Co., IL. >> >> Finally about a week ago a light bulb went off in my head. WHY were >> those two children in first the BOYD family and then the NORMAN family? >> They were far too young to be servants. >> >> Turns out John NORMAN was married to Emily J. Hansbraugh d/o John >> HANSBROUGH and Sarah M. GRUBBS (the parents were married in Frederick >> Co., VA). So most likely Nancy Jane HANSBROW is niece, but by who? I >> can't find a connection. Was maybe one of John's sisters married to a >> Hansbrow? Or one of Emily's brothers is the father of these children? >> >> I have found no connection at all to the BOYD family, which appears to >> be the family of Solomon BOYD b. 1782 Franklin, VA and his first wife >> Mahala DALE b. 1805 Hamilton, IL. Solomon later married Melvina >> HUFFSTUTLER b. abt 1810. This makes me think that perhaps Nancy and >> John were related to Mahala Dale's family since his marriage took place >> in 1859 and if the children weren't related to him then it would make >> perfect sense he would send them to other relatives. >> >> So, does anyone have connections between any of these surnames that >> might help me broaden my search? I would REALLY appreciate any help you >> can give on this matter. >> >> census and other notes: >> in 1850 in the S. Boyd family as 15 in the M. Boyd. family in the Ill >> state archives lists as has no family. >> >> District 11, Wayne Co., IL 1850 Census pg 203 >> Boyd, S Male 51 farmer VA >> M. 35 f VA >> C. 20 f IL >> John 18 m farmer IL >> William 16 m farmer IL >> M 13 m IL >> E 10 f IL >> A 8 m IL >> Hansbrow, John 8 m IL >> Nancy J 5 IL >> >> two pages over on the census for the same county is a relative most > likely: >> 200/306 >> Hansbrow, John 70 m farmer VA >> S (J?) 52 f VA >> L. 16 f IL >> Virginia 14 f IL >> Pressley (?) 10 m IL >> ------------ >> 1860 Hickory Hill P.O., Jefferson Co., IL(June 15, 1860) >> Norman, John 48 m farmer TN >> Sarah 15 f IL >> Hansbro, Nancy J. f 15 IL >> Norman, Nancy 12 f IL >> Lafayette 10 m IL >> Jason 8 m IL >> >> JP NOTE: on ancestry I found this family and I am certain they are part >> of Nancy Jane's family. I just have to find the tie in! >> >> Jeheu Norman s/o Joseph Lafayette Norman and Hannah Jones >> Born: 1812 >> Sumner, Tennesee >> Died: 26 SEP 1882 >> Jeferson County, Illinois >> >> Spouse >> Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 >> Children >> James Jones Norman1836 - 1896 >> John Norman1838 - 1933 >> Mary A Norman1839 >> Hannah Norman1840 >> Sarah Norman1844 >> Nancy Norman1847 >> Lafayette Norman1850 - 1917 >> >> Spouse >> Caroline1825 >> No children listed >> >> 1850 United States Federal Census >> about John Norman >> Name: John Norman >> Age: 12 >> Estimated birth year: abt 1838 >> Birth Place: Illinois >> Gender: Male >> Home in 1850 >> (City,County,State): District 10, Jefferson, Illinois >> >> Note the home prior to this is William and Delilah Haney family with >> Gregory families all around, family 512 in the same area is the Morias >> Hansbrough b. abt 1796 family from KY as well. John, Jeheu's father is >> family 299. With my Nancy and her brother John being at family 216 in >> the Boyd Family. These are all in districts 10 and 11. >> >> 599/599 >> Norman, Jeheu 39 m farmer TN >> Emily J 34 f VA >> James 14 m IL >> John 12 m IL >> Mary 9 m (?) IL >> Hannah 8 F IL >> Sarah 6 F IL >> Nancy 3 F IL >> Lafayette 3/12 M IL--Lydia M. Meador was spouse >> >> 600/600 >> Hansbrough, William M. 27 m KY >> Tabitha 25 f IL >> Sarah 6 f IL >> Margaret 2 f IL >> William 2/12 m IL >> >> John Hansbrough >> Born: 1780 >> VA, USA >> Died: 15 MAR 1852 >> Wayne, IL, USA >> >> Spouse >> Sarah Grubs1797 >> >> Children >> Elizabeth Hansbrough1816 - 1860 >> Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 >> John H Hansbrough1829 - 1872 >> C Hansbrough1834 >> Virginia Hansbrough1836 >> Presley Hansbrough1837 >> >> From Karen <gtskjs@mvn.net> speaking of the census of 1860: >> To me, the first name of Mr. Norman looks as much like John as it does >> > Jehu. >> > >> > Don't know if it helps or not but John Norman is reported to have >> been >> > born in Sumner Co., TN. John Norman Sr.'s estate was administered by >> > John Norman Jr. in 1882. John may have been the son of Joseph Norman >> > who is in that neighborhood in the 1840 census and has an adult male > the >> > age of John in his household. Joseph may be the Joseph Norman who >> > married Margaret Tomcray March 20, 1798 Washington Co., VA. >> ----------- >> 1870 United States Federal Census >> about Mills A Boyicun >> Name: Mills A Boyicun >> Estimated birth year: abt 1863 >> Age in 1870: 7 >> Birthplace: Illinois >> Home in 1870: Township 1 Range 4, Jefferson, Illinois >> Family and neighbors: View Results >> Race: White >> Gender: Male >> Value of real estate: View image >> Post Office: Mount Vernon >> >> ancestry page 11 >> 1870 Jefferson Co., IL >> Wiggington, Nancy J. 24 f housekeeping IL >> Sarah E 2/12 f IL >> Boyicun, Mills A. 7 m IL >> Mary E. 4 f IL >> >> 1880 Jefferson Co., IL >> Webber, S. W. 38 m farmer IL TN AL >> Nancy 35 wife keeps house IL TN MS >> Mills A 16 son IL IL IL >> Mary 14 da IL IL IL >> Dithery 8 da IL IL IL >> John 4 son IL IL IL >> Minty A. 1 da IL IL IL >> Minny 1 da IL IL IL >> >> Jan who has such a brick wall headache in OK >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. >> To contact Listowner: >> Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Search this list's archived messages! >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. 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Gay, Thank you very much for your information. Yes, the Red River I referred to is in present day Montgomery county, I think. This is where Moses Rentfro built his station. He and his party were on the Donelson Flotilla that began from the area that is now Washington Co. TN. Suzy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Have you seen the book Red River Settlers? by Whitley? Mentions Moses Renfro and his company April 12, 1780 and Moses built Renfroe's station some times called Red River station. Names in his company are mentioned. Nathan and Soloman Turpin are mentioned. Montgomery Co, Tenn. Gay Nix SuzyH2610@aol.com wrote: Gay, Thank you very much for your information. Yes, the Red River I referred to is in present day Montgomery county, I think. This is where Moses Rentfro built his station. He and his party were on the Donelson Flotilla that began from the area that is now Washington Co. TN. Suzy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gay Nix warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net

Would any one with information or pictures of Walter Albert Bernard who married Abigail Hambrick in Franklin Co please contact me. I am interested in family stories. Was there a rift of some sort between Walter and his parents? What was the story with him and Abigail -- he probably never married her as he had no will so he was living off of her. Is he the same Albert Bernard living in Camden county New Jersey with a Susan Bernard in 1860? I hear comments of questionable parentage of some in Franklin county - any opinions on why Franklin county had a penchant for that kind of thing? These were not all poor lower class after all. Especially interested in stories or clues as to Walter Albert Bernard's life previous to when he shows up on the census in 1870. Thanks, Susan

Tony, Thanks so much for your notes. They are so interesting to me. I will copy them off, study them and get back to you. The Renfro's and Turpins intermarried more than once so I follow the Renfro's also. Diane, My Turpins were with the Rentfros at Red River. My Susannah was the daughter of Soloman Turpin. Some think he married a Renfro. They were on the flotilla. They ended up in Madison Co. KY along with Champion Turpin who later married Susannah. I suppose they were cousins. Renfros were in Madison Co. also. A James Turpin had land in Franklin Co. near the Renfros. He was on the trip also but I believe he went with Robertson by land. Moses Renfro's second wife was a Turpin. I have house guests. Will get back to you both soon. Suzy Hinrichs Escondido, CA ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Notes: The Red River This area was at one time in Kentucky and in 1828 The Walker Line was drawn up between these two State. Folks that were once Kentuckians found them selves in Tennessee and Folks who were Tennesseans found them selves Kentuckians. and this was not their choose, as the Federal Government redrew the State lines. To even add more problems the Territory of Ohio also claimed the Drainage of the Tennessee River as being in Ohio before Statehood. Then over in Eastern Kentucky you have to deal with the Lost State of Franklin as it claimed the lands of Eastern Tennessee and Kentucky and parts of Current Day West Virginia. See John Sevier's on a internet Search Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: diane<mailto:dbrundoll@yahoo.com> To: VAFRANKL@rootsweb.com<mailto:VAFRANKL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:02 AM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Rentfroes I am also searching for Renfros/Rentfroes. My Millie was born to "one of the 3 Rentfro brothers at Rentfro Station on the Red River". I have eliminated Moses and one of the James as her father. My Millie married Moses Shelby and moved to Kentucky. They lived in Livingston Co until 1812, when they moved to New Madrid, MO. A John Rentfro posted bond for their son's marriage in KY in 1821. I have thought he was the son of Joseph and Olive Rentfro. Joseph was killed by indians around 1780, and Olive later showed up in Livingston Co, KY, living near this John, who died in KY. But another researcher shows their son John living and dying in Tenn. I have tried to chart out a huge family tree, but there are so many with the same name, it's hard to keep them straight. Diane ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222<http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com<mailto:doreatr@rbnet.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl<http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suzy those are just part of my notes in my RENFRO Files, I was wondering if you would a COPY of the Renfro file sent to you. Reason Turpins are the first Families married into the William Hatcher born 1613 and died on Swift Creek, Henrico Co. His descendants include one General James Randolph Robertson who with John Donelson are the Founders of the Washugual Settlement: General James Robertson also descends from these Colonial Randolph Virginia Families. Included in the descendants of William Hatcher is the Hairstone families as they married a Female Stovall off the lines of William Hatcher b 1613. All the Colonial Virginia Randolph families are descendant of the De Bohun Families of Scotland and are married into the Planatagenet Families, which include King James the first (aka King James 5th or 6th of Scotland) Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: SuzyH2610@aol.com<mailto:SuzyH2610@aol.com> To: vafrankl@rootsweb.com<mailto:vafrankl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Rentfro Family (WAS: Pigg River Cem etc. Tony, Thanks so much for your notes. They are so interesting to me. I will copy them off, study them and get back to you. The Renfro's and Turpins intermarried more than once so I follow the Renfro's also. Diane, My Turpins were with the Rentfros at Red River. My Susannah was the daughter of Soloman Turpin. Some think he married a Renfro. They were on the flotilla. They ended up in Madison Co. KY along with Champion Turpin who later married Susannah. I suppose they were cousins. Renfros were in Madison Co. also. A James Turpin had land in Franklin Co. near the Renfros. He was on the trip also but I believe he went with Robertson by land. Moses Renfro's second wife was a Turpin. I have house guests. Will get back to you both soon. Suzy Hinrichs Escondido, CA ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour<http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com<mailto:doreatr@rbnet.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl<http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suzy, Are you talking about the Red River that is in Montgomery and Robertson'd County, Tenn which also runs into Logan Co, Ky? Gay Nix SuzyH2610@aol.com wrote: Tony, Thanks so much for your notes. They are so interesting to me. I will copy them off, study them and get back to you. The Renfro's and Turpins intermarried more than once so I follow the Renfro's also. Diane, My Turpins were with the Rentfros at Red River. My Susannah was the daughter of Soloman Turpin. Some think he married a Renfro. They were on the flotilla. They ended up in Madison Co. KY along with Champion Turpin who later married Susannah. I suppose they were cousins. Renfros were in Madison Co. also. A James Turpin had land in Franklin Co. near the Renfros. He was on the trip also but I believe he went with Robertson by land. Moses Renfro's second wife was a Turpin. I have house guests. Will get back to you both soon. Suzy Hinrichs Escondido, CA ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gay Nix warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net

Do you know of Renfro Valley, Kentucky? It has long been a mainstay of performance venues in Kentucky. Renfro Valley, Kentucky Renfro Valley is a Rockcastle county community just north of Mount Vernon and now within its city limits. It was named for Renfro Creek which was named for James Renfro, an early land owner in the area. Settlement began around 1789. The Renfro Valley post office opened in 1939. Fran Lawson Romine ----- Original Message ----- From: diane To: VAFRANKL@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Rentfroes I am also searching for Renfros/Rentfroes. My Millie was born to "one of the 3 Rentfro brothers at Rentfro Station on the Red River". I have eliminated Moses and one of the James as her father. My Millie married Moses Shelby and moved to Kentucky. They lived in Livingston Co until 1812, when they moved to New Madrid, MO. A John Rentfro posted bond for their son's marriage in KY in 1821. I have thought he was the son of Joseph and Olive Rentfro. Joseph was killed by indians around 1780, and Olive later showed up in Livingston Co, KY, living near this John, who died in KY. But another researcher shows their son John living and dying in Tenn. I have tried to chart out a huge family tree, but there are so many with the same name, it's hard to keep them straight. Diane ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the History Book of Grayson Co, Texas, and submitted by Dr. Roy Edward Renfro Jr. The following is what he published in the book in 1980. This is a short biog of what he wrote: He descends from Haden Wilson Renfro and wife Rachel Ellen Preston who came to Fannin Co, Tx from Barren Co, Ky. The Renfro heritage spans over 300 years, as land grant records in Va before 1638. Three brothers, James, Joseph and William were the forefathers of most present day Renfros in America. William born 1702 in James City County, Va married Elizabeth China in 1726. Their son William was born May 14, 1734 Va and died Sept 1, 1830 in Culleoka, Maury Co, Tenn at age of 96. First wife unknown but to them were born 6 children: John, Lydia, Jane, Moses, Jesse, and Nancy. William's homeplace is standingon the banks of Fountain Creek east of Culleoka, Tenn. The log house and it's magnificient chimneys were built before Tenn statehood and were previously in North Carolina. William is buried in the family cemetery on a tree-coveredridge behind the Renfro home. William's first son John, was Haden's grandfather, he was born Nov12, 1760, in Bedford Co, Va, and died April 22, 1846 in Barren Co, Ky. John married Esther Peak Feb 1781 Henry Co, Va. Both John and Father William fought in the Rev War, signed allegiance, Henry Co, Va courthouse 1777. John was a drummer boy and private in the cavairy, commanded by Capt Hairston of the regiment commanded by Col. Shelby in the Va militia. In his pension application he stated his father returned from the battle of yorktown and the surrender of General Cornwallis. John and Esther had 6 sonsIsaac, Jesse, John, William, Joshua and Joseph.. Haden's father was Joseph who was born June 21, 1801 in South Carolina and died Oct 1853 in Warren Co, Ky. Joseph married Sarah Ralston April 28, 1821 Barren Co, Ky. Joseph and Sarah had 13 children: Beverly, Robert, Schuyler, James Robert, John William, Thomas J., Isabel Susan, Catherine, Hardin Davis, Joseph R., Sarah E., Martha Ellen and Haden Wilson who was born Aug 22, 1849 Barren Co, Ky and died Dec 31, 1917 Fannin Co, Texas. I hope this helps someone and I am not of this line, but have met the Renfro's. Gay Nix Denison, Texas Gay Nix warpaint1128@sbcglobal.net

I am also searching for Renfros/Rentfroes. My Millie was born to "one of the 3 Rentfro brothers at Rentfro Station on the Red River". I have eliminated Moses and one of the James as her father. My Millie married Moses Shelby and moved to Kentucky. They lived in Livingston Co until 1812, when they moved to New Madrid, MO. A John Rentfro posted bond for their son's marriage in KY in 1821. I have thought he was the son of Joseph and Olive Rentfro. Joseph was killed by indians around 1780, and Olive later showed up in Livingston Co, KY, living near this John, who died in KY. But another researcher shows their son John living and dying in Tenn. I have tried to chart out a huge family tree, but there are so many with the same name, it's hard to keep them straight. Diane ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222

The Rentfro, Renfro and Rentfroe Families of Virginia: Some of the note in my files contact me at TonyempuireOre@msn.com<mailto:TonyempuireOre@msn.com> for more info Tony A List of Delinquents for the Year 1738 Orange County (Partial LISTING) John Jones Wm Hawkins, 1 dead no effects Timothy Johnson 3 ran away Anthony Thornton 4 a mistake Stephen Renfroe hath no estate James Renfroe hath no estate Notes a Timothy Johnson and James Johnson are found on Otter River and Flatt Creek by descendants of William Mayo. Notes: The Renfro's are also a Line connected to Dickson and Humphrey's County Tn. that me and Peg Descend from Notes: Anthony Thornton is the brother of Francis Thornton off Lines of William Thornton " The Immigrant" 1761 February,18th Page 10. William Preston, Assistant Surveyor, enters 3 tracts, 400 acres each, between lands of David Cloyd, James Johnston, Wm. Ralston; a survey for John Mills. David Miller. Wm. Armstrong and said Preston's land whereon Rentfro formerly dwelt. Also 400 acres on a small branch of Craig's (Creek?), above Jacob Patton's old place, known by the name of the Mill Place. ABSTRACTS OF WILLS OF AUGUSTA COUNTY, VIRGINIA AUGUSTA COUNTY COURT.WILL BOOK No. 3.From "Chalkley's Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish in Virginia" Notes there is a Joseph Cloud -Cloyd family that is one of the first into Washington Co. NC now Hawkins County Tn. Need to give you where I am lost in Va. at. Need info ON Elizabeth Wiit (De Witt) married to William Matlock b Jul 19 1702 New Kent Co Va. ( no info on Witts) this is a set of Great Grands. Need info on John Matlock 1683 and wife Mary Lee ( no info on Lee Families) , Set of Great grands Terisha Johnson ( aka Teresha and Terry) married to Suzanne Turner (2nd wife) born 1760-1765 Suzanne come off the Lines of Teresha Turner the Ancient 1705-1710 to 1802 died Amherst Co. Va.( has to be a Turner Johnson-Johnston connect to get the name Terisha Johnston. His father is John Johnson of Nutbush Creek Mecklenburg County Va. Cannn't find it but Rev. Thomas Dodson had 3 daughter or grand daughter Marry Johnson brothers William, James, and Stephen Johnson Okay it was Thomas Dodson 2nd Fork:: James Johnson aby 1770 married Susanna Dodson abt 1770: Alice Dodson married Stephen "Jerry" Johnson she was born abt 1750-1760: William also married one of his daughter but haven't got which one figured out. Lost on the Father of John B. Patrick (1805) and his brother James Henderson Patrick:: John B.Patrick married the daughter of either John Hudson of Maryland in Sumner CO.Tn. or the Daughter of Adam Hudson of Maryland in Tn (Only two Hudson's in Sumner County in 1812 time era Further Note is Adam Hudson was first citizen of Muary Co. Tn which was formed in 1809 but he still owned land in Sumner Co on Tax lists) Looking for William Burton (Chesterfield Co) father of Elizabeth Burton who married Hudson Johnson in 1808 Another Lost Line: Eleanor Renfro abt 1775 married to John R. Choate (Nothing on Renfro's) Another lost line Elizabeth Ann Keith married to Squire Thomas Choate born 1747 Lunenburg Co. Va. died ?? Washington Co.Tn. Nothing on Keith Lines. Another lost Line Prudence Staley married to Christopher Choate the 7th. nothing on Staley Lines Another Lost Line Flora Susan Gist Hawkins married to Christopher Choate the 6th. Sarah Patterson married to Charles Edward Leech born 1758 died Dickson Co. Tn 1814:: Nothing on Patterson a little on Leech to Duncan Leech of Ireland born 1720 died in Pa 1796 Richard Richardson married to Ann Thompson their daughter Margaret Mary Richardson married Robert Mayo B. 1742/1746 in Middlesex Co.V a (Nothing on Thompsons) Anne A. Mickelborrough married to Valentine Mayo: born 1655 Va. nothing on Anne. ( possible father is Tobias Micelborrough) John Valentine married to Mary Midland ( lost on both these Lines) Daughter Mary Valentine married James Mayo Isabel Hardy b 1623 abt married to William Mayo ( Nothing on Hardy) Katherine Lewis married to Robert Williamson Sr. born abt 1661 ( nothing on Lewis) Alice Tucker born 1635 Surry Co. Va. married to Col. Arthur Allen died 1669 Isle of Wright Co.Va. Mary Guerat Johnson abt 1618 married to Maierndot Minor died Dec 16 1677 Middlesex Co Va. Note have an Ann who is married to John Johnson : Anne is Aunt to Several Dodsons in Humphreys and Dickson Co. Tn. Anne was born in 1770 Va. died 1853 Humphreys Co. Tn. John is son of Hudson Johnson died 1828:: John his son died 1835-1838:: Same as it appears John Johnson married to an Ammy did:: Also stuck on Hiram Johnson married to Margaret:: Hiram died the same time as John and his Son. leaving Margaret, she died in 1854, They are married into the Rev. George Turner family and into the Richard Adams and Sarah Boyd 1760 Halifax Co.Va. families. Margaret is from NC per Census of 1850 and George Tubbs families whig cross with the above Leech Lines. ANY Help with the above is apprecitated. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paula Kelley Ward<mailto:chachalady@sbcglobal.net> To: vafrankl@rootsweb.com<mailto:vafrankl@rootsweb.com> ; SuzyH2610@aol.com<mailto:SuzyH2610@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Rentfro Family (WAS: Pigg River Cem etc. Hi, Suzy, I haven't worked on the Rentfro family in a long time, but I thought I would send you my notes, all from Mrs. Gertrude Mann, back in 1978 (below). She mentioned a book, "Three Pioneer Tennessee Documents" - wish I had ordered it back in 1978 when it cost a mere $3.95. Today it costs $30 - $35 and it's only 40 pages! I've requested it through inter-library loan. You may have all of this information: FAMILY NOTES & INFO: "The Reverend Moses RENTFRO was married first to his cousin Hannah RENTFRO, daughter of Joseph and Mary RANDOLPH RENTFRO, very early settlers here [in Franklin County, Virginia]. His second wife was Elizabeth TURPIN recorded in Bedford [County], 24 May 1773. Moses and Elizabeth RENTFRO and their children made that trip with the DONELSON flotilla down the Holston River to found Nashville, Tennessee. Many of that family were massacred by the Indians on the Red River not long after arriving there. This is a fascinating tale and if you would like to have the story, write to the University of Tennessee Press, 293 Communications Building, Knoxvlle, Tennessee 37816 and ask for the "Three Pioneer Tennessee Documents." It includes "Donelson's Journal, Cumberland Compact, and Minutes of Cumberland Court. This set costs $3.95." per a 1978 letter from Mrs. Gertrude C. Mann, to Paula Kelley Ward. BIRTH: Possibly born in Franklin County Virginia. MARRIAGE: In "Marriage Bonds of Bedford County, Virginia - 1755-1800" compiled by Earle S. Dennis and Jane E. Smith, reprinted with "Bedford County, Virginia: Index of Wills, From 1754 to 1830", Edited by Rowland D. Buford, Genealogical Publishing County, 1976, p. 57: MOSES RENTFRO and ELIZABETH TURPIN, May 24, 1773. Robert Alexander, surety. Consent filed, but cannot make out the name. FAMILY INFO: "Moses was the Reverend Moses Rentfro whose first wife was Hannah Rentfro, daughter of Joseph and Mary Randolph Rentfro. He (Moses) married Elizabeth Turpin in Bedford (County) 24 May 1773, surety Robert Alexander. This was the famous Rentfro family which was involved in the Donelson Expedition from the Holston in Southwest Virginia to the Red River in Tennessee. Many of them were massacred by the Indians soon after their arrival there." Sent by Mrs. Gertrude C. Mann, Rocky Mount, Virginia, 2 January 1978 in a letter to Paula Kelley Ward. Paula Kelley Ward ChaChaLady@sbcglobal.net<mailto:ChaChaLady@sbcglobal.net> In the mountains there are thousand-year-old trees, but in the towns there are hardly any hundred-year-old people. - Chinese Proverb -----Original Message----- From: vafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:vafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:vafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SuzyH2610@aol.com<mailto:SuzyH2610@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 12:58 PM To: vafrankl@rootsweb.com<mailto:vafrankl@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Pigg River Cem/Church Franklin County Va. Thanks Beverly. I thought the Turpins were out of Franklin before it would be possible to have a headstone that would last long enough to be recorded in a book. Mine moved on to KY. I appreciate your looking though. My Turpins were all mixed up with the Rentfrows/Renfrows. Anyone else working on these families? Suzy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com<mailto:doreatr@rbnet.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl<http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There were some early Turpins in Henrico/Goochland/Cumberland Cos VA. They migrated to SW VA around the 1760's.

I have Dillon, English and Pagans in that area. I hate to ask for that many at one time though. Whatever you can do, I am grateful. Gail Bowman Longton Clarksville, TN glongton@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "S Rigney" <sarkyrie@yahoo.com> To: <VAFRANKL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Mt Ivy Christian Church Records > Hello, > I wanted to let anyone who was interested know that I have records from > Mt. Ivy Christian Church in Scruggs, VA dated from 1895 to the early > 1900s. I was fortunate enough to borrow the church register a few years > ago, and I transcribed the whole book. I do not have the ability at this > time to publish this information (nor do I know if I could legally), but I > would be glad to do lookups for anyone who is interested in information > from this period of time. > > By the way, I looked up Dickenson for KMorris568@aol.com and there were no > entries. Some of the names listed are: > > Ayers > Bradley > Brown > Dillon > Dudley > English > Hutcherson > Martin > Maxey > McBride > Pagans > Pasley > Saunders > Turner > Wilson > Wuergler > Yeatts > > I would hope that I could help someone out there. ( : > Sheila Rigney > sarkyrie@yahoo.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The SECOND Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll > Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us > something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAFRANKL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Suzy, I haven't worked on the Rentfro family in a long time, but I thought I would send you my notes, all from Mrs. Gertrude Mann, back in 1978 (below). She mentioned a book, "Three Pioneer Tennessee Documents" - wish I had ordered it back in 1978 when it cost a mere $3.95. Today it costs $30 - $35 and it's only 40 pages! I've requested it through inter-library loan. You may have all of this information: FAMILY NOTES & INFO: "The Reverend Moses RENTFRO was married first to his cousin Hannah RENTFRO, daughter of Joseph and Mary RANDOLPH RENTFRO, very early settlers here [in Franklin County, Virginia]. His second wife was Elizabeth TURPIN recorded in Bedford [County], 24 May 1773. Moses and Elizabeth RENTFRO and their children made that trip with the DONELSON flotilla down the Holston River to found Nashville, Tennessee. Many of that family were massacred by the Indians on the Red River not long after arriving there. This is a fascinating tale and if you would like to have the story, write to the University of Tennessee Press, 293 Communications Building, Knoxvlle, Tennessee 37816 and ask for the "Three Pioneer Tennessee Documents." It includes "Donelson's Journal, Cumberland Compact, and Minutes of Cumberland Court. This set costs $3.95." per a 1978 letter from Mrs. Gertrude C. Mann, to Paula Kelley Ward. BIRTH: Possibly born in Franklin County Virginia. MARRIAGE: In "Marriage Bonds of Bedford County, Virginia - 1755-1800" compiled by Earle S. Dennis and Jane E. Smith, reprinted with "Bedford County, Virginia: Index of Wills, From 1754 to 1830", Edited by Rowland D. Buford, Genealogical Publishing County, 1976, p. 57: MOSES RENTFRO and ELIZABETH TURPIN, May 24, 1773. Robert Alexander, surety. Consent filed, but cannot make out the name. FAMILY INFO: "Moses was the Reverend Moses Rentfro whose first wife was Hannah Rentfro, daughter of Joseph and Mary Randolph Rentfro. He (Moses) married Elizabeth Turpin in Bedford (County) 24 May 1773, surety Robert Alexander. This was the famous Rentfro family which was involved in the Donelson Expedition from the Holston in Southwest Virginia to the Red River in Tennessee. Many of them were massacred by the Indians soon after their arrival there." Sent by Mrs. Gertrude C. Mann, Rocky Mount, Virginia, 2 January 1978 in a letter to Paula Kelley Ward. Paula Kelley Ward ChaChaLady@sbcglobal.net In the mountains there are thousand-year-old trees, but in the towns there are hardly any hundred-year-old people. - Chinese Proverb -----Original Message----- From: vafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vafrankl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SuzyH2610@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 12:58 PM To: vafrankl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Pigg River Cem/Church Franklin County Va. Thanks Beverly. I thought the Turpins were out of Franklin before it would be possible to have a headstone that would last long enough to be recorded in a book. Mine moved on to KY. I appreciate your looking though. My Turpins were all mixed up with the Rentfrows/Renfrows. Anyone else working on these families? Suzy

Hello, I wanted to let anyone who was interested know that I have records from Mt. Ivy Christian Church in Scruggs, VA dated from 1895 to the early 1900s. I was fortunate enough to borrow the church register a few years ago, and I transcribed the whole book. I do not have the ability at this time to publish this information (nor do I know if I could legally), but I would be glad to do lookups for anyone who is interested in information from this period of time. By the way, I looked up Dickenson for KMorris568@aol.com and there were no entries. Some of the names listed are: Ayers Bradley Brown Dillon Dudley English Hutcherson Martin Maxey McBride Pagans Pasley Saunders Turner Wilson Wuergler Yeatts I would hope that I could help someone out there. ( : Sheila Rigney sarkyrie@yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469

For 20 plus years I have been banging my head against a brick wall to the point I think my Nancy Jane HANSBROW sprang from the earth at age 5 (b. 1845 Wayne Co., IL) with her older brother John age 8 (born 1842 Wayne, Co., IL) in tow. First of all let's look at her surname I have found it as: Hansbro Hansbrow Hansbrough Hansborough Hansbra Hansbraw Hansbrew oh well you get the idea. I've even see original spellings for these lineages as Ansberry, and Hansberry. Which is correct? Who knows. She and big brother John first appear in the 1850 Wayne Co., IL census in the home of S. Boyd (I'll post the census in a bit) in 1860 Jefferson Co., IL census she, alone--no John,( I have not been able to find any record of John anywhere since then) appear in the family of Jehu/John NORMAN, again census in a bit. Over the years she married three times that I know of adding children along the way. 1. George M. BOYKIN b. 1842 Jefferson Co. IL d. bef 1868 s/o William Mills BOYKIN and Mary Ann HOLT (who was previously married to James B. BOND) 2. Elias or Ellis Wigginton b. 1848 IL d. 1868 s/o Nathaniel Wigginton and Mary McLain 3. Seth Ward WEBBER b. 1849 Jefferson Co., IL d. 1920 in Wayne Co., IL s/o Seth Ward Webber and E. Jane Crawford or Samuel Webber (marriage license says Seth, but other paperwork leads some to believe it was actually Samuel) All three of her marriages were in Jefferson Co., IL. Finally about a week ago a light bulb went off in my head. WHY were those two children in first the BOYD family and then the NORMAN family? They were far too young to be servants. Turns out John NORMAN was married to Emily J. Hansbraugh d/o John HANSBROUGH and Sarah M. GRUBBS (the parents were married in Frederick Co., VA). So most likely Nancy Jane HANSBROW is niece, but by who? I can't find a connection. Was maybe one of John's sisters married to a Hansbrow? Or one of Emily's brothers is the father of these children? I have found no connection at all to the BOYD family, which appears to be the family of Solomon BOYD b. 1782 Franklin, VA and his first wife Mahala DALE b. 1805 Hamilton, IL. Solomon later married Melvina HUFFSTUTLER b. abt 1810. This makes me think that perhaps Nancy and John were related to Mahala Dale's family since his marriage took place in 1859 and if the children weren't related to him then it would make perfect sense he would send them to other relatives. So, does anyone have connections between any of these surnames that might help me broaden my search? I would REALLY appreciate any help you can give on this matter. census and other notes: in 1850 in the S. Boyd family as 15 in the M. Boyd. family in the Ill state archives lists as has no family. District 11, Wayne Co., IL 1850 Census pg 203 Boyd, S Male 51 farmer VA M. 35 f VA C. 20 f IL John 18 m farmer IL William 16 m farmer IL M 13 m IL E 10 f IL A 8 m IL Hansbrow, John 8 m IL Nancy J 5 IL two pages over on the census for the same county is a relative most likely: 200/306 Hansbrow, John 70 m farmer VA S (J?) 52 f VA L. 16 f IL Virginia 14 f IL Pressley (?) 10 m IL ------------ 1860 Hickory Hill P.O., Jefferson Co., IL(June 15, 1860) Norman, John 48 m farmer TN Sarah 15 f IL Hansbro, Nancy J. f 15 IL Norman, Nancy 12 f IL Lafayette 10 m IL Jason 8 m IL JP NOTE: on ancestry I found this family and I am certain they are part of Nancy Jane's family. I just have to find the tie in! Jeheu Norman s/o Joseph Lafayette Norman and Hannah Jones Born: 1812 Sumner, Tennesee Died: 26 SEP 1882 Jeferson County, Illinois Spouse Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 Children James Jones Norman1836 - 1896 John Norman1838 - 1933 Mary A Norman1839 Hannah Norman1840 Sarah Norman1844 Nancy Norman1847 Lafayette Norman1850 - 1917 Spouse Caroline1825 No children listed 1850 United States Federal Census about John Norman Name: John Norman Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1838 Birth Place: Illinois Gender: Male Home in 1850 (City,County,State): District 10, Jefferson, Illinois Note the home prior to this is William and Delilah Haney family with Gregory families all around, family 512 in the same area is the Morias Hansbrough b. abt 1796 family from KY as well. John, Jeheu's father is family 299. With my Nancy and her brother John being at family 216 in the Boyd Family. These are all in districts 10 and 11. 599/599 Norman, Jeheu 39 m farmer TN Emily J 34 f VA James 14 m IL John 12 m IL Mary 9 m (?) IL Hannah 8 F IL Sarah 6 F IL Nancy 3 F IL Lafayette 3/12 M IL--Lydia M. Meador was spouse 600/600 Hansbrough, William M. 27 m KY Tabitha 25 f IL Sarah 6 f IL Margaret 2 f IL William 2/12 m IL John Hansbrough Born: 1780 VA, USA Died: 15 MAR 1852 Wayne, IL, USA Spouse Sarah Grubs1797 Children Elizabeth Hansbrough1816 - 1860 Emily J Hansbrough1816 - 1858 John H Hansbrough1829 - 1872 C Hansbrough1834 Virginia Hansbrough1836 Presley Hansbrough1837 From Karen <gtskjs@mvn.net> speaking of the census of 1860: To me, the first name of Mr. Norman looks as much like John as it does > Jehu. > > Don't know if it helps or not but John Norman is reported to have been > born in Sumner Co., TN. John Norman Sr.'s estate was administered by > John Norman Jr. in 1882. John may have been the son of Joseph Norman > who is in that neighborhood in the 1840 census and has an adult male the > age of John in his household. Joseph may be the Joseph Norman who > married Margaret Tomcray March 20, 1798 Washington Co., VA. ----------- 1870 United States Federal Census about Mills A Boyicun Name: Mills A Boyicun Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Age in 1870: 7 Birthplace: Illinois Home in 1870: Township 1 Range 4, Jefferson, Illinois Family and neighbors: View Results Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Mount Vernon ancestry page 11 1870 Jefferson Co., IL Wiggington, Nancy J. 24 f housekeeping IL Sarah E 2/12 f IL Boyicun, Mills A. 7 m IL Mary E. 4 f IL 1880 Jefferson Co., IL Webber, S. W. 38 m farmer IL TN AL Nancy 35 wife keeps house IL TN MS Mills A 16 son IL IL IL Mary 14 da IL IL IL Dithery 8 da IL IL IL John 4 son IL IL IL Minty A. 1 da IL IL IL Minny 1 da IL IL IL Jan who has such a brick wall headache in OK

In a message dated 7/17/2007 7:17:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, KMorris568@aol.com writes: My great-great grandfather Isham Hodges, born ca 1792, was also a blacksmith and farmer in the same area of Franklin Co. Evidence that the Hodges and Dickensons owned adjacent land in Franklin Co. (John Dickenson was my 4th great grandfather and the grandfather of Samuel Noten Dickenson). February 1, 1781 - Henry Co., VA John Dickenson received patent for 219 acres on both sides of Pigg River, adjoining William Hodges' land. (Patents C, page 231) March 1, 1781 - Henry Co., VA John Dickenson received patent for 420 acres on Pigg River, adjoining Isham Hodges. (Patents C, page 507) Don Dickenson ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour