>I have cd229 but have not figured out how to search the brides, does it not >do that? >Descendants of Phoebe Cabaniss > > 1 Phoebe Cabaniss b: 1730-1752 in Virginia d: 22 August 1822 in >Franklin Co., VA >. +Francis Belcher b: 1733-1740 in Virginia m: 23 December 1771 >in Granville Co., NC d: 1781 in Amelia Co., VA Father: Mother: >.... 2 Prudence Belcher b: 1772 >.... 2 Keziah Belcher b: 1773 >.... 2 Polly Belcher >.... 2 Francis Belcher b: 1781 > *2nd Husband of Phoebe Cabaniss: >. +Joseph Swinney m: 04 July 1791 in Franklin Co., VA >Father: Mother: > > > >Sandy in Florida Sandy, It has two places to enter names in the search box. The first box searches the first name listed in the record (usually the husband, but some counties list them both ways) and the second box searches the last name in the marriage record. I usually just enter surnames and if I don't find the one I'm looking for on the first try then I'll switch them around and put the wife's surname in the first box & the husband's surname in the second box & try again. Here is all I have on the Cabiness line, with sources. I didn't research it for my Clay book because I didn't know then that they were descended of Clay's, and I have only begun researching for the Belcher book. So there isn't a whole lot there & most of the sources are secondary, some of it even comes from recent conversations on this forum! Hopefully I'll have more info before the Belcher book comes out. One note, I have deleted the names of possible ancestors of Francis Belcher that I do not want to discuss yet. I rcvd this info from another researcher & have never seen it anywhere else. To spread it around on the internet without any idea of it's correctness would be irresponsible and may hurt my own chances of discovering the validity of it. So please don't email me & ask me for it! Once I have investigated more, I'll be glad to share my findings. Another note, dfarley.ftm which is listed frequently is a file sent to me by Jana Walls, whose email address I can't locate. If anyone knows it, I'd like to have it. Thanks, Jeannie Descendants of Francis Belcher, Sr. Generation No. 1 1. FRANCIS1 BELCHER, SR. (JOHNA, JOHNB, ROBERTC, WILLIAM THOMASD, HENRYE) was born Abt 1731 (Source: #6 WFT Family Archive CD), and died 1781 in Amelia Co. VA (Source: Will of Francis Belcher, Sr., 1781.). He married (1) MARY CABBANIS (Source: Juanitz@aol.com, Juanitta Belcher Thinnes.), daughter of MATTHEW CABBANIS and HANNAH CLAY. She was born 1748 (Source: SandraG627@aol.com, Sandy Griffith.). He married (2) PHOEBE CABBANIS (Source: SandraG627@aol.com, Sandy Griffith.) December 23, 1771 in Granville Co. NC (Source: <mboss@ix.netcom.com>, Elynn Boss.), daughter of MATTHEW CABBANIS and HANNAH CLAY. She was born Bet. 1730 - 1752 (Source: SandraG627@aol.com, Sandy Griffith.), and died Bef. October 11, 1822 in Franklin Co. VA (Source: Phebe Belcher Swinney Estate Inventory, 1822.). Child of FRANCIS BELCHER and MARY CABBANIS is: i. MATTHEW2 BELCHER (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 249.). Children of FRANCIS BELCHER and PHOEBE CABBANIS are: ii. AMEY2 BELCHER (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 133, possibly daughter of Mary, Francis's 1st wife.), m. UNKNOWN COOK (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 133.), Bef. May 29, 1818 (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 133.). iii. ISHAM BELCHER (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 249.). iv. POLLEY BELCHER (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 133.), m. WYATT WARWICK (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 236.), November 25, 1805, Franklin Co. VA (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 236.). v. PRUDENCE BELCHER (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 133.), b. Abt 1772 (Source: <mboss@ix.netcom.com>, Elynn Boss.). vi. KESIAH BELCHER (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 134.), b. Abt 1773 (Source: <mboss@ix.netcom.com>, Elynn Boss.); m. (1) JOHN (PAULIVIN?) PAULEVON (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 176.), April 5, 1790, Franklin Co. VA (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 176.); m. (2) UNKNOWN BOLDWIN (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 134.), Bef. May 29, 1818 (Source: Franklin County Deed Book #7 - page 134.). 2. vii. FRANCIS BELCHER, JR., b. October 19, 1781; d. Aft. 1850. Generation No. 2 2. FRANCIS2 BELCHER, JR. (FRANCIS1, JOHNA, JOHNB, ROBERTC, WILLIAM THOMASD, HENRYE) was born October 19, 1781 (Source: dfarley.ftm.), and died Aft. 1850 (Source: dfarley.ftm.). He married (1) CHARLOTTE DUNN (Source: dfarley.ftm.) August 1, 1809 in Franklin Co. VA (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 32.), daughter of POSS. THOMAS DUNN. She died Bef. 1840 (Source: dfarley.ftm.). He married (2) NANCY DUNN FINEY (Source: dfarley.ftm.) Aft. 1840 (Source: Jana Walls .ftw CD.). She died Aft. 1850 (Source: dfarley.ftm.). Children of FRANCIS BELCHER and CHARLOTTE DUNN are: i. NANCY3 BELCHER (Source: dfarley.ftm.), b. November 29, 1807 (Source: dfarley.ftm.); d. 1867 (Source: dfarley.ftm.); m. JAMES M. WHITE (Source: dfarley.ftm.), February 7, 1829, Franklin Co. VA (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 240.); b. 1807 (Source: dfarley.ftm.); d. 1867 (Source: dfarley.ftm.). ii. PROB. MARY BELCHER (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 234.), m. HENRY W. WALKER (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 234.), February 4, 1839, Franklin Co. VA (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 234.). iii. PROB. GEORGE BELCHER (Source: Marshall Wingfield, Marriage Bonds of Franklin Co., VA 1786-1858, (Genealogical Publishing Co. Inc.), 240, surety for Nancy.). ************* Now Available: "The Descendants of John Thomas Clay, Jamestown Immigrant and son of Sir John Clay of Wales" Also available: "The Descendants of James Bailey & Lucy Simms" For more info: http://www.trellis.net/users/madamx

Barbara, Can you tell me more about this line? I know nothing more than Isham's name! With all the Isham's in my line, I've been curious about him. Thanks, Jeannie >My husband's line descends from Phebe's son, Isham. > > >Barbara Belcher >BelcherT@aol.com ************* Now Available: "The Descendants of John Thomas Clay, Jamestown Immigrant and son of Sir John Clay of Wales" Also available: "The Descendants of James Bailey & Lucy Simms" For more info: http://www.trellis.net/users/madamx

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In a message dated 4/25/00 11:06:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ocscott@usit.net writes: > My question to you is about John Brogan marrying Letha Underwood in Franklin > County. Do you have any additional data on his family? > This is all I have Descendants of Letha Underwood 1 Letha Underwood b: 1810 . +John Brogan b: 1810 in Franklin Co., VA m: 03 November 1829 in Franklin Co., VA Father: Robert O BROGAN Mother: Gracie ALLEN Sandy in Florida

In a message dated 4/25/00 11:06:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ocscott@usit.net writes: > You have Allen Brogan as marrying a Esther ?. I have hand listed all Brogan > marriages in Floyd County and I have a Allen Brogan marrying a Hester Wright > in 1835. What is odd about this is on my FTM CD of VA marriages this does > not appear - additionally I have no month or day listed. It is odd that I > would not list this data on my form if it was in the marriage log. > I don't have any thing else on this, can't find it on my cd229 but that is incomplete, by 1850 Alan is in Kanawha, however I will add your data, chart below Sandy in Florida Descendants of Allen Brogan 1 Allen Brogan b: 1814 in Franklin Co., VA d: Abt. 1890 in Ely, WV . +Esther/Hester Wright b: Abt. 1823 in New York m: 1834-1835 in Floyd Co., VA d: Bef. 1848 Father: Mother: .... 2 Child Brogan d: Bef. 1850 .... 2 Elvira Brogan b: 12 October 1835 in Floyd Co., VA d: 19 July 1916 in Charleston, Kanawha Co., WV ........ +Joseph Rensalaer Curtis b: 22 January 1838 m: 03 November 1856 in Kanawha Co., VA/WV Father: Peter Van Rensalaer CURTIS Mother: Elizabeth DOLIN .... 2 Rosanna Brogan b: 1837 in Kanawha Co., VA/WV ........ +Morris Midkiff b: 1842 m: 06 October 1864 in Kanawha Co., WV Father: John MIDKIFF Mother: Mary TURLEY .... 2 Lucretia Brogan b: 1839 in Kanawha Co., VA ........ +William Thomas m: 23 March 1864 Father: Mother: .... 2 Grace Harriet Brogan b: 15 September 1842 in Kanawha Co., VA d: 04 November 1879 in Lincoln Co., WV ........ +Lafayette Wayne Pauley b: 18 October 1842 in Kanawha Co., VA m: 15 September 1864 in Kanawha Co., WV d: 11 June 1913 in Woodville, Lincoln Co., WV Father: George Washington PAULEY Mother: Mary GRIFFITH *2nd Wife of Allen Brogan: . +Anne Parsons b: Abt. 1825 m: 06 April 1848 in Kanawha Co., VA Father: Frederick PARSONS Mother: Sarah TURLEY .... 2 John Oliver Brogan b: 12 October 1850 in Virginia ........ +Letha Jane Pauley b: 07 January 1850 Father: Shadrick PAULEY Mother: Fairzina TACKETT .... 2 Samuel Brogan b: October 1853 in Virginia d: 02 March 1912 ........ +Octavia Deal m: 22 October 1881 Father: Mother: .... *2nd Wife of Samuel Brogan: ........ +Florence Snodgrass m: 02 November 1895 Father: Mother: .... 2 Harrison Brogan b: 01 January 1856 in Kanawha Co., VA/WV ........ +Elizabeth Kidd b: 10 March 1856 in Kanawha Co., VA/WV d: 03 December 1895 in Kanawha Co., WV Father: Jesse G KIDD Mother: Malvina "Viny" BROGAN .... 2 Cornelia Brogan b: 24 April 1859 in Crooked Creek, Kanawha Co., VA ........ +Manville "Bud" Elkins Father: Harrison ELKINS Mother: .... 2 Mariah F Brogan b: 14 August 1863 in West Virginia ........ +John Watson Gillispie Father: Mother: .... 2 Monroe Brogan b: February 1864 in West Virginia ........ +Vernila Midkiff b: 1867 m: April 1884 in Kanawha Co., VA/WV Father: Mother: .... 2 Mary Ann Brogan b: Abt. 1867 in West Virginia

In a message dated 4/26/00 6:35:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, madamx@trellis.net writes: > Know all men by these Presents that we Joseph Swinney and Phebe Swinney of > Franklin County Virginia do for the love and affection which we bear to > Prudence Belcher, Polley Warwick and Amey Cook Daughters of the said Phebe > and I found these in the marriage records, does anyone know if they are correct? Descendants of Phoebe Cabaniss 1 Phoebe Cabaniss b: 1730-1752 in Virginia d: 22 August 1822 in Franklin Co., VA . +Francis Belcher b: 1733-1740 in Virginia m: 23 December 1771 in Granville Co., NC d: 1781 in Amelia Co., VA Father: Mother: .... 2 Prudence Belcher b: 1772 .... 2 Keziah Belcher b: 1773 ........ +Mister Boldwin Father: Mother: .... 2 Polly Belcher ........ +Warren Warwick m: 25 November 1805 in Franklin Co., VA Father: Mother: .... 2 Francis Belcher b: 1781 in Virginia ........ +Charlotte Dunn m: 01 August 1809 in Franklin Co., VA Father: Mother: .... 2 Amy Belcher ........ +John Cook m: 14 December 1805 in Franklin Co., VA Father: Mother: .... 2 Isham Belcher *2nd Husband of Phoebe Cabaniss: . +Joseph Swinney m: 04 July 1791 in Franklin Co., VA Father: Mother: Sandy in Florida

> It seems to me that I read somewhere that in Quaker societies it was > forbidden to marry the sibling of a dead spouse because when a person > married, the spouse's family became their family too, so it would be > tantamount to marrying one's OWN sister. I think they called it "sister by > affinity" or something like that. > > Wendy > >

The following is from FAUQUIER FAMILIES, 1759-1799, by John P. Alcock - Stephen Pritchard,, M 3-348 [minute book 3, page 348] 1767, Indicted for marrying and cohabiting with Margret Kenner alias Pritchard, sister to his former wife, contrary to law. So, it would seem that at least in 1767, it was illegal to marry one's sister-in-law. Linda Hope

In a message dated 4/29/00 9:21:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mboss@ix.netcom.com writes: > In ancient Jewish law, it was REQUIRED that > on the death of the wife, the husband marry the wife's sister. So the Va > law doesn't seem so far fetched to me. It seems absurd to me, I know I have several folks who married siblings, but the only one I can think of is in Penna, he married 3 times, two sibs, all four are buried together with a 4 sided tombstone! Sandy in Florida

In a message dated 4/26/00 9:12:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mboss@ix.netcom.com writes: > I have corresponded with other BELCHER researchers, and we > think (but no proof) that Francis BELCHER's first wife was > Mary CABINESS, sister to Phebe. We also think that since at > that time it was illegal for a man to marry his dead wife's > sister. That would be the only reason for the marriage to > take place in NC. I have never heard this, maybe your cousin, but not your sister in law, there is no blood relation. Where did Mary Cabiness marry? On cd 229 her sister is listed as Caverness, I don't know how to make it search for women using soundex, spouse 2 only searches exact match Sandy in Florida

Queries posted the past week to this VAGenWeb QueryPage mentioned the following surname(s): HAYNES, PAUL, YOUNG For those of you wanting to read these new queries, they are located at URL: <a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/fran-qry.htm"> http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/fran-qry.htm </a> Regards, Freddie S. Fspradlin@earthlink.net 3448 W. 170th St, Torrance, CA 90504-2402

In a message dated 4/27/00 8:42:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BelcherT@aol.com writes: > My husband's line descends from Phebe's son, Isham. How does Isham fit into this chart, is he also called Isom? does anyone have other children, sources, spouses, thanks for your help, i have one who married a clay Sandy in Florida Descendants of Francis Belcher 1 Francis Belcher b: 1733-1740 in Virginia d: 1781 in Amelia Co., VA . +Phoebe Cabaniss b: 1730-1752 in Virginia m: 23 December 1771 in Granville Co., NC d: 22 August 1822 in Franklin Co., VA Father: Matthew CABANISS Mother: Hanna CLAY .... 2 Prudence Belcher b: 1772 .... 2 Keziah Belcher b: 1773 .... 2 Polly Belcher .... 2 Francis Belcher b: 1781

In a message dated 4/27/00 10:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CHRISTIEFC writes: > > << 2 Keziah Belcher b: 1773 >> > > Sandy, is this the Keziah Belcher who married John Paulevon ... if so, can > you confirm this marriage? ... and do you have a family group? > Thanks, Christie Ferguson Cirone -- ChristieFC@aol.com I don't have a spouse, I sent all I have Sandy in Florida

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--part1_4a.49c1ddd.26398e94_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/26/00 9:22:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mboss@ix.netcom.com writes: << I have a Thomas CLAY as the father of Hannah. I received this information from Barbara BELCHER of Va, and she received it from Robert CLAY of Va. He didn't have a source attached to the father's name. >> There is a source for this information. Prince George Co., VA Minute Book 1737-1746 "Cabaniss vs. Poythress" March Court 1738, p. 118. "In this Suite in Chancery bro: by Matthew Cabaniss & Hannah his Wife, one of the Daughers of Thomas Clay." My husband's line descends from Phebe's son, Isham. Barbara Belcher BelcherT@aol.com --part1_4a.49c1ddd.26398e94_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <VAFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (rly-yb04.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.4]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:22:37 -0400 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.27]) by rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:22:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13704; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: mboss@ix.netcom.com Wed Apr 26 18:20:56 2000 Message-ID: <3907964C.8841B415@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 20:22:20 -0500 From: Mike and Elynn Boss <mboss@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com, madamx@trellis.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [VAFRANKL] Re Clay/Cabiness Resent-Message-ID: <YQgvbB.A.iUD.5X5B5@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1237 X-Loop: VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: VAFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com I have a Thomas CLAY as the father of Hannah. I received this information from Barbara BELCHER of Va, and she received it from Robert CLAY of Va. He didn't have a source attached to the father's name. Elynn Boss --part1_4a.49c1ddd.26398e94_boundary--

In a message dated 4/26/00 9:24:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mboss@ix.netcom.com writes: > Unfortunately, I don't have birth dates, but I could probably speculate. My > husband is descended from Phebe and Francis through daughter Prudence. I > have > been unable to find who Prudence was married to, only that it was another > BELCHER. She and her unknown husband had 4 children, James Elias, Eveline, > Polly, and William. My husband is descended from Elias. I have cd229 but have not figured out how to search the brides, does it not do that? Descendants of Phoebe Cabaniss 1 Phoebe Cabaniss b: 1730-1752 in Virginia d: 22 August 1822 in Franklin Co., VA . +Francis Belcher b: 1733-1740 in Virginia m: 23 December 1771 in Granville Co., NC d: 1781 in Amelia Co., VA Father: Mother: .... 2 Prudence Belcher b: 1772 .... 2 Keziah Belcher b: 1773 .... 2 Polly Belcher .... 2 Francis Belcher b: 1781 *2nd Husband of Phoebe Cabaniss: . +Joseph Swinney m: 04 July 1791 in Franklin Co., VA Father: Mother: Sandy in Florida

I have a Thomas CLAY as the father of Hannah. I received this information from Barbara BELCHER of Va, and she received it from Robert CLAY of Va. He didn't have a source attached to the father's name. Elynn Boss

I have: 1. the marriage bond for Francis BELCHER to Phebe CAVINESS 23 Dec 1771, Granville Co, NC. 2. the will and proof of Frances BELCHER of Amelia Co, Va written 29 Jul 1781, proven in Amelia Co, Va 25 Oct 1781 and in Franklin Co, Va 5 Aug 1822. 3. The Estate Inventory of Francis BELCHER 21 Aug 1822 4. The Estate Inventory of Phebe SWINNEY 11 Oct 1822 5. The bond for the marriage of Joseph SWINNEY to Phebe BELCHER 4 Jul 1791. 6. The will of Matthew CABANISS of Nottoway Co, Va written 6 Jun 1789 where he names his daughters Mary BELCHER dec'd and Phebe BELCHER. I have corresponded with other BELCHER researchers, and we think (but no proof) that Francis BELCHER's first wife was Mary CABINESS, sister to Phebe. We also think that since at that time it was illegal for a man to marry his dead wife's sister. That would be the only reason for the marriage to take place in NC. Elynn Boss

Does anyone know the parents of this Hannah Clay? This will list more children... Franklin Co, VA Deed Book #7, page 133 Know all men by these Presents that we Joseph Swinney and Phebe Swinney of Franklin County Virginia do for the love and affection which we bear to Prudence Belcher, Polley Warwick and Amey Cook Daughters of the said Phebe and in further consideration of five Dollars to us in hand paid by the aforesaid Prudence, Polley and Amey the Receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged give and bequeath to the aforesaid Prudence, Polley and Amey after the death of the said Phebe Swinney all the Estate which we are in possession of that is not bound by the Will of Francis Belcher Deceased, towit, horses, cattle and hogs, with all our household and Kitchen furniture plantation tools and utensils Vc Vc our present crop we give to Prudence Belcher to them and their heirs forever free from the claim or right of any person or persons whatsoever. In witness, whereof we have hereunto set our hands and Seals, this 29th Day of May 1818. Witness: John Pinkard, Charles McBride, Eveline Belcher Signed: Joseph [his mark] Swinney............................Phebe [her mark] Swinney ************************************ Deed Book 7, page 134 Franklin County May the 29th of 1818, Whereas it is now talked of that other people is to share with my children in what little it hath pleased God to bless me with, which property is all that I am now in possession of, that is, negroes, all my other property I have disposed of to my three Daughters in consequence of due consideration, why this should be the case I know not. In consequence of my situation from beginning to the present day, the offspring of my own body ought and shall heir all the property I am now in possession of without the interruption of any person or persons whatsoever, except the heirs of my own body which is Kesiah Boldwin, Prudence Belcher, Isham Belcher, Polley Warwick, Frances Belcher, them and them alone is to share in my Negrores. Given under my hand this 29th day of May 1818, Witness my hand and Seal. Signed, Sealed and Acknowledged in the presence of us. John Pinkard, Charles McBride, Evelina Belcher At the Clerks Office of Franklin County, June 4th, 1818 Signed: Phebe [her mark] Swinney This declaration of Phebe Swinney respecting her property was proved by the oath of John Pinckard and Charles McBride two of the witnesses hereto and admitted to Record. Teste: Caleb Tate, Clerk of Franklin County. Thanks, Jeannie P.S. Required notice, these files came from The VAGenWeb Archives & are property of the submitter. Refer to the notice on the files there, http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/franklin.htm >X-Message: #7 >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:19:52 -0500 >From: Mike and Elynn Boss <mboss@ix.netcom.com> >To: VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <3904F2B8.34797BE9@ix.netcom.com> >Subject: [VAFRANKL] Re: Phoebe Cabiness/ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Phoebe CABINESS/CAVINESS, dau of Matthew CABINESS and Hannah >CLAY, married 1st Francis BELCHER 23 Dec 1771 in Granville >Co, NC. I know of 4 children, Prudence born abt 1772, >Keziah, born abt 1773, Polly (married Nov 1805), and Francis >(married Aug 1809). Phoebe married 2nd Joseph SWINNEY 4 Jul >1791 in Franklin Co, Va. Francis had died between Jul 1781 >and Oct 1781. Phoebe died before Aug 22 1822 in Franklin >Co, Va. > >Hope this helps > >Elynn Boss >mboss@ix.netcom.com > ************* Jeannie Watts Now Available: "The Descendants of John Thomas Clay, Jamestown Immigrant and son of Sir John Clay of Wales" Also available: "The Descendants of James Bailey & Lucy Simms" For more info: http://www.trellis.net/users/madamx

In a message dated 4/24/00 9:50:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mboss@ix.netcom.com writes: > Phoebe CABINESS/CAVINESS, dau of Matthew CABINESS and Hannah > CLAY, married 1st Francis BELCHER 23 Dec 1771 in Granville > Co, NC. Phoebe married 2nd Joseph SWINNEY 4 Jul > 1791 in Franklin Co, Va. Francis had died between Jul 1781 Thanks for this info, what is the source? Was Francis born in North Carolina? That county must be close to VA Sandy in Florida