----- Original Message ----- From: Winnie To: vamontgo-L@rootsweb.net ; vafrankl-L@rootsweb Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Fw: Re: As you can see from the message below, I have the person I need to contact when I get an appropriate number of people. Although I have had some people show interest, there has been nowhere near 100. I may need to go to other lists in the NRV, or if you know of someone who may be interested, let me know. I will stop using these lists for this purpose after this, and I apologize to anyone that may have felt it inappropriate to do so. Please contact me at my personal address - winnie@i-plus.net -I will contact you when/if we have enough people. Thank you Winnie Minson ----- Original Message ----- From: Molecular Genealogy To: Winnie Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 12:33 PM Subject: Re: The person to contact would be me, Ugo Perego, director of public relations for the molecular genealogy study. Once you have 100+ people willing to donate a sample of blood and their 4 generation pedigree charts, write or call me and we can decide date, time and location for the blood draws. We will need enough people to draw blood according to the number of participants (usually one medical techincian can draw blood from 30 people/hr). We can give a presentation before the sample collection. The presentation will take ca. 50 minutes. The whole event (presentation + blood draws) should not take more than 2 hours. One or two people from our group will come to your place for the sample collection and the presentation. You can seek out help from local genealogical societies or Family History Directors of local LDS stakes. They are usually pretty good in getting a large group of people together and organizing such event. Let me know how I can be of help to you. Thanks, Ugo A. Perego Director of Public Relations Molecular Genealogy Research Group http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu molecular-genealogy@email.byu.edu tel. (801) 378-1245 775 WIDB - BYU Provo, UT 84602 USA At 08:46 AM 9/2/00 -0400, you wrote: If I were able to get together 100 people for samples, who would I contact, an how would I go about making arrangements to have yur study group come to our location? Winnie Minson from the New River Valley area of Southwest VA

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Jerry, I don't believe that it will be of any value in locating individual ancestors either. If that is what someone is expecting they need not participate. Or, if anyone is worried about their privacy, although I don't believe there is any problem there, don't do it. I personally see it as a wonderful tool to learn and to contribute to the study of our humanity, and, in the long run, believe it will be priceless information, once we get past all of the issues that will present themselves in the beginning as happens with any new technology. Perhaps with enough grouping, it will become easier to trace our lines or to at least come to understand who we are and why we are as we are. The more knowledge there is available the more knowledge we can all have about each other, and some of our prejudices can we wiped out. Sometimes we do not do something for what we get out of it but for what we can contribute. I personally am a big believer in the value of DNA studies, and hope to see some of the effects in the near future. To me is is another door God has opened up to us to help us learn more about ourselves, and to improve life on earth. Thanks for sharing your opinion with us, its good to look at all possibilities before we make such a decision. Winnie Minson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Hodge" <hodgej@mail.cvn.net> To: "Winnie" <winnie@i-plus.net>; <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] DNA-BYU > Winnie, I fail to see how this study will ever be of value in locating > individual ancestors. Judy Phillips has hit on perhaps the only value to > those searching for their family trees. (see below). If one reads the BYU > study completely they will notice that no individual relationships will be > studied or information transmitted to those taking part in the study. > Rather, they will be looking at group similarities in DNA makeup. > > At some future time, their literature states, there will be a database > available showing ones relationship to a particular group of people in an > area. Since an individual receives no data from his DNA contribution I am > not sure how one would get any information from this database (especially > free information). > > I am sure they could build a database with names of contributors and show > relationships of other contributors to them but how they connect them to > people not contributing is not stated. They could also print your name > showing how you fit into the local ethnic groups by DNA types. > > Beyond that one encounters all kinds of privacy issues and sticky liability > problems. > > This could be a great boon to class studies of migration and immigration and > is certainly of value to social scientists. As long as the contributors do > not think of it as a way of finally finding GGGrandfather George after all > these years of searching, then by all means contribute. The study may show > that many of the contributors from Franklin County had DNA similar to people > from Scotland and Germany. Remember, though ,that you must submit a > pedigree chart for 4 generations back stating your ancestors home country if > known. For those that do not already know which country their ancestor came > from the database may give them a good idea;as long as enough contributors > have DNA that tie all of them together. > Jerry Hodge > > > > Anyway, I was very interested because my grandmother would not talk > > about our Indian heritage. I want to do this to see if I have any Indian > > blood or not. I checked to see how I could participate in this study. I > > was told if I could get 100 + people, they could be here in about 3 > > months. > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > > The Franklin Co VAGenWeb "Books" page is located at URL: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/fran-lup.htm > > > > > >

<A HREF="http://fcheritage.hypermart.net/">Home of Franklin County Historical Society</A> If you do not have your story in, get it in this week. If you want to order a book, you need to also do so this week. I have now written stories and ordered six books. They make wonderful Christmas Gifts. So don't tell my children and my mother-in-law they are getting a book for Christmas. This book is extra special to me, while I was writing the stories and submitted many stories, my son died. I have two special stories of him in the book. Thank you, Sincerely, Donna B. Wilkes

Glad to see such a favorable response. I hope the references I sent will help to explain the ideal behind all this. I haven't had a chance to read it all myself but will study it and see what is necessary to get it started. As to the location, I don't believe they would care where you come from. They most likely are interested in as many samples as possible, but in order for it to be worthwhile for them to come to you, they want at least 100 people willing to participate. If you are living elsewhere, try passing this info on to your local genealogical page, and I'm sure they will be willing to go wherever the demand is. Winnie

Here is Ancestry.com's page on the project. http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/eastman/2074.asp#4 Winnie

Would they swing by Texas and pick up mine? My Turners are from Rocky Mt. area. Russ Turner The Woodlands, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bervi@aol.com> To: <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] DNA-BYU > OK, Winnie, > If cousin Fran gets in, maybe I should jump also--we share family ties too > numerous to mention, as well as a few different lines. Also, my mother being > a naturalized Romanian would certainly sort some of the wheat from the > chaff....! > I live in PA, but make frequent trips to Franklin Co. where I have property. > I bet DNA from Fran and I side by side would drive some genetic researcher > into an early retirement or an early grave;> > > Peter Ramsey > (Moore/McGhee/Ross/Turner/Mullins/Stanley/Ashworth/Witcher/Pace/Hu rt/Goode/etc > . > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > The Franklin Co VAGenWeb "Surname Register" is located at URL: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/fran-sur.htm > >

Hi Francine, Sounds like you have been doing this for quite awhile. I was wondering, since you seem pretty informative about folks from Franklin County, if by chance you are also related to any Haynes or Kingery/Gingery's from that area. I am researching Henry Haynes family line thru William, Drewry, James, & Cora. I have also been trying to find anyone that may know something about Drewry Haynes 2nd wife Barsheba Adams. No one seems to know who she was or where she came from before marrying Drewry who was first married to Crecy (Savel ?) Lovel. Drewry and Barsheba's son James married Sarah Elizabeth Lavinder Campbell d/o Thomas Campbell and Nancy Ann "Annie" Lavinder. Thomas is the son of William Hale Campbell and Mary Hale. The Campbell line beinging another dead end. The other line I am researching is Kingery, Sebert (Lewis Byrd) Kingery who married Mary Ann "Pollie" Brammer d/o Sarah "Sally" Brammer. Sebert is the son of Thomas Jefferson Kingery and Sarah Elizabeth Gearhart. Sarah is the daughter of Leonard Gearhart and Sarah Johnson. All of these folks hale from Franklin Co., VA most from Ferrum. The Kingery's were somewhere on Black Bottom River? or so i'm told. If you are related to any of these folks I would love to exchange info with you or anyone else on the list. Pam Hart pshart1@voyager.net I know the blood lines pretty well for the whole of Henry County and am learning more every day about Franklin County's blood lines. I have become quite addicted to genealogical research now and add new names and knowledge to my database almost daily. Best, Francine Modderno (ne Moss, mother Doris Turner Stultz)

Found this message on my Franklin Co Tenn list. Wonder if we could get enough folks in the local area to bring them here. I don't know how to go about it myself, but if enough persons are interested, it would be worth checking into. Winnie Minson Hi there, For those of you who are local to Franklin County, I have recently found out that BYU in Utah are doing DNA Research Genealogy study. Molecular Genealogy links individuals together in "family trees" based on unique identification of genetic markers. In order to reconstruct molecular genealogies it is necessary to utilize known biological relationships and correlate this information with the transmission of genetic markers through time. Throughout the world there is intense interest in the origins and histories of people. Some of this information is transmitted through oral or written histories. Unfortunately, the history of some peoples and communities has been lost or destroyed through time. By utilizing the genetic record that each individual retains of his/her past, it is possible to reveal important clues as to their origin and relationship of any individual toother persons orpopulations. It will be possible to establish ancient immigration and migration patterns... Anyway, I was very interested because my grandmother would not talk about our Indian heritage. I want to do this to see if I have any Indian blood or not. I checked to see how I could participate in this study. I was told if I could get 100 + people, they could be here in about 3 months. You have to be 18. They will take about two tbsp of blood and it will be drawn by an experienced phlebotomist. You have to also have a four generation pedigree chart filled out as best you can. This will be used for future study. It is completely private. The results will be under lock and key. It takes about 10 mins. to do and they will pay you $10. Shoot, I would pay them $10.:) If any of you locals are interested, call or e-mail me. Thanks, Judy Phillips Franklin County

OK, Winnie, If cousin Fran gets in, maybe I should jump also--we share family ties too numerous to mention, as well as a few different lines. Also, my mother being a naturalized Romanian would certainly sort some of the wheat from the chaff....! I live in PA, but make frequent trips to Franklin Co. where I have property. I bet DNA from Fran and I side by side would drive some genetic researcher into an early retirement or an early grave;> Peter Ramsey (Moore/McGhee/Ross/Turner/Mullins/Stanley/Ashworth/Witcher/Pace/Hurt/Goode/etc .

Hi, Winnie, I am very interested in participating in such a study, if possible. I do not live in Franklin County, VA, (I now live in Loudoun County, VA), but I spent my first nine years in adjacent Henry County and both sides of my mother's tree are people who lived in Henry and Franklin Counties -- my father's tree, with people mostly in North Carolina, also links up to my mother's tree very remotely several times. I have a tree that goes back quite far on both my parents' side (part of it perhaps into the royal families of Europe several times, if some of my pre-American links hold up -- and I believe that many of them do because of the duplicaton of information in so many places - too many coincidences and lots of supporting information, and the fact that the younger brothers of the English peerage were involved heavily in the American tobacco business in early VA and NC), with almost 67,000 people in my database, including the lines of my ancestors' siblings, other wives, etc. I am related to almost everyone in Henry and Franklin Counties who did not move into the counties just recently. I am trying to create a database of everyone in the counties, to learn as many details as possible of local history and family connections. Much of what I have in my database was taken from Internet research during the last two years, but information about most of my closer ancestors is first-hand knowledge and much is backed up by primary documents, and earlier "real world" research I did starting back in the late 1960s in Washington at the DAR Library. (I may even have you and/or your ancestors in my database!) I remain in contact with my extended family in Henry/Franklin Counties, VA, and visit periodically, so if a study were done ther and that I be there for the study, I can manage that. (Although I believe I could contribute blood via a local plebotomist, as I did so recently for a genetic test for a family medical disorder.) I also could probably get some family members in the area to participate. My mother's immediate family names are Stultz, Turner, Ross, McGhee, Minter. Intertwined with those are also Griggs, Thornton, Gravely, Richarson, Wells, Ramsey, Prillaman, Mullins, etc., etc., etc., and just about all the names you find now in Henry/Franklin Counties. Although my research has taught me that many families everywhere in the 18th century and earlier commonly intermarried, I believe that the people of Henry and Franklin Counties are unusual in the amount of intermarrying -- most of the traditional families of the two counties include numerous first-cousin marriages. In the 1700s, people from Eastern Virginia, Pennsylvania and various European countries came through Henry/Franklin (old Pittsylvania) Counties on their way to Revolutionary land grants and Louisiana Purchase land further west, as the Great Wagon Road mountain gap to the Ohio Valley and on to Texas and the rest of the US was at the nearby "corner" area of VA, NC and Tennessee. (Most of the traditional names in Tenessee and Kentucky, particularly, are from our part of Virginia -- also descendants of our ancestors.) The Great Mountain Road parallel to the Blue Ridge Mntns. split near our area of Virginia into a separate fork that ran down to Georgia, which was the major interstate travel route during the migration period, thus taking many of our people throughout the South to populate that region. Those people who remained in Franklin/Henry Counties, VA, have ancestry that includes English, German, French and other nationalities, as well as Cherokee and the mixed blood (probably Portuguese/Spanish and perhaps Turkish) of the Melungeons, of which I believe you must be aware. Our people also are descended from and/or related to many of the Jamestown and other earliest Virginia settlers, including the Washington and Jefferson families, etc., etc., and Pocahantas' descendants. In fact, we are related to almost everyone (original families) in Virginia! (And northern North Carolina) And our people settled and populated much of the central and Western United States. I like to think of Henry/Franklin Counties as the "Cradle of America," in the sense that many Americans in the West and South are descended from families who passed through and stayed a while or were the early settlers of Henry/Franklin Counties. After the 1700s migration period, the population that remained in Franklin/Henry Counties remained quite stable, with very few new additions of blood. New generations were primarily the offspring of repeated cousin marriages, both distant and close. Because the area was off the beaten path (a fter the mid-1700s), with few people leaving and few new people coming in, the population is almost "pure" in the sense of being a distinct population. I think it must be an unusual population and one that could be of intense interest to geneticists, particularly since people who are part of the same larger family tree still remain in the area and are easily reachable for research. As I am a writer/journalist by profession (semi-retired), I have been contemplating a book on the topic (not just a family history, but a larger historical piece), and I had been thinking of suggesting the population to the National Institutes of Health for a possible medical/genetic study (I live in the Washington, DC, area), or finding someone else in appropriate academic/medical circles who might be interested in studying it. By the way, are you aware that Henry/Franklin Counties, VA, are purportedly within the area of Appalachia where the English spoken is the closest to Elizabethan English of any other now found on earth? That's because the population was isolated for a long period. Please let me know how we might get on with participating. I can think of ways to perhaps get many people in Henry/Franklin counties to participate, I believe -- although I know Henry County much better since my grandparents lived there and my aunts and uncles and immediate cousins still live in the Fieldale area. One branch of cousins (Mullins and Prillamans) still live in the tiny town of Henry, in Franklin County. I know the blood lines pretty well for the whole of Henry County and am learning more every day about Franklin County's blood lines. I have become quite addicted to genealogical research now and add new names and knowledge to my database almost daily. Best, Francine Modderno (ne Moss, mother Doris Turner Stultz) In a message dated 08/31/2000 8:01:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, VAFRANKL-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:03:59 -0400 From: "Winnie" <winnie@i-plus.net> To: VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000401c013a2$ab4f3b20$e71664d1@drmsr3> Subject: [VAFRANKL] DNA-BYU Found this message on my Franklin Co Tenn list. Wonder if we could get enough folks in the local area to bring them here. I don't know how to go about it myself, but if enough persons are interested, it would be worth checking into. Winnie Minson Hi there, For those of you who are local to Franklin County, I have recently found out that BYU in Utah are doing DNA Research Genealogy study. Molecular Genealogy links individuals together in "family trees" based on unique identification of genetic markers. In order to reconstruct molecular genealogies it is necessary to utilize known biological relationships and correlate this information with the transmission of genetic markers through time. Throughout the world there is intense interest in the origins and histories of people. Some of this information is transmitted through oral or written histories. Unfortunately, the history of some peoples and communities has been lost or destroyed through time. By utilizing the genetic record that each individual retains of his/her past, it is possible to reveal important clues as to their origin and relationship of any individual toother persons orpopulations. It will be possible to establish ancient immigration and migration patterns... Anyway, I was very interested because my grandmother would not talk about our Indian heritage. I want to do this to see if I have any Indian blood or not. I checked to see how I could participate in this study. I was told if I could get 100 + people, they could be here in about 3 months. You have to be 18. They will take about two tbsp of blood and it will be drawn by an experienced phlebotomist. You have to also have a four generation pedigree chart filled out as best you can. This will be used for future study. It is completely private. The results will be under lock and key. It takes about 10 mins. to do and they will pay you $10. Shoot, I would pay them $10.:) If any of you locals are interested, call or e-mail me. Thanks, Judy Phillips Franklin County >>

Jim Bartlett jimbartlett@mindspring.com (new) Gaithersburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: VAINF57TH@aol.com [SMTP:VAINF57TH@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:21 AM To: jimbartlett@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Franklin Co VAGenWeb page Freddie; I thank you for all of your excellent work. This site has been a godsend in my family tree search. George Pearson PS A hearty welcome to Barbara! GTP3

Freddie, I won't say goodbye because you'll be just across the county line .... but I do want to say thanks for all that you have done to make researching in Virginia the best. Thanks to you Barb, for stepping into the list manager position. I am looking forward to your participation. Best wishes, Diane Kuras

DEAR FRED, YOU WILL BE MISSED YOU DID A GREAT JOB, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. WELCOME TO YOU BARBARA AND IF I CAN HELP YOU LET ME KNOW. DONNA

My thanks to Freddie as well. It takes a lot of time and energy to perform at the level you did and it was always appreciated by me. Barb, looking forward to visiting with you again. Its been a few years. <bg> Lisa Savage Greensboro, NC Researching Wests, Ingrams, Shorts, Hatchers, Turners and Thomas.

Freddie; Thanks for your stewardship - you worked for all of us, and I appreciate it. Jim Bartlett jimbartlett@mindspring.com (new) Gaithersburg, MD On Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:57 PM, Freddie Spradlin [SMTP:fspradlin@earthlink.net] wrote: | Greetings all. | | I have transferred the maintenance of my webpage (and administration | of this mailing list) to Barbara Stanley. I'll still be subscribed so I can | hear what you're saying ... 8^) | | Good luck to all. | | Freddie S. | | | | ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== | The Franklin Co VAGenWeb "Surname Register" is located at URL: | http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/fran-sur.htm

I want to take this opportunity to THANK, Freddie for the effort he has put into all the Virginia Counties, WE are lucky to have such a careing host, and also WELCOME Barb Stanley to the new Position as Web page and Mail list manager for FRANKLIN County. For those of us who have had the pleasure of working with BARB, i know she will do a wonderful job with the Page & List.

In a message dated 8/29/00 7:43:27 PM, cookerlp@hotmail.com writes: << Thank You Freddie for all the work you've put into this list and the page. I for one appreciate it very much. Thanks, Dan Cook >> Dittos from PA!!! Thanks and welcome to Barb, who is probably a cousin;> Peter Ramsey

>>I have transferred the maintenance of my webpage (and administration >of this mailing list) to Barbara Stanley. >> Thank You Freddie for all the work you've put into this list and the page. I for one appreciate it very much. Thanks, Dan Cook COOKERLP@HOTMAIL.COM _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Greetings all. I have transferred the maintenance of my webpage (and administration of this mailing list) to Barbara Stanley. I'll still be subscribed so I can hear what you're saying ... 8^) Good luck to all. Freddie S.