Please unsubscribe. ----- Original Message ----- From: <VAFRANKL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <VAFRANKL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: VAFRANKL-D Digest V01 #125

Trying to sort out these Parrotts. Thorp Parrott was my gggg grandfather. He died in Red Hill, Marshall County, AL in 1850. The following Parrotts are listed on the 1799 tax list in Franklin County, VA. Luke Parrott Benjamin Parrott Joseph Parrott Thorp Parrott Nathan Parrott There is a Nathaniel Parrott on the 1788 list. Marriage Bonds of Franklin County Virginia 1786-1858 page 175 Parrott, Joseph and Susannah Thompson,Apr. 2, 1793. Sur. John Law. Marriage Bonds of Franklin County Virginia 1786-1858 page 175 Parrott, Luke and Mary Elizabeth Newbill,July 1, 1816. Sur. Joseph Rives. 7. Marriage Bonds of Franklin County Virginia 1786-1858 page 175 Parrott, Tharp (Thorp) and Elizabeth Sutherland, dau. Elizabeth,May 15, 1793. Sur. James Roberts.

I have received the August, 2001 newsletter and it is excellent. Looking forward to the next issue. Just one thing. In the membership list I am listed as researching the Sink family, and no e-mail address is listed. Please note the information in my signature below. Betty ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Betty Naff Mitchell Rootsweb Supporter Visit "Naff and Related Families" http://welcome.to/genealogy.naff Visit "Mitchell Genealogy Newsletter" Dedicated to MITCHELL Surnames Worldwide http://hometown.aol.com/bjm737/ NAFF, NEFF, BARNHART, BOWMAN, BRUBAKER, FLORA, PETERS, SINK, MITCHELL, ROSE. ----- > Subject: [VAFRANKL] Franklin County Genealogy Group > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:34:23 EDT > From: Ktrygal1@aol.com > To: VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com > > The "Hills of Home, Franklin County, Va., Genealogy Newsletter" > is NOW > Franklin County Genealogy Society Newsletter. > > The August 2001 newsletter has been mailed. > If you are a member and do not have your newsletter please contact > Donna Wilkes - ktrygal1@aol.com > 2935 Ironridge Road > Rocky Mount, Va. 24151 > > Thank you, > Donna B. Wilkes

The "Hills of Home, Franklin County, Va., Genealogy Newsletter" is NOW Franklin County Genealogy Society Newsletter. The August 2001 newsletter has been mailed. If you are a member and do not have your newsletter please contact Donna Wilkes - ktrygal1@aol.com 2935 Ironridge Road Rocky Mount, Va. 24151 Thank you, Donna B. Wilkes

"Birth Records of Franklin County, Va., 1853-1870" by Beverly Merritt A new book, the transcription of the microfilm of birth records for Franklin County will be available in about 4-6 weeks. This book is 178 pages with an every-name index of about 100 more pages. It is spiral bound with laminated cover. This information shows the child, date, parents, person reporting the information and relationship to the child. Please note, not all entries have complete information. This book covers 1853-1870, 1853 being the first years such records were kept for Franklin County. The births were reported to the Commissioner of the Revenue and from him to the Clerk of the Court. This appears to be the journal copied into the records of the Clerk of Court, each year is certified. The book is $45.00, for Franklin County Genealogy Society members (Former- Hills of Home, Franklin County Genealogy Newsletter) and libraries, $60.00 for non-members, plus $3.00 s/h and orders will be taken until September 15. ONLY those books ordered by that date will be printed. You can reserve a book but it must be reserved by that date. If you would like a copy please send your check to Beverly Merritt, P.O. Box 316, Ferrum, Va. 24088. You can email Beverly at beverlym@swva.net

> Now Available > FREE DAR PATRIOT LOOKUP SERVICE > Do you think you have a Revolutionary patriot (male or female) in > your family tree? > The DAR will search their database of proven Revolutionary > patriots free of charge. This service is available at www.dar.org > Sincerely, > Susan Tillman > National Chairman - VIS Committee >

List Administrator, I cancelled my old email provider before I could properly unsubscribe. Please remove notreefl@aol.com from the list server. Thanks, Wes

>Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:39:03 -0400 >From: Richard Kesler <rkesler@pinehurst.net> >To: "Barb S." <bobnroa@pipeline.com> >Subject: Re: J. Carl Poindexter > >POINDEXTER, Dr. J. Carl, 90, of Franklin County, died Tuesday, July 10, >2001, at his Salem residence. A devoted native of Franklin >County, Dr. J. Carl Poindexter left for the University of Virginia at >the beginning of the Depression, with a violin and a few dollars in >his pocket. Supported by his music and scholarships earned, he ended up >as the first Franklin County resident to earn a Ph.D. in >Virginia's economic program. Leader of the Virginia Cavaliers Band, Dr. >Poindexter was a concert violinist and had mastery of other >instruments ranging from woodwinds to brass. Through his University >years in the Depression era and beyond, he delighted legions >of music lovers in settings ranging from the cafes of Washington, D.C. >to the concert hall. His love of great music was continuous, >and he spent many years performing with various orchestras and bands >throughout Virginia, and serenading the neighborhood >surrounding his long-time home in Salem. A respected scholar, Dr. >Poindexter spent his lifetime teaching and sharing his love of >political economy. His teaching career included posts at the University >of Virginia, Louisiana State University, William and Mary, >and Virginia Western Community College. Renowned for his inspirational >lectures, he was proud of the generations of students he >taught and their personal accomplishments. His research was featured in >the premier academic economics journals of his era >including the American Economic Review, the Quarterly Journal of >Economics, and the Southern Economics Journal. Prominent >among his research themes was a series of articles in which he >dismantled and debunked the Keynesian Creation of Purchasing >Power "funny money" schemes developed in a doctoral thesis, the creator >of which previously had been celebrated in the economics >profession and honored as the recipient of a Harvard University award >for the theorizing that Dr. Poindexter discredited. As a lifetime >champion of justice for ordinary citizens, Dr. Poindexter was an >activist in the public policy arena. He was the recipient of various >awards and recognitions for his defense of and support of human and >citizens' rights, including The Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Drum >Majors for Justice Award (for excellence in civil rights achievements). >Dr. Poindexter will be buried in the family cemetery adjacent to >his family's ancestral home. From the massive gates and entrance-way >columns that, engraved in granite, tell his Poindexter family >history from the thirteenth century forward, to the magnificent >landscaping, this cemetery features his loving design and execution >efforts. He was a lover of his family and its history who espoused the >view that "one should honor ones ancestors so they, too, will >be honored." Always delighted to "show off" this unique and magnificent >family cemetery, he was a promoter of the view that all >families have great histories and ancestries, and that it would be both >wonderful and achievable for all families' members to go to >their final rest in a setting as inviting as the one he prepared. He >wishes for all who hold these sentiments to come and share in the >appreciation of his hallowed place of rest following services which will >be held at Flora Funeral Chapel, 3 p.m. on Friday. Friends >may call after 4 p.m. on Thursday with his family receiving friends from >6:30 to 8:30 p.m. and again Friday one hour prior to the >services. The family suggests memorials be made to the University of >Virginia, Economics or Music Departments, Charlottesville, >Va. Dr. Poindexter is survived by his devoted wife of more than 60 >years, Mrs. Josephine T. Poindexter; his daughter, Patricia; his >son and daughter-in-law, J.C. and Martha Poindexter; his grandchildren, >Carlyle, Katherine, Taylor, and Parker Poindexter. > >Richard K.

Bravo!!!! Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: <Eacgen@aol.com> To: <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] copyright > My answer to this is.... put the INFORMATION out there.... It is > information, data, and on and on. No one can copyright a person's birth, > marriage date, death date, name etc. If it is a history written by someone, > then the exact wording of that history may be subject to copyright. But > facts are facts, they are not copyright items. > > It is up to the person or company that claims copyright infringement to prove > that their copyright to anything has been breached. Do not be deterred by > those who threaten legal action. More often than not it is someone who > speaks loudly and carries a very little stick. > > >From one who knows > > Eric > > > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > Franklin Co., Va. List Archives > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?listname=VAFRANKL > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Thanks Barb!!! I will bookmark the site and check it out! Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb S. <bobnroa@pipeline.com> To: <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 3:32 AM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Franklin Co. Books For Sale > > We have all of the Franklin Co. books by Beverly Merritt and many others > listed here: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/fran-lup.htm#Books Listed for Sale > > ============================================================ > > At 09:01 PM 08/01/2001 -0700, you wrote: > >Good Points! I was thinking the same, a good way to advertise a book is > >through word of mouth, or via a gen list. IMHO!!! Seems free advertisement > >to me, and those really interested will purchase. Another thought is the > >message boards. Those book fanatics, like myself, will save and save their > >pennies to purchase a book such as the ones being discussed on this list. > >Maybe the word needs to get out and sales will increase not decline. Has > >anyone considered mentioning these books on the appropriate message boards. > >Get the word out!!! I am sure those of us who are able will eventually buy. > >. . buy. . . buy! > >Also, maybe some industrious individual might create a site that lists the > >available publications, POD's etc. Even maybe hook up with Barnes and Noble > >or something like that. > >Advertisement is a good thing and discussion and mentioning the books > >authors and titles as reference material is only the beginning. > >Rhonda > >Just my view > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > Franklin Co., Va. List Archives > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?listname=VAFRANKL > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Let's end our discussion on Copyright. Please read carefully, "Fair Use and the Guidelines" http://groton.k12.ct.us/mts/eg4.htm#4.5 Thank You, Barb S. List Administrator

We have all of the Franklin Co. books by Beverly Merritt and many others listed here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/fran-lup.htm#Books Listed for Sale ============================================================ At 09:01 PM 08/01/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Good Points! I was thinking the same, a good way to advertise a book is >through word of mouth, or via a gen list. IMHO!!! Seems free advertisement >to me, and those really interested will purchase. Another thought is the >message boards. Those book fanatics, like myself, will save and save their >pennies to purchase a book such as the ones being discussed on this list. >Maybe the word needs to get out and sales will increase not decline. Has >anyone considered mentioning these books on the appropriate message boards. >Get the word out!!! I am sure those of us who are able will eventually buy. >. . buy. . . buy! >Also, maybe some industrious individual might create a site that lists the >available publications, POD's etc. Even maybe hook up with Barnes and Noble >or something like that. >Advertisement is a good thing and discussion and mentioning the books >authors and titles as reference material is only the beginning. >Rhonda >Just my view

Hi all, We have finished uploading Personal Property Tax Lists image files for Franklin to our "1790/1800 County Tax Lists of Virginia" website. These are: "1800" Tax Lists 1799 Personal Property Tax List A images 1799 Personal Property Tax List B images We will index these tax lists as time permits. Follow the county link found at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm This concludes our image files of original Franklin County tax lists. We hope you enjoy! Steve and Bunny 1790/1800 County Tax Lists of Virginia Alternative 1790/1800 Virginia Censuses --------- Subscribe to BINNS-L surname email list: mailto:BINNS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe&body=subscribe American Binns Families and Individuals: http://www.yspcbdesigns.com/americanb/index.htm 1790/1800 County Tax Lists of Virginia: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ysbinns/vataxlists/index.htm

First let me say that I think Mike is a very generous person to stop his personal research and spend his time doing look-ups. I did ask for a look up. Second let me say that the person who made the statements about the copyright infringement possibilities was very kind and considerate in how she sated her position. And she was correct in what she stated. Here are the court guidelines on fair use for copyright materials, taken right off of a copyrighted piece of work. And please remember that the internet has a major impact on the availability and sharing of material. 1 PURPOSE AND CHARACTER OF THE USE: If it is for non-profit or educational purposes, it MAY be fair. If it is for commercial gain, to make a profit, it MAY be unfair. 2. NATURE OF THE COPYRIGHTED WORK: to warrant copyright protection, a work must be original and creative enough. 3. AMOUNT AND SUBSTANTIALITY OF THE PORTION USED: The used portion of the work must not be too large compared to the copyrighted work as a whole. 4. EFFECT OF TE USE ON THE COPYRIGHTED WORK: Must not harm the POTENTIAL market for, or value of, the work. WHAT KINDS OF SHARING IS A VIOLATION? * Systematically making reference freely available to more that one person at a time. * Systematically making large parts of the contents freely available to others. * Uploading all or part of the contents onto an electronic bulletin board. * Circulating a printout taken straight from the material. It means in essence when you share large amounts of information it may be illegal. So it could mean a lot of the information with a few persons or lots of small pieces of information with a large group of persons, if it hurts the potential sales then it is deemed infringement. So we can share, I do look ups myself, but I do not put the offer out on the internet to do so. I have shared lookups with a number of persons on this and other lists. But it is on an individual basis. I also tried to be very generous in sharing info once and found out the hard way just what the intent of the law is. TO protect the value and work of the author/publisher and very strict adherence to the copyright laws gave us the guidelines of FAIR USE and that is what the courts look at. Carrie Bias Hoffert

My answer to this is.... put the INFORMATION out there.... It is information, data, and on and on. No one can copyright a person's birth, marriage date, death date, name etc. If it is a history written by someone, then the exact wording of that history may be subject to copyright. But facts are facts, they are not copyright items. It is up to the person or company that claims copyright infringement to prove that their copyright to anything has been breached. Do not be deterred by those who threaten legal action. More often than not it is someone who speaks loudly and carries a very little stick. From one who knows Eric

I understand the hard work that one goes through to compile all of these records, but they are PUBLIC RECORDS copied exactly from the Public Record. Rick Brown, Chillicothe, Ohio

<<When I read the queries, I thought perhaps that an interest in purchasing the book would be the result. I hope so. The statiscal books, such as yours and Kathy's, are invaluable as resources.>> Pat, Very touchy subject here............ From what I've seen on the list lookups and info. I got in the past from this Gettysburg book it is number 1 one my book list. Bev's books were on my list for a long time and I've finally got most of the ones I want. I have bought many books new and used because of lookups such as the ones we had here over the last week or so. Infringement on the copyright.........perhaps, but in my case it will be another sale to me of a very good book in my opinion. Remember this is my own personal opinion and does not speak for anyone but myself. Thanks, Dan Cook Researching in Franklin Co., Va: Lavinder, Goode, Mullins, Hodges, McMillan, Steagall, Parcell, Warren and a few other connecting families. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Good Points! I was thinking the same, a good way to advertise a book is through word of mouth, or via a gen list. IMHO!!! Seems free advertisement to me, and those really interested will purchase. Another thought is the message boards. Those book fanatics, like myself, will save and save their pennies to purchase a book such as the ones being discussed on this list. Maybe the word needs to get out and sales will increase not decline. Has anyone considered mentioning these books on the appropriate message boards. Get the word out!!! I am sure those of us who are able will eventually buy. . . buy. . . buy! Also, maybe some industrious individual might create a site that lists the available publications, POD's etc. Even maybe hook up with Barnes and Noble or something like that. Advertisement is a good thing and discussion and mentioning the books authors and titles as reference material is only the beginning. Rhonda Just my view ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Thomas <bev25420@msn.com> To: <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Copyright > I have done many look-ups in the past for individuals but in doing so I "always give the author's name and tell them the book is available for purchase". I feel that this is free advertisement for the person who has went to the trouble to gather the info from public records and put into book form for those of us who can't always go to the courthouses to do our research. I also limit the info I give out, telling the individual that there is more but my time is limited, and by doing this they will usually ask where they can purchase the book I know that if I have someone do a look-up for me I ask if the book is available for purchase and by doing this I have over the years acquired a nice little library of my own. > As for books on census, many counties have on their archive websites census records available. More and more public records are being made available via the net. I still like to try to get to a courthouse to get copies of documents to back up my research but sometimes it is not always an option. Bev Thomas > > Surnames in Franklin Co.: JAMES; RADFORD; SMITH; STOVER; MCGHEE; HIXON/HICKSON > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, send a message to > VAFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com containing only the one word > unsubscribe. Leave the subject blank or use the word unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Thanks Edna!!!!!!! I was having a hard time understanding that one! Have a wonderful evening! Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: <Woodchippy@aol.com> To: <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Copyright > In a message dated 8/1/2001 7:08:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jrpalmer@intelos.net writes: > > > > Just a Question here! How does one go about copyrighting information that > > is, by law, free to the public for viewing? Public Record to be exact. It > > is my understanding that one can go to any local court house and go through > > the records (correct me if I misunderstand this issue) so how, by law, does > > any one individual copyright such material? > > > > You cannot copyright public information, period. You can use public > > information in a publication and the format you use can be copyrighted > > along with the rest of the book. When I say format, I mean the particular > > way you present the data can be copyrighted. The data itself can't be > > copyrighted. > > Edna > > > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this mailing list, send a message to > VAFRANKL-L-request@rootsweb.com containing only the one word > unsubscribe. Leave the subject blank or use the word unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Amen! Have a great evening! Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: <Woodchippy@aol.com> To: <VAFRANKL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:38 PM Subject: [VAFRANKL] My final word, also > Please do not take anything I have said or will say to mean that I support > the taking of information from others without their permission. I do not. I > respect the effort and the time and money that goes in to creating a > publication. I'm also very grateful to those who do. > > People just have a strange idea of what a copyright will protect and what it > won't. Where you might run in to trouble is when you're merrily copying > public information from a book and the author has mixed public and private > information together and you don't know that and end up taking the private > information without their permission. You may have stepped over a thin line > there. > > Just be considerate of the work of others, don't take large amounts of their > work and whatever you do, give references as to where you got it. Besides > that, if you do your research correctly, you will chase down the original > (public) records to back up what was printed, therefore you don't need to > copy from books. > Edna Clack > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > Franklin Co., Va. List Archives > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?listname=VAFRANKL > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >