I see he has a son Hardy and a son Edward. Have you looked at any of the Hardeman (Hardy) Crews families? There were Crews in Bedford and Henry Counties, but the Hardeman I know of lived in person County, NC. Bob Hodges ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Snethen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 4:10 PM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Thomas A Cruse/Mary Cintha Divers > Reserching my brick wall: > Thomas Alexander Cruse b.1812 Franklin Co. VA > md. on 11/30/1840 in Franklin Co to Mary Cintha (Cynthia) Divers b.1812 Franklin Co. VA. > Children: > Mary Elizabeth b.2/14/1845 Franklin Co.(grandmother) > md.Joseph Stover 3/8/1866 Pettis, MO > Hardy b.Franklin Co. d. Civil War > Thomas Alexander Jr. B.1/14/1843 Franklin Co. VA d.1919 Enterprise, OK > Edward > James > Found several Divers in the area. Don't know if related, but have found 3 generations back Cintha<James Francis<John Henry<Christopher Divers. > Tracked a Christopher to christening in St David's, Exeter, Sussex, Eng. Quite probable. > Have found zip on Thomas Alexander. > Found a Thomas Cruse land grant in Marion Co. SC, but do not know if this is related. > Any kind of info, data, or connections greatly appreciated. Have really hit the wall on Alex!! > Sherry > mailto:[email protected] > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== > Please Visit the Franklin Co. Web Site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/franklin.htm >

Reserching my brick wall: Thomas Alexander Cruse b.1812 Franklin Co. VA md. on 11/30/1840 in Franklin Co to Mary Cintha (Cynthia) Divers b.1812 Franklin Co. VA. Children: Mary Elizabeth b.2/14/1845 Franklin Co.(grandmother) md.Joseph Stover 3/8/1866 Pettis, MO Hardy b.Franklin Co. d. Civil War Thomas Alexander Jr. B.1/14/1843 Franklin Co. VA d.1919 Enterprise, OK Edward James Found several Divers in the area. Don't know if related, but have found 3 generations back Cintha<James Francis<John Henry<Christopher Divers. Tracked a Christopher to christening in St David's, Exeter, Sussex, Eng. Quite probable. Have found zip on Thomas Alexander. Found a Thomas Cruse land grant in Marion Co. SC, but do not know if this is related. Any kind of info, data, or connections greatly appreciated. Have really hit the wall on Alex!! Sherry mailto:[email protected]

Hi List, Looking for Marriage Lookups for the following couples, all thought, but not absolutely certain, to have been married in Franklin County, VA. Looking for parents, if information is available. 1. Nelson Crow/Crowe and Marie Martin, probably married in the 1940s 2. Jim Crow/Crowe and Eura/Eurie Radford, probably married about 1915-1920 3. Unknown Martin and Nellie Shivley, probably married 1910-1920 Thanks, John Hale Williamsburg, VA

I plan to attend and bring my mother and brother, so there will be three from us. Rebecca Hammons, Houston, TX

Good Morning All You People! It's about time for us to start getting an approximate count of the people who will be coming to the picnic this year. Allison has a lot planned and we hope you all will be able to come. I need to know about how many each person will be bringing - doesn't have to be an exact count - we always plan for extra's. Please e-mail me privately at: [email protected] If you are new to the List and don't know about the Researcher's Picnic 2005 please read about it at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barbs/picnic_2005.html Thanks, Barb S. List Granny

Cockerhams first came to Virginia in the early 1600s, either to Surry County or King William County. Since that time they have multiplied and spread throughout the states with Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Texas and Virginia having the highest concentration of Cockerhams today. A genealogical study of the family becomes even more difficult with the variations of the Cockerham surname spelling to include Cochran, Cockerham, Cockern, Cockram, Cockran, Cockren, Cockrum. In an attempt to connect these surname lines and trace them back to early Virginia, many of us have gone up too many blind alleys and run into too many brick walls following false leads. We have exhausted many of the traditional sources and now is the time to employ a different tactic to achieve our goal. Many of us agree with Ann as she says, "Do the easy stuff first, then check to see if a DNA test could guide your research, before you spend lots of money on death certificates or lots of hours scrolling through microfilm records." It may well be that taking a DNA test will become the first step for many genealogical searches. Lorris & Vernon Cockerham are coordinating a DNA survey project, enabling us to establish linage and connections for the surname lines listed above and maybe even tracking the lines into England. If you are interested in adding new information to our family tree, get in touch with Lorris or Vernon "Butch" ASAP at the following addresses: Dr. Lorris G. Cockerham ([email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ) Vernon R. Cockerham ([email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ) Thanks! Lorris G. Cockerham, Ph.D. 3006 Hinson Road Little Rock, AR 72212-2712 501-227-4224

New subscribers may want to look at the web site that will give you the details about the picnic we are having in June. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barbs/picnic_2005.html Messages, concerning the picnic, posted to the Lists, will also be posted on this web site. Barb S. List Grandma

Tami, THANK YOU....great site! Carrie Bias Hoffert -----Original Message----- From: Tami Ramsey [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Virginia Historical Counties The following website came across on Cyndi's list and I wanted to share it because it's great for tracking years of County boundaries in Virginia. Tami Ramsey URL: http://historical-county.newberry.org/website/virginia/viewer.htm TITLE: Virginia Historical Counties DESCRIPTION: Provides on-demand, printable, large-scale maps of every boundary change of every county and independent city of Virginia. User chooses any day and month from 1634 to 2000 and can zoom in or out or alter the map in other ways. An easy-to-use HELP file and supplementary texts support the maps. From the Newberry Library. ______________________________

Carolyn, What is the ancestry of Nancy Vest, back a couple generations if you have it, I am also a vest descendent. Carrie Bias Hoffert -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Bruce [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Rachel Richards No, Dan, I'm sorry. My great-grandmother Rachel Anglin RICHARDS was the daughter of Simpson RICHARDS and Nancy VEST, born October 9, 1836, probably in Floyd CoVA, died January 28, 1923 in Floyd CoVA. She m. Charles Richard PETERS November 22, 1853, in Floyd CoVA. I have no leads at all on where my RICHARDSes are from. Simpson is the only one I have been able to connect to, and I haven't been able to find his parents or siblings... got any ideas? Carolyn HALE BRUCE Co-author of Rebel King, Hammer of the Scots and Rebel King, The Har'ships See our site at www.RebelKing.com Coming April 1st: VIRGINIANA, A Visitors' Guide to Virginia History & Other Stuff See our site at www.virginianabooks.com ______________________________

Linda Jo, Thanks for the info. It confirms what I've already been told by Sandy Graley. Nancy's eldest child, James B. Graley (not Terry, as you can see in the census of 1850) was not by John Terry, which explains his surname being Graley. There is a marriage in Montgomery Co. which we believe is him (though I believe his middle initial is different in the marriage record--R instead of B; and, if I remember correctly(without getting out my records), his first name is given as Jamie), and his parents are listed as Nancy Graley and William Trail (her uncle, it would seem). Hmmmmm. Looks interesting. It seems to be Nancy's son. So, John Terry married her when she already had a child. I have not dug into the Floyd record, though. Thanks for the feedback. Charles

Dear Charles, I took a look at the census for James & Sarah Trail Graley and for John Terry & Nancy Graley. I have no other documents, but I would guess that you are right. John & Nancy live near William Allen & Susannah in 1850 & 1860. William & Susannah's daughter, Ruth Allen married Thomas Graley (b. abt 1812) Thomas and Nancy were probably siblings. William & Susannah's daughter, Elizabeth married William Trail, who is most likely Sarah Trail's brother. Both are probably children of Thomas Trail. Also, it seems to fit the M.O. The Trail's and the Terry's were millers. They married later in life. Many members of these families migrated north to Mercer Co., West VA. I could always find marriage records for the Trail's and Allen's in either Floyd or Franklin. I didn't see anything for John Terry and Nancy Graley. Judging by the age of her oldest child in 1850, I would guess they would have been married around 1836. I know some other couples who I can't find any marriage record for around then. I think some were lost. Good luck. I will let you know if I find anything. Linda Jo Groton, MA [email protected] Subject: Shooting & Runnet Bag creek people Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:46:44 EDT Hey all, Are any of you Shooting and Runnet Bag Creek people familiar with any Graley, Trail, or Terry persons from ca. 1800-1860? These are my groups in that area. John Terry (b. Buckingham Co., ca. 1790) came to the area (ca.1830?) and married Nancy Graley (b. 1815). He was a blacksmith and miller (according to the census) and died in the 1860s. He was a lot older than she was. She moved with her children to Monroe Co. after he died, where they were living in 1870. I think he may have been the son of a Joseph Terry, Rev.War vet, but I have no documentation. I'm fairly certain she was the daughter of James Graley and Sarah Trail. I really need information other than census data, such as deeds and such, that might give me clues or specific facts that I cannot find elsewhere. Any information would be appreciated. Charles

Do you happen to have a William Starkey? Dean Burson

Dear Bob: There are two Irene's on the list. I don't have any Rakes relations, so it must be the other Irene. I'm sure if you contact the list you can get in touch with the other one. Irene -----Original Message----- From: Bob Soyars [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 11:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Re: Rakes Irene, My grandmother was a Rakes and I have a large number of ancestor Rakes in my files, but have no Sarah Jane Rakes, Charles and Julia Rakes that I can find. I'll bet they are related somewhere. If you ever find some more ancestors of Sarah Rakes let us know because they may be connected to my line. Bob irene wrote: >My gg grandmother was Sarah Jane Rakes, daughter of Charles and Julia Rakes. I have no other info on the Rakes family. She married my gg grandfather James P. Scott Had brothers Charles, David and John. Sarah Jane was born 1864, married James P. Scott 1879. My father only spoke of two children , his father William Jackson Garfield Scott and an uncle Milton. However, there apprears to have been two other children, Mary A. E. and brother Calvin Scott, born between the two children William and Milton. Does anyone have knowledge of this family? I do know that the did not live together in the later years,. don't know that they ever divorced. Thanks for any help. Irene Scott Brown, Tampa Bay, FL----- > > >==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== >Please Visit the Franklin Co. Web Site >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/franklin.htm > > > > ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== Please Visit the Franklin Co. Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/franklin.htm

Hi, Carrie, See MOORE, Mae DILLON, *DILLON/DILLION and Allied Families Volume III*, pp. 1699-1700, a family group sheet for Meshack PERDUE and wife Eleanor (Nellie) DILLON. Their youngest son Obediah, b. 1804, m1st Temperance DILLON, and m2nd Catherine DILLON, beside both is the notation, "dau. of William DILLON & wife Frances BLANKENSHIP." At the bottom of the page is a photo of the tombstone which states "IN MEMORY OF MASHACK PERDEW DIED 1836 AGED 80". At least, that's what I read it to be. There are other pages on which William and Frances BLANKENSHIP DILLON are mentioned. If you think it will be helpful, I'll go through the other pages and see if I find anything different, but not today... up to my ears! The three books were published posthumously within the last few years documenting Mae MOORE's research on the DILLON/DILLION families of Franklin CoVA. References are included. If you can't find a set to purchase, you might be able to borrow one from InterLibraryLoan through your local library (I'm assuming they don't have it on their shelves). Carolyn HALE BRUCE Co-author of Rebel King, Hammer of the Scots and Rebel King, The Har'ships See our site at www.RebelKing.com Coming April 1st: VIRGINIANA, A Visitors' Guide to Virginia History & Other Stuff See our site at www.virginianabooks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: william & carrie hoffert To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:27 PM Subject: [VAFRANKL] Franklin county Families I am trying to gain info for; My family names from Franklin Co, Va are as follows; let me know if you have any connections. Wray/Ray, Dillon/Dillion/Dillen, Blankenship, Shy/Shye, Harrison & Poteet. I do need some info from Franklin Co, Va.....if anyone has access to records that may fill in some of the missing info I would be most appreciative. I have included the actual marriage date if known or an approximant year if unknown. in the 1700s Benjamin O. Wray/Ray and Susannah Poteet abt 1777 William Poteet & Keziah/Kisia (?) abt 1760/62 Moses Wray/Ray & Elizabeth Morris abt 1755 Daniel Morris and Tabitha (?) abt 1734 William Dillon and Frances "Fannie" Blankenship 28 Jul 1790 James William Dillon and Permelia "Mary" (?) abt 1745/50 in the 1800s Edward Shy and Elizabeth Wray/Ray 18 Sep 1810 (minister William Turner) I would like to find any info that would lead me to Edward's parents or siblings. William Henry Harrison and Sina/Sarina Dillon 23 Oct 1826 I would like to find any info that would lead me to William's parents or siblings. Thanks to everyone taking your time to do any lookups and PLEASE contact me if you are connected to any of the persons listed. I do own resources available for lookups in Amherst Co, Va and will post those after April 15th on this list. We are currently packing to move to Raleigh, NC and I will not be available for lookups until about the 21st.....so I will post the titles I own for Amherst and Maryland right after we settle in. Cheers, Carrie Bias Hoffert ==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== Please Visit the Franklin Co. Web Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/franklin.htm

My family names from Franklin Co, Va are as follows; let me know if you have any connections. Wray/Ray, Dillon/Dillion/Dillen, Blankenship, Shy/Shye, Harrison & Poteet. I do need some info from Franklin Co, Va.....if anyone has access to records that may fill in some of the missing info I would be most appreciative. I have included the actual marriage date if known or an approximant year if unknown. in the 1700s Benjamin O. Wray/Ray and Susannah Poteet abt 1777 William Poteet & Keziah/Kisia (?) abt 1760/62 Moses Wray/Ray & Elizabeth Morris abt 1755 Daniel Morris and Tabitha (?) abt 1734 William Dillon and Frances "Fannie" Blankenship 28 Jul 1790 James William Dillon and Permelia "Mary" (?) abt 1745/50 in the 1800s Edward Shy and Elizabeth Wray/Ray 18 Sep 1810 (minister William Turner) I would like to find any info that would lead me to Edward's parents or siblings. William Henry Harrison and Sina/Sarina Dillon 23 Oct 1826 I would like to find any info that would lead me to William's parents or siblings. Thanks to everyone taking your time to do any lookups and PLEASE contact me if you are connected to any of the persons listed. I do own resources available for lookups in Amherst Co, Va and will post those after April 15th on this list. We are currently packing to move to Raleigh, NC and I will not be available for lookups until about the 21st.....so I will post the titles I own for Amherst and Maryland right after we settle in. Cheers, Carrie Bias Hoffert

Irene, My grandmother was a Rakes and I have a large number of ancestor Rakes in my files, but have no Sarah Jane Rakes, Charles and Julia Rakes that I can find. I'll bet they are related somewhere. If you ever find some more ancestors of Sarah Rakes let us know because they may be connected to my line. Bob irene wrote: >My gg grandmother was Sarah Jane Rakes, daughter of Charles and Julia Rakes. I have no other info on the Rakes family. She married my gg grandfather James P. Scott Had brothers Charles, David and John. Sarah Jane was born 1864, married James P. Scott 1879. My father only spoke of two children , his father William Jackson Garfield Scott and an uncle Milton. However, there apprears to have been two other children, Mary A. E. and brother Calvin Scott, born between the two children William and Milton. Does anyone have knowledge of this family? I do know that the did not live together in the later years,. don't know that they ever divorced. Thanks for any help. Irene Scott Brown, Tampa Bay, FL----- > > >==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== >Please Visit the Franklin Co. Web Site >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/franklin.htm > > > >

I just found some archived messages from Neva & Carolyn discussing Nancy CANNADAY who married 1st, John WARD, and 2nd, James ALLEN. I happened to have a William ALLEN deed with all of their names in it, so I transcribed it. Don't know if it will be of any help, or if you already have it. I am stuck on a very old computer, so I don't know if this will come through looking like anything. I transcribed the deed from a photocopy. I did the best I could, not being an expert. I capitalized the last names so they would be easy to read. I tried not to change any spelling or punctuation, such as "[email protected]" this is the way it looked. Obviously, it means, "called." Deed Book 6, Pages 279, 280 Grantee: William ALLEN Grantors: James ALLEN and Nancy his wife William WARD George NEVELLE and his wife Elizabeth NEVELLE Daniel WARD Polly WARD This Indenture made this 19th day of October in the year One thousand Eight hundred & Eleven Between James ALLEN & Nancy his wife, William WARD, George NEVELLE & Elizabeth his wife late Elizabeth WARD, Daniel WARD & Polly WARD By their attorney in fact James ALLEN (as appears of Record in the County Court of Wayne & State of Kentucky) all of the County of Wayne & State of Kentucky of the one part and William ALLEN of the County of Franklin & State of Virginia of the other part (witnesseth) the said James ALLEN & Nancy his wife, William WARD, George Nevelle and Elizabeth his wife, late Elizabeth WARD, Daniel WARD & Polly WARD, for & in the consideration of the sum of one hundred pounds current money of Virginia to them in hand paid by the said William ALLEN the receph? Whereof ?we? hereby acknowledge have Bargained & Sold, aliened & Confirmed & by these presents doth grant, bargain, sell, aleve & confirm unto the said William ALLEN his heirs & assigns for ever all that Track! or Tracks of Land Containing about one hundred seventy acres situate lying & being in the County of Franklin and State of Virginia lying on the waters of SMITHS RIVER being the same John WARD, died, seized, and possessed, and bounded as followeth (to wih?, Beginning on Spanish Oak, on branch thence, straight line to a gum on the Creek [email protected] ROARING RUN thence up the same to a Sugar Tree at the mouth of a Small branch thence up the same to Mahogany Tree thence Crossing the Road Spur? To Hickry thence crossing Two branches to large Poplar on Small Branch thence down the same to large branch thence down the same to Buck Eye thence crossing two ridges & Small branch to Locust Tree at the head of Small branch thence down the same to Spanish Oak the the mouth, thence down large branch to the Beginning, To have and to hold the aforesaid Tracks land with all ther appurtenances thereunto belonging unto the said William ALLEN his heirs and assigns forever and the said James ALLEN & ! Nancy his wife, William WARD, George NEVELLE & Elizabeth his wife, Dan iel WARD & Polly WARD, By their attorney in fact, James ALLEN for themselves and their heirs do covenant, to and with the said William ALLEN, his heirs and assigns that they the said James ALLEN & Nancy his wife, William WARD, George NEVELLE & Elizabeth his wife late Elizabeth WARD, Daniel WARD & Polly WARD By their attorney in fact James ALLEN and their heirs shall and will warrant and defend the title to the said Tracks _land against the claim of all Persons whosoever In witness whereof the said James ALLEN and Nancy his wife, William WARD, George NEVELLE & Elizabeth his wife, Daniel WARD and Polly WARD, By their attorney in fact; James ALLEN have hereunto set their hands and affixed their seals this day and year first above written ---- Sighned, Sealed & Delivered James x Allen SEAL in the presents of us Nancy x Allen SEAL Dan Smith James Allen attorney in fact for William Ward SEAL Peter Saunders ?Sr.? James Allen attorney in fact for George Nevelle SEAL James x Canady Sr. James Allen attorney in fact for Elizabeth Nevelle SEAL Saml x Williams James Allen attorney in fact for Daniel Ward SEAL William x Allen James Allen attorney in fact for Polly Ward SEAL At a court held for Franklin County November 4th, 1811 This indenture of Bargain and Sale between James ALLEN and Nancy his wife, and the said James ALLEN attorney in fact for William WARD, George NEVELLE, Elizabeth NEVELLE, Daniel WARD & Polly WARD, of the one part, and William ALLEN of the other part, was proved by the oath of Samuel WILLIAMS, one of the witnesses hereto, and at a Court held for Franklin County April 6th, 1812. The said Indenture was further proved by the oath of James CANADY Sr. and William ALLEN, two of the other witnesses hereto, and ordered to be recorded ? Teste, James CALLAWAY C.F.C.

Hey all, Are any of you Shooting and Runnet Bag Creek people familiar with any Graley, Trail, or Terry persons from ca. 1800-1860? These are my groups in that area. John Terry (b. Buckingham Co., ca. 1790) came to the area (ca.1830?) and married Nancy Graley (b. 1815). He was a blacksmith and miller (according to the census) and died in the 1860s. He was a lot older than she was. She moved with her children to Monroe Co. after he died, where they were living in 1870. I think he may have been the son of a Joseph Terry, Rev.War vet, but I have no documentation. I'm fairly certain she was the daughter of James Graley and Sarah Trail. I really need information other than census data, such as deeds and such, that might give me clues or specific facts that I cannot find elsewhere. Any information would be appreciated. Charles

Barb Have you considered posting all of the records from your grandfather's calendar to the Franklin County website on Rootsweb.com. That way records would be available on an ongoing basis to anyone who is researching for connections in Franklin Co. Your records are quite unique, if you were to include a short note about the origin of the records, your grandfather's recording them on a calendar, most people would enjoy the insight into the times and methods used prior to the computer age. Those are the tidbits that really flesh out the names of the persons that many of us never had the opportunity to know much about. Just a thought, but it would be great if you have the time. Carrie -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Stanley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAFRANKL] Rakes on Shooting Creek Lane - thanks very much - I didn't have their marriage date. Barb S. ---------- At 09:26 PM 3/21/2005 -0600, you wrote: >After reading the recent postings on Nervie Rakes from Shooting Creek, I happened upon a note which my Grandpa, Jim Goode Hash, recorded on his calendar. On October 10, 1909, he wrote: "J.E. Meador was married to Nerve Rakes." Although he did not say that he married them, his notes like this were usually about ones which he performed. > >Lane > > >==== VAFRANKL Mailing List ==== >Please Visit the Franklin Co. Web Site ><http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/franklin.htm>http://www.rootsweb.com/~v afrankl/franklin.htm >

In a message dated 4/1/05 11:57:01 PM, [email protected] writes: << So is Runnet Bag on that side or am I going to have to resort to researching it myself? >> I have NOT looked at map, but for some reason (past lifetime?) I think Runnet Bag is either either west or mor NW part of Franklin...Callaway/Endicott area perhaps? now to the map..... me