In a message dated 06/11/2000 10:53:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hlloyd@mindspring.com writes: << Searching the archives at William and Mary, I came across a great story about "Potato Bin" Woodson. Briefly, the story goes something like this. (If anyone has the published version and will share it, please do so.) In 1644 during the Indian massacres at settlements along the James River, two of the Woodson sons survived. One of them survived (my ancestor) by hiding in a wooden potato bin. He was about 9 years old. He was subsequently adopted by another family in the area, (perhaps the Ferris's of Curles Neck.) Since that event, he was called Potato Bin Woodson. Anyone have anything more on this? >> The other brother was supposedly hidden under a wash tub and was known as "Wash Tub Woodson" - some descendants on the Woodson lists refer to themselves as Potato Bin or Wash Tub Woodsons even today. The Indians were allegedly run off by Sarah and a handy man who lived on the farm. The story says that Sarah beaned one Indian who came down the chimney with her skillet, and shot several with a gun now on display at the Va Historical Society. Said gun has been proven to have been made at least 100 years after the attack. Makes a good yarn though ... Dr John was killed in this same raid while returning home from treating someone. I think that's the basic story - I'm sure I have th published version around here somewhere. Bev

Michele, Thanks for info on Jesse Woodson James as well as Frank. Have always wondered what if any the connection to the Woodson Family could be. I had told someone else recently that I belong to the SAR Chapter here in Austin, TX. Sometime within the last year we had as one of our meetings the past Attorney General of Texas who was representing the person in this area who was a descended of Jesse and was having a grave dug up to see if he were buried in Texas as many thought. I don't suppose you would know anything about my GGGG Grandmother Susanna Woodson who married William Bugg in Fluvanna Co? There seems to be no record of their marriage, nor who her parents were. Can you help? William died Fluvanna Co., in 1796. Their son Woodson Bugg is line of descent , then his son Jesse Woodson, his son William Cannon. For those of you connected to the Woodson Family, do you think you know all about Jesse Woodson of Buckingham Co? Not much is said about him in the William and Mary Quarterlies. (Dick) Richard Reudien Bugg

Jesse Woodson James received his middle name of his great -grandmother, Elizabeth Woodson, who married Robert Poor in the 1700's. Frank James chose to use his great-grandmother's maiden name, Woodson as an alias. During his years in Nashville, TN Frank sued the name Ben. J. Woodson. Michèle When answering, please leave original message along with all replies to jog my memory. WW2 War Brides Experience http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710/WarBrides.html KIDD KONNECTIONS: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710 THOMAS FAMILY GENEALOGY: http://members.tripod.com/~genealogy_thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: Ms2001@aol.com To: VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday 10 June 2000 13:17 Subject: Re: [VAFLUVAN] Woodson In a message dated 06/10/2000 1:26:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cookmmc@iamerica.net writes: << Did you people know that the outlaw Jesse James was a descendant of Dr. John Woodson? In fact his middle name was Woodson. He was also a Mims descendant...twice. Charlie >> For those of you who do not have this lineage - here it is as far as I know it. Bev James Family William James probably born 1754 in Pembrokeshire, Wales m Mary Hines on 15 July 1774 in Hanover Co., Va Ch: John James b 1775 d 1827 m. 26 Mar 1807 Mary "Polly" Poor Nancy Ann James b 24 Feb 1777 m. David Hodges, 21 Dec 1799 Mary James m Edward Lee, 22 Dec 1796 William James, Jr. b 27 Apr 1782 d. 1807 Richard James m. Mary G. Poor 18 Dec 1813 Thomas James b 14 Dec 1783 m. Mary B. Davis 3 Sept 1834 Martin James b. 1789 d 1867 m. Elizabeth Key 21 Nov 1825 John James and Mary Poor left Va in 1811 for Logan Co, Ky. First child born in Va - rest in Ky. Shadrack Mimms b 1734 d 1777 m1 - Mary Allen 3 Feb 1754 m2 - Elizabeth Woodson ch: Elizabeth Mimms b 3 Apr 1769 d 1823 m. Robert Poor, 7 Feb 1789 ch: Mary (Polly) Poor b 1790 d 1827 m John M. James, Va 26 March 1807 Ch of John James and Mary Poor: Mary James b 28 Sept 1809 d 23 July 1877 m. John Mimms (cousin) 1827 William James b 11 Sept 1811 d 14 Nov 1895 m1. Mary Ann Varble 2 Dec 1843 m2. Mary Ann Gibson Marsh 24 Apr 1865 John R. James b 15 FEb 1815 d 25 Oct 1887 m1 Amanda Polly Williams 1 Sep 1836 m2 Emily Bradley 1872 Elizabeth James b 25 Nov 1816 d 2 Nov 1904 m Tillman Howard West 1837 Robert Sallee James b 17 July 1818 d 18 Aug 1850 (Calif) m. Zerelda Cole, Ky, 28 Dec 1841 Nancy Gardner James b 13 Sept 1821 d 1875 m. George B Hite 7 May 1841 Thomas Martin James b 8 Apr 1823 d 25 Dec 1903 m Susan S. Woodward, Goochland Co, Va Drury Woodson James b 14 Nov 1826 D 1 July 1910, Calif m. Mary Louisa Dunn, 15 Sept 1861 Robert Sallee James and Zerelda Cole married in Ky then moved to Missouri. ch: Alexander Franklin James b. 10 Jan 1843 d 15 Feb 1915 m. Anna Ralston June 1874 Robert R. James b 19 July 1845 d. 21 Aug 1845 Jesse Woodson James b 5 Sept 1847 d 4 Apr 1882 m. Zerelda Amanda Mimms (cousin) 24 Apr 1872 Susan Lavenia James b 25 Nov 1849 d 3 mar 1889 m. Allen H. Parmer 24 Nov 1870 Zerelda Cole's lineage - John Cole - Pa native - m. Susanna (?) died in Culpeper Co., Va in 1757 and his wife in 1761. ch: Richard Cole, Sr. b 1729 (Pa) d. 21 Nov 1814 (Ky) m1. Ann Hubbard 1762 m2 Emsey Margaret James 21 July 1795 in Ky ch: John Cole m Nancy Hines Richard Cole Jr b 23 Apr 1763 d 9 July 1839 m. Sally Yates Jesse Cole m1 Nancy Sparks m2 Elizabeth Roberts m3 Elizabeth Hyatt Rachael Cole b 1760 d 1840 m Willa Jett Betsy Cole m Mr. Snape Agnes Cole Sallie Cole m Benjamin Graves Alsey Alice Cole b 20 June 1769 d 7 July 1813 m Anthony Lindsay Jr Lucy Cole m Jonathan Cropper Richard Cole and Sallie Yates children: WIlliam Yates Cole b 16 Sept 1788 d 19 June 1823 Mary (Polly) Cole b 1792 m Elijah Finnie, 18 July 1806 Elizabeth Cole m Thomas Martin 23 April 1814 Sally Cole b 24 July 1807 m Henry B. Lewis Jesse Cole b 21 May 1793 d 3 Aug 1833 Amos Cole b Feb 1798 d 12 may 1827 (killed in a Cole Tavern fight) James Cole b 8 Sept 1804 d 27 Feb 1827 m. Sallie Lindsay (first cousin d/o Anthony LIndsay and Alsey Cole) James Cole and Sallie Lindsay ch: Zerelda Cole b 29 Jan 1825 (Woodford Co KY) d 10 Feb 1911 m1. Robert Sallie James 28 Dec 1841 m2. Benjamin Simms 30 Sept 1852 m3. Dr. Reuben Samuel 25 Sept 1855 Jesse Richard Cole b 29 Nov 1826 d. 16 Nov 1895 (Clay Co, Mo) m. Louisa G. Maret 26 Dec 1846

In a message dated 06/10/2000 1:26:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cookmmc@iamerica.net writes: << Did you people know that the outlaw Jesse James was a descendant of Dr. John Woodson? In fact his middle name was Woodson. He was also a Mims descendant...twice. Charlie >> For those of you who do not have this lineage - here it is as far as I know it. Bev James Family William James probably born 1754 in Pembrokeshire, Wales m Mary Hines on 15 July 1774 in Hanover Co., Va Ch: John James b 1775 d 1827 m. 26 Mar 1807 Mary "Polly" Poor Nancy Ann James b 24 Feb 1777 m. David Hodges, 21 Dec 1799 Mary James m Edward Lee, 22 Dec 1796 William James, Jr. b 27 Apr 1782 d. 1807 Richard James m. Mary G. Poor 18 Dec 1813 Thomas James b 14 Dec 1783 m. Mary B. Davis 3 Sept 1834 Martin James b. 1789 d 1867 m. Elizabeth Key 21 Nov 1825 John James and Mary Poor left Va in 1811 for Logan Co, Ky. First child born in Va - rest in Ky. Shadrack Mimms b 1734 d 1777 m1 - Mary Allen 3 Feb 1754 m2 - Elizabeth Woodson ch: Elizabeth Mimms b 3 Apr 1769 d 1823 m. Robert Poor, 7 Feb 1789 ch: Mary (Polly) Poor b 1790 d 1827 m John M. James, Va 26 March 1807 Ch of John James and Mary Poor: Mary James b 28 Sept 1809 d 23 July 1877 m. John Mimms (cousin) 1827 William James b 11 Sept 1811 d 14 Nov 1895 m1. Mary Ann Varble 2 Dec 1843 m2. Mary Ann Gibson Marsh 24 Apr 1865 John R. James b 15 FEb 1815 d 25 Oct 1887 m1 Amanda Polly Williams 1 Sep 1836 m2 Emily Bradley 1872 Elizabeth James b 25 Nov 1816 d 2 Nov 1904 m Tillman Howard West 1837 Robert Sallee James b 17 July 1818 d 18 Aug 1850 (Calif) m. Zerelda Cole, Ky, 28 Dec 1841 Nancy Gardner James b 13 Sept 1821 d 1875 m. George B Hite 7 May 1841 Thomas Martin James b 8 Apr 1823 d 25 Dec 1903 m Susan S. Woodward, Goochland Co, Va Drury Woodson James b 14 Nov 1826 D 1 July 1910, Calif m. Mary Louisa Dunn, 15 Sept 1861 Robert Sallee James and Zerelda Cole married in Ky then moved to Missouri. ch: Alexander Franklin James b. 10 Jan 1843 d 15 Feb 1915 m. Anna Ralston June 1874 Robert R. James b 19 July 1845 d. 21 Aug 1845 Jesse Woodson James b 5 Sept 1847 d 4 Apr 1882 m. Zerelda Amanda Mimms (cousin) 24 Apr 1872 Susan Lavenia James b 25 Nov 1849 d 3 mar 1889 m. Allen H. Parmer 24 Nov 1870 Zerelda Cole's lineage - John Cole - Pa native - m. Susanna (?) died in Culpeper Co., Va in 1757 and his wife in 1761. ch: Richard Cole, Sr. b 1729 (Pa) d. 21 Nov 1814 (Ky) m1. Ann Hubbard 1762 m2 Emsey Margaret James 21 July 1795 in Ky ch: John Cole m Nancy Hines Richard Cole Jr b 23 Apr 1763 d 9 July 1839 m. Sally Yates Jesse Cole m1 Nancy Sparks m2 Elizabeth Roberts m3 Elizabeth Hyatt Rachael Cole b 1760 d 1840 m Willa Jett Betsy Cole m Mr. Snape Agnes Cole Sallie Cole m Benjamin Graves Alsey Alice Cole b 20 June 1769 d 7 July 1813 m Anthony Lindsay Jr Lucy Cole m Jonathan Cropper Richard Cole and Sallie Yates children: WIlliam Yates Cole b 16 Sept 1788 d 19 June 1823 Mary (Polly) Cole b 1792 m Elijah Finnie, 18 July 1806 Elizabeth Cole m Thomas Martin 23 April 1814 Sally Cole b 24 July 1807 m Henry B. Lewis Jesse Cole b 21 May 1793 d 3 Aug 1833 Amos Cole b Feb 1798 d 12 may 1827 (killed in a Cole Tavern fight) James Cole b 8 Sept 1804 d 27 Feb 1827 m. Sallie Lindsay (first cousin d/o Anthony LIndsay and Alsey Cole) James Cole and Sallie Lindsay ch: Zerelda Cole b 29 Jan 1825 (Woodford Co KY) d 10 Feb 1911 m1. Robert Sallie James 28 Dec 1841 m2. Benjamin Simms 30 Sept 1852 m3. Dr. Reuben Samuel 25 Sept 1855 Jesse Richard Cole b 29 Nov 1826 d. 16 Nov 1895 (Clay Co, Mo) m. Louisa G. Maret 26 Dec 1846

Did you people know that the outlaw Jesse James was a descendant of Dr. John Woodson? In fact his middle name was Woodson. He was also a Mims descendant...twice. Charlie

Please let's not perpetuate this discussion on the Fluvanna list - I'm here to learn about my ancestors and not to be educated on Native American issues... Louise

In a message dated 06/06/2000 11:03:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mthomas@mail.win.org writes: << I hear that sons had to move away just to find a wife, since so many in Fluvanna families were related. Is that true, Gary? >> So what's WRONG with a family tree that doesn't branch??? It makes research so much easier! ;-) Bev

Hi Peg, I hear that sons had to move away just to find a wife, since so many in Fluvanna families were related. Is that true, Gary? Michèle When answering, please leave original message along with all replies to jog my memory. WW2 War Brides Experience http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710/WarBrides.html KIDD KONNECTIONS: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710 THOMAS FAMILY GENEALOGY: http://members.tripod.com/~genealogy_thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: Peggy Janke To: VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday 5 June 2000 22:38 Subject: Re: [VAFLUVAN] Descendants of John Woodson Ok children. It appears that we do not have any forum moderators here to stop you two (you (and we) know who you are). You both have very valid points. However, the points you are trying to make are not specific to Fluvanna County. Instead of attempting to convince the entire Fluvanna list (and the world?) that you have the only "correct" version of history, how about telling me more about my Fluvanna ancestors? Or, I could tell you about my Pop. My Pop (Stanford Tutwiler Johnson), who was born in Fluvanna in 1914, used to say that Fluvanna was so poor that the crows had to pack a lunch when they were going to fly over the county. Peg Oh yea, I think I am a Anderson/Woodson descendent too. At least I think I want to claim them.

Deanna Please send your reading list or post it in the archives. You are correct in stating that our ancestors simply came here and settled without consulting the local inhabitants. Since the native americans did not have a concept of land ownership, I doubt that they were defending their country. More likely, they were angry about the disrespect for land and the bringing in of diseases against which they had no natural defenses. What do you think? Virginia Professionals Service 105 South Pantops Drive, Suite A-3 Charlottesville, VA., 22911 Ph: 804 295-5665 hlloyd@mindspring.com http://www.LaPage.com/arr

Apparently I've been offensive, and I didn't mean to. This started with interpretation of words used. What I submitted was meant to be a "light" response, not "cutesie", and apparently I didn't do it well. I hereby publicly apologize to Deanna, particularly for it being brought back to this forum when she didn't want that. We don't disagree as much as she thinks we do. I respect her and her ancestry. I certainly didn't know that she descended from the people who resided here before the white men came when I joked that "My ancestors cud whup yurs." I use that perhaps tired quip to a lot of genealogists. I certainly wouldn't have used it there if I had been better informed. Gee, I've never been flamed before. With respect, Charlie

Ok children. It appears that we do not have any forum moderators here to stop you two (you (and we) know who you are). You both have very valid points. However, the points you are trying to make are not specific to Fluvanna County. Instead of attempting to convince the entire Fluvanna list (and the world?) that you have the only "correct" version of history, how about telling me more about my Fluvanna ancestors? Or, I could tell you about my Pop. My Pop (Stanford Tutwiler Johnson), who was born in Fluvanna in 1914, used to say that Fluvanna was so poor that the crows had to pack a lunch when they were going to fly over the county. Peg Oh yea, I think I am a Anderson/Woodson descendent too. At least I think I want to claim them.

Hey Bev! Yes, we corresponded some years ago regarding the Andersons. It led to your going to the library at Richmond to check out the Anderson Papers that I told you about...after you're having previously research Anderson without any indication of the paper's existence. Seems that you told me that when you told them about it, they had a heck of time finding them. I think I dropped you a brief note via email a few months back to see if Bev wuz you. My connection to Anderson is through Elizabeth Gardner Anderson, who m. Minor Winn. Regards, Charlie Ms2001@aol.com wrote: > Charles - > > Are you connected to George Anderson who married Frances Woodson - d/o John > and Frances Woodson? > > Bev

I forgot, I'll look through my material to see if I see anything regarding Mary. I admit I have yet to work out on lines not of my direct ancestral families. Charlie

Hello Catherine, If you descend from any of the Goochland/Fluvanna Woodsons you surely must be also descend from Dr. John. The key to attaching to that line is usually through Benjamin Woodson and his number of sons. The Woodson and Anderson families are among the most extensively researched of Virginia. The problem is usually that there were so many of them. If you can tie to Benjamin it's like getting on an interstate highway back to Dr. John...lots of published material. Charles M. Cook

I am looking for my ggrandmother, Mary Woodson, b. about 1822 in Fluvanna Co and d. 07-17-1877 in Antioch VA, homeplace burial ground in Fluvanna Co. (daughter of Thomas A. Woodson) who married July 26, 1842 in Fluvanna Co to John Thomas. Kent, b. 1820 and died bet 1877 and 1882 while visiting his daughter in Goochland Co, VA). The Kent family had lived in Fluvanna Co for generations. One of my sources says that she was a descendant of one Dr. John Woodson, b. 1583 who was killed in the Indian Massacre of 1622. It seems that Mary Woodson, wife of John T. Kent and her sister Martha Woodson and their brothers, Richard, John and Thomas Woodson, Jr., were orphans of Thomas A. Woodson. I am trying to confirm her connection to Dr. John Woodson. Regards, Catherine Kent Walker

Dear Ms. Deanna, First, let me say that I too believe that the manner in which the so called Native Americans, equaled only by the practice of slavery, is the worst facet of our history. I appreciate your opinion and input. Since your message to me was a response to a statement made in public forum, I hope you don't mind my returning this discussion there. I'm sure you thought it might be off topic. I do not. What happened in early recorded Virginia history helped shape that state as well as the rest of the United States. My problem is that I am shackled with using the English language. Webster's Dictionary says that immigrate is a word meaning "to come into a country of which one is not native, for permanent residence". It gives the definition of the word attack as:" to fall upon with force; to assault". These were not words used incorrectly. John Woodson was dead, the ultimate assault. Now, note that it hasn't been said the attack was without cause. Were I among the people living in Virginia when the white man arrived, I would have been among the war party. To say that Woodson personally attacked, would be using incorrect words. He was a medical doctor, charged with saving lives. He had a wife and young children. He, along with all but the few soldiers there at that time, was completely disarmed. The right to bear arms was not brought over from England. Englishmen didn't have that right in those days. After the first massacre at James Town, the crown was petitioned for weapons for self protection. These were placed in an armory, to be drawn in case of trouble. When the second massacre occurred, no one had time to get from their farms to the armory. Then the settlers were allowed to bring them home. An armed populace was a rare thing in the world. That moment in history is how Americans gained the right to bear arms, and they've never relinquished it. I don't own a gun. I don't even like them, but I would defend to the death, the right to have one. My late kinsman, Ben C. McCary, who was on the facility at William and Mary, "wrote the book" on the early Virginia inhabitants of Va. There is even an prehistoric archaeological site named for him. I have also seen Roundtree's book. It makes it point, but is as biased as the other side. Political correctness is the McCarthyism of the new century...big brother, thought control. Certainly we need to be more aware of the feelings of others. I'm old, not chronologically impaired; balding, not follicle impaired, and my hearing isn't what it used to be...the beginning of deafness. Never mind the glasses. No cute replacement of theses standard English words will change that. Feelings and thought cannot be legislated. Call an elephant a cat and it still can't climb trees. Genealogists are collectors. We collect dead people. Like most collection hobbies, it is more fun to get them than to have them. We just want to know who, when, where, and what kind of people they were. We don't judge them. Who ever they were what ever they were. We just record. We wouldn't exist except for them. Furthermore my ancestors cud whup yurs. :-) Charlie

In a message dated 06/05/2000 6:40:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cookmmc@iamerica.net writes: > Dear Ms. Deanna, > First, let me say that I too believe that the manner in which the so > called Native Americans, equaled only by the practice of slavery, is the > worst facet of our history. I appreciate your opinion and input. > > Since your message to me was a response to a statement made in public > forum, I hope you don't mind my returning this discussion there. I'm > sure you thought it might be off topic. I do not. What happened in > early recorded Virginia history helped shape that state as well as the > rest of the United States. Actually, that wasn't why I replied privately, Charlie. It was because I've been taught it is the mannerly thing to do. Correction is something to be done in private. Nor would I consider taking private mail public. Different cultures, I suppose. As yours is the "dominant" one, I'll try to play by your rules, for a short time. . > My problem is that I am shackled with using the English language. > Webster's Dictionary says that immigrate is a word meaning "to come into > a country of which one is not native, for permanent residence". It gives > the definition of the word attack as:" to fall upon with force; to > assault". These were not words used incorrectly. John Woodson was > dead, the ultimate assault. The English were not invited into this country, Charlie. They were invaders. You may call them "immigrants" (a neutral word, implying no conflict about their moving in) or "settlers" (which implies that they came to an uninhabited land, theirs for the taking) if you will. This is spin, and I believe you know it. In a contest of words, you will probably win, if you and Mr. Webster get to pick loaded words. > Now, note that it hasn't been said the attack was without cause. Were I > among the people living in Virginia when the white man arrived, I would > have been among the war party. To say that Woodson personally attacked, > would be using incorrect words. He was a medical doctor, charged with > saving lives. He had a wife and young children. He, along with all but > the few soldiers there at that time, was completely disarmed. The right > to bear arms was not brought over from England. Englishmen didn't have > that right in those days. They certainly didn't have the moral right to bear arms against the rightful inhabitants of this land, nor did they have the moral right to be here in the first place, so Dr. Woodson's profession is not the issue, and bearing guns isn't the issue. And the Indians had wives and young children too. You are good at this, though. It's probably fun for you. > After the first massacre at James Town, the crown was petitioned for > weapons for self protection. These were placed in an armory, to be > drawn in case of trouble. When the second massacre occurred, no one had > time to get from their farms to the armory. Then the settlers were > allowed to bring them home. An armed populace was a rare thing in the > world. That moment in history is how Americans gained the right to bear > arms, and they've never relinquished it. I don't own a gun. I don't > even like them, but I would defend to the death, the right to have one. Oh, I see. It's a massacre when the Indians win, right? When an entire Indian village was wiped out, which happened far more frequently, what is that? "Settling"? "Patriotism"? "A moment in history"? Needing guns to kill the rightful inhabitants of the land is something to be proud of for you. Okay, I accept that. It is a value of your culture. > My late kinsman, Ben C. McCary, who was on the facility at William and > Mary, "wrote the book" on the early Virginia inhabitants of Va. There > is even an prehistoric archaeological site named for him. I have also > seen Roundtree's book. It makes it point, but is as biased as the other > side. Roundtree (recently retired from the faculty of Old Domininon University) has written far more than just one book, Charlie, and she's still writing them. Working on one now, in fact. I have "seen" McCary's book too. By the way, did you know how William and Mary got its start as a school? Now there's a fun story that the trustees don't brag about. And can you, as a descendent of McCary, name the nation that defended themselves in the battle in which Woodson was killed? Or are we all just one lump sum of Indians to you? > Political correctness is the McCarthyism of the new century...big > brother, thought control. Certainly we need to be more aware of the > feelings of others. I'm old, not chronologically impaired; balding, not > follicle impaired, and my hearing isn't what it used to be...the > beginning of deafness. Never mind the glasses. No cute replacement of > theses standard English words will change that. Feelings and thought > cannot be legislated. Call an elephant a cat and it still can't climb > trees. Thank you, Andy Rooney. Dismiss us humorously as being "politically correct" if you will, Charlie, but we are not "Native Americans", we will not be patronized by you and your smiles and similes, and we will not sit quietly while you call your loaded phrases "standard English". We are the original nations of this land, and we're still here. > Genealogists are collectors. We collect dead people. Like most > collection hobbies, it is more fun to get them than to have them. We > just want to know who, when, where, and what kind of people they were. > We don't judge them. Who ever they were what ever they were. We just > record. We wouldn't exist except for them. Furthermore my ancestors > cud whup yurs. :-) Charlie Yes, and history is generally written by the conquerors, isn't it? I am not judging Dr. Woodson, or even the English, some of whom were also my ancestors. I am judging your cutesy dismissal of the genocide practiced on the Indians of Virginia. But you didn't get us all, Charlie. I respect your way with words; I am simply asking you to be accurate. Now, I didn't bring this here, and I would rather spend my time passing on bibliographies to those who have written me off list in response to your unasked-for publication of my private mail to you. So you may have the last public word, and I have a feeling you'll want it; it's a quality I've noticed in the dominant culture. I will respond to you further in private if you have the respect for me (and my race) to return this conversation to its private status. My apologies to the list for my participation in this, but I'm proud of being an Indian, and I won't let loaded words like "immigrant" "massacre" "settler" and "assault" pass without a quiet comment. Off list. Privately. The way I was taught. Deanna

Charles - Are you connected to George Anderson who married Frances Woodson - d/o John and Frances Woodson? Bev

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FE8DCBEC75953D49A049D44C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is a personal reply I got regarding my recent response to the sucession of Virginia Counties, and mention of Dr. John Woodson who was killed by Indians in the 1620's at James Town. Shortly, I will respond, in public forum. Charles M. Cook --------------FE8DCBEC75953D49A049D44C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <Deannamail@aol.com> Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.4]) by pop1.mail.iamworld.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-55689U25100L25100S0V35) with ESMTP id net for <cookmmc@iamerica.net>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:30:31 -0400 Received: from Deannamail@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id 6.98.5d481f6 (4561) for <cookmmc@iamerica.net>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:18:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Deannamail@aol.com Message-ID: <98.5d481f6.266c3dda@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:18:50 EDT Subject: Re: [VAFLUVAN] Sucession of counties To: cookmmc@iamerica.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 In a message dated 6/4/2000 18:49:35 Eastern Daylight Time, cookmmc@iamerica.net writes: << The Woodson line has been traced back to the immigrant, Dr. John Woodson who was killed in an Indian attack in the 1620's at James Town. >> With all due respect, Mr. Cook, if Dr. Woodson had truly been an "immigrant", he would not likely have been killed by the inhabitants of the land to which he was "immigrating". Dr. Woodson was one of the earlier English invaders, as the English did now own this country; they took it by force. He was killed in an Indian defense of their country. This is not "being politically correct"; this is, quite simply, the truth, which has been distorted for centuries (partly by the use of incorrect words) by the descendents of those invaders. Read Helen Rountree on the Indian nations of Virginia, if you want to learn more about why and how your ancestor died in the early years of the invasion; I have a reading list for anyone who is interested. Thanks for listening. Deanna --------------FE8DCBEC75953D49A049D44C--

Also, part of Goochland became part of present Fluvanna. The Woodsons lived in Goochland, as far as some early records are concerned. The Woodson line has been traced back to the immigrant, Dr. John Woodson who was killed in an Indian attack in the 1620's at James Town. Benjamin Woodson lived in the part of Goochland that became Fluvanna. They didn't move, the part of the county the lived in just became Fluvanna. Charlie Cook