Searching for siblings of Charles Byron Payne b. 12 Oct. 1863 Fluvana Co. Va. d. 2 Dec. 1948. Charles was my Grandfather any info on any brothers or sisters would be greatly appreciated. Purcell Clifton Payne Jr. (Cliff)

I am searching for information on Henry Clay Kidd, born 1871 (approximately) in Buckingham County. Resided in Appromattox County and Albemarle County. He was married to a Etta M. Wilkerson and a Beulah Biggerstaff. Would like any information anyone has on either of his wives also. Understand that Etta disappeared and was never heard from again. Was declared dead 7/27/1910(?). This is my great-grandfather and grandmothers. Would be greatful for any information. Will gladly share information that I have. Shirley Wyatt

Thought this would be of interest to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ariel7a@aol.com> To: <BAHAMAS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 7:07 PM Subject: Universal Family Tree > In a message dated 07/08/2000 1:04:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > GACHATHA-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > << > > NY Times, April 9, 2000 > > > > If Biology Is Ancestry, Are These People Related? > > > > By NICHOLAS WADE > > > > The crime scene was bare of clues. Even DNA fingerprinting scored > > no hits in the databases. The police had no leads. As a last resort, > > they sent a DNA sample to a private company -- which soon supplied > > the surname of the man who had left it. > > > > Science fiction as yet, but the company, Oxford Ancestors, exists and > > has applied for a patent on the idea of deriving surnames from DNA. Its > > founder, Dr. Bryan Sykes, is a geneticist at the University of Oxford in > > England who has made an intriguing discovery about English surnames: > > many of them once had a single bearer. > > > > Surnames came into use in England between 1250 and 1450, probably in > > connection with the development of inheritable property rights and > > trades. "The surname acted like documentation a time when they didn't > > have forms," said Dr. George Redmonds, a historian of place names and > > surnames. It is not known how many people took the same surname, but > > those based on common trades, like Smith, may have had many original > > owners. > > > > Dr. Sykes, who analyzes DNA to track ancient population changes, > > wondered if he could trace the origins of his own surname. The word > > comes from a type of moorland stream used to mark land boundaries. > > Genealogists expected that as a landscape feature it would have been > > adopted by many people in search of surnames. Nearly 10,000 Sykeses > > are registered as voters in the United Kingdom, many near the town of > > Huddersfield in Yorkshire. > > > > Dr. Sykes sent out letters to a random sample of his male namesakes, > > asking them to send him cells brushed from the inside cheek on a cotton > > swab. His interest lay in the subjects' Y chromosomes, which of course > > are bequeathed from father to son in the same pattern as surnames, > > except in the case of what geneticists delicately refer to as a > > "non-paternity event." > > > > Unlike the other chromosomes, the Y is transmitted unchanged and > > would remain identical from the Adams of the human race to all of their > > sons, except for the rare mutations or accidental changes that accumulate > > over the centuries. Because each lineage of Y chromosomes carries its > > own signature set of DNA changes, these mutations provide a perfect > > system for tracking male genealogies, and that is what Dr. Sykes looked > > for in the cotton swabs mailed back to him. > > > > Only one DNA signature was common among his namesakes' Y > > chromosomes, Dr. Sykes reports in the current issue of the American > > Journal of Human Genetics. This means there was only one original Mr. > > Sykes, at least as reflected in today's population. The first Sykeses on > > record lived in the 13th century in Flockton, Slaithwaite and > > Saddleworth, three villages close to Huddersfield. > > > > Sykeses who do not carry the genetic signature have presumably had a > > non-paternity event somewhere in their ancestry. In fact, 50 percent of > > the modern-day Sykeses did not have the signature. > > > > Despite appearances, this is a remarkable testimony to the fidelity of > > the > > Mrs. Sykeses of past centuries, because it amounts to a non-paternity > > rate of 1.3 percent per generation. The non-paternity rate in the present > > English population is conjectured to be between 2 percent and 5 percent. > > > > >From court records, it seems Dr. Sykes's ancestors, at least in the 14th > > century, were "quite a rough lot -- always being fined for cutting down > > trees and stealing sheep." > > > > "Nonetheless," Dr. Sykes said, "their wives were faithful through all > > this." > > > > Asked if he was a true Sykes or an out-of-wedlock Sykes, he replied, > > "I'm proud to say I have the aboriginal chromosome." > > > > Sykeses who live in the United States would not necessarily bear the > > original chromosome in the same proportion as their English cousins > > because the emigrants might not have been a representative sample, Dr. > > Sykes said. > > > > He has analyzed three other surnames in the same way and found that, as > > with the Sykeses, all can be traced to a single bearer of the family > > name. > > Even the ubiquitous Smiths and Clarks might trace their surnames to just > > a handful of very prolific early ancestors, not the hundreds that might > > be > > presumed, Dr. Sykes said. > > > > This suggests it would be feasible to construct a library of DNA > > signatures linked with English family names. The library could be used > > forensically to provide a surname that matched a DNA sample, and for > > genealogy. > > > > Dr. Redmonds, the historian, said a library of DNA matched to surnames > > would be useful in connecting branches of a family that lacked historical > > records to document their kinship. The library might be of particular > > interest, he said, to Americans of English ancestry seeking to identify > > their > > origins; their Y chromosomes might link them directly to the villages > > where the first bearers of their surnames once lived. > > > > "Bryan had no interest in genealogy whatsoever before this started," Dr. > > Redmonds said of his geneticist friend. "When I was able to take him to > > the precise place in Yorkshire where his ancestors came from, he was > > hooked." > > > > ==== BAHAMAS Mailing List ==== > If you have a problem email me > Listowner: revida@bellsouth.net Ida Louise Johnson > >

No new files were uploaded to the Fluvanna County Archives in June. However, you may still want to visit the site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/fluvanna.htm to see what has been previously uploaded. Won't you please consider preserving & sharing your treasured documents by submitting a transcription of your own? What a wonderful way to show pride in your heritage while insuring these resources will still be around for future generations! Any help you are able to provide would be deeply appreciated. Thank you, Jeannie Watts, archivist. ************* Now Available: "The Descendants of John Thomas Clay, Jamestown Immigrant and son of Sir John Clay of Wales" Also available: "The Descendants of James Bailey & Lucy Simms" For more info: http://www.trellis.net/users/madamx

Hi, This is about the funniest E-Mail joke I have seen in a long time. In fact it is just like the government to make things this difficult, IRS included. Dick

> > > >> >Subject: FHA loan > > > > > > > >This is an actual case (or so I'm told). > > > > A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client. He was told > >the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel > >of property being offered as collateral. The title to the property dated > >back to 1803, which took the lawyer 3 months to track down. > > > > After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following > >reply (actual letter): > > > > "Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan > application, > >we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we > >compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented an > >application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the > >proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval can be > >accorded, it will be necessary to clear title back to its origin." > > > > Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows (actual letter): > > > > "Your letter regarding title in Case 189156 has been received. I note > >that you wish to have title extended further than the 194 years covered by > >the present application. I was unaware that any educated person in this > >country, particularly those working in the property area, would not know > >that Louisiana was purchased by the U.S. from France in 1803, the year of > >origin identified in our application. For the edification of uninformed FHA > >bureaucrats, the title to land prior to U.S. ownership was obtained from > >France, which had acquired it by Right of Conquest from Spain. The land > came > >into possession of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the year 1492 by a > >sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege > >of seeking a new route to India by then reigning monarch, Isabella. The > good > >queen, being a pious woman and careful about titles, almost as much as the > >FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she > >sold her jewels to fund Columbus' expedition. Now the Pope, as I'm sure you > >know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God, > >it is commonly accepted, created this world. Therefore, I believe it is > safe > >to presume that He also made that part of the world called Louisiana. He, > >therefore, would be the owner of origin. I hope to hell you find His > >original claim to be satisfactory. Now, may we have our damn loan?" > > > > They got it. > > > > > > > > >

In a message dated 07/02/2000 6:49:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wreed1@san.rr.com writes: > The land came into possession of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the year > > 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the > privilege of seeking a new route to India by then reigning monarch, Isabella. Yep, and all kidding aside, if you believe that, I've got some land in England to sell you. I went there recently, and claimed it by Right of Discovery. I figure I have about as much right to claim it as the Spanish did any part of this hemisphere, or the English, French or Dutch, for that matter.... Deanna

Hi Albemarle researchers. I am seeking information on the family of Reuben B. Thomas. He was bc 1809 married Andelia Harden/Hardin. In 1860 a - ------------------------------------------------ (1) 1. Reuben B. Thomas (maybe related to my William Thomas of Fluvanna) Birth Date: About 1809 Birth Place: Virginia Spouse: Andelia Harden (Hardin) Birth Date: About 1815 Birth Place: Virginia Spouse Mother: Elizabeth Marriage Date: 8 Jun 1832 Marriage Place: Fluvanna Co., Virginia Children: Harden T.; Lucy M.; William; Elizabeth; Martha; Caroline; Hudson B.; Arthur; Amanda; Sarah; Joseph (2) 1.1 Harden T. Thomas Birth Date: 1833; Birth Place: Fluvanna Co., Virginia; Death Date: 12 May 1864 - ------------------------------------------------ (2) 1.4 Elizabeth Thomas ** married into my Hardin/Beal family. - ------------------------------------------------ Birth Date: 1843 Birth Place: Fluvanna Co., Virginia Death Date: Feb 1873 Death Place: Jackson Co., Missouri Burial Place: Woodlawn Cem., Jackson Co., Missouri Spouse: Hopkins "Hop" Hardin Jr.; (newphew to my Beal thru a sister)** Birth Date: 19 Sep 1838 Birth Place: Fluvanna Co., Virginia Death Date: 13 Feb 1926 Death Place: Independence, Jackson Co., Missouri Burial Place: Woodlawn Cem, Jackson Co., Missouri Spouse Father: Hopkins Hardin (1809-1896) Spouse Mother: Amanda Jane Beal (1810-1874) Marriage Date: 10 May 1871 Marriage Place: Fluvanna Co., Virginia Children: Sarah F. "Sallie" UNNAMED - ------------------------------------------------ In 1860 a young boy named James McLear was living with them and listed as farm labor. He is the son on Melinda Beal McLear. If you are researching this family, we might be able to link other family lines and solves some unanswer question. Michèle When answering, please leave original message along with all replies to jog my memory. WW2 War Brides Experience http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710/WarBrides.html KIDD KONNECTIONS: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710 THOMAS FAMILY GENEALOGY: http://members.tripod.com/~genealogy_thomas

Lee Kirtley, I had heard this information from someone before or maybe read it in Omohundro's book. I believe they use to refer to Albermarle as Big Albermarle before Fluvanna County was cut out of it. I have been told my GGGG Grandfather William Bugg was on the committee with Thomas Napier and others in forming the county. Richard Reudien Bugg

For successful genealogical research in Va, you MUST know the county formations! I took a class from a professional genealogist when I first got started and she told us that she chased one family through 5 counties and when she followed the land - they had never moved one inch from the original grant! Bev

I believe this same thing happened to some of the Thompson's, as they were there at the start and at the end. Jane Mcbride

Thought I would share this bit of history with you. I've taken it from the "Omohundros and their Kin" book. My ancestors all the way to my father-in-law is listed in this book. On page 172 mentions the formation of Fluvanna: On the n. side of the James River prior to 1726 everything w. of the present site of Richmond was in Henrico co.; in 1727 Goochland Co. was formed from Henrico and so everything w. of Henrico was in Goochland Co.; Albemarle Co. was cut from Goochland in 1744, so then everything w. of Goochland was in Albemarle; the western counties had no definite western boundaries. The line between Goochland and Albemarle, roughly speaking, ran from about Bremo Bluff n. by Palmyra, and on to Louisa. In 1777 Fluvanna Co. was formed from both Goochland and Albemarle, the eastern line running n. from Columbia to Louisa Co. and the western line running n. from Scottsville to Louisa Co. This made a small county about 16 to 26 miles in size. I heard it said that a certain man, said to have been Austin Seay by name, was born in Goochland Co., reared in Albemarle, lived and died in Fluvanna, and never moved from the same house. The completion of the formation of Fluvanna Co. took place in the residence of Thomas Napier, Gentleman, on August 7, 1777. The population was, whites 4445, slaves 4146, and free colored 221, or a total 8812. Hope you enjoy this bit of info - Lee Kirtley

Colonial and Revolutionary Linages of America The American Historical Co.,Inc. New York 1961 The Edward Pleasants Valentine Papers Vol.III The Valentine Museum, Richmond, Va. Virginia Will Records Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. Baltimore 1982 Historical Genealogy of the Woodsons and Their Connections Compiled and published by Henry Morton Woodson Memphis, TN. 1915 The last can be located at the Jones Memorial Library in Lynchburg, VA.

-----Original Message----- From: becca54 <becca54@ix.netcom.com> To: VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com <VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [VAFLUVAN] Woodson > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hannah Lloyd <hlloyd@mindspring.com> >To: VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com <VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 10:53 AM >Subject: Re: [VAFLUVAN] Woodson > > >>In 1644 during the Indian massacres at settlements along the >James River, >>two of the Woodson sons survived. One of them survived (my >ancestor) by >>hiding in a wooden potato bin. He was about 9 years old. He >was >>subsequently adopted by another family in the area, (perhaps the >Ferris's >>of Curles Neck.) >>Since that event, he was called Potato Bin Woodson. >>Anyone have anything more on this? > > >Do you know which one was which? The boys names were Robert and >John. I have since discovered the page at http://trevilians.com/others/wood0.htm which fills in some missing pieces. Thanks! > One of them survived (my ancestor) by > hiding in a wooden potato bin. He was about 9 years old. He was > subsequently adopted by another family in the area, (perhaps the Ferris's > of Curles Neck.) This same site shows Robert as having married an Elizabeth Ferris in 1651 in Henrico County, VA. Becky Olsen >I am the 3rd Great-granddaughter of a John Woodson (b. 1785) m. >Polley Blackwell Sandige (b. abt. 1786). > >The following is an article my mother compiled for "The History >of Summers County West Virginia" (1984). > >"Dr. John Woodson and his wife, Sara Winston came from >Devonshire, England to America in April 1616. Dr. Woodson was the >ship's surgeon and he was 33 years old. He and Sara were the >parents of two sons, Robert and john. In April 1644, there was an >Indian attack on their homestead, and Sara protected her sons by >hiding one under a tub, and the other on a hole where potatoes >were kept. Both of the boys survived, but their father was >killed. For several generations the sons were known as "Tub" >Woodson and "Potato Hole" Woodson. > >[this is the missing info I'd like to fill in! Who were the >people between the brothers above and the ones mentioned next?] > >In 1832 a descendant of the Dr. John Woodson family, Edwin W. >Woodson, was appointed by the Baptist State Board of Missions, >Richmond, Virginia, to go to Monroe County as a missionary to >establish the Baptist faith. He took with him his widowed mother >and her family, and they settled near the present site of Forest >hill. His younger brother Zacharia later settled on the >Greenbrier River where the town of Talcott is now located. > >Zacharia Augustus Woodson was born on October 14, 1815, and he >died June 1, 1892. He was married to Sarah Alderson who was born >August 14, 1822 and died July 22, 1898. > compiled by Jennie K. Bragg" > >(their daughter, Emma Virginia was my maternal >great-grandmother.) > >Becky Olsen >http://members.xoom.com/TrekyBecky/famtree.htm >

-----Original Message----- From: Hannah Lloyd <hlloyd@mindspring.com> To: VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com <VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, June 11, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [VAFLUVAN] Woodson >In 1644 during the Indian massacres at settlements along the James River, >two of the Woodson sons survived. One of them survived (my ancestor) by >hiding in a wooden potato bin. He was about 9 years old. He was >subsequently adopted by another family in the area, (perhaps the Ferris's >of Curles Neck.) >Since that event, he was called Potato Bin Woodson. >Anyone have anything more on this? Do you know which one was which? The boys names were Robert and John. I am the 3rd Great-granddaughter of a John Woodson (b. 1785) m. Polley Blackwell Sandige (b. abt. 1786). The following is an article my mother compiled for "The History of Summers County West Virginia" (1984). "Dr. John Woodson and his wife, Sara Winston came from Devonshire, England to America in April 1616. Dr. Woodson was the ship's surgeon and he was 33 years old. He and Sara were the parents of two sons, Robert and john. In April 1644, there was an Indian attack on their homestead, and Sara protected her sons by hiding one under a tub, and the other on a hole where potatoes were kept. Both of the boys survived, but their father was killed. For several generations the sons were known as "Tub" Woodson and "Potato Hole" Woodson. [this is the missing info I'd like to fill in! Who were the people between the brothers above and the ones mentioned next?] In 1832 a descendant of the Dr. John Woodson family, Edwin W. Woodson, was appointed by the Baptist State Board of Missions, Richmond, Virginia, to go to Monroe County as a missionary to establish the Baptist faith. He took with him his widowed mother and her family, and they settled near the present site of Forest hill. His younger brother Zacharia later settled on the Greenbrier River where the town of Talcott is now located. Zacharia Augustus Woodson was born on October 14, 1815, and he died June 1, 1892. He was married to Sarah Alderson who was born August 14, 1822 and died July 22, 1898. compiled by Jennie K. Bragg" (their daughter, Emma Virginia was my maternal great-grandmother.) Becky Olsen http://members.xoom.com/TrekyBecky/famtree.htm

Hannah Lloyd wrote: > One of them survived (my ancestor) by > hiding in a wooden potato bin. He was about 9 years old. He was > subsequently adopted by another family in the area, (perhaps the Ferris's > of Curles Neck.) Sarah, mother of Robert Woodson (the Potato Binn Woodson), is thought to have been alive until 1660, so it seems highly unlikely that he was adopted by anyone. See "The Virginia Genealogist", Vol. 20, pp. 3-8, for a discussion on whether the Sarah Johnson whose will was written 17 Jan. 1660 was in fact Sarah Woodson who had remarried. The Potato Bin Woodsons (descendants of Robert) lived largely in Henrico Co., while the Tub Woodsons (descendants of John) seem to have moved further west into Goochland and Fluvanna. Ann -- Ann Avery Hunter Richmond, Virginia mailto:annh@erols.com

Hi, I don't descend from any Woodson, but I do have a book on the families of Frank and Jesse James, since their history is an important part of the Independence, Missouri. Frank is buried near by and many family members were friends of Cole Younger. So I find that I've got a large collection of books dealing with them and the Civil War in Missouri. Sorry, didn't mean to get carry away here. I was the host of the Fluvanna Co. Genealogy site for many years. It is now host by Frank Webb at http://markedge.home.avana.net/fluvanna/ Please stop by and check out all the records I have added to the site. Marriages, Deeds, Wills and there is also a list on Marriage bonds that we issue but never return. You might find some there. Good Luck, Michèle When answering, please leave original message along with all replies to jog my memory. WW2 War Brides Experience http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710/WarBrides.html KIDD KONNECTIONS: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9710 THOMAS FAMILY GENEALOGY: http://members.tripod.com/~genealogy_thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard and Mary To: VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday 10 June 2000 15:12 Subject: Re: [VAFLUVAN] Woodson Michele, Thanks for info on Jesse Woodson James as well as Frank. Have always wondered what if any the connection to the Woodson Family could be. I had told someone else recently that I belong to the SAR Chapter here in Austin, TX. Sometime within the last year we had as one of our meetings the past Attorney General of Texas who was representing the person in this area who was a descended of Jesse and was having a grave dug up to see if he were buried in Texas as many thought. I don't suppose you would know anything about my GGGG Grandmother Susanna Woodson who married William Bugg in Fluvanna Co? There seems to be no record of their marriage, nor who her parents were. Can you help? William died Fluvanna Co., in 1796. Their son Woodson Bugg is line of descent , then his son Jesse Woodson, his son William Cannon. For those of you connected to the Woodson Family, do you think you know all about Jesse Woodson of Buckingham Co? Not much is said about him in the William and Mary Quarterlies. (Dick) Richard Reudien Bugg

In a message dated 6/11/2000 12:52:40 Eastern Daylight Time, Ms2001@aol.com writes: << Said gun has been proven to have been made at least 100 years after the attack. Makes a good yarn though ... >> Makes you wonder how many other lies the English told about their battles with the Virginia nations, doesn't it? And I suppose it's a good yarn if you are not one of those Virginia Indians. Deanna

Searching the archives at William and Mary, I came across a great story about "Potato Bin" Woodson. Briefly, the story goes something like this. (If anyone has the published version and will share it, please do so.) In 1644 during the Indian massacres at settlements along the James River, two of the Woodson sons survived. One of them survived (my ancestor) by hiding in a wooden potato bin. He was about 9 years old. He was subsequently adopted by another family in the area, (perhaps the Ferris's of Curles Neck.) Since that event, he was called Potato Bin Woodson. Anyone have anything more on this? Virginia Professionals Service 105 South Pantops Drive, Suite A-3 Charlottesville, VA., 22911 Ph: 804 295-5665 hlloyd@mindspring.com http://www.LaPage.com/arr

In a message dated 06/11/2000 10:53:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hlloyd@mindspring.com writes: << He was about 9 years old. He was subsequently adopted by another family in the area, (perhaps the Ferris's of Curles Neck.) >> sorry - I missed this point - I didn't hear that the boys were adopted .... does anyone know about this? Bev