Michael. I am also receiving only spotty communication on the VAFLUV-L web site. what has changed since you gave up webmaster? I occasionally see messages that are in reply to other queries that never showed up on my email. I used to receive frequent traffic and now if it is once every 3 weeks I'm lucky. Any suggestions? I receive scads of information from another rootsweb location in PA. Sally@realtor.com

Richard,dont know why your e-mail is coming to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bugg" <richardmary@earthlink.net> To: <VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 4:59 PM Subject: [VAFLUVAN] Web Site > I am having trouble connecting with the Fluvanna Co. Historical Web Site. I have sent in pictures of ancestors to the site but since that time have been unable to get into the site. Would someone please tell me what I am doing wrong or how to get into the site. Thank you., > Regards, > Richard Reudien Bugg(Dick) > >

I am having trouble connecting with the Fluvanna Co. Historical Web Site. I have sent in pictures of ancestors to the site but since that time have been unable to get into the site. Would someone please tell me what I am doing wrong or how to get into the site. Thank you., Regards, Richard Reudien Bugg(Dick)

Was there any reason why I should have received this E-Mail? Could you have meant Woodson instead of Goodson? Richard Reudien Bugg(Dick)

Don't know why this happened. Guess I must be getting old and dotty. I am interested in Wood/Hope. Sorry if I caused you any concern. My family roots are in Fluvanna County VA. John

Nancy White's first marrige was to Joab King. I am seeking info on Absolam King, their son. Would you have any info on him? Mary Reed ----- Original Message ----- From: <RobinPoindexter@aol.com> To: <VAFLUVAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: [VAFLUVAN] BENTLEY, GILLISPIE, GOODSON, KING, PAYNE, WHITE > Hello Subscribers, > I just subscribed and would like to share my line of research with you all. > I am currently helping my neighbor with her family history and thought it > might be beneficial to enlist the help of some Fluvanna researchers. Most of > the research, thus far, is based on the memories of those still living, > census records, and a few marriage bonds and death certificates. If any of > you are familiar with these lines, I would like to hear from you. If you see > any errors, please let me know. Thanks! > Ms. Robin L. Poindexter > > > Ancestors of James Preston Payne > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. James Preston PAYNE, born October 01, 1899 in Charlottesville, > Albemarle Co., VA; died October 31, 1971 in Newport News, VA. He was the son > of 2. James Robert PAYNE and 3. Grace F. GOODSON > Generation No. 2 > > 2. James Robert PAYNE, born October 1857; died Aft. 1920. He was the > son of 4. Thomas T. PAYNE and 5. Mary E. PAYNE. He married 3. Grace F. > GOODSON c. 1896 in Virginia. > 3. Grace F. GOODSON, born December 1876 in Virginia; died Bet. 1906 - > May 20 1910. She was the daughter of 6. Nicholas GOODSON and 7. Eliza F. > GILLISPIE. > > Children of James PAYNE and Grace GOODSON are: > 1. i. James Preston PAYNE, born October 01, 1899 in > Charlottesville, Albemarle Co., VA > > Generation No. 3 > > 4. Thomas T. PAYNE, born c. 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Bef. 1920. > He was the son of 8. PAYNE and 9. <Unknown>. He married 5. Mary E. PAYNE > 1855 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > 5. Mary E. PAYNE, born c. 1834 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Aft. 1920. She > was the daughter of 10. John W. PAYNE and 11. Nancy WHITE. > > Children of Thomas PAYNE and Mary PAYNE are: > 2 i. James Robert PAYNE, born October 1857; died Aft. 1920; married > Grace F. GOODSON c. 1896 in Virginia. > > 6. Nicholas GOODSON, born c. 1843 in Georgia; died Aft. 1900. He was > the son of 12. GOODSON and 13. <Unnamed>. He married 7. Eliza F. GILLISPIE > Bef. 1864. > 7. Eliza F. GILLISPIE, born c. 1838 in Virginia; died Aft. 1900. She > was the daughter of 14. Joseph A. GILLISPIE and 15. Susan D. KING. > > Children of Nicholas GOODSON and Eliza GILLISPIE are: > > 3 i. Grace F. GOODSON, born December 1876 in Virginia > > Generation No. 4 > > 8. PAYNE, born Unknown in Virginia; died Unknown. He married 9. > <Unknown> Unknown. > 9. <Unknown>, born Unknown in Virginia. > > Child of \ PAYNE and is: > 4 i. Thomas T. PAYNE, born c. 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Bef. > 1920; married Mary E. PAYNE 1855 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > > 10. John W. PAYNE, born c. September 1780 in Virginia; died Aft. > September 23, 1870 in Fluvanna Co., VA. He married 11. Nancy WHITE October > 15, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > 11. Nancy WHITE, born c. 1795; died Aft. June 04, 1880 in Fluvanna Co., > VA. She was the daughter of 22. Pleasant WHITE and 23. Mary Ann BENTLEY. > > Child of John PAYNE and Nancy WHITE is: > 5 i. Mary E. PAYNE, born c. 1834 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Aft. 1920; > married Thomas T. PAYNE 1855 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > > 12. GOODSON, born Unknown in Georgia; died Unknown. He married 13. > <Unknown> Unknown. > 13. <Unknown>, born Unknown in Georgia; died Unknown. > > Child of \ GOODSON and is: > 6 i. Nicholas GOODSON, born c. 1843 in Georgia; died Aft. 1900; > married Eliza F. GILLISPIE Bef. 1864. > > 14. Joseph A. GILLISPIE, born c. 1808 in Virginia; died Bet. 1870 - > 1880. He married 15. Susan D. KING May 12, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > 15. Susan D. KING, born c. 1815 in Virginia; died Aft. 1880. She was > the daughter of 30. Joab KING I and 11. Nancy WHITE. > > Children of Joseph GILLISPIE and Susan KING are: > 7 i. Eliza F. GILLISPIE, born c. 1838 in Virginia; died Aft. 1900; > married Nicholas GOODSON Bef. 1864. > > Generation No. 5 > > 22. Pleasant WHITE, born Unknown; died August 12, 1836 in Fluvanna Co., > VA. He was the son of 44. John WHITE and 45. Mourning. He married 23. Mary > Ann BENTLEY March 13, 1784 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > 23. Mary Ann BENTLEY, born Unknown; died October 08, 1831 in Fluvanna > Co., VA. She was the daughter of 46. Daniel BENTLEY, Jr.. > > Children of Pleasant WHITE and Mary BENTLEY are: > 11 i. Nancy WHITE, born c. 1795; died Aft. June 04, 1880 in Fluvanna > Co., VA; married (1) Joab KING I December 18, 1810 in Fluvanna Co., VA; > married (2) John W. PAYNE October 15, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > > > 30. Joab KING I, born c. 1790 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died October 22, 1822 > in Fluvanna Co., VA. He was the son of 60. Joseph KING and 61. Mourning. He > married 11. Nancy WHITE December 18, 1810 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > 11. Nancy WHITE, born c. 1795; died Aft. June 04, 1880 in Fluvanna Co., > VA. She was the daughter of 22. Pleasant WHITE and 23. Mary Ann BENTLEY. > > Child of Joab KING and Nancy WHITE is: > 15 i. Susan D. KING, born c. 1815 in Virginia; died Aft. 1880; married > Joseph A. GILLISPIE May 12, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > > > Generation No. 6 > > 44. John WHITE, born Unknown; died Unknown. He married 45. Mourning > Unknown. > 45. Mourning, born Unknown; died Unknown. > > Child of John WHITE and Mourning is: > 22 i. Pleasant WHITE, born Unknown; died August 12, 1836 in Fluvanna > Co., VA; married Mary Ann BENTLEY March 13, 1784 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > > 46. Daniel BENTLEY, Jr., born Unknown; died Unknown. > > Child of Daniel BENTLEY, Jr. is: > 23 i. Mary Ann BENTLEY, born Unknown; died October 08, 1831 in Fluvanna > Co., VA; married Pleasant WHITE March 13, 1784 in Fluvanna Co., VA. > > 60. Joseph KING, born Unknown; died Unknown. He was the son of 120. > Daniel KING. He married 61. Mourning Unknown. > 61. Mourning, born Unknown; died Unknown. > > Child of Joseph KING and Mourning is: > 30 i. Joab KING I, born c. 1790 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died October 22, > 1822 in Fluvanna Co., VA; married Nancy WHITE December 18, 1810 in Fluvanna > Co., VA. > >

Robin: I am also researching some of your lines -- Bentley, White, etc. Pleasant White is my GGGGrandfather. I have some info which was not included in your generational charts. I have some difficulty getting my charts to attach to e-mails, so if you would, send me your address and I will print out and send you my charts. Lyn White 8202 Westmeath Lane Richmond VA 23227 Tel: 804-266-2359 Fax: 804-266-4966 e-mail: k4aab@erols.com

i agree with you, if everything, we didn't like was taken from the list, then it soon, would not be a list left. we are all different, just like out taste in food, clothing, cars and etc. Jane

Hello Subscribers, I just subscribed and would like to share my line of research with you all. I am currently helping my neighbor with her family history and thought it might be beneficial to enlist the help of some Fluvanna researchers. Most of the research, thus far, is based on the memories of those still living, census records, and a few marriage bonds and death certificates. If any of you are familiar with these lines, I would like to hear from you. If you see any errors, please let me know. Thanks! Ms. Robin L. Poindexter Ancestors of James Preston Payne Generation No. 1 1. James Preston PAYNE, born October 01, 1899 in Charlottesville, Albemarle Co., VA; died October 31, 1971 in Newport News, VA. He was the son of 2. James Robert PAYNE and 3. Grace F. GOODSON Generation No. 2 2. James Robert PAYNE, born October 1857; died Aft. 1920. He was the son of 4. Thomas T. PAYNE and 5. Mary E. PAYNE. He married 3. Grace F. GOODSON c. 1896 in Virginia. 3. Grace F. GOODSON, born December 1876 in Virginia; died Bet. 1906 - May 20 1910. She was the daughter of 6. Nicholas GOODSON and 7. Eliza F. GILLISPIE. Children of James PAYNE and Grace GOODSON are: 1. i. James Preston PAYNE, born October 01, 1899 in Charlottesville, Albemarle Co., VA Generation No. 3 4. Thomas T. PAYNE, born c. 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Bef. 1920. He was the son of 8. PAYNE and 9. <Unknown>. He married 5. Mary E. PAYNE 1855 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 5. Mary E. PAYNE, born c. 1834 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Aft. 1920. She was the daughter of 10. John W. PAYNE and 11. Nancy WHITE. Children of Thomas PAYNE and Mary PAYNE are: 2 i. James Robert PAYNE, born October 1857; died Aft. 1920; married Grace F. GOODSON c. 1896 in Virginia. 6. Nicholas GOODSON, born c. 1843 in Georgia; died Aft. 1900. He was the son of 12. GOODSON and 13. <Unnamed>. He married 7. Eliza F. GILLISPIE Bef. 1864. 7. Eliza F. GILLISPIE, born c. 1838 in Virginia; died Aft. 1900. She was the daughter of 14. Joseph A. GILLISPIE and 15. Susan D. KING. Children of Nicholas GOODSON and Eliza GILLISPIE are: 3 i. Grace F. GOODSON, born December 1876 in Virginia Generation No. 4 8. PAYNE, born Unknown in Virginia; died Unknown. He married 9. <Unknown> Unknown. 9. <Unknown>, born Unknown in Virginia. Child of \ PAYNE and is: 4 i. Thomas T. PAYNE, born c. 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Bef. 1920; married Mary E. PAYNE 1855 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 10. John W. PAYNE, born c. September 1780 in Virginia; died Aft. September 23, 1870 in Fluvanna Co., VA. He married 11. Nancy WHITE October 15, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 11. Nancy WHITE, born c. 1795; died Aft. June 04, 1880 in Fluvanna Co., VA. She was the daughter of 22. Pleasant WHITE and 23. Mary Ann BENTLEY. Child of John PAYNE and Nancy WHITE is: 5 i. Mary E. PAYNE, born c. 1834 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died Aft. 1920; married Thomas T. PAYNE 1855 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 12. GOODSON, born Unknown in Georgia; died Unknown. He married 13. <Unknown> Unknown. 13. <Unknown>, born Unknown in Georgia; died Unknown. Child of \ GOODSON and is: 6 i. Nicholas GOODSON, born c. 1843 in Georgia; died Aft. 1900; married Eliza F. GILLISPIE Bef. 1864. 14. Joseph A. GILLISPIE, born c. 1808 in Virginia; died Bet. 1870 - 1880. He married 15. Susan D. KING May 12, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 15. Susan D. KING, born c. 1815 in Virginia; died Aft. 1880. She was the daughter of 30. Joab KING I and 11. Nancy WHITE. Children of Joseph GILLISPIE and Susan KING are: 7 i. Eliza F. GILLISPIE, born c. 1838 in Virginia; died Aft. 1900; married Nicholas GOODSON Bef. 1864. Generation No. 5 22. Pleasant WHITE, born Unknown; died August 12, 1836 in Fluvanna Co., VA. He was the son of 44. John WHITE and 45. Mourning. He married 23. Mary Ann BENTLEY March 13, 1784 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 23. Mary Ann BENTLEY, born Unknown; died October 08, 1831 in Fluvanna Co., VA. She was the daughter of 46. Daniel BENTLEY, Jr.. Children of Pleasant WHITE and Mary BENTLEY are: 11 i. Nancy WHITE, born c. 1795; died Aft. June 04, 1880 in Fluvanna Co., VA; married (1) Joab KING I December 18, 1810 in Fluvanna Co., VA; married (2) John W. PAYNE October 15, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 30. Joab KING I, born c. 1790 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died October 22, 1822 in Fluvanna Co., VA. He was the son of 60. Joseph KING and 61. Mourning. He married 11. Nancy WHITE December 18, 1810 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 11. Nancy WHITE, born c. 1795; died Aft. June 04, 1880 in Fluvanna Co., VA. She was the daughter of 22. Pleasant WHITE and 23. Mary Ann BENTLEY. Child of Joab KING and Nancy WHITE is: 15 i. Susan D. KING, born c. 1815 in Virginia; died Aft. 1880; married Joseph A. GILLISPIE May 12, 1835 in Fluvanna Co., VA. Generation No. 6 44. John WHITE, born Unknown; died Unknown. He married 45. Mourning Unknown. 45. Mourning, born Unknown; died Unknown. Child of John WHITE and Mourning is: 22 i. Pleasant WHITE, born Unknown; died August 12, 1836 in Fluvanna Co., VA; married Mary Ann BENTLEY March 13, 1784 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 46. Daniel BENTLEY, Jr., born Unknown; died Unknown. Child of Daniel BENTLEY, Jr. is: 23 i. Mary Ann BENTLEY, born Unknown; died October 08, 1831 in Fluvanna Co., VA; married Pleasant WHITE March 13, 1784 in Fluvanna Co., VA. 60. Joseph KING, born Unknown; died Unknown. He was the son of 120. Daniel KING. He married 61. Mourning Unknown. 61. Mourning, born Unknown; died Unknown. Child of Joseph KING and Mourning is: 30 i. Joab KING I, born c. 1790 in Fluvanna Co., VA; died October 22, 1822 in Fluvanna Co., VA; married Nancy WHITE December 18, 1810 in Fluvanna Co., VA.

Mary, The thirteen was great, thanks for sending me a copy. I have passed it along to other friends already and made a printed copy. Best regards, Dick(Richard Reudien Bugg)

Enough already! This has been the proverbial tempest in a teapot. Get a life and move on! Nobody meant to hurt anybody.

In a message dated 9/10/2000 09:05:35 Eastern Daylight Time, WEARLY@aol.com writes: << I try not to hurt anyone and to be tolerant of anyone different from myself but I confess I lose patience with those that use history as an excuse to be hurtful to others. >> Very well said; you have described my feelings exactly. Let's move back to genealogy!

In a message dated 09/10/2000 9:05:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, WEARLY@aol.com writes: > Let's see, my family has a heritage of Scots, Irish, English, French, German, > > African, Italian, Native American, & Russian Jew, oops I forgot the Mexican, > > which is a mixture of Spanish & Native American - at least that is all that > I > know about right now. I am investigating specifically who the ancestors are > > through genealogy - but that will only tell me the names of those ancestors. > > If I want to get a sense of who they were and what they were - I must depend > > on history. One thing I know about life that I have learned through history > > is there seems to always have been (all the way back to biblical times) > those > who conquered and those who were conquered. History tells us that the > groups > changed roles, depending upon the times. While slavery, conquering, and > being conquered are all in my family's history, I personally have not been > anyone's slave nor have I had one. I personally have not conguered anyone > unless my husband of 39 years counts. I have not been conquered except by > the love of family and friends that entraps us all. I try not to hurt > anyone > and to be tolerant of anyone different from myself but I confess I lose > patience with those that use history as an excuse to be hurtful to others. > If > we just delete something that does not interest us, or that we think > shouldn't be on the list - it will not be part of the list. We tend to draw > > these things out by passing on our particular opinions and sometimes bad > feelings. Notice I included myself as I am doing this very thing at this > time. Thanks for reading if you got this far. ************************************* BRAVO!!!!!!

Let's see, my family has a heritage of Scots, Irish, English, French, German, African, Italian, Native American, & Russian Jew, oops I forgot the Mexican, which is a mixture of Spanish & Native American - at least that is all that I know about right now. I am investigating specifically who the ancestors are through genealogy - but that will only tell me the names of those ancestors. If I want to get a sense of who they were and what they were - I must depend on history. One thing I know about life that I have learned through history is there seems to always have been (all the way back to biblical times) those who conquered and those who were conquered. History tells us that the groups changed roles, depending upon the times. While slavery, conquering, and being conquered are all in my family's history, I personally have not been anyone's slave nor have I had one. I personally have not conguered anyone unless my husband of 39 years counts. I have not been conquered except by the love of family and friends that entraps us all. I try not to hurt anyone and to be tolerant of anyone different from myself but I confess I lose patience with those that use history as an excuse to be hurtful to others. If we just delete something that does not interest us, or that we think shouldn't be on the list - it will not be part of the list. We tend to draw these things out by passing on our particular opinions and sometimes bad feelings. Notice I included myself as I am doing this very thing at this time. Thanks for reading if you got this far.

Thanks to all the hoopla, I learned something today. I found the info very interesting and I am glad that I could retrieve it after I had deleted it. I had been away and was purging my email of anything that didn't appear to be needed. I was viewing th subject lines & lucky 13 did not seem as though it would be about any of the family I am researching, so I deleted it. Then I kept seeing it as the subject, so I decided to go back & see what the hoopla was about and I learned something. If a day goes by without learning something, it is time to leave. Thanks for helping me today! Wandra

O.K. can't resist. It was off topic. However, I loved it and saved it to disk to share with others. An occasional off topic sharing with our group isn't too harmful, particularly since there hasn't been much "on topic" material submitted lately. I really have a hard time resisting commenting on the responses to off topic material that contain off topic material. Peace, Charlie in Louisiana Bayou Country

In a message dated 9/9/2000 21:31:58 Eastern Daylight Time, wreed1@san.rr.com writes: << Before I get any more comments regarding the subject message I put on the lists, I apologize if I offended anyone. I certainly did not mean any harm - just thought this was a bit of history someone might like to know. After all, what is genealogy but history. Mary Reed >> Thank you for the apology, Mary. I don't think others are "offended" at off-topic posts just because we prefer not to see them. Speaking for myself, I am more often just annoyed by the unchallenged assumptions found within the content. As for genealogy being history, we hear that a lot, but history tends to be written by the winners, and a result, it is often loaded, distorted, and value-laden to be the point of being propaganda. Genealogy, on the other hand, can be studied without falling into the traps of perpetuating stereotypes and misconceptions, which historians frequently do deliberately. Let's keep it that way here. Thanks for listening.

I like to think that I am a good American and I have deep reglious convictions, BUT what does the dollar bill have to do with genealogy, lets stay on track here. At 04:11 PM 9/9/00 -0700, you wrote: > > >> > > Subject: Our lucky number ( sermon) vern >> > > >> > > Take out a one dollar bill and look at it. The one dollar bill >> > > you're looking at first came off the presses in 1957 in its >> > > present design. This so-called paper money is in fact a cotton >> > > and linen blend, with red and blue minute silk fibers running >> > > through it. It is actually material. We've all washed it without >> > > it falling apart. A special blend of ink is used, the >> > > contents we will never know. It is overprinted with symbols >> > > and then it is starched to make it water resistant and pressed >> > > to give it that nice crisp look. >> > > >> > > If you look on the front of the bill, you will see the United >> > > States Treasury Seal. On the top you will see the scales for >> > > the balance-a balanced budget. In the center you have a >> > > carpenter's T-square, a tool used for an even cut. Underneath >> > > is the Key to the United States Treasury. That's all pretty >> > > easy to figure out, but what is on the back of that dollar bill >> > > is something we should all know. >> > > >> > > If you turn the bill over, you will see two circles. Both >> > > circles, together, comprise the Great Seal of the United States. >> > > The First Continental Congress requested that Benjamin Franklin >> > > and a group of men come up with a Seal. It took them four years >> > > to accomplish this task and another two years to get it approved. >> > > >> > > If you look at the left hand circle, you will see a Pyramid. >> > > Notice the face is lighted and the western side is dark. This >> > > country was just beginning. We had not begun to explore the West >> > > or decided what we could do for Western Civilization. The Pyramid >> > > is un-capped, again signifying that we were not even close to >> > > being finished. Inside the capstone you have the all-seeing eye, >> > > and ancient symbol for divinity. It was Franklin's belief that >> > > one man couldn't do it alone, but a group of men, with the help >> > > of God, could do anything. "IN GOD WE TRUST" is on this >> > > currency. The Latin above the pyramid, ANNUIT COEPTIS, means >> > > "God has favored our undertaking." The Latin below the pyramid, >> > > NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, means "a new order has begun." At the base >> > > of the pyramid is the Roman Numeral for 1776. >> > > >> > > If you look at the right-hand circle, and check it carefully, >> > > you will learn that it is on every National Cemetery in the >> > > United States. It is also on the Parade of Flags Walkway at the >> > > Bushnell, Florida National Cemetery and is the centerpiece of >> > > most hero's monuments. Slightly modified, it is the seal of the >> > > President of the United States and it is always visible whenever >> > > he speaks, yet no one knows what the symbols mean. >> > > >> > > The Bald Eagle was selected as a symbol for victory for two >> > > reasons: first, he is not afraid of a storm; he is strong and >> > > he is smart enough to soar above it. Secondly, he wears no >> > > material crown. We had just broken from the King of England. >> > > Also, notice the shield is unsupported. This country can now >> > > stand on its own. At the top of that shield you have a white bar >> > > signifying congress, a unifying factor. We were coming together >> > > as one nation. In the Eagle's beak you will read, "E PLURIBUS >> > > UNUM", meaning "one nation from many people." >> > > >> > > Above the Eagle you have thirteen stars representing the >> > > thirteen original colonies, and any clouds of misunderstanding >> > > rolling away. Again, we were coming together as one. Notice what >> > > the Eagle holds in his talons. He holds an olive branch and >> > > arrows. This country wants peace, but we will never be afraid >> > > to fight to preserve peace. The Eagle always wants to face >> > > the olive branch, but in time of war, his gaze turns toward the >> > > arrows. >> > > >> > > They say that the number 13 is an unlucky number. This is >> > > almost a worldwide belief. You will usually never see a room >> > > numbered 13, or any hotels or motels with a 13th floor. But, >> > > think about this: 13 original colonies, 13 signers of the >> > > Declaration of Independence, 13 stripes on our flag, 13 steps >> > > on the Pyramid, 13 letters in the Latin above, 13 letters in >> > > "E Pluribus Unum", 13 stars above the Eagle, 13 plumes of >> > > feathers on each span of the Eagle's wing, 13 bars on that >> > > shield, 13 leaves on the olive branch, 13 fruits, and if you >> > > look closely, 13 arrows. And for minorities: the 13th Amendment. >> > > >> > > I always ask people, "Why don't you know this?" Your children >> > > don't know this and their history teachers don't know this. Too >> > > may veterans have given up too much to ever let the meaning fade. >> > > Many veterans remember coming home to an America that didn't >> > > care. Too many veterans never came home at all. >> > > >> > > Tell everyone what is on the back of the one dollar bill and >> > > what it stands for, because nobody else will. > > > >

Before I get any more comments regarding the subject message I put on the lists, I apologize if I offended anyone. I certainly did not mean any harm - just thought this was a bit of history someone might like to know. After all, what is genealogy but history. Mary Reed

To whom it may concern, Personally, I loved the story of the Lucky 13, The One Dollar Bill. I believe that any part of history has alot to do with genealogy. Genealogy is History and History is Genealogy. I learned something from this little history lesson that I never knew before. I am one here that is certainly glad that W. R . Reed took the time and posted something that he thought that would be of interest to us. Genealogy goes hand in hand with History. Without our ancestors, there would be no history. And without our ancestors, where would we be today? Darlena Kidd Harmon in WV