OOOOPs!!!  Sorry Rena-meant to reply to you.  Forgive me.  Allison --- On Sat, 7/11/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [VAFLOYD] Spangler Marriages in botetourt To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 11:21 PM Got it, sweetie!!!!!  Allison --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rena Worthen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Rena Worthen <[email protected]> Subject: [VAFLOYD] Spangler Marriages in botetourt To: "VAFloyd" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:18 AM 33    4/12/1842    SPANGLER, ADAM    SWANSON, MARY    433 30    12/3/1829    SPANGLER, JACOB    STEBER, POLLY    338 33    9/4/1835    SPANGLER, JACOB    CRAFT, ELIZABETH L.    386 Please varify Receipt of this letter by  replying to me    [email protected]  or [email protected]      Rena       To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen [email protected] View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen [email protected] View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Got it, sweetie!!!!!  Allison --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Rena Worthen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Rena Worthen <[email protected]> Subject: [VAFLOYD] Spangler Marriages in botetourt To: "VAFloyd" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 9:18 AM 33    4/12/1842    SPANGLER, ADAM    SWANSON, MARY    433 30    12/3/1829    SPANGLER, JACOB    STEBER, POLLY    338 33    9/4/1835    SPANGLER, JACOB    CRAFT, ELIZABETH L.    386 Please varify Receipt of this letter by  replying to me    [email protected]  or [email protected]      Rena       To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen [email protected] View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm totally impressed! Mine are still green, except for the cherry tomatoes. On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Guthrielewiston < [email protected]> wrote: > I have been eating Tomatoes from my plants here in Ohio since 4 July > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kat Fulcher" <[email protected]> > To: "vafloyd" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:28 AM > Subject: [VAFLOYD] not genealogy--mater growin' > > > > Since the list is so quiet, thought I'd share the latest on my exploits > as > > a > > tomato farmer in beautiful SW Virginia. > > > > Not to sound (again) like an ad for the "Topsy Turvy" planters, but my > > upside down tomato plants are growing like crazy! I have 3 planters up > > and > > each of the plants are at least 4 feet long or more now. I have about a > > dozen tomatoes growing on the "Big Boy" plant and 7 or 8 on the German > > pink > > one. The Mr. Stripey plant is just now starting to flower. > > > > My cherry tomato plant that's in the ground is covered up in fruit. > > There's > > got to be at least 100 little maters all over it! Just picked a nice red > > one and ate it on the spot! Sweet as candy! I bought that plant at Lowes > > and it has grown like nothing you've ever seen. It's about 6 feet across > > now--one plant!!! > > > > My other plants in the ground that I started from seeds are all starting > > to > > flower now, too. If I just get one tomato off those plants, I'll feel > > like > > a real sucess because I never grew anything "from scratch" like that > > before. Those were seeds I saved out of nice tomatoes we got at the > local > > farmer's market last summer. Forgot to mark the bags, though, so I don't > > know which plant is which and could end up with red, yellow or dark > purple > > maters when they come in! It'll be a surprise...LOL. > > > > Guess I could also do a good commercial for Miracle Grow "shake and > feed." > > My mother in law put out tomatoes about the same time as mine, but didn't > > use Miracle Grow garden soil or the fertilizer and her's are about half > as > > big as mine. That stuff really works! > > > > So any way, I'm now officially a Virginia farmer...ha! > > To contact Listowner: > > Rena Worthen [email protected] > > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1894 - Release Date: 01/14/09 > 19:27:00 > > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Jack, I think this book signing and filming is wonderful! I only wish my brother had lived to know of this; it was part of our lives. The flood gates opened this morning for me also. I received postings sent on 4, 6, 7, 9 & 10. Genevieve > =============== > I finally got my earlier postings (and 16 others) this morning. > Guess the flood gates opened. > > Jack Spangler > Ellicott City, MD > Where we have had some nice cool days with very low humidity for the past > week. But, we really need rain. My garden is as hard as a brick. > > PS the Smithsonian Udar-Hazy Air and Space museum has invited us to have a > book signing on August 6 the 64th anav. of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima > and ending WWII. Anyone in the area please stop by and say hello. > > PPS A Japanese TV company plans to a film crew down next week. They > would like to discuss our book (The Rising Sun Sets - The complete Story > of the Bombing of Nagasaki) and film interviews for their August 6th > programming. Rather than have them come to my place I have suggested we go > to the Udvar-Hazy museum where the Enola Gay is on display. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.10/2230 - Release Date: 07/10/09 17:57:00

Connie....your post on Dempster Wood came thru Paul keep the mail comin' to Ole Paul

Jack, I got your post Paul keep the mail comin' to Ole Paul -- =============== I finally got my earlier postings (and 16 others) this morning. Guess the flood gates opened. Jack Spangler Ellicott City, MD Where we have had some nice cool days with very low humidity for the past week. But, we really need rain. My garden is as hard as a brick. PS the Smithsonian Udar-Hazy Air and Space museum has invited us to have a book signing on August 6 the 64th anav. of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and ending WWII. Anyone in the area please stop by and say hello. PPS A Japanese TV company plans to a film crew down next week. They would like to discuss our book (The Rising Sun Sets - The complete Story of the Bombing of Nagasaki) and film interviews for their August 6th programming. Rather than have them come to my place I have suggested we go to the Udvar-Hazy museum where the Enola Gay is on display.

oh, my gosh! I sure don't miss those hot temperatures!! I am totally lovin' these mornings in the 60s. They tell us it might get up into the upper 80s next week. Sure that sounds like Heaven to you, huh??? I would guess that it probably is the heat that is hurting your maters. They do sort of grow upward when they first start out, but if they get big enough, the weight of the plant continues to pull them downward. Try to stay cool!!!!!! I'll try to blow some mountain air your direction! Kat On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Connie Springs <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Kat; > How I envy you !!! I have two "Topsy Turvy" plants and they are pathetic - > Instead of growing down these suckers are growing upward - a few pitiful > blooms, leaves wilted - I guess like most of us this 100+ heat is getting > to > them. Was 108.8 at 3:30 yesterday on > the back side of my house. > Please "Carry me back to old Virginny" > Connie > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Kat Fulcher <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Since the list is so quiet, thought I'd share the latest on my exploits > as > > a > > tomato farmer in beautiful SW Virginia. > > > > Not to sound (again) like an ad for the "Topsy Turvy" planters, but my > > upside down tomato plants are growing like crazy! I have 3 planters up > and > > each of the plants are at least 4 feet long or more now. I have about a > > dozen tomatoes growing on the "Big Boy" plant and 7 or 8 on the German > pink > > one. The Mr. Stripey plant is just now starting to flower. > > > > My cherry tomato plant that's in the ground is covered up in fruit. > > There's > > got to be at least 100 little maters all over it! Just picked a nice red > > one and ate it on the spot! Sweet as candy! I bought that plant at Lowes > > and it has grown like nothing you've ever seen. It's about 6 feet across > > now--one plant!!! > > > > My other plants in the ground that I started from seeds are all starting > to > > flower now, too. If I just get one tomato off those plants, I'll feel > like > > a real sucess because I never grew anything "from scratch" like that > > before. Those were seeds I saved out of nice tomatoes we got at the > local > > farmer's market last summer. Forgot to mark the bags, though, so I don't > > know which plant is which and could end up with red, yellow or dark > purple > > maters when they come in! It'll be a surprise...LOL. > > > > Guess I could also do a good commercial for Miracle Grow "shake and > feed." > > My mother in law put out tomatoes about the same time as mine, but didn't > > use Miracle Grow garden soil or the fertilizer and her's are about half > as > > big as mine. That stuff really works! > > > > So any way, I'm now officially a Virginia farmer...ha! > > To contact Listowner: > > Rena Worthen [email protected] > > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm< > http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Evafloyd/floyd.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kat; How I envy you !!! I have two "Topsy Turvy" plants and they are pathetic - Instead of growing down these suckers are growing upward - a few pitiful blooms, leaves wilted - I guess like most of us this 100+ heat is getting to them. Was 108.8 at 3:30 yesterday on the back side of my house. Please "Carry me back to old Virginny" Connie On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Kat Fulcher <[email protected]> wrote: > Since the list is so quiet, thought I'd share the latest on my exploits as > a > tomato farmer in beautiful SW Virginia. > > Not to sound (again) like an ad for the "Topsy Turvy" planters, but my > upside down tomato plants are growing like crazy! I have 3 planters up and > each of the plants are at least 4 feet long or more now. I have about a > dozen tomatoes growing on the "Big Boy" plant and 7 or 8 on the German pink > one. The Mr. Stripey plant is just now starting to flower. > > My cherry tomato plant that's in the ground is covered up in fruit. > There's > got to be at least 100 little maters all over it! Just picked a nice red > one and ate it on the spot! Sweet as candy! I bought that plant at Lowes > and it has grown like nothing you've ever seen. It's about 6 feet across > now--one plant!!! > > My other plants in the ground that I started from seeds are all starting to > flower now, too. If I just get one tomato off those plants, I'll feel like > a real sucess because I never grew anything "from scratch" like that > before. Those were seeds I saved out of nice tomatoes we got at the local > farmer's market last summer. Forgot to mark the bags, though, so I don't > know which plant is which and could end up with red, yellow or dark purple > maters when they come in! It'll be a surprise...LOL. > > Guess I could also do a good commercial for Miracle Grow "shake and feed." > My mother in law put out tomatoes about the same time as mine, but didn't > use Miracle Grow garden soil or the fertilizer and her's are about half as > big as mine. That stuff really works! > > So any way, I'm now officially a Virginia farmer...ha! > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Evafloyd/floyd.htm> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Recently I posted a request for info on a Dempsey Wood, did this post come thru? Connie

33 4/12/1842 SPANGLER, ADAM SWANSON, MARY 433 30 12/3/1829 SPANGLER, JACOB STEBER, POLLY 338 33 9/4/1835 SPANGLER, JACOB CRAFT, ELIZABETH L. 386 Please varify Receipt of this letter by  replying to me    [email protected] or [email protected]   Rena

The weather in Alaska is unpredictable, I hope you took "woolies" to keep warm. The scenery is so beautiful, it's worth braving the elements. Joyce in CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John S Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 9:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAFLOYD] not genealogy Well, I am back home and online. Have 122 emails in my mail box. Had a wonderful time, but would have liked it more if the cruise had went to more than just the lower islands of Alaska. Did ge to see the govenors mansion in Juneau which by the way ifd land locked Our trour guide said the only way to get into Jueau was by boat, plane or birth canal. It is a nice place to visit but am not a great fan of their weather. It was in lower 60sd and cloudy most of the time. The first night out we got caught betwee and high and low pressure system and a lot of us in our group never made it to the first formal dinner. Hope everyone has been behaving themselves while I was gone. John Sowers Lawrence, KS -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 707 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen [email protected] View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

? I lived near a Spangler family and Evelyn wanted to know something about her husband's family who had all passed away. She told me that her? father-in-law was from Carrol Co. So I? did some reseach?for her. They was all from Carroll Co. I believe there was a Daniel in that family. Evelyn has passed away also so I cannot check her papers. But you might try looking in Carrol Co. Betty -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [VAFLOYD] VAFLOYD Digest, Vol 4, Issue 250 Mary, Thanks for the look up. Unfortunately Ancestry.com data is in error. Phyllis sent me the same info off line along with their source citation. I question the accuracy of their source. Daniel and Mary's children were born between 1747 and 1761 per bible records (which I do not have - but mentioned in info collected for the Spangler family reunion july 22, 1916) Several people have info posted on World Connect showing these dates but also show the correct names and dates for their children. (Their children were born between 1747 and 1761) I cannot find in my records a Daniel with a birthdate of 1760. I have never found any info in Franklin Co for a Daniel Spangler with a 1760 date. Daniel was born about 1716 from age records in Franklin Co. and died 1787. There is confusion on Mary's Date of death. Tombstone says Mary Spangler age 100yr 1820. Her will was probated in Montgomery Co., VA 1818. ------------------ Name:Daniel Spangler Gender:male Birth Place:VA Birth Year:1760 Spouse Name:Mary Noftsinger Spouse Birth Year:1762 Marriage Year:1780 Marriage State:VA This is what was on Ancestry, Mary ________________________________ Does anyone have access to Ancestry,com U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900. If so I would appreciate a lookup for the marriage of Daniel Spangler to Mary Notsinger. Thanks -- Jack Spangler Ellicott City, MD Who is still looking for documentation To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen [email protected] View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been eating Tomatoes from my plants here in Ohio since 4 July ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kat Fulcher" <[email protected]> To: "vafloyd" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:28 AM Subject: [VAFLOYD] not genealogy--mater growin' > Since the list is so quiet, thought I'd share the latest on my exploits as > a > tomato farmer in beautiful SW Virginia. > > Not to sound (again) like an ad for the "Topsy Turvy" planters, but my > upside down tomato plants are growing like crazy! I have 3 planters up > and > each of the plants are at least 4 feet long or more now. I have about a > dozen tomatoes growing on the "Big Boy" plant and 7 or 8 on the German > pink > one. The Mr. Stripey plant is just now starting to flower. > > My cherry tomato plant that's in the ground is covered up in fruit. > There's > got to be at least 100 little maters all over it! Just picked a nice red > one and ate it on the spot! Sweet as candy! I bought that plant at Lowes > and it has grown like nothing you've ever seen. It's about 6 feet across > now--one plant!!! > > My other plants in the ground that I started from seeds are all starting > to > flower now, too. If I just get one tomato off those plants, I'll feel > like > a real sucess because I never grew anything "from scratch" like that > before. Those were seeds I saved out of nice tomatoes we got at the local > farmer's market last summer. Forgot to mark the bags, though, so I don't > know which plant is which and could end up with red, yellow or dark purple > maters when they come in! It'll be a surprise...LOL. > > Guess I could also do a good commercial for Miracle Grow "shake and feed." > My mother in law put out tomatoes about the same time as mine, but didn't > use Miracle Grow garden soil or the fertilizer and her's are about half as > big as mine. That stuff really works! > > So any way, I'm now officially a Virginia farmer...ha! > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1894 - Release Date: 01/14/09 19:27:00

Jack, I have lived in the Copper Hill area for most of my 62 years and when I was growing up I can remember hearing about someone by the name of "Fuzzy" Grub. It's funny how some names always stick in your mind. I'll ask around to some of the old timers and see if they remember. The biggest problem is that most of the old timers , still living around here , are not much older then me. Thanks Jack and I'll let you know if I come up with someone who remembers Fuzzy. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [VAFLOYD] Test > Bill, > > I still have not received the two emails I posted on the forum. > Apparently they went out but for some reason I never received them back. > I have added index to all the surnames in the Floyd obits as well as links > to some other sites. You may be interested in visiting the WWII Victory > museum site. It also has a museum of cedicated to auto racing. The > museums are sponsored by dvk foundatio, the owner of the Auburn, Chord, > Dusenburg museum in Auburn, Indiana. If you are ever in the area that > museum is the first place to go for a racing buff. > > The Photo of the Grub man was from my mother's collection. He was from > Floyd or maybe Franklin Co., since mother grew up in the Copper Hill area > near Franklin county. Mother did not remember his name or else I did not > record it. She talked about him as being the man without a nose. > ---------------- > > Jack, > I recieved the link also. I spent time going thru some of it. The > picture > of the Grub man was interesting. When I was teaching at Floyd there was a > young man named Darian Grub, who was a student there. Darian favors this > Grub quite a bit. Was this Grub from Floyd? After getting his engineering > degree from VT he went to work for Rick Hendricks racing. Two years ago > he > was the substitute crew chief for Jimmy Johnson when Johnson won the > Daytona > 500. This year he is the crew chief for Tony Stewart and Stewart is > leading > the point standings and just won the July 4th race at Daytona. All of you > race fans out there who want to support a good ole Floyd County boy ,root > for Tony and his crew. > > -- > Jack Spangler > Ellicott City, MD > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen [email protected] > View the Floyd County Virginia Website at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafloyd/floyd.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.10/2230 - Release Date: 07/10/09 17:57:00

The Patrick County Genealogy Society will meet on Tuesday, July 21st at 6:30 p.m. in Computer Lab 101 at the Stuart Site of Patrick Henry Community College on Johnson Street in Stuart.  The program will be "Researching Your Ancestry on the Internet."  For more information, please call 276-692-5920.

John, we've really done nothing but sit around and wait for you to get back and report in! Welcome back and glad you had a good trip. My son and family, who live on the lake where the governor's real home is located outside Anchorage, report the temps have been in the high 70s to 80 and sunny. Next time fly up to Anchorage and take the train to Fairbanks with a stop at Denali Wilderness Area. Then in Fairbanks take an old paddle wheeler down the river a little way. That's a great tour package and you see an entirely different part of AK. Here I just want to get back east again to SWVA - I spent enough years in ole AK. Kay Morris in sunny (finally) Sandy, UT > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:03:22 -0500 > Subject: [VAFLOYD] not genealogy > > Well, I am back home and online. Have 122 emails in my mail box. Had a wonderful time,. Hope everyone has been behaving themselves while I was gone. > > John Sowers > Lawrence, KS > > -- >

Well, I am back home and online. Have 122 emails in my mail box. Had a wonderful time, but would have liked it more if the cruise had went to more than just the lower islands of Alaska. Did ge to see the govenors mansion in Juneau which by the way ifd land locked Our trour guide said the only way to get into Jueau was by boat, plane or birth canal. It is a nice place to visit but am not a great fan of their weather. It was in lower 60sd and cloudy most of the time. The first night out we got caught betwee and high and low pressure system and a lot of us in our group never made it to the first formal dinner. Hope everyone has been behaving themselves while I was gone. John Sowers Lawrence, KS -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 707 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

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Bill, Did you get my response? I replied at 12:44 pm but have not yet received my reply from the forum server. It is now 5:19. Jack Spangler Ellicott City, MD ===================== Jack, I recieved the link also. I spent time going thru some of it. The picture of the Grub man was interesting. When I was teaching at Floyd there was a young man named Darian Grub, who was a student there. Darian favors this Grub quite a bit. Was this Grub from Floyd? After getting his engineering degree from VT he went to work for Rick Hendricks racing. Two years ago he was the substitute crew chief for Jimmy Johnson when Johnson won the Daytona 500. This year he is the crew chief for Tony Stewart and Stewart is -- Jack Spangler Ellicott City, MD