The exact year of William Ball's birth is not known. He was probably born while his parents, John and Sarah (Rhoades ) Ball lived in Plymouth twp,PhiladelphiaCo.(Quakers) There were birth dates in Gwyneth Monthly Meeting records for two of his sisters, Sarah in 1712 and Hannah in 1715. Since John Ball; w b 1720,and Williams' brother, John Ball was a bondsman in the administration of the estate of their father, it can be assumed that John was the older of the two brothers. William Ball married Martha Brumfield (C) 1741. She was the daughter of Thomas and Susannah Brumfield of Amity township, Penna. Soon after their marriage William Ball of Douglas twsp., Philadelphia Co.,PA bought 150 acres in Hanover Twsp., on the Schukill River in a part of Philadelphia County that was to become Montgomery County in 1784. This land was adjacent to Wm. Penn's Manor line. DB records, Phila, Co., Pa. Bk"G" pg. 312; 02 Sept.1743 ; Bk "G" pp. 308-309, 3 Sept.1743. wit:Geo. Boone, Squire Boone Some have written that William Ball of Douglas twp; Pa.,( s/o John Ball and Sarah Rhoades), who married Martha Brumfield w w dau of Thomas Brumfield of Berks Co.,Pa was the William Ball who migrated to VA. My info shows that three of Wm Ball's eight children migrated from PA to Va and one migrated to KY. All three of William and Martha Ball's sons left Pa in their youth before their marriages. John Ball (1742-1806) m Sarah Ellen (Ellin) Payne of Stafford Va on 06 Nov. 1767; John Ball bought his first property in Fauquier C.,V 1769;later bought more property. Owned Ball's Mill. Thomas Ball (1754 PA- bef 1820 KY) married Mary Reed in 1781, dau of John Reed of Reed's Station, KY; William Ball (1762-bef 1800) married Ann Keas 09 Feb 1788 Fauquier Co.,Va. Wm Ball's daughters who remained in the area that is now Montgomery Co.,PA. were Mary Ball (Mary dc'd bef 1826 (nothing further), Sarah Ball married John Daniel 20 Jul 1775, Philadelphia, Pa.; Elizabeth Ball (1756-1797) married Issac Supplee 13 May 1777, Montgomery C.,Pa,; Martha Ball married Moses Yocum, Montgomery C.,PA. Wm Ball's dau Susanna (Susan) Ball (1746- 1800?) married Robert Fisher ((c) 1740-1785). Robert Fisher last appeared on Fauq C.,Va tax roll 1785. Apparently this couple moved to NJ and then migrated to Loudoun C.,Va., then to Fauquier C.,VA.. Robert Fisher's widow Susanna (Ball) Fisher married 2nd Peter Kemper (widower)18 Oct 1788 Fauquier C.,Va (copy of Marriage record) Prior to receiving Loudoun C.,V info from Pat Duncan and finding this lease on FHL film; I had only Fauquier Co. Deeds for this couple. Loudoun Co., Va. DBK K; pg 069; Dec 27, 1773; Thomas Ludwell Lee sells to Robert Fisher, his wife Susanna and first son Samuel, lease for life of 113 acres adj to James Winsor, John Dawson; I Robert Fisher appears on Tithables list; Loudoun Co.,Va 1772-1775..... Robert bought land adj to John Ball ..Fauq C.,V.DBK 6:4 June 1774; Robert118 ac from on 'Licking Run' from James & Hannah Bailey. Loudoun C.,V; Jul 17 1778 DBK "M" :136 Robert Fisher, his wfe Susanna and first son Samuel sell to Jacob Calor assignment of lease of 113 ac.......Fauq c.,V.; DBK 6:476 Robert Fisher bought on 27 Jul 1778 Robert Fisher bought from James and Hannah Baily of Hamilton Parish 181 ac W side of North Branch of "Licking Run" adj to John Ball's land...... I have been trying without success to find Birth Place, and parents of Robert Fisher.....Heineman in his book "Fisher Families of the Southern States" places Robert Fisher's father, Samuel in NJ...others state Robert was born in Culpeper Co.,Va.....have found no proof re:Samuel as father of Robert Fisher. Robert and Susanna did name their first son Samuel...The names Robert and Samuel are used in each successive generation.... I have also been searching for place of marriage and marriage date for Robert Fisher and Susanna Ball.. Their first son Samuel Fisher was born 1765 Hackettstown, NJ..2nd son Dunlop Fisher was b. 31 March 1767 Hacketttstown, NJ Any help re info re Robert Fisher parentage or place of marriage will be greatly appreciated.. best regards, Virginia a few of my sources: 1. "Ball Cousins" by Margaret K. Kinsey CG 2. Kemper Family of the US 3. Will;"B" proved 28th Aug 1783, Berks C.,PA.,Thomas Brumfield's 4. Will:"B" proved 24th July 1797;Solomon Brumfield's Solomon mentions his share in a Furnace for making Iron, a Grist Mill, Sands and (looks like"Mesuages?") & tenaments whatsoever in Rockingham Co.,Va. Martha Brumfield Ball's brother Solomon is Bur: Exeter "Friends" Burial ground, Berk's Co.,Pa. It is possible that Martha and other Brumfields (Broomfields) may be interred @ Exeter "Friends" Burial ground. 5. DBK 10:320; FauquierC.,V.Samuel Fisher, s/o of Robert Fisher) and wife Mary sell tract on "Licking Run" corner to John Ball and Peter Kemper.to Wm Withers Sr;. Peter Kemper and his wife Susanna release any claim they might have.............. 6. Ancestral File of descendent's of Robert Fisher & Susannna Ball's dau Mary Fisher w married Wm Mountjoy 15 April 1796 Fauq c.,Va.(this record shows Robert Fisher as born in Culpeper C.,V. I have found nothing so far in that county.....) 7. Exerpts from the bible of Joseph Fisher, grandson of Robert and Susanna Ball Fisher 8. a history of John Roades Family & descendents by Ella K. Bernard Baltimore Press 1909, Carlisle, Pa. "Decendents of William and Mary Maltby" (Mary Roades Maltby was sister to John Roades Sr.) 9. Pennsylvania Pioneer by Gans: was very good concerning the Ball Estate Association Report, but seemed to have confused Penna Balls because of similar 1st names and some other VA Ball familys, In a message dated 12/11/03 8:06:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, lsstarr@pilgrimage.us writes: > > > >5William Ball b 1718 marr MArtha Bromfield died 1785 in Culpeper. Was a > >vestryman and G > >justice like his father inherited 400 acres of land hiiis father. they had > at > >least one Dau > > > > According to Margaret Kinsey in _Ball Cousins_, the William Ball > who married Martha Brumfield most likely died before 1774, the date of her > father's will. Martha's husband William was the son of John Ball and Sarah > Roades, Quakers from Pennsylvania. Martha was the daughter of Thomas > Brumfield who died before 28 Aug 1783 in Berks Co. PA. > > I know it is published that Samuel Ball's son William was the one > who married Martha Brumfield / Bromfield. Several years ago I tried to > find documentation for the marriage of Samuel Ball's son William, but > never located anything close to 'good documentation' for his marriage, let > alone the given name of his wife 'for sure'. I also seem to remember there > were two William Balls who died in 1785 -- one with slaves and lots of > property and the other almost destitute? My research records are now > packed away so I'm going by memory here. > > I feel Mrs. Kinsey makes a good case for her side -- and my > personal records reflect it. But I do admit to wondering how / why the > Pennsylvania Balls moved to northern Virginia and married into the Payne > family? According to her, the son of William Ball / Martha Brumfield "of > Pennsylvania" is Capt. John Ball (1742 - 1806) who married Sarah Ellen > Payne. Their son, John, married Alcey Withers and moved to Breckinridge > County, Kentucky. In the 1850s descendants received money from the estate > of Joseph Ball of Pennsylvania, which provides the background for Mrs. > Kinsey's work. Linda