Thanks, Linda. Good info to ponder. Were the Balls in Berks Co like the Brumfields were? -Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Linda Sparks Starr [mailto:lsstarr@pilgrimage.us] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:05 AM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: BALL Bromfield Withers, > >5William Ball b 1718 marr MArtha Bromfield died 1785 in Culpeper. Was a >vestryman and G >justice like his father inherited 400 acres of land hiiis father. they had at >least one Dau > According to Margaret Kinsey in _Ball Cousins_, the William Ball who married Martha Brumfield most likely died before 1774, the date of her father's will. Martha's husband William was the son of John Ball and Sarah Roades, Quakers from Pennsylvania. Martha was the daughter of Thomas Brumfield who died before 28 Aug 1783 in Berks Co. PA. I know it is published that Samuel Ball's son William was the one who married Martha Brumfield / Bromfield. Several years ago I tried to find documentation for the marriage of Samuel Ball's son William, but never located anything close to 'good documentation' for his marriage, let alone the given name of his wife 'for sure'. I also seem to remember there were two William Balls who died in 1785 -- one with slaves and lots of property and the other almost destitute? My research records are now packed away so I'm going by memory here. I feel Mrs. Kinsey makes a good case for her side -- and my personal records reflect it. But I do admit to wondering how / why the Pennsylvania Balls moved to northern Virginia and married into the Payne family? According to her, the son of William Ball / Martha Brumfield "of Pennsylvania" is Capt. John Ball (1742 - 1806) who married Sarah Ellen Payne. Their son, John, married Alcey Withers and moved to Breckinridge County, Kentucky. In the 1850s descendants received money from the estate of Joseph Ball of Pennsylvania, which provides the background for Mrs. Kinsey's work. Linda Linda Sparks Starr lsstarr@pilgrimage.us http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lksstarr ______________________________