Thanks Ginny, but I have known Ken Graves for several years and communicate with him and receive the Graves Association Newsletter. Before DNA we thought my John Graves was two or three generations away from Capt. Thomas Graves. Since DNA started Ken says this is as far as we have gotten with my line. So, until we find someone from my line to test this is where it is. But I still don't know who my next grandfather to me, James Graves will 1871 in Culpeper married Sarah "unknown". They were originally in Spotsylvania and Orange County before Culpeper. So, Sarah "unknown" is what I am trying to find. I need a maiden name if there is one to be found. Marianne Dillow ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a wonderful Graves Family Newsletter put out by editor, Ken Graves. They have a very active Graves DNA. Please contact Ken Graves for DNA information To sign up for his newsletter OR to share Graves information. His E Mail address is [email protected] ** Also below is the URL for Capt. Thomas Graves lineage for those who wonder if their lines connect. http://www.gravesfa.org/gen169.htm Ginny Keefer