Hi Shirley! Sorry I took so long to get back. I found a deed in Jackson County, AL for a Holder. Vol. G, page 214, James Kelso sells to Joshua Holder, May 19, 1856. Not much else. In regard to the Carr family, it's interesting to find out that your research on the Carrs shows that they were involved in Indian fights. That certainly is an intuitive tie between my family and yours. As far as Smauel Carr, b. 1803, is concerned, I have a question. Do you know where he was born? My 4th gr grandfather reported birth in SC. I don't know the specific county. I suspect it was on the Georgia border, possibly the Oconee area. Was your family ever in South Carolina? My line of Carrs had a close connection with a Keith family. Where there was a Keith, there was a Carr. I have traced the Keiths from VA to GA, then to AL. I suspect that my Carrs went from VA, to GA to SC, then to Alabama. We'll see what happens and I'll definitely keep you informed. Robert Schneider Hello Robert - We have corresponded before and it appears you are having better luck than am I. I strongly suspect your John Carr was a brother to my Samuel Carr, b 1803, and son of George Carr who was b in 1746 New Jersey to Walter Carr. George accompanied by Samuel Carr traveled from the Franklin Co., TN area to Illinois in the 1810-1820 time period and spent a bit of time with a brother of George's, James Carr, before moving on to Franklin Co., MO then Morgan Co., MO (where George died in 1835/36). Samuel took his family (married a daughter, Mary, of Augustin Sims in Illinois) to Lawrence Co., MO and finally settled in Dade Co., MO about 1845. This Carr family seem to have all been Indian fighters and wanderers. My connection to Fauquier is a perfect match on DNA with two ladies who have a proven paper trail to LUKE HOLDER b abt 1725. Luke was the Father of Capt/Col John Holder who was known for his assistance to Daniel Boone in the beginning of Fort Boonesboro, KY and as an Indian Fighter. However, my paper trail does not go to Luke but must belong with a brother of Luke. We have several names of Holders in the Fauquier/Loudon counties born in the 1710-1720 time period who we think are brothers, but can't seem to connect together for lack of their Father's name. They are DAVIS HOLDER, JOSEPH HOLDER AND WILLIAM HOLDER. Known descendants of William and I share a close DNA connection, but my 3rd G Grandfather, Solomon Holder, b 1769 does not appear to be a son of William. We don't have a DNA sample from the Davis group, but they have their family documented and Solomon doesn't seem to belong to them either. Therefore I'm pointing at Joseph. I know he didn't stay long in Fauquier, (married a daughter of James Cox in Orange Co., VA about 1735according to the Cox Will), then migrated on to Johnston Co., NC and Surry Co., NC. I'm hoping someone in Fauquier/Loudon/Prince William can help with the beginnings of this family. Keep me posted on your findings about your Carrs. I'm sure we can count each other a cousin. Shirley Holder Antrim