Jean, et al, In fact, the long-held tradition of the origins of William Strother the immigrant, of Millbank (now in K. Geo. Co.), was completely disproven through DNA testing several years ago. The William Strother Society is still doing y-chromosome DNA tests from Strothers around the world (England, Canada, Australia) to try to pinpoint a closer line to investigate. One line tested shows promise but has never been documented before, so a lot of research is having to be done. -Nancy Upshaw -----Original Message----- From: jeanbout@juno.com [mailto:jeanbout@juno.com] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:22 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re-examine articles in Va. Genealogists The best genealogical library in the Washington Metro is the DAR's library. Of course, old applications really need to be re-examined. Borrowing Chaucer's words, the DAR has more books "than the world has grasses". More than the Library of Congress's research facility. Also, old articles in "Virginia Genealogists" need to be re-examined. One of it claims my maternal grandmother to be a descendant of Charlemagne 22 times through William Strother and William Thornton. I do not take the author's version to the bank. At the first reunion at Fredericksburg in the early 1990s, I learned that some members of the Society of William Strother went to England and were not able to locate any verified documents that show the connection between Strother and Charlemagne through William the Conqueror. Beware of the infamous Gustav Anjou for distributing false pedigrees for wealthy people. Eeewwww. JeanBout@Juno.com Washington, DC ____________ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ______________________________

9/29/2003, wlgreene@ij.net sent: I was reading an interesting article about Leeds Manor and some questions come to mind about the Marshall and Martin families of Fauquier. http://www.patc.net/history/archive/leeds.html The 1815 Virginia Landowners book has David Stigler as a Virginian Landowner of Blue Ridge and Leeds Manor. Does anyone know what part of Leeds Manor was his property? Josiah Look Dickenson, in his book "The Fairfax Proprietary", 1959, shows that in 1792, David Stigler had a lease for "lives" of himself and Samuel & Benjamin his sons about a mile or so south of the village of Linden, Warren Co., VA. There was also a James Stigler, Sarah, his wife and Catherine, their daughter, who had a lease adjoining David. I'm distantly related to Robert Morris, the financier of the Revolution, through the Morris family of Greene County, Pennsylvania. Richard Morris left Virginia for Greene County, Pennsylvania and that's where he died. According to the above article his daughter married James Markham Marshall of Fauquier and his son John Marshall is on my family document for Price Stigler. I didn't realize Robert Morris was connected to the Marshalls. James Markham Marshall, b.1764, Fauquier Co., VA., d. 1848, same, 1795 married Hester Morris, dau. Rob't Morris, b. 1774, d. 1816, Fauquier Co. John (called "Navy John" because of his Naval Service and to separate from the many cousins named John) b. 1804, d. 1855, m. 1st Mary Jane Shackelford Payne and 2nd. Rebecca Smith. John resigned his commission in the Navy when he married Mary. They settled between the villages of Hume and Orlean in Fauquier Co., VA. Nancy Stigler (daughter of David Stigler) married Charles Martin and I'm wondering if he was related to the Martins that owned Leeds Manor. I didn't think Leeds Manor was part of my family history but I guess it is. Interesting. Hope this helps, Bill Stribling

I suggest you try to get a copy of "The Fairfax proprietary", by Josiah Look Dickenson, 1959. This book includes the history, geographical location, maps, lists of lease holders among other pertinent info. Inter-library loan may be the best source. Bill Stribling

18th Century Law Talk Thought maybe some of you would be interested in this site. June

Camp meetings were popular during early times and into the twentieth century. They were usually held near springs and people came and camped out. The meeting were held under the trees and in shelters built of brush, hence, they were also called "brush arbor" meetings. In Washington county Virginia one was held on White Top Mountain and attracted people from all over the area and beyond. There was a lot of music and gospel singing in addition to preaching. My uncle took a truck load of people up to White Top during the 1930s and one of my cousins wasn't at the truck when they got ready to leave and he had to walk the thirty miles back home. He laid down to sleep and lost one of his shoes and had to walk bare footed the rest of the way. Eleanor Roosevelt came from Washington by train to attend the meeting at White Top. There were other camp meetings in this area, one at Laurel Springs north of Abingdon and an all day meeting on Clinch Mountain. They handled snakes at the Clinch Mountain meeting and stood on a large rock and preached. People of all faiths attended these meetings, they were as much social meetings as religious. G. Lee Hearl... >>>Does anyone know what "camp meeting" means? Sounds like Baptist to me. However...... Elizabeth's great-granddaughter (my great-grandmother) was a Methodist. Janean<<<< G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

My grandmother was Baptized at the Rappahannock Baptist Church Jan. 1908 at the age of 19. She was dropped from the rolls of the church on 4/1908 because she joined the Methodist. All of her children grew up Methodist. June

Camp meeting: A revival, usually of Methodists, commonly held in a tent or open field. Families often brought food and bedding, and stayed for two of three days. Revival: A number of evangelistic meetings held on consecutive days for the purpose of creating religious enthusiasm. These were often treated as social events, with people coming from miles away. There were also rivalries as between the "forty-gallon" Baptist and the "sprinkle-wrinkle" Methodists. Both of these titles were derived from the method of baptism, with Baptists believing in immersion (streams were often used) and the Methodists believing in a sprinkling on of waters. baptism: An initiation into a church which is performed by a recognized leader of the church. The ceremony is performed by immersion in water or by sprinkling of water on the person. Some churches do not baptize infants and Quakers do not practice baptism. Baptist: A Protestant religious group who believes that baptism by immersion is to be given only to believers above the age of twelve. Hard Shell Baptist is a person who is a strict, exacting person of the church. June

I wonder if this would be why my people (John Wilson and Elizabeth Chinn) got married in Frederick Co. MD I have yet to figure out, but believe the Chinn family was Presbyterian. Elizabeth wrote something curious in a letter to her son that seems like maybe they had converted or dissented. "Polly Chinn and Betty are living in town both strict Method[ist]..... Mrs Channel is well at our camp meeting last week got converted there is a great many converts in this place all for the better I hope....." Does anyone know what "camp meeting" means? Sounds like Baptist to me. However...... Elizabeth's great-granddaughter (my great-grandmother) was a Methodist. Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: <KDale60909@aol.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:14 PM Subject: Re: May 28th Court 1781 Fauquier County > In a message dated 9/29/03 12:58:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Cpzb4@aol.com > writes: > > > > Dissenters meaning: A person who leaves a church. A person who disagrees > > with a popular action or school of thought. > > > > > > And in this case, anyone who wasn't Protestant Episcopal (the inheritor of > the Church of England role in local government). Presbyterians, as the > successors to the Church of Scotland, were fairly well accepted in the Federalist > period, but Baptist and Quakers were definitely outsiders. The true meaning of the > First Amendment's freedom of religion clause hadn't quite sunk in yet (still > hasn't, in some cases!)---at least in the House of Burgesses. They simply > turned the C of E glebe lands over to the Protestant Episcopal church--prompting > hundreds of protesting petitions from many "dissenting" Virginians over the > clause about government sponsoring a single religion. Those petitions always > seemed to me one of the first real "stands" for the Bill of Rights. > > Many of these petitions, including several from Fauquier, are online at > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/repehtml/rpabout.html > > Karen Dale > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb,your generous donations to > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 >

Hastily speedy typing causes errors: Robert Morris died in Philadelphia, Pa but some of his relatives went to Greene County, Pennsylvania.

Thanks, Margaret, for the enlightenment about primogenture and intestacy. [have I spelled that correctly?]. My colonial family of Albemarle Co (previously of Louisa Co. and of Hanover Co.).--Christopher Harris & 2nd wife Agnes McCord--packed up with most of their children of the 1st and 2nd marriage of Chris--and removed to Madison Co., KY. Many other Albemarle Co. folks will also be found in that general vicinity, not to mention Fauquier Co. folks, like Kempers (in Garrard Co.), Holtzclaws (in Mercer Co.), Rossers in Mercer Co. and so on. Christopher's eldest son, Dabney Harris, however, went to North Carolina. The early tax lists of Kentucky, as well as the 1787 Census of Virginia, compiled by Netti Schreiner-Yantis and Florine S. Love, need to be examined if one has Virginia ancestors. It seems Christopher Harris held personal property in both Albemarle Co., KY and in Madison Co., KY. He died testate in Madison Co., but long after his death, his heirs turned up a piece of property about which they had not known. The purchaser had discovered it, it seems, and in order to get clear title, he must have contacted the heirs!!! Strange goings-on. I can hardly do research without researching tax records and deeds, and probates, when available. Many people are looking for cemetery inscriptions--I think for the most part, my early families either didn't have tombstones, or else they have eroded. E.W.Wallace

Correction on name: Richard Morris is Robert Morris sorry for the mixup -----Original Message----- From: W. Greene [mailto:wlgreene@ij.net] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:49 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Leeds Manor I was reading an interesting article about Leeds Manor and some questions come to mind about the Marshall and Martin families of Fauquier. http://www.patc.net/history/archive/leeds.html The 1815 Virginia Landowners book has David Stigler as a Virginian Landowner of Blue Ridge and Leeds Manor. Does anyone know what part of Leeds Manor was his property? I'm distantly related to Robert Morris, the financier of the Revolution, through the Morris family of Greene County, Pennsylvania. Richard Morris left Virginia for Greene County, Pennsylvania and that's where he died. According to the above article his daughter married James Markham Marshall of Fauquier and his son John Marshall is on my family document for Price Stigler. I didn't realize Robert Morris was connected to the Marshalls. Nancy Stigler (daughter of David Stigler) married Charles Martin and I'm wondering if he was related to the Martins that owned Leeds Manor. I didn't think Leeds Manor was part of my family history but I guess it is. Interesting. ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I was reading an interesting article about Leeds Manor and some questions come to mind about the Marshall and Martin families of Fauquier. http://www.patc.net/history/archive/leeds.html The 1815 Virginia Landowners book has David Stigler as a Virginian Landowner of Blue Ridge and Leeds Manor. Does anyone know what part of Leeds Manor was his property? I'm distantly related to Robert Morris, the financier of the Revolution, through the Morris family of Greene County, Pennsylvania. Richard Morris left Virginia for Greene County, Pennsylvania and that's where he died. According to the above article his daughter married James Markham Marshall of Fauquier and his son John Marshall is on my family document for Price Stigler. I didn't realize Robert Morris was connected to the Marshalls. Nancy Stigler (daughter of David Stigler) married Charles Martin and I'm wondering if he was related to the Martins that owned Leeds Manor. I didn't think Leeds Manor was part of my family history but I guess it is. Interesting.

FYI There was a petition regarding disestablishment presented to the legislature called the 10,000 named petition. It was published in The Magazine of Virginia Genealogy within the last few years. I think it is on line at the Library of Congess web site. Does anyone recall? I think this took place about 1775 or so. Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

Primogeniture only played a role if the person died intestate. Folks seemed to have a habit of writing their will just a month or two before they died. Many wills named all of the children in the distribution of the land. Land was plentiful for the first few generations. But each generation divided and re-divided the land again and again until the parcels were not profitable. It took about 52 acres to support a person. The soil in the tidewater played out after so many plantings. With each generation folks moved further and further west pushing the frontier further out until they came up against the mountains. They were met by the folks from Pennsylvania, Delaware and New Jersey moving where they could get land to raise their families. Land policies were not as generous there as they were in Virginia. Often the entire family sold their land and moved to Kentucky, Ohio or Tennessee. IN a study I did of Albemarle Co. Virginia, the court document of Albemarle were continued in Elbert County, GA where many of the families that lived on the Buck Island Creek area moved to Georgia and continued the pattern of intermarriage there and several went on to Alabama as new land opened up. Whenever new land was safe to move to, folks usually with a kinship web based on intermarrying cousins and in one instance a whole church congregation went together and to give each other support. Margaret Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

In a message dated 9/29/03 2:08:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, BobKamman@aol.com writes: > I feel compelled to point > out that the Bill of Rights was not ratified until December 15, 1791 -- Obviously true to anyone with a modicum of education--the petitions I was referring to were roughly 1797-1800--I believe the two from Fauquier were 1797.

Is this why so many of my Virginians headed to North Carolina ca 1748 or to Kentucky after the Revolution? Many of them were Baptists. E.W.Wallace

One well-known Virginia genealogist-lecturer-former archivist has said in public: Virginia was the most English of ALL the colonies. So the Church of England ways pervaded long after the Revolution!!! Another historian-lecturer said that primogeniture was also slow to be overcome!! That's why the younger sons kept moving West, I am sure! E.W.Wallace

They allowed others to perform marriages but made them apply in person to Richmond to get their license. For some it was difficult to travel. Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

KDale60909@aol.com writes: The true meaning of the First Amendment's freedom of religion clause hadn't quite sunk in yet As the resident history major with a law degree, I feel compelled to point out that the Bill of Rights was not ratified until December 15, 1791 -- with Virginia providing the last state approval required.

The best genealogical library in the Washington Metro is the DAR's library. Of course, old applications really need to be re-examined. Borrowing Chaucer's words, the DAR has more books "than the world has grasses". More than the Library of Congress's research facility. Also, old articles in "Virginia Genealogists" need to be re-examined. One of it claims my maternal grandmother to be a descendant of Charlemagne 22 times through William Strother and William Thornton. I do not take the author's version to the bank. At the first reunion at Fredericksburg in the early 1990s, I learned that some members of the Society of William Strother went to England and were not able to locate any verified documents that show the connection between Strother and Charlemagne through William the Conqueror. Beware of the infamous Gustav Anjou for distributing false pedigrees for wealthy people. Eeewwww. JeanBout@Juno.com Washington, DC ____________ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!