I started the BARTLETT-DNA Project last fall and have had a wonderful adventure with this new genealogy tool. My ancestor, Thomas BARTLETT c1730-1806 lived in Fauquier Co, VA 1768 to 1785, having been raised in Richmond Co, VA. He moved most of his family to Harrison Co, VA in 1785, and I've documented ~10,000 of his descendants. I've undertaken a project to find his ancestors, and that has led me to a larger project to document all the BARTLETTs, BARTLEYs, BARKLEYs, BERKLEYs, etc. in Colonial Virginia. Our DNA Project has helped a lot; and I will confess that I am a fan of DNA testing. If you want to learn more about DNA and Genealogy, here are some links: http://www.dnaftb.org/dnaftb/ An animated Primer on DNA, genes and heridity http://www.kerchner.com/kerchdna.htm Kerchner DNA Project with good web & book bibliography at end http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html DNA 101 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cst/bartlett/dnainfo.htm BARTLETT DNA Web Site (stuff I've written) If you REALLY want to learn a lot, subscribe to Genealogy-DNA-L@rootsweb.com That list ranges from DNA newbies to some really experienced folks who have a lot of patience with newbies, but can also get into the world of statistics; DNA studies linking back to the dawn of mankind; etc, etc. All you ever wanted to know and much, much more. The Y-DNA test is a simple cheek swab (no blood/pain) of a male descendant. The 12 or 25 marker result is then compared with the markers of other descendants (and everyone else in the database). Even a 23/25 marker match means a probable common ancestor. A 25/25 match means a greater than 50% probability of a match within the past 7 generations. A 20/25 match means there is probably no match in Colonial America (ie any match would be more than 500 years ago. Notice I've always used "probable" - there are no absolutes (it's all based on the very small chance of a single gene changing (mutating) from one generation to the next) In the particular case of our project, we've determined three broad haplogroups among Colonial BARTLETTs; One with origins from Northern Europe (like Vikings) [all BARTLETTs with New England genealogies have been from this group, so far]; the most common one from Central Europe (England, etc.); and one from the Mediterranean to Southern Europe (mine). These are very distinct groups which don't tie together until 10,000s of years ago. Within these groups there are other variations, showing separate lines within Colonial Virginia. From the DNA results we've determined several paper genealogies that can't be correct [subsequent scrutiny has revealed flaws in the research]; in two cases we've discovered a paternity issue (eg, the mother may have been a BARTLETT, but the father wasn't); we've uncovered close links and distinct non-links that have significantly changed the focus/direction of the research effort. We've linked a BARTLEY and a BARTLETT line (25/25 matching DNA which verified the paper research); and are now trying to sort out the Loudoun Co, VA BERKLEYs, including several who used the BARTLETT surname. For sure: a 24/25 or 25/25 match means there is probably a common ancestor within Colonial times; a 20/25 match or less means don't continue to try to find records to link these families within Colonial times. I'm not an expert on DNA, but I'd be happy to pass along our experience with this project... Jim Bartlett, Gaithersburg, MD -----Original Message----- From: MRCACG@aol.com Sent: Oct 2, 2003 2:20 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: VAFAUQUI-L: DNA testing My understanding is that for a comparison one must have a clear paper trail, and the participants should be no closer than 3rd cousin.

Can someone tell me where WILLIAM MCDANIEL SR. had land in Hamilton Parish? The time period is 1770-1780s. Also what religious denomination was he connected with? http://community.webtv.net/MLowrie/BERRYMANMCDANIEL

My understanding is that for a comparison one must have a clear paper trail, and the participants should be no closer than 3rd cousin. My Garrett ancestor who lived in Fauquier co left no official record telling who his parents were. However family tradiiton assigns him to a Henry Garrett who was in both Loudoun [1810]and Fauquier Co. [1820 census]. I have been able to link Henry to his father through the personal property rolls, muster reports and church records. So a male descendant of Sydnor Garrett has agreed to submit his DNA for testing and comparison with a proven descendant of the snuff line where I think they belong. This has a clear objective and we hope to confirm through DNA the circumstancial case. I know of another case in the Taliaferro family where those who spelled the name Tolliver thought they descended from Taliferros. Their test proved they did not and gave them the anthropological orgins of the group from which they do descend. Some are so caught up with the use of science to prove what reserch has not that they plunk their money down without a clear objective. Not wise in my opinion. Margaret Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

For those of you interested in DNA testing to determine lineage, I recommend to you some past issues of Family Chronicle, a magazine devoted to genealogists. I feel fairly certain you can purchase past issues. However, check their webpage by using www.google.com and typing in family chronicle. There have been several articles by physician/researchers/scientists treating of this matter. I am NOT interested myself, as my maiden name was Williams!!! And, how many messed up Williams genealogies are in print and on the internet. E.W.Wallace

wlgreene@ij.net writes: My understanding is your surname has to be Strother and all 25 of your DNA markers must match perfectly with a male descendant of William Strother to prove you are related to him. DNA testing can be part of genealogy, but its purposes and limitations should be recognized. There was an article about it by John Seabrook, in the New Yorker, a year or so ago -- unfortunately, I don't think it's available anywhere online. Male-chromosome DNA is passed on from father to son, unchanged, except for occasional variations. 24 out of 25 would probably work, over several generations. If one Strother living today, has DNA that substantially matches the DNA of another Strother living today, it may prove that the two are related. However, it does not prove that either one of them is a descendant of William Strother, or anyone else. Only Mrs. Strother knows the father of her sons, and she probably didn't leave a diary. Also, the Strothers may have adopted two sons, neither of whom had any DNA in common with their adoptive parents. This could have resulted in two lines of Strothers with differing DNA but equal claims to the Strother heritage.

E. Wallace, Is there anyway we can have the subject line preset with VAFAUQUI before each subject is inputted by the lister as it is done on most lists? It is hard to know sometimes if the messages from this list are coming from the list or are unwanted junk mail that you do not want to open because of the way the subject line is stated. Chocy

Are we researchers so overcome with our research efforts that we cannot take the time to change the subject of each e-mail which we send? Please do a better job--you will be a better researcher--or at least recorder of your research efforts. E.W.Wallace

I am sending names to you all who are researching in and around the Middleburg Va area. These names are from a letter of my Elizabeth "Betsey" Wilson (nee CHINN) dated 1832 in Middleburg. I'm hoping someone recognizes these names. Janean Bill Beveridge Mrs. Channel Frank Chinn old Charles Chinn John is married to ----Burns Urias daughter Glays Murry (could be Gladys Murray) died last winter (1831) husband Rheubin (by August of 1832..... "is as full of another wife as he can be" Stephen Rawlins (is dead) Tom [ ] owell (Powell?) The Shinners (probably Skinners) is all at the old place - 7 in number, and Sandy one of the greatest dandys of the flock. Polly Chinn and Betty Lucy Bartan (is dead) and left Sally [ ] children and nothing in this world to support them she is thought nothing of by her father nor sisters

There is a village of Orlean in Fauquier County -- however, I don't think you could get there by steamboat! New Orleans is probably the intended destination. Jeff Hume-Pratuch Researching Hume(s), George, Kines, & Kearn(e)s In Fauquier/Prince William/Stafford, Va. > -----Original Message----- > From: Janean Ray [mailto:JRay38@neo.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:01 AM > To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Leeds Manor > > > Where is or was Orlean. Here is something from a letter of > my Elizabeth Chinn WILSON to her son: However, I believe she > was speaking of New Orleans > > Middleburg August 12, 1832 > Dear Son/ > In your last letter to me you informed me of your intended > trip to Orleans I was very sorry to think that you could not > do without going to that place I always was opposed to you > going there I have seen in papers so many accidents from steamboats > > Janean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Bilannstrb@aol.com> > To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: Leeds Manor > > > > > > > > 9/29/2003, wlgreene@ij.net sent: > > > > I was reading an interesting article about Leeds Manor and some > > questions come to mind about the Marshall and Martin families of > > Fauquier. > > > > http://www.patc.net/history/archive/leeds.html > > > > The 1815 Virginia Landowners book has David Stigler as a Virginian > Landowner > > of Blue Ridge and Leeds Manor. Does anyone know what part of Leeds > > Manor was his property? > > > > Josiah Look Dickenson, in his book "The Fairfax > Proprietary", > > 1959, shows that in 1792, David Stigler had a lease for "lives" of > > himself and > Samuel & > > Benjamin his sons about a mile or so south of the village > of Linden, > Warren > > Co., VA. There was also a James Stigler, Sarah, his wife > and Catherine, > > their daughter, who had a lease adjoining David. > > > > I'm distantly related to Robert Morris, the financier of the > > Revolution, through the Morris family of Greene County, > Pennsylvania. > > Richard Morris left Virginia for Greene County, Pennsylvania and > > that's where he died. According to the above article his daughter > > married James Markham Marshall of Fauquier and his son John > Marshall > > is on my family document for Price Stigler. I didn't > realize Robert > > Morris was connected to the Marshalls. > > > > James Markham Marshall, b.1764, Fauquier Co., VA., d. 1848, > > same, > 1795 > > married Hester Morris, dau. Rob't Morris, b. 1774, d. 1816, > Fauquier > > Co. John (called "Navy John" because of his Naval Service and to > > separate > from > > the many cousins named John) b. 1804, d. 1855, m. 1st Mary Jane > Shackelford > > Payne and 2nd. Rebecca Smith. John resigned his commission in the > > Navy > when he > > married Mary. They settled between the villages of Hume > and Orlean in > Fauquier > > Co., VA. > > > > Nancy Stigler (daughter of David Stigler) married Charles > Martin and > > I'm wondering if he was related to the Martins that owned > Leeds Manor. > > > > I didn't think Leeds Manor was part of my family history > but I guess > > it > is. > > Interesting. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Bill Stribling > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb > Archives! Special > > thanks to go to RootsWeb,your generous donations to RootsWeb makes > > this all possible. Find out more! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > > > ______________________________ >

A google search brought up some very interesting sites. Seems as though the Baptists were squabbling amongst themselves near the end of the 19th century. Thumb Run Church http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/Resolution-ThumbRun.html Meeting Houses http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/Resolution-ThumbRun.html Broad Run Baptist Ch Minutes Carter, "Shurley", Davis, Cornwell, Nash, and others from Heflin's Bicentennial Booklet http://www.shirleyassociation.com/broad_run_baptist_church_minutes.htm

RE: Question on Orlean location. South of Thumb Run, north of Carter's Run, near rt. 688, about 3 miles from Rappahannock. This was within the Manor of Leeds, near the south corner. Some references are in the Bicentennial book for Fauquier, 1959, and also on Dickinson's map, in The Fairfax Proprietary. Regards, Dick Fletcher

I had my DNA tested recently through Family Tree DNA Green/e Surname Study Project and I'm still waiting for a perfect match with another Green. My understanding is your surname has to be Strother and all 25 of your DNA markers must match perfectly with a male descendant of William Strother to prove you are related to him. I tried contacting the Strother Society to see if they would match my DNA but they turned me down because my surname is not Strother. I suspect my Martha Stigler of King George was related to the Strothers, a relationship is there but the "smoking gun" document is hard to find. If your surname is not Strother then DNA testing would not benefit you, except for your own surname. You're lucky if you can prove your connection to the Strothers through paperwork. -----Original Message----- From: BobKamman@aol.com [mailto:BobKamman@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 7:32 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Re-examine articles in Va. Genealogists & Strother DNA nupshaw@compuserve.com writes: the long-held tradition of the origins of William Strother the immigrant, of Millbank (now in K. Geo. Co.), was completely disproven through DNA testing several years ago. I would be interested in knowing how DNA can be used to "completely disprove" a genealogical connection -- unless, of course, the original ancestor's body is dug up and tested after being identified for certain, and adoptions "don't count." ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== Visit the Fauquier County USGenWeb Home Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafauqui/fqva.htm Be sure to bookmark it!!!

Janean, Have you visited the Mount Olivet Cemetery in Frederick, Maryland. My gr gr gr grandmother Mary Anna Gifford is buried next to the Sinn site. The site is a few yards from Francis Scott Key's grave and monument. (My Gifford was a native of Massachusetts, so she had no connection with the Sinn family.) I would reckon that Sinn was a spelling variant for Chinn??? Regards, JeanBout@Juno.Com ______________________ On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:21:25 -0400 "Janean Ray" <JRay38@neo.rr.com> writes: > I wonder if this would be why my people (John Wilson and Elizabeth > Chinn) > got married in Frederick Co. MD I have yet to figure out, but > believe the > Chinn family was Presbyterian. Elizabeth wrote something curious in > a > letter to her son that seems like maybe they had converted or > dissented. > "Polly Chinn and Betty are living in town both strict > Method[ist]..... Mrs > Channel is well at our camp meeting last week got converted there is > a great > many converts in this place all for the better I hope....." > > Does anyone know what "camp meeting" means? Sounds like Baptist to > me. > However...... Elizabeth's great-granddaughter (my great-grandmother) > was a > Methodist. Janean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <KDale60909@aol.com> > To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: May 28th Court 1781 Fauquier County > > > > In a message dated 9/29/03 12:58:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > Cpzb4@aol.com > > writes: > > > > > > > Dissenters meaning: A person who leaves a church. A person who > disagrees > > > with a popular action or school of thought. > > > > > > > > > > And in this case, anyone who wasn't Protestant Episcopal (the > inheritor of > > the Church of England role in local government). Presbyterians, as > the > > successors to the Church of Scotland, were fairly well accepted in > the > Federalist > > period, but Baptist and Quakers were definitely outsiders. The > true > meaning of the > > First Amendment's freedom of religion clause hadn't quite sunk in > yet > (still > > hasn't, in some cases!)---at least in the House of Burgesses. They > simply > > turned the C of E glebe lands over to the Protestant Episcopal > church--prompting > > hundreds of protesting petitions from many "dissenting" Virginians > over > the > > clause about government sponsoring a single religion. Those > petitions > always > > seemed to me one of the first real "stands" for the Bill of > Rights. > > > > Many of these petitions, including several from Fauquier, are > online at > > > > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/repehtml/rpabout.html > > > > Karen Dale > > > > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb,your generous donations to > > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > > > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Fauquier County USGenWeb Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafauqui/fqva.htm > Be sure to bookmark it!!! > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Janean & fellow listers, I visited the LDS Church Library today. I came across the following and thought I would share it with you concerning the subject of your letter. "Fauquier Co., VA-The Foothills" By Clara S. McCarty The stageline between Winchester and Fredericksbury connected at the great post road which ran from Baltimore to New Orleans and after the spring of 1836 with the Winchester & Potomac Railroad the stage lefte Frederickburgs on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday returning the following day. Best regards, Chocy

nupshaw@compuserve.com writes: the long-held tradition of the origins of William Strother the immigrant, of Millbank (now in K. Geo. Co.), was completely disproven through DNA testing several years ago. I would be interested in knowing how DNA can be used to "completely disprove" a genealogical connection -- unless, of course, the original ancestor's body is dug up and tested after being identified for certain, and adoptions "don't count."

Some of your Fauquier Co. folks (and from surrounding counties) may have migrated to Kentucky with the Traveling Church. For websites pertaining to this rather large group (no tour buses then), do a www.google.com search Put in quotation marks "traveling church" There are quite a few links. If curious, click on each one!!! Have fun!!! Ancestors are where you find them--criminal cases at times, homestead papers at times, old newspapers (another murder!!!), divorce records, probate records in an adjoining state. Don't get hung up on censuses!!! E.W.Wallace

Hi everyone i am trying to locate where Joseph Darnell Putman is buried. He died in Fauquier County Virginia between 1850 and 1860. Joseph owned a grist mill on firey run near the west base of oven top mountain and later sold it to John Marshall. Thanks for any and all help on this family. Marilyn

Where is or was Orlean. Here is something from a letter of my Elizabeth Chinn WILSON to her son: However, I believe she was speaking of New Orleans Middleburg August 12, 1832 Dear Son/ In your last letter to me you informed me of your intended trip to Orleans I was very sorry to think that you could not do without going to that place I always was opposed to you going there I have seen in papers so many accidents from steamboats Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bilannstrb@aol.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Leeds Manor > > > 9/29/2003, wlgreene@ij.net sent: > > I was reading an interesting article about Leeds Manor and some questions > come to mind about the Marshall and Martin families of Fauquier. > > http://www.patc.net/history/archive/leeds.html > > The 1815 Virginia Landowners book has David Stigler as a Virginian Landowner > of Blue Ridge and Leeds Manor. Does anyone know what part of Leeds Manor > was his property? > > Josiah Look Dickenson, in his book "The Fairfax Proprietary", 1959, > shows that in 1792, David Stigler had a lease for "lives" of himself and Samuel & > Benjamin his sons about a mile or so south of the village of Linden, Warren > Co., VA. There was also a James Stigler, Sarah, his wife and Catherine, > their daughter, who had a lease adjoining David. > > I'm distantly related to Robert Morris, the financier of the Revolution, > through the Morris family of Greene County, Pennsylvania. Richard Morris > left Virginia for Greene County, Pennsylvania and that's where he died. > According to the above article his daughter married James Markham Marshall > of Fauquier and his son John Marshall is on my family document for Price > Stigler. I didn't realize Robert Morris was connected to the Marshalls. > > James Markham Marshall, b.1764, Fauquier Co., VA., d. 1848, same, 1795 > married Hester Morris, dau. Rob't Morris, b. 1774, d. 1816, Fauquier Co. > John (called "Navy John" because of his Naval Service and to separate from > the many cousins named John) b. 1804, d. 1855, m. 1st Mary Jane Shackelford > Payne and 2nd. Rebecca Smith. John resigned his commission in the Navy when he > married Mary. They settled between the villages of Hume and Orlean in Fauquier > Co., VA. > > Nancy Stigler (daughter of David Stigler) married Charles Martin and I'm > wondering if he was related to the Martins that owned Leeds Manor. > > I didn't think Leeds Manor was part of my family history but I guess it is. > Interesting. > > Hope this helps, > Bill Stribling > > > > > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb,your generous donations to > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 >

I did a www.google.com search for camp meeting. (I remember a few in Texas in my childhood. There was a vacant lot next dorr to my grandfather's home, and for several summers, a camp meeting was held there. Try this URL: http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/camp+meeting E.W.Wallace

If you're looking for VA men, check the LVA web site under Military Records. The Bounty Warrants and the Rejected Claims could have been for either State or Continental service. You can read the documents to determine in which type the person served, if they appear at all. http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/mil/index.htm -Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Nora L Magee [mailto:topsey@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:15 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Continental Army Hi Does anyone know if there is a list of men who served in the Continental Army? If there is one where it can be obtained? Nora ______________________________