Dear Fauquier County, Virginia Genealogist, Several members of the list who are related to the Blackwell Family, Keith Family, Steptoe Family are reviewing out Blackwell Booklet. One of the Chapters is on the Crump Family of Northumberland, Prince William, and Fauquier County, Virginia. Anyone related to the Crump family who would like to help sorting out and adding information on the Crump families of Fauquier County, Virginia? We have about 25 pages information on the Crump family so far. Thanks Jim Burgess Fauquier County, Virginia USGENWEB

I would like to talk to those of you who are researching the Lloyd Noland family and the Burr Powell family. I am convinced that I will find the answer to my brick wall, John Wilson within these families and the allied families. Rawleigh Chinn and Fanny Tarpley had the following Elizabeth Travers Chinn m. John Wilson (my line) Samuel Rawleigh Chinn m. Emily Mayers (sp) Lucy Tarpley Chinn m. William Beveridge ********** Samuel Rawleigh Chinn and Emily had daughter Lucy Tarpley Chinn who married William Berkley Noland - who were his parents? Elizabeth Winn Smith m. Lloyd Noland (Noble Beveridge was her uncle) She had a son Noble Beveridge Noland Burr Powell m. Catherine Brooke daughter Ann Whiting Powell m. Lloyd Noland Burr Powell Noland and Susan Wilson had son Burr Powell Noland In some Fauquier Abstracts there is a John Wilson and wife Sarah 1816 deed of trust indebted to Burr Powell to secure debt paid by Lloyd Noland. There is also John Wilson and wife Sarah 1824 Deed of Trust executed by John to Wm. Wilson for debt paid by Isaac Sinclair. I have a copy of a deed on a John Wilson and wife Elizabeth, sale of property to Elijah Smith which parcel of land was situated around Sinclairs branch and was witnessed by Burr Powell. This piece of property was also once possessed by Thomas Whiting and then sold to John Wilson who sold it to Elijah Smith. Is this Elijah Smith related to Elizabeth Winn Smith? Is Thomas Whiting related to Ann Whiting Powell? I need to connect these people into some form of a line and in doing so connect them to my Wilson line. I've looked into some of these people but don't want to totally reinvent the wheel when they've been researched already to death. Thanks for any help, Janean

From Washington, D.C. Beltway: I-66 to Exit 13, East on 55 for 1 mile. Right on Rt. 638 for 2 miles, winery on right. 1 hour from D.C. Beltway. From I-81: I-81 to Rt. 66, Exit 13, Linden; East on 55 for 1 mile. Right on Rt. 638 for 2 miles, winery on right. 8 miles from Front Royal. <A HREF="http://www.lindenvineyards.com/lindenvineyards/#top">Return to the top.</A> 3708 Harrels Corner Rd., Linden, Virginia 22642 (540) 364-1997 * FAX (540) 364-3894 * E-MAIL <A HREF="mailto:linden@crosslink.net">linden@crosslink.net</A>

Fiery Run on my ADC Virginia Map Atlas shows Fiery Run comes off the Rappanhannock River in Fauquier County just below Hume Road and west of Buck Run going north to a bit north east crossing Hume Road #635 then crossing Fiery Run Rd #726 then going more north east right under Linden Vineyards. This is east of Route #522 which runs north into Front Royal (also called Remount Road aka Zachary Taylor Hwy further south at about Chester Gap and Huntly which is located near Hume Rd on the way to Wakefield going south. I would try going to google.com and putting in Linden Vineyards or Rappahannock Cellars and see if you can find a website that shows these two places which should show you the area if your lucky. Also, go to mapquest.com and put in any of the roads I mentioned above and it should get you in the area.

On Look-up night, I received this msg. regarding the Balthrope family, "Abstracts of Fauquier County, Virginia Wills, Inventories & Accounts 1800-1865 Dee Ann Buck BALTHROPE, Charles A Will wife Mary long document." Is it possible to get a copy of this will? Would it be available from inter-library loan? What would I ask to borrow? Is this a book or microfilm? Charles is on my family tree, but I did not know there was a Will. Any help would be appreciated. Barbara Missouri

Where was Fiery Run located? I was under the impression that Fiery Run was in Fauquier very close to the county line of Warren County near Linden, Virginia. Is it town or is it an unincorporated area. Thanks

Just passing along some info: http://gunstonhall.org/probate/inventory.htm I haven't looked into the whole website yet. Janean

Oliver and Riley are not my ancestors, but I seem to recall that two different people have recently submitted a query regarding the Oliver family and the Riley family. I did not realize until now when I looked at the name of spouse of William Toliver Turner's child. So I thought I might as well share the information with the interesed as follows. Descendants of William Taliaferro-Toliver Turner 1 William Toliver Turner 1823 Fauq Co - March 1865 Fauq Co .. +Martha Jane White 1824 Fauq Co - 1904 Washington, DC ......... 2 Willie Toliver Turner 1864 - 1903 ............. +Peter Riley 1861 - 1934 .................... 3 William Toliver Riley 1886 - 1924 ........................ +Marion O. Oliver .................... 3 Mary Alice Riley 1891 Fauq. Co - 1971 Wash. DC ........................ +Francis Arnold - d. 1977 Washington, DC .................... 3 Benjamin Jackson Riley 1893 - ........................ +Lucy Lee Hansberger .................... 3 Oscar Willis Riley b. 1894 Washington, DC - ........................ +Ruth M. Hayghe b. 1897 Washington, DC - .................... 3 Janette Riley 1896 - 1896 Washington, DC .................... 3 Robert B. Riley 1898 - 1898 Washington, DC Some of them are buried in Congressional Cemetery near the Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. The said Willie Toliver Turner2 was the youngest sister of my ancestor Martha Jane (Turner) Anderson who also moved to Washington, DC in 1880s and to Chevy Chase, Maryland, in 1900s and died in 1939 and has been buried in St. Park's Rock Creek Episcoplian Cemetery in Washington, DC. Regards, JeanBout@Juno.Com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Just curious to know which Baptist church would have served the Linden, Virginia area about 1790. My relatives were living in Linden, Virginia and they were Baptist. -----Original Message----- From: Bilannstrb@aol.com [mailto:Bilannstrb@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 3:13 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Goose Creek, Fauquier County, Virginia I will look up Massie for you as soon as I have a chance. I know of no books particularily on Goose Creek. Josiah Look Dickenson, in his book "The Fairfax Proprietary", 1959, shows the leases by Lord Fairfax which includes the area along the creek for about 15 miles or so from Linden. Charles Burgess got a grant for 2985 acres along the creek from about three miles west and one mile east of the present village of Markham. I have participated in some research into the ownership within that grant. It is not documented in book form at this time. Bill Stribling ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== Search this list's archived messages! http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I will look up Massie for you as soon as I have a chance. I know of no books particularily on Goose Creek. Josiah Look Dickenson, in his book "The Fairfax Proprietary", 1959, shows the leases by Lord Fairfax which includes the area along the creek for about 15 miles or so from Linden. Charles Burgess got a grant for 2985 acres along the creek from about three miles west and one mile east of the present village of Markham. I have participated in some research into the ownership within that grant. It is not documented in book form at this time. Bill Stribling

In a message dated 10/5/2003 5:02:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BobKamman@aol.com writes: > His original application was returned to him because the paperwork was not > complete. I think the Fauquier County court, which had to certify it, left > off > some signatures and didn't include testimony of the required witnesses. The > clerk of the Fauquier County court, who signed the certification, was > Alexander > J. Marshall -- no doubt a relative of Chief Justice (and Fauquier native) > John > Marshall, but does anyone here know the exact connection? There is also an > Alexander Keith Marshall, who is not the same person, and an Alexander J. > Marshall who was involved in an 1853 case before the Supreme Court, and who > I > believe is a different person. > The Chief Justice had a nephew, Alexander J. Marshall, b. Warrenton, 1803, d. Baltimore, 1882, who was a lawyer in Warrenton until he was elected Clerk of the Fauquier Court where he served for years. During the War Between The States he was in the Confederate Senate. After the war he removed to Baltimore where he died. ("The Marshall Family", by W. M. Paxton, 1885) He would have been in place to process the certification. Bill Stribling

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Hello Fauquier listers: As many of you know, Goose Creek (so named in Colonial days before the American Revolution, and still so named .... i.e. there are signs "Goose Creek" posted on I-66 just east of Manassas Gap reading "Goose Creek") rises in the Blue Ridge near Linden and flows North Eastward through Fauquier County, thence across Loudoun County and empties in to the Potomac. I have this question ( ? ? ?) for each or any of the Fauquier listers. Does anyone know of a book, paper, pamphlet or magazine (historical or otherwise) article which deals with the subject of land holdings & owners names of the land along either side of Goose Creek, in Fauquier County. As most would probably agree, since water courses were important (for a number of reasons) in early and Colonial Virginia, it would be most useful, as well as time saving, to find such a document (whether book or otherwise). For instance Thomas Massie of Frederick County had 900+ acres on Goose Creek (probably somewhere near Linden) in the 1780's which he leased (3 Lives Leases) in 160 acre tracts, but I have never been able to determine exactly where this 900+ acres was located (I.e., I have never been able to find a metes and bounds description of the 900+ acres). I have copies of three of the leases, but they describe the 160 acres by giving a "Lot" number (but do make a reference to Goose Creek). Please send me any info either on-list or off-list as you choose. Thanks for your interest ! !

I want to thank the researcher who, in recent weeks, gave this list the URL for ordering Revolutionary War pension records from the National Archives. It was something I had been wanting to "get around to" for years, but needed some inspiration. The NARA system is somewhat low-tech -- you order the paperwork online, but they then mail you forms to fill out (in triplicate, no less) and mail back. I did that a couple weeks ago. The package arrived sooner than expected from the National Archives, with the 1834 Revolutionary War pension application records of my ancestor William Jett of Fauquier County. He was certiifed to receive $20 a year, beginning August 29, 1834, and also received $70 retroactive benefits under the law enacted in June 1832. His original application was returned to him because the paperwork was not complete. I think the Fauquier County court, which had to certify it, left off some signatures and didn't include testimony of the required witnesses. The clerk of the Fauquier County court, who signed the certification, was Alexander J. Marshall -- no doubt a relative of Chief Justice (and Fauquier native) John Marshall, but does anyone here know the exact connection? There is also an Alexander Keith Marshall, who is not the same person, and an Alexander J. Marshall who was involved in an 1853 case before the Supreme Court, and who I believe is a different person. When the application was resubmitted, another county court official wrote, "There are not in the County of Fauquier more respectable men than [the witnesses] Captain Barber, John Gordon and George Monroe -- and none more so than the applicant himself -- he would long since have sent his papers down but being a man of some property and the time of his service being short -- and the amount of his claim very small -- he hardly deemed it worth the trouble." (Note: the Monroe surname is somewhat illegible; it might be Monson. I plan to research it further.) The court transcript, required to be submitted with the pension application, states that William Jett was born in 1764, and includes the following: "I was drafted under Captain John O'Bannon. Colonel Churchill commanded the regiment. We marched from Fauquier County, state of Virginia, through Fredericksburg to the city of Williamsburg, there we were stationed for some time until we were driven from that place by the British troops -- we were forced from the seaboard, and compelled to march in the interior of that country -- I was drafted for a tour of three months and served that time, it has been so long ago and I was quite young so that I have forgotten the year, but it was in the fall of the year. I was drafted again in the year of 1781. I was marched to Richmond and from thence to Yorktown. I was commanded by Captain Winn. Col. Elias Edmonds commanded the regiment, that tour we joined the Grand Army commanded by General Washington. I served during the siege of Yorktown. I was taken sick during the siege of Yorktown but never left the place. I served three months that tour also." The testimony is transcribed by a court stenographer, but signed by William Jett himself. The records also show that William Jett died in April 1851 (age 87). I ordered this $37 packet from the National Archives a couple weeks ago; they sent me a postcard last week telling me to expect an answer in 60 to 90 days. I think someone should investigate this government efficiency – I wonder if there's a Swiss mole somewhere. If any other descendants of William Jett want copies of this material, I will be happy to scan and e-mail it to you.

I was able to find the site at: http://www.homestead.com/vagenealogy/ C'ya, Joe joe0888@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cpzb4@aol.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 02:03 PM Subject: RE: New site founded/correction http://vagenealogy@homestead.com If clicking on it does not work try typing it in. I apology for the problem. I checked it myself to make sure it worked and it worked for me. Maybe, me dragging the favorite site over to the email is not working. It shows up as vagenealogy when I do that. So sorry. June ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received When you subscribed to this list. Feel free to contact Jim Burgess,list administrator mailto:jim@promobiz.biz with questions concerning this list!

http://vagenealogy@homestead.com If clicking on it does not work try typing it in. I apology for the problem. I checked it myself to make sure it worked and it worked for me. Maybe, me dragging the favorite site over to the email is not working. It shows up as vagenealogy when I do that. So sorry. June

vagenealogy I found this site and enjoyed viewing it. It covers people from many counties. When trying to find a person this might be one of the sites to help you. The site will be updated as the information comes in. June

Hello Fauquier family researchers, Is anyone doing any work on the surname Brenner? I have Brenner ancestors in Fauquier and Loudoun counties in the late 18th century but nothing on them earlier. I am happy to share what I have. Thanks, Murray Merrill capnmur@aol.com

Tollivers who, through DNA testing, claim that they descend from a Biblical figure named Judah through his son Perez's descendant named Placido Luis Perez, a Spanish explorer. According to history, the concept of a permanent surname had not been introduced or mandated until 1600s in some countries and in 1849 in The Philippines wherein Placido Luis Perez is reported to have settled. People before 1664s had a patronymic name, a toponymic name, a descriptive name, an occu-nymic name. Following the conquest of the Dutch Colony (now New York) by the Duke of York, settlers were mandated to have a permanent surname. Also, under the Napoleonic Code in 1804, Jewish people were mandated to have a permanent surname, so most of them borrowed Christians' surnames or names from ghettoes wherein they lived -- for example a family that lived in a red chicken house called themselves "de Rothschild" (from the red chicken house) in Germany. The following list shows that a permament surname did not exist until after 1664. Patronymic: son of _________: 1. Bastiaen Laurensen (great grandfather) 2. Michiel Bastiaensen (grandfather) 3. Pieter Michielsen (father) 4. Jan Pietersen (son) 5. Laurens Jansen (grandson) #5 When some people like a Laurens Jansen migrated to Pennsylvania or Virginia from the Dutch Colony after 1664, their surname Jansen would be Anglicized to Lawrence Johnson! That is why researchers have a hard time tracing down their ancestors until they locate tax lists, deeds, wills, etc. Toponymic: a person's birthplace: Leonardo da Vinci = Leonard from Vinci (a village in Italy). His father and mother were not natives of Vinci. Jan Op De Dyke = John from the Dike (now Updike) His father was Hendrik Van Nostrand (from the island of the Noordstraandt). His father was Pieter Roosevelt (from the rose field). Descriptive: Hendrik de Groot = Henry the Tall Willem the Silent. Occu-nymic: John the gold smith became John Goldsmith John Borger = John the baker. Therefore, Placido Luis Perez could not have been a descendant of Judah's son Perez as claimed by Tollivers. While it is true through DNA testing that Tollivers and Placido Luis Perez were connected and that Placido was of Jewish Middle East descent, it does not mean that Placido Luis Perez's family had been surnamed Perez for more than 2,000 years since a Jewish Biblical figure Judah's son Perez. Maybe Placido Luis Perez's family got the name "Perez" in the Mediterranean where Romance languages, including Roumanian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, and Italian, were spoken. In the Mediterranean region, "pere" means "father." Pere with an ending of either "s" or "z" means "father's son". "Here is perez!" Perez thereafter. (Do not forget Balzac's famous novel, "Pere Goriot" <g>.) If in doubt, I encourge you to consult several scholars in Jewish studies. Regards, JeanBout@Juno.Com JeanBout@Juno.Com Poor is the pupil who does not surpass his master. - Leonardo da Vinci ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Janean, I have a family named SHINER/SHINNER in that time area. The name is found spelled many different ways. Chocy