I would try the Va. State Penitentiary in Richmond, Virginia June

Petersburg is in Dinwiddie County VA. Perhaps the Clerk of the Court could steer you in the right direction for determining if/why etc the person was incarcerated. At least you might be able to find out if there is actually a Federal Penitentiary in that area. Fort Lee military base is in Petersburg, but I wouldn't think civilians would be jailed there. Do a google search and see what you can find out. Try "Federal Penitentiary" Petersburg and then repeat the search for Fauquier, or include both in your initial query. Good Luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Evans <rbevans1@cox.net> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Federal Penitentiary > About 1937 a relative was sent to the Federal Penitentiary in Petersburg, VA for bootlegging and was kept there about a year. Does anyone know how I might find our about his prison record? Just curious about his length of imprisonment and how they worded the exact reason for his incarceration. I believe this prison is in Fauquier Co. Is it still in existence? Any information will help. > > Beverly > rbevans1@cox.net > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Fauquier County USGenWeb Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafauqui/fqva.htm > Be sure to bookmark it!!! > >

About 1937 a relative was sent to the Federal Penitentiary in Petersburg, VA for bootlegging and was kept there about a year. Does anyone know how I might find our about his prison record? Just curious about his length of imprisonment and how they worded the exact reason for his incarceration. I believe this prison is in Fauquier Co. Is it still in existence? Any information will help. Beverly rbevans1@cox.net

Does anyone have Lawrence/Lawrance ancestors of Fauquier Co. who may have migrated to Wilson Co., TN in the early 1800's? My gg-grandfather, Ranzil Hunton Rodgers (Rogers, born in Fauquier), according to the Rodgers family Bible, married a N.H. Lawrance on 27 Jun 1839, probably in either Wilson or Smith Co., TN. She died in Feb 1840 and I have been unable to find out anything about her - thought her family might be from Fauquier also. Thanks, Sandra

Hi, Saw your posting, not related, but have sources for the old Thornberry Putman. 1850 Fauquier County, Ashby District, Virginia Census All were born in Virginia Household# 468 Joseph D. Putnam 57 Farmer Nancy 60 Lucy A. 28 Catherine J. 29 Noah R. 21 Farmer Jno. B. 19 Farmer Thornbury M. 18 Farmer Household 469 Joseph D. Putman 88 Farmer Sarah 81 Sarah 50 Household# 470 Levi J. Putman 22 Mary A. 18 Household #577 Ashby District James Gill 54 Laborer Elizabeth Putman 28 Judith Gill 17 Martha Putman 11 Robin W. Gill 5 Silas W. Gill 3 A___ l___ Gill female 4/12 George R. Gill 22 Turner District, Fauquier Co. Household# 641 William G. M. Putman 29 Elizabeth 21 or 26 John K. Gott Marriage Bonds & Returns I see where they use the surname as Putnam or Putman. Elizabeth Putman and Hezekiah Rhodes Marriage Bond: 1/28/1765 Bondsman: John McNeal Nancy Putman and John Rhodes Marriage Bond: Nov. 16, 1768 Bondsman: Jno. McNeal Nancy Putman and James Sudduth/Suddoth Marriage Bond: Dec. 27, 1826 Bondsman: Joseph Putman Polly Ann Putman/Harrison Suddoth Marriage Bond: Aug. 12, 1834 Bondsman: Martin S. Putman Minister: Lemmon Marriage Date: Aug. 14, 1834 These were all spelt Putnam Com. G. M. Putnam & Landonia F. Heflin Bond: Oct. 10, 1843 Bondsman: none Minister: Brown John Putnam and Sophia Creel Bond: Dec. 4, 1826 Bondsman: d/o Harrison Marriage: Dec. 13, 1826 John B. Putnam and Elizabeth Ann Freeman Bond: March 25, 1854 Bondsman: none Levi J. Putnam and Mary A. Suddoth (Household#470 on census) Bond: Dec. 26, 1849 Martin S. Putnam and Elizabeth Gill Bond: October 10, 1840 Thornberry M. Putnam and Agness E. Ball Bond: Dec. 26, 1853 Bondsman; none William Putnam and Elizabeth Butler Bond: Sept. 6, 1847 Bondsman: none William Putnam and Landonia F. Heflin Bond: Oct 10, 1843 Bondsman: d/o Lawson William Putnam and Pency Aly Gill Bond: Feb. 8, 1817 Bondsman: d/o John Minister: Reynolds Minister reported name as Pencey Cely Gill Marriage Date: Feb 10, 1817 Joseph Putnam and Mary Gill Bond: March 4, 1817 Bondsman: d/o John Marriage date: March 6, 1817 Name was written as Joseph Putmann June

I am looking for information on where Thornberry Putman is buried. Also his son Berry Putman who died early 1940's. Berry was short for Thornberry. The first Thornberry Putman died about 1880 in Fauquier County. He might of worked a farm would like to find out where this farm was. Any help on Thornberry would be greatly appreciated. THANKS, Marilyn Marlow

Jean, Per your request: 1860 Federal Census Fauquier County, Virginia; page 249 & 250 Southwest Revenue District; "Waterloo" P.O. [pg 249] Orleans P.O. [pg 250] 869/842 Wm. T. Turner, 36, b. VA Martha J, 36, b VA Jno W, 13, b VA Mary E, 11, b. VA Lucy D, 9, b VA Charles W, 7, b VA Benj F, 5, b VA Ann Eliza, 3, b VA Martha J, 1/12, b VA

Only one William Turner listed for Fauquier County. Household#111 William Turner age 26 Farmer born in Virginia Martha 24 Jno. W. 2 Mary E. 6/12 (6 months old) June

Historic Trail Gets Scenic Rerouting Park Service Buys Blue Ridge Land By Linda Wheeler Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, October 26, 2003; Page LZ01 The National Park Service has bought a 445-acre parcel of forest, open fields and farms in Fauquier and Clarke counties that will allow it to move about one mile of the Appalachian trail from a fire road to a high point of the Blue Ridge Mountains with views of Middleburg and Upperville. The $1.2 million purchase from the Piedmont Environmental Council was announced Friday at a ceremony in Paris with officials from both organizations and Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) attending. However, actual transfer of the land occurred in late August, according to the council. The property was part of the 1,400-acre Ovoka Farm bought by the council in December 2000 for $6 million from Middleburg real estate broker Philip Thomas, who had decided to put the farm in the hands of environmentalists. It also includes the scenic acreage where a young George Washington lived and did survey work in the mid-1700s. "This action assures that the public will enjoy one of the most beautiful and historic viewsheds in America, a landscape that defines the Virginia Piedmont," Wolf said in prepared remarks. Wolf, with the aid of Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va), shepherded legislation through Congress to make the purchase. After the ceremony, Robert King of Arlington, a longtime member of the Potomac Appalachian Trail Club, and others went to see where the new trail would be laid. King painted a six-inch vertical stripe on a pole the Park Service had erected as the first official trail marker. King said the old trail had no view and generally followed a fire road while the new corridor "offers an outstanding view." "When you get up here, it is just so beautiful," he said while standing at the mountain's ridge. The park service purchase lies along the eastern side of the Blue Ridge Mountains at Ashby Gap, once the gateway for Americans heading west. The view includes 100 acres of open fields, forests and streams of the Virginia Piedmont and the Loudoun Valley, the Route 50 corridor, Lonesome Mountain, Crooked Run Valley and the Bull Run and Cobbler mountains, according to the council. On a clear day, hikers can see 30 miles to Reston and Leesburg in the east an d west to the Allegheny Mountains. Terms of the sale include restrictions on any structure being built on the property or trees cleared from a major portion along the Fauquier side of the property that would affect the view. According to the council, the land transferred to the Park Service includes additional forested land on either side of the mountain ridge and what could have been the site for 25 houses. The parcel includes 139 acres in Fauquier County and 306 in Clarke County. The mission of the council, founded in 1972, is to promote and protect the rural economy, natural resources, history and beauty of the northern Virginia Piedmont, an area where soldiers fought in the Revolutionary and Civil wars. Through the council's efforts, 175,000 acres -- mostly privately owned farm and forest land -- have been protected permanently by conservation easements. © 2003 The Washington Post Company

Does anyone know anything about when the book about the Blackhorse Cavalry should be out? Thanks, Velma

Would anyone out there who is in possession of either or both 1850 and 1860 census CD-ROM for Fauquier Co. do the lookup for the birthplace of my ancestor William Toliver Turner? Turner, William T. (head) born ca. 1823-1824 born where? Turner, Martha J. (wife) b. 1824 in VA Turner, John W. (son) born VA Thank you for your assistance. JeanBout@Juno.Com ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

In a message dated 10/16/03 4:55:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hdanw@aol.com writes: > No wonder my Fauquier folks headed to Kentucky in its early days--too much > contention and dissenion back there in Virginia!!! > > Fauquier Co. is fast becoming a suburb of Washington, DC. What was isolated in 1800, is now full of newbies who do not always understand the culture. Often they become involved in issues when they do not have a full understanding of the problem. If a building is on a historic registry then it's integrity has to be preserved. That would indeed mean replacing the old with a like structure or repairing it. Of course to vote is only part of the problem. Paying for it is another. If you are going to require a congregation to shoulder the freight then you should be prepared to raise the funds to pay for it or keep quiet on the subject. For most of the last century, Fauquier enjoyed a rather quiet existence with the horses farms and hunt clubs able to support the economy. But the tracts that bring tacky shopping malls and townhouses and tract homes must have schools and other infrastructure. If you have not been to the area in the past twenty years you would not recognize it as the place your ancestors came from. Those who left in caravans for Kentucky are now coming back in droves and it is not a pretty sight. As far as California is concerned I think it has it's own share of people fleeing for a better life elsewhere. I know there are people in Washington State who are sorry for that. A busted economy is one reason. Perhaps too many demands on the public purse has taken it's toll. I, for one am glad mine stayed in Virginia. Proud to be a Virginian on my mother's side, and to paraphrase a quote often found when speaking of the state, I truly believe it is a benediction from above. Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

I am looking for anyone who is researching this family Judge William Wilson b. 1794 Loudoun Co. Va. m. 1820 Mary S. Davidson Children: Dr. William H. Wilson John Cook Wilson Robert Davidson Wilson Charles J.F. Wilson Phillip King Wilson Mary Illinois Wilson Margaret Eleanor Wilson Thomas K. Wilson Susan Jane Wilson Byron Wilson

Just the other day I ordered the new Heritage Books CD with all the Henings' Virginia Statutes at Large on it (page images, indexed). $49.95. Such a deal! I recommend to everyone to own a copy if you don't have a set readily available to you. It can solve a number of questions you may have about why things were done a certain way at a certain time and then differently later. There are also many references to persons in Henings. Never hurts to take a look. -Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Cecinit@aol.com [mailto:Cecinit@aol.com] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:03 AM To: 71561.634@compuserve.com; VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Dying Intestate in VA In a message dated 10/21/03 5:35:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 71561.634@compuserve.com writes: > It would depend on if the person had an estate to leave. (Some didn't.) If > there was an estate, an administrator would be appointed by the court, I don't know this for sure, for the time & place, but have observed some of the folllowing practice in other jurisdictions, including Illinois as recently as a few decades ago. If someone dies intestate, and there is no disagreement about the division of the estate and no debts, then there is likely no court record. This would be true as well for guardianship, in days long ago (but probably not today). If there are debts, but no disagreement between the heirs and the claimant, or no estate to speak of, then a court case is unlikely & not required. If the heirs disagree, or claims against the deceased appear or are well known (like mortgages, outstanding fines, and the like), or the deceased is part owner of property or a business, then a court record is likely. Usually something has to happen to settle up the outstanding business. It may be that there are property and value "lower limits" that decide whether an estate needs to be probated, as there often are nowadays. I have been told that a claimant (rather than an heir) could cause a probate case to be opened. I haven't seen an example of this, but it seems reasonable. It would be very helpful to know exactly what the laws were in late colonial & post-revolutionary Virginia, and in the new state of Kentucky, and to what extent they were actually followed :^)

I am passing this link along to those list that I have which could be interested in Kentucky names. If you have anyone you wish to pass it on to please do. This is a great list of marriages. http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:PaXkieN8mlsJ:hill-ky.org/tingle/TinglePDF/KyMar.pdf+%22Lucy+Powell%22+Wilson+virginia&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 If that doesn't work try; http://hill-ky.org/tingle/TinglePDF/KyMar.pdf

JRay38@neo.rr.com writes: > http://home.nc.rr.com/rwbaird/Misc/wills.htm#Intestates & Primogeniture That's a very good article, and confirms in detail what I had picked up in bits and pieces over the years, adding much besides. The one criticism I would make is there is no clear citation of sources (or evidence that it was based on original research) so it is not clear how to research the laws for estates where the basic rules might not apply -- eg substantial estate but no sons only daughters, or substantial estate + sons & widow, who remarries, and has falling out with sons &c. In one family, where there are wills, it is pretty clear that the father was trying to avoid the rule of primogeniture in each case, and this is consistent for 2 generations -- in one middle generation, the family patriarch died intestate & it's not completely clear what happened there. Would this suggest that this family was not English in origin and not used to the tradition of primogeniture, or did other Virginia families try to avoid this "eldest son inherits all" rule, hence the change in the law after the revolution? Also, is it clear what happens to the widow's life estate share? Suppose she needed to dispose of it -- did she have a right to sell, what about partition disputes &c? We have some cases like this & knowing what the rules were might help us figure out the sketchy records that we have been able to find. I am pretty sure in one case that a widow is trying to get something for her share (it's the intestate case above, where everything including date of death, estate content, and heirs are not completely sure). This is a fascinating topic & I think there is a lot in it for the genealogist. I have almost 300 years of probate cases I am working on, in different locales & under different laws, including a current one, and each one, slowly, reveals a lot of family mysteries (sometimes resolving them, sometimes only creating them :^)

http://home.nc.rr.com/rwbaird/Misc/wills.htm#Intestates & Primogeniture ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cecinit@aol.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Dying Intestate in VA > In a message dated 10/21/03 5:35:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > 71561.634@compuserve.com writes: > > > It would depend on if the person had an estate to leave. (Some didn't.) If > > there was an estate, an administrator would be appointed by the court, > > I don't know this for sure, for the time & place, but have observed some of > the > folllowing practice in other jurisdictions, including Illinois as recently as > a > few decades ago. > > If someone dies intestate, and there is no disagreement about the > division of the estate and no debts, then there is likely no court record. > This would be true as well for guardianship, in days long ago (but probably > not today). > > If there are debts, but no disagreement between the heirs and the claimant, > or no estate to speak of, then a court case is unlikely & not required. > > If the heirs disagree, or claims against the deceased appear or are well known > (like mortgages, outstanding fines, and the like), or the deceased is > part owner of property or a business, then a court record is likely. > Usually something has to happen to settle up the outstanding business. > It may be that there are property and value "lower limits" that decide > whether an estate needs to be probated, as there often are nowadays. > > I have been told that a claimant (rather than an heir) could cause a probate > case to > be opened. I haven't seen an example of this, but it seems reasonable. > > It would be very helpful to know exactly what the laws were in late > colonial & post-revolutionary Virginia, and in the new state of Kentucky, > and to what extent they were actually followed :^) > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

In a message dated 10/21/03 5:35:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 71561.634@compuserve.com writes: > It would depend on if the person had an estate to leave. (Some didn't.) If > there was an estate, an administrator would be appointed by the court, I don't know this for sure, for the time & place, but have observed some of the folllowing practice in other jurisdictions, including Illinois as recently as a few decades ago. If someone dies intestate, and there is no disagreement about the division of the estate and no debts, then there is likely no court record. This would be true as well for guardianship, in days long ago (but probably not today). If there are debts, but no disagreement between the heirs and the claimant, or no estate to speak of, then a court case is unlikely & not required. If the heirs disagree, or claims against the deceased appear or are well known (like mortgages, outstanding fines, and the like), or the deceased is part owner of property or a business, then a court record is likely. Usually something has to happen to settle up the outstanding business. It may be that there are property and value "lower limits" that decide whether an estate needs to be probated, as there often are nowadays. I have been told that a claimant (rather than an heir) could cause a probate case to be opened. I haven't seen an example of this, but it seems reasonable. It would be very helpful to know exactly what the laws were in late colonial & post-revolutionary Virginia, and in the new state of Kentucky, and to what extent they were actually followed :^)

For any and all who would like to learn more about probate in colonial Virginia: The Virginia Institute of Genealogical Research will be held next summer, 1-5 August 2004 in Richmond. Information is available from the Virginia Genealogical Society. We have a fun time while learning a lot about Virginia. In the meanwhile, Clayton Torrence, Virginia Wills and Administrations...(Baltimore: GPC, reprint 1990) shows 4 Rogers' deaths in Spotsy: ROGERS, Henry 1747 appraisal; Wm. 1779 will; Lucy 1787 will; and Thomas 1786 will. page 364. As will all books or other references, this one is incomplete (so there might be more Rogers estates) and probably has an error or two. For thorough research I would suggest you order the appropriate county order books, 1773---> Work back in time until you think you have covered enough territory. Read every entry, not just the index. It's very possible that if your man was not in debt, and the family all agreed among themselves, there might be no probate at all. But, more than likely, if he owned any property, there would be a reason for an inventory. You have to search. Not finding him, doesn't mean he didn't die in Spotsy. If you're sure that's where he lived, he probably didn't own enough to warrant a settlement. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CGRS "Document what you find, listen to what you are told, and especially, love and respect your work." John Morris CGRS is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board.

Type the following: Http://home.nc.rr.com/rwbaird/Misc/wills.htm June