There is no taxation record in the FHL listings for these counties that explicitly includes the pre Rev. rent rolls. As someone has mentioned, there is a recent book, which might be informative, but the careful reader will note .... well see below. If in fact these rent rolls are among the "loose papers" held by the county clerk, that's both encouraging & discouraging. Good, because that's an identified starting point for search. Bad, because it sounds like they are unfilmed, and papers that old need to be in conservatorship & probably are inaccessible to the public. Here's some FHL - origin data for this book, to help others locate it. Title The Tax man cometh : land and property in colonial Fauquier County, Virginia : tax list from the Fauquier County Court clerk's loose papers, 1759-1782 Stmnt.Resp. compiled by Joan W. Peters Authors Peters, Joan W (Main Author) Notes Includes indexes. Contains the tithable lists, 1759-1778, and personal property and land tax lists, 1782. Lists give names and property being taxed. Includes an explanation of early Virginia tax laws. Subjects Virginia, Fauquier - Taxation Copies Call Number - Location 975.5275 R4p - FHL US/CAN Book Publication Westminster, Md. : Willow Bend Books and Family Line Publications, c1999 Physical [6], xxxix, 222 p. ISBN/ISSN 1585494089 Subject Class 975.5275 R4 Film Notes No film notes for this title.

tkwhsimms@hovac.com writes: > Most of the time when I have seen that on either census records or tax > lists it means > JOHN OF WETHERS JEFFRIES John is the son of Wethers Jeffries, as opposed > to a different John Jeffries. How do you know that? Why would a "tax assessor" care about family relations? Wouldn't he only care about whose rent/tax was paid, & whose not? There are a large number (100-200 scattered over various northern neck and maybe other counties), most are of the form firstname1 of surname1 surname2. They represent a very small subset of the complete rolls. While there are many people of the 18th century named in this fashion, eg "Smith Rankin" in Berkeley Co or "Lynaugh Helm" in Fauquier and nearby counties, there are way too many of these kinds of entries in the rent rolls for this to be the likeliest explanation. I have looked for many of these entries as a person named "surname1 surname2" and come up empty. It doesn't mean they never existed, but it makes the explanation given less likely. I also have several cases where I know for sure that "surname1" cannot (could not have been) be the first name of any real person or father of the person in question (unless he had several fathers :^) We have to look at the originals and see how the data is recorded to get a clue to the intent. Or a study of the actual data. > http://genforum.genealogy.com/va/bedford/messages/812.html > It speaks of the Quit-Rents and an Edit drop down menu, Find Nice posting, but it speaks only of the qr of 1704, which is too early for us and probably doesn't apply anyway, and also doesn't say where this or other rent rolls are. Thanks, ==mwh

Fellow Tippet/Coppage/Strother/Foxworthy/Dunnington/Smallwood/Cave/etc. researchers: Please be advised that I have just posted a major update to my web page. Point your browser to: http://members.cox.net/johntippet/ and click on Tippet Genealogy. Included with this update are the following: (1) A new descendancy narrative of the descendants of William Tippett and Sarah Hill of Fauquier County, VA. Included are 372 descendants of William and Sarah through 4 generations. The most significant addition contained in this narrative is new information on William and Sarah's son, John Tippett. As it turns out, he migrated to Harrison County, KY, where several of the children of his sister, Mary (Tippett) Coppage had migrated. Prominent places in this narrative are Fauquier County, VA; Harrison County, KY, Caldwell, Daviess, Morgan and Moniteau Counties, MO; and Brown County, IL. (2) A very extension set of census transcriptions. This includes all census years from 1810 to 1930 (less 1890) and contains all of the descendants through 4 generations that I have been able to find. Also included are 3-generation census summaries of the grandchildren of John and Sarah that show at a glance which censuses I have found and which remain to be found. If anyone reading this can fill in any of the missing ones, please contact me with that information. (3) Transcriptions of 3 Tippett wills from Fauquier County, VA. (4) Marriages records of Tippett descendants for Fauquier County, VA (from 1750 through 1850), Harrison County, KY (1794 through 1893) and Illinois (1763 through 1900). (5) Transcriptions of Tippett descendants deeds from Fauquier County, VA (surveys and patents only included at this point in time) and Harrison County, KY (1794 through 1894). (6) Transcriptions of the Fauquier County, VA personal property tax lists. Included are the surnames Brawner, Cave, Combs, Dunnington, Hill, Holmes, Payne and Pettitt for the years 1782 to 1807; Rousseau, Smallwood and Strother for the years 1782 to 1819; and Tippett, Coppage and Foxworthy for the years 1782 to 1845. (7) Transcriptions of the Harrison County, KY tax books for the years 1809 to 1845 for the surnames Tippet, Coppage and Winn. (8) Transcriptions of the Nicholas County, KY tax books for the years 1800 to 1856 for the surnames Dunnington and Tippett. Enjoy! John Charles Tippet johntippet@cox.net

One will find lists of publications or films for Fauquier Co. tax lists by doing a place search in the Family History Library Catalog. The link to the catalog is on the lower right corner of www.familysearch.org When you access that link, type in fauquier and then virginia (although I do not believe there is a similar place name anywhere but Virginia) Go down the long list of topics until you reach the topic Taxation. Click on that. There are several books - one by Sparacios and another by Joan Peters (recently published). I don't believe either of these publications has been filmed. However, there are films of tax lists available for short-term loan through a family history center near your home (we hope). The years vary. I believe Joan Peters' book has been compiled from some recently discovered loose papers pertaining to Fauquier Co. I think it is available for sale through Willow Bend books, Westminster, MD. Fauquier Co. was formed from Prince William Co. but there are some gaps in the Prince William records because of destruction of some documents. Woe is me!!! E.W.Wallace

71561.634@compuserve.com writes: > taxes from those tenants responsible for paying the taxes on the land. I'm > not sure exactly which kind the Fauquier ones are. > The main thing to know is that if your person appears on that list, the land > that entry pertains to is not owned in fee simple (as we > would normally Thanks, I understand that, the concepts of land as property and of ownership wasn't what we think of it today. What I would really like to know is where these ancient rent rolls or quit rent records are today for Fauquier and nearby counties, where the originals are, who owns them; and how to interpret these very strange & atypical entries like this: JOHN OF WETHERS JEFFRIES VA Fauquier County Rent Rolls 1770 I haven't been able to find anything that looks good so far, in the FHL or in Library of VA, but it may be I don't recognize the right thing.

Michael, The rent rolls are lists of names of people who are renting land as opposed to owning it. There are some for some other counties in VA, also MD and other states which were colonies. The lists may be from the landlord, such as Lord Fairfax, a Proprietor, or it may be a county list used to collect taxes from those tenants responsible for paying the taxes on the land. I'm not sure exactly which kind the Fauquier ones are. The main thing to know is that if your person appears on that list, the land that entry pertains to is not owned in fee simple (as we would normally sell property today). This doesn't mean he doesn't own ANY real property. He may own some land but also rent other property as well. -Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Cecinit@aol.com [mailto:Cecinit@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:16 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAFAUQUI] Early "rent rolls" I found on Ancestry some strange entries in their database "Virginia Census 1800-1890". Apparently it contains some real early data, from quit rent rolls. Here's a sample: JOHN OF WETHERS JEFFRIES VA Fauquier County Rent Rolls 1770 WILLIAM OF CHAS JOHNSON VA Fauquier County Rent Rolls 1770 There are also some similar entries for some other VA counties (years vary). Ancestry's info on their database doesn't contain anything that would help me identify this data. Nor have they answered queries about it. Where did they get it? Who holds the originals of these rent rolls? What do the "of <X>" items mean? There are many of these; most of the time, <X> looks like a surname, but some are ambiguous like one of the examples. Any help or advice appreciated. Thanks, ==mwh Michael Helm Richmond CA ______________________________

I have received a few over the past two weeks, just not much activity. Larry jeanbout@juno.com wrote: > Hi Listowner: > > I have not received any email from the list for almost > two weeks now. What gives? > > JeanBout@Juno.Com > Descendant of Turner > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Fauquier County USGenWeb Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafauqui/fqva.htm > Be sure to bookmark it!!!

Most of the time when I have seen that on either census records or tax lists it means JOHN OF WETHERS JEFFRIES John is the son of Wethers Jeffries, as opposed to a different John Jeffries. There might be three young men named John Jeffries, one of Wethers', one of John's, and one of William's...so the enumerator tried to clarify which one. The same would hold true for WILLIAM OF CHAS JOHNSON William would be a Johnson, but the son of Chas as opposed to the son of William Johnson. As to why the 1800-1890 census shows 1770 Rent Rolls, I have no idea. The rent rolls can be better explained by someone other than me, but a link to an interesting sort of "dissertation" that appeared on a mailing list might be helpful to you. http://genforum.genealogy.com/va/bedford/messages/812.html It speaks of the Quit-Rents and an Edit drop down menu, Find Quit-Rents will drop you down to that area. The whole posting is enlightening, so you might wish to read all of it. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cecinit@aol.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: [VAFAUQUI] Early "rent rolls" > I found on Ancestry some strange entries in > their database "Virginia Census 1800-1890". > > Apparently it contains some real early data, > from quit rent rolls. Here's a sample: > JOHN OF WETHERS JEFFRIES VA Fauquier County Rent Rolls 1770 > WILLIAM OF CHAS JOHNSON VA Fauquier County Rent Rolls 1770 > > There are also some similar entries for some other > VA counties (years vary). Ancestry's info on their > database doesn't contain anything that would help > me identify this data. Nor have they answered queries > about it. > > Where did they get it? Who holds the originals of these > rent rolls? > > What do the "of <X>" items mean? There are > many of these; most of the time, <X> looks like a surname, > but some are ambiguous like one of the examples. > > Any help or advice appreciated. Thanks, ==mwh > > Michael Helm > Richmond CA > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb,your generous donations to > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 >

I found on Ancestry some strange entries in their database "Virginia Census 1800-1890". Apparently it contains some real early data, from quit rent rolls. Here's a sample: JOHN OF WETHERS JEFFRIES VA Fauquier County Rent Rolls 1770 WILLIAM OF CHAS JOHNSON VA Fauquier County Rent Rolls 1770 There are also some similar entries for some other VA counties (years vary). Ancestry's info on their database doesn't contain anything that would help me identify this data. Nor have they answered queries about it. Where did they get it? Who holds the originals of these rent rolls? What do the "of <X>" items mean? There are many of these; most of the time, <X> looks like a surname, but some are ambiguous like one of the examples. Any help or advice appreciated. Thanks, ==mwh Michael Helm Richmond CA

In a message dated 2/18/04 11:18:52 AM, Mccause@aol.com writes: > I found a Fauquier county couple while transcribing a DC paper. I have >no connection to either of them. > >The Washington Post; Jan. 3, 1890 >Page 7 > >LICENSED TO MARRY > > WILLIE L. ELGIN and MOLLIE T. ROGERS, both of Fauquier county, Virginia. Bingo! How nice to be handed a piece of information that fits right in the family. Thanks for sharing this find! Valerie

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I found a Fauquier county couple while transcribing a DC paper. I have no connection to either of them. The Washington Post; Jan. 3, 1890 Page 7 LICENSED TO MARRY ALEXANDER LEE, of Charles county, Maryland, and SARAH O. HARRISON, of this city. FRANK A. FRANCISCO, of Richmond, Va., and JULIA L. PAUL, of Manchester, Va. CHARLES H. MILLER, of Baltimore, Md., and LOUISE TYDINGS, of this city. OSCAR G. ?KUNGER, of Cincinnati, Ohio, and BESSIE MITCHELL, of this city. WILLIE L. ELGIN and MOLLIE T. ROGERS, both of Fauquier county, Virginia. JOHN B. SCHLOSSER, of Pittsburg, Pa., and ANNIE E. WELCKER, of this city. HOWARD WHITMAN, of York, Pa., and HENRIETTA HORN, of this city. CLEM LEWIS, of this city, and IDA CUFF, of Brooklyn, N.Y. E.A. SHAW and VIRGIE E. ROBY, both of White Plains, Md. ROBERT L. GALWAY and GEORGIE L. AUBINOE GEORGE ? WALLS and RIDIE G. OSBORN BENJAMIN WRIGHT and SARAH ?HOILLN C.N. BENTON and BLANCHE T. JONES WILLIAM GREEN and JULIA A. CARTER ELISHA P. TAYLOR and MARY V. JEFFERS LUTHER M. WISE and HATTIE GRANBY THOMAS ?E?GLIN and LULU PARKER Submitted by Bonnie McDonald mccause@aol.com

I am looking for any information on Virginia Jane Holtsclaw. Born cica 1820 I believe she married a Robert Holder, as she had a son by him (Richard Holder b1836 d 1912). She may also have married a Fletcher as she had a daughter named Frances Fletcher b 1844. She then married Isaac Carter on March 5, 1847 in Fauquier County. Thank you. John Miller

Wm. Emmons, Sr. died in Fauquier 1796. He and his children were neighbors with Thomas Keith. Does anyone know anything more about this Thomas Keith (son of Rev. James Keiith of Elk Run Church)? Are there any more records out there that I do not have? Was he a relative, attorney or just a friend? Thank you--Renee Schaeffer Court Minutes July 1767 p. 306 Fauquier Co. James Jones plt. against William EMMONS, defendant This day came the parties by their attorneys thereupon came also a jury to wit. John Roussau, Saml. Fox, Nicholas George, Thos. Conway, THOS. KEITH, William Conway, John Cryer, John Bailey, James Nelson, Thos. Kirk, George Hoomes, Wm. Jennings, woh being elected, tried and sworn the truth to speak upon the issue joined upon their oaths, do say that the said defendant is not guilty as by pleading he hath alleged, therefore, it is considered by the court that the plt. take nothing by his bill but for his false alarm be in mercy and that the defendant go thereof without say and recover against the plaintiff his cost by him in this behalf expended. Deed Book 7 pg. 367 Sept. 14-15 1779 Fauquier Co., VA Lease and Rerelease between Charles and Eliz. Carter of Stafford Co. and THOS. KEITH on Rocky Run tract, late property of Chas. Carter...John Kirk Jr.'s field...stones in Thos. Kirk's field...to a post on a high ridge from whence may be seen the mountains...stump shown by WM. EMMONS as a corner...1719 pounds for 1146 acres. Deed Book 7, 1778-1785 p. 214 - 218 14 - 15 September 1779. Lease & release Bet. Charles Carter & Elizabeth. h. w. of Staff. Co. and Thomas KEITH tract on Rocky Run late the property of Charles Carter, Esq. dec'd .. John Kirk, Jr's. field .. stones in Thomas Kirk, Sr's field to a post on a high ridge (from whence may be seen the mountians) .. stump shown by William EMMONS as a corner 1,146 a. .. for L1.719 .. Signed: Chas. Carter, E. Carter Wits: Jos Blackwell, W. Brant, George Steptoe Blackwell Rec: 27 Sept. 1779. with Cert. of Exam. of Elizabeth Carter issued to James Garrard, William Garrard and Robert Brent. Gent. of Staff. Co., prov. by o. of Joseph Blackwell and G. S. Blackwell and on 25 Oct. by o. of Wm. Grant. Fauquier Co., VA by John Gott Deed Book 7 p. 367 - 369 6 April 1780. B & S Bet. Benjamin Twentyman of Culp. County and William EMBRY .. L50 .. part of tract left the said by his father Edward Twentyman .. 100 Acres (+/-) .. Beg Joseph Odor's lines .. cor. of Joseph EMMONS in Ludwell's line .. Signed: Ben (his B mark) Twentyman Wits: Thos. KEITH, Joseph James, James Williams, Joseph Odor Rec: 22 May 1780 prov. by o. of Joseph Odor. Jan 15, 1782 Thomas James & Esther his wife, to John Tallis/Tollis and Thomas Tallis, of Stafford Co, for 720 pds, all the lands and timbers that Joseph Blackwell and Richard Lewis purch of John Courtney, Wm. Courtney, GEORGE HENRY, Thomas Grinham, Wm. Delany, Joshua Wood, and Charles Delany.-- also the right to one AC land on Summerduck Run condemned by order of the Co. Crt. of Fauq. for sd, James to build a mill on. Sig: Thomas James, Esther James, Wts: Jos. Blackwell, John Smith, Lucy Blackwell, John Blackwell, Jr, George Steptoe Blackwell, Cert. to examine Esther James to Joseph Blackwell, William Grant, and Thomas KEITH. Pages 490-493. 25 April 1783. B&S Bet. Robert Stringfellow and Catherine, h.w. and William Embrey 5000 lbs. of crop tobacco, parcel of land, now in his actual possession..in Par. Of Ham….east side of main road in Col. Charles Carter's line of the red oak Tract cor. To William Brook's oak on west side of the aforesaid road 70 acres Signed: Robt. Stringfellow, Catherine Stringfellow, Wits: Thos. KEITH, Jos. Blackwell, John Brown, Richard Teagle Commission to Thomas KEITH, Samuel Blackwell & Joseph Blackwell, gent. to examine Catherine Stringfellow..same signed by Jos. Blackwell & Thos. KEITH, 26 April 1783. Rec: 28 April 1783. At a Court held for Fauquier County the 25th day of July 1796. This will was proved by the oath of Thomas KEITH a witness thereto and ordered to be recorded and on the Motion of Joseph EMMONS and William JONES the Executors therein names who made oath and together with Thomas KEITH their security entered into and acknowledged bond in the penalty of five hundred dollars conditioned as the law directs certificate is granted them for obtaining a probate thereof in due ts form. An Account of The Sale of the Estate of William EMMONS (Decd.) 10th November 1796----- Thos KEITH 1 Negroe William EMMONS Settlement Oct. 23, 1797 Will book 3 PG. 86 Thomas KEITH (crop tobacco) Fauquier Co., Va Deed Book 15 pg. 310 Apr. 22, 1803 Robert Stringfellow to Wm. Embrey for 50 pounds for 62 acres on the waters of Rocky Run corner to Thomas KEITH's line... Will Book 9, pg. 30, Fauquier Co., VA Inventory of Sales May 1820 for William Jones Inventory of Sales May 1820 Mentions: William and John Embrey James Keith Henry, Jesse, and Sarah Jones Fountain Emmons Wm. Jacobs James Stigler

The Elk Run Episcopal Church was built in the 1750s and was the first church in Hamilton Parish. Rev. James Keith was the first minister. This church was located on the German Path Road, slightly south of Hardin's Ordinary, at the crossroads of Chapel Road and Courthouse Road. Does anyone know if any church records exist and if so, where? I have checked the LDS site and Google and can find nothing except the preservation project. Thank you--Renee Schaeffer

In a message dated 2/13/04 9:37:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, rbasha@wt.net writes: > Genealogical Codicil to a Will... These should include something about copyrights. The current law makes copyright nearly immortal, and it applies to your self-published, small scale works just as much as to your NY Times #1 best seller. The result of this is many interesting but obscure publications languish in the back shelves of libraries, because nobody can touch anything "published" after about 1920. So you can't take distant cousin Pete's family history book and update it with your work -- you don't really know the owner of his copyright, and expensive litigation, fines, and jail time might result! This is a real problem with 2 documents related to the Helm family (one pretty well known, one more obscure). Consider releasing or at least assigning your copyrights in your will, so something sensible happens to your published material & it doesn't go into this twilight zone.

Hey All, This came to me today and makes good sense! Genealogical Codicil to a Will... > I received this from another list I belong to... And it has been "gone over" > by a Virginia attorney. > > Look it over, it makes perfectly good sense to make this part of our Wills, > folks. I am sure you have had the same thoughts and or conversations I have > regarding safeguarding the work that has been done. > A Genealogical Codicil to My Last Will and Testament > > To my spouse, children, guardian, administrator and/or executor: > > Upon my demise it is requested that you DO NOT dispose of any or all of my > genealogical records, both those prepared personally by me and those records > prepared by others which may be in my possession, including but not limited to > books, files, notebooks or computer programs for a period of two years. During > this time period, please attempt to identify one or more persons who would be > willing to take custody of the said materials and the responsibility of > maintaining and continuing the family histories. [If you know whom within your family > or friends are likely candidates to accept these materials, please add the > following at this point: "I suggest that the persons contacted regarding the > assumption of the custody of these items include but not be limited to" and then > list the names of those individuals at this point, with their addresses and > telephone numbers if known] > > In the event you do no find anyone to accept these materials, please contact > the various genealogical organizations that I have been a > member of and determine if they will accept some parts or all of my > genealogical materials. [List of organizations, addresses and phone > numbers at bottom; include local chapters, with their addresses, phone > numbers and contact persons if available as well as state/national > contact information and addresses] > > Please remember that my genealogical endeavors consumed a great deal of time, > travel, and money. Therefore it is my desire that the products of these > endeavors be allowed to continue in a manner that > will make them available to others in the future. > > > > Signature ___________________________ Date ___________ > > Witness ____________________________ Date ___________ > > Witness ____________________________ Date ___________ > > > [Check requirements in your state for proper execution of a document > such as this. In Virginia, two witnesses are okay with a self-proving > affidavit, but this should be done in front of a notary public. Most > people have self-executing affidavits at the end of their wills and of > their "living wills" (in Virginia they are called "Advance Medical > Directives.")]

It's been a long day, Janean. What's the question here? If why someone went from Maryland to Middleburg to marry, only the parties present really know. I would suspect because that's where their families lived. A bigger problem here is working with secondary sources. Your best bet would be to track each of these marriages to an original source. A marriage could be performed in one place, and returned by the minister to the county clerk in another place. Marriages from as far away as the Shenandoah Valley have been recorded in Frederick Co., Maryland by a traveling Lutheran minister. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CGRS "Document what you find, listen to what you are told, and especially, love and respect your work." John Morris CGRS is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janean Ray" <JRay38@neo.rr.com> To: "Marty Hiatt" <martyhiatt@starpower.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] question to list > Ok, then I have to ask. I'm sure you've heard about the Chinn Book by Ruth > Wilson Dillon. She would be a cousin to me through Elizabeth Chinn (d/o > Rawleigh) and our brick wall John Wilson. Ruth obviously did extensive > research and never found anything about John Wilson. However, this is > something that was provided to me by my Mayflower Historian that I was > working with: > ruth dillon's book on the "chinn book" may be accepted by what it > documents. fanny & rawleigh had a marriage bond posted 30 jan 1775, warsaw > VA. elizabeth t. chinn & > john wilson took out a license 8 jun 1796, chinn's cross roads, middleburg > VA.. > > Other information I have states this: Maryland Marriages 1667-1899 Dodd > Jordan, Liahona Res. Co. Provo, UT Ancestry.com Marriage record of > Elizabeth Chinn and John Wilson 8 June 1796, Frederick Co. MD. > > Wonder where Ruth got the license information. I do know that Elizabeth's > father Rawleigh built a house for her and John on Pickering St. so why would > they go to MD from Middleburg to get married? I'm racking the brains of Pat > Duncan on this as well. Just thought I'd run it by you. Janean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marty Hiatt" <martyhiatt@starpower.net> > To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] question to list > > > > Virginia did not issue marriage licenses prior to 1853 or 1854, depending > on > > the county. > > > > Ms. Marty Hiatt, CGRS > > "Document what you find, listen to what you are told, and especially, love > > and respect your work." John Morris > > > > CGRS is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, > > used under license after periodic evaluations by the Board. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Crystelbel@aol.com> > > To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:24 PM > > Subject: [VAFAUQUI] question to list > > > > > > > Does anyone happen to know WHAT info would be on a marriage liscense in > > 1806 > > > in Fauquier county ? > > > Does Fauquier county Court give copies of marriage liscense OR > do > > > they only have marriages recorded in a book ? I have found tht to be > > true in > > > some counties in U.S. . > > > > > > thanks > > > sheri > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > > When you subscribed to this list. Feel free to contact > > Jim Burgess,list administrator mailto:jim@promobiz.biz > > with questions concerning this list! > > > > >

Hi, yes i got one back too pat

Sheri, There were no "licenses" in those days. There were bonds, or banns, and then these were followed by minister returns of the actual marriage ceremonies. In Fauquier there is a marriage register dating from 1759, the county's formation. This doesn't mean all marriages are in there, but a good many are. The register includes bonds and returns. Not all the marriages have both. Having one or the other but NOT both is not unusual. Sometimes a marriage bond is present but not a marriage return. In this case, unless you have other information to the contrary, you should not assume the marriage took place on the basis of the bond alone. Sometimes the minister's return just never made it back to the courthouse. Sometimes the parties were religious dissenters and refused to cooperate with the established church requirements to record the marriage. Sometimes there is a return with no bond, but the reverse is more likely to be tu. The register will contain some or all of the following, depending on the situation: Bride's and groom's names. If bride or groom under age (bride < 18; groom <21), parental permission was required, and that will be noted, for whichever party needs the permission. If both bride and groom are "of age" then only a bondsman for the groom was required, and that person's name will be noted on the bond. Sometimes this person is a member of the bride's family instead of the groom's, but you cannot assume it is the father (in either case) unless it specifically says it is the father. Sometimes you'll see a note for the only bondsman that the bride is "daughter of...X". I'm not sure if this means the bride's father is the bondsman, but often if his is the only other name, his name is put in that spot. Maybe he's vouching for both of them. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us on that point. Where there are two names other then the bride and groom, the bondsman for the groom cannot be assumed to be his father unless it says that it is. Even then sometimes it's wrong, but you have to go with it until proof otherwise. Sometimes ages are there, but not always. The more recent, the more likely. Usually if one of the parties is from outside the county, then the place of residence will be noted. Otherwise you can usually assume Fauquier residence. In some cases where the clerk/minister got the names wrong on the paperwork, there was a later attempt to have them corrected, which results in 2 records for the same people, with noticable differences. Often the nicknames were used instead of 'formal' names, so be creative with interpreting the names. Don't rely on extracts for these records. There is often more information in the original than is contained in the extract. Even if other marriages have a bondsman listed, some entries may not have one, but that doesn't mean the name isn't there. I've found many examples of names on the originals left off the extracts. I hope this helps. -Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Crystelbel@aol.com [mailto:Crystelbel@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:24 PM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAFAUQUI] question to list Does anyone happen to know WHAT info would be on a marriage license in 1806 in Fauquier county ? Does Fauquier county Court give copies of marriage license OR do they only have marriages recorded in a book ? I have found tht to be true in some counties in U.S. . thanks sheri ______________________________