When I was in Fauquier co. in 1991 I was able to get a marriage bond from 1792. They would not let me even look at it to see if it was the right one but they did copy it for me for under $ 5 and it was the right one. I did think it was funny that I couldn't look at it even with her holding it and me not touching it. Oh well I got it anywasy. Frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Charles Tippet" <johntippet@cox.net> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 6:01 AM Subject: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier Marriage Bonds > The original marriage bonds and returns of Fauquier County, VA were becoming > much worn and torn and so in 1933 the county clerk made typed transcripts of > these records. These are what are available on microfilm through any local > LDS Family History Center. > > Does anyone know where the orginals are? Have they been microfilmed? Is it > possible to get copies of the originals? > > John Charles Tippet > johntippet@cox.net > > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > 2,500 Discussion Lists!!! USGenWeb and The USGenWeb Archives! > Special thanks to go to RootsWeb,your generous donations to > RootsWeb makes this all possible. Find out more! > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222 > > >

Hi List This is from another list. Maybe help to someone? The Washington Post May 1, 1914 pg. 11 OBITUARY James E. Rose.    James E. Rose, one of the oldest coal and wood dealers of Washington, died yesterday afternoon at his residence, 724 I street southeast, following an illness of seven days.  Mr. Rose was stricken with a cerebral hemorrhage. He was a Virginian, having been born in Fauquier county 78 years ago.  In his younger days he was connected with some of the first of the railroads organized and operated in his State, and during the civil war was engaged in the transportation of Confederate troops.  While living in Prince William County, Va., Mr. Rose was married, on November 28, 1858, to Miss Sarah Mumford, who died in 1874.  He is survived by three children, Mrs. P. R. Pullman and T. Wellington Rose, of this city, and Herbert J. Rose, cashier of the Southern Railway at Alexandria.  Arrangements for the funeral have not been completed.

The original marriage bonds and returns of Fauquier County, VA were becoming much worn and torn and so in 1933 the county clerk made typed transcripts of these records. These are what are available on microfilm through any local LDS Family History Center. Does anyone know where the orginals are? Have they been microfilmed? Is it possible to get copies of the originals? John Charles Tippet johntippet@cox.net

I'm forwarding this from the DC-OLD-NEWS list. I'm not connected to the Rose family, but perhaps someone is. Bonnie in OKC The Washington Post May 1, 1914 pg. 11 OBITUARY James E. Rose. James E. Rose, one of the oldest coal and wood dealers of Washington, died yesterday afternoon at his residence, 724 I street southeast, following an illness of seven days. Mr. Rose was stricken with a cerebral hemorrhage. He was a Virginian, having been born in Fauquier county 78 years ago. In his younger days he was connected with some of the first of the railroads organized and operated in his State, and during the civil war was engaged in the transportation of Confederate troops. While living in Prince William County, Va., Mr. Rose was married, on November 28, 1858, to Miss Sarah Mumford, who died in 1874. He is survived by three children, Mrs. P. R. Pullman and T. Wellington Rose, of this city, and Herbert J. Rose, cashier of the Southern Railway at Alexandria. Arrangements for the funeral have not been completed.

Hi, Leona. It's certainly possible. But there are many other Jackson families in that area, too. What made you pick this one? In 1880 this family is living in Loudoun Co. Broad Run District. Pet(t)er and Harriett have: Susan V., age 2 Mary M., age 4 mos. In 1900 they are still in the same area, with more children: Maggie, age 20 John, 18 Virginia, 17 Eva, 14 No Oscar. However, (also 1900) there's an Oscar Jackson (no age) shown as a boarder in Wetzel Co WV as a RR worker. If he was 16 by then, this could be him. A 14 yr-old Oscar is in DC in prison, and a 13 yr-old is in Harrisburg, Rockingham Co living with mother Sarah Bradley, age 63. Do you have any sibling information for Oscar? -Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Jackson, Leona (DelDOT) [mailto:LJackson@mail.dot.state.de.us] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:57 AM To: VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAFAUQUI] Jackson//Thornton Family Hi List, I don't know if I put this out before, but it looked "kinda interesting": Jackson, Peter State: VA Thornton, Harriet State: VA County: Fauquier County: Fauquier Location: Scott Township Location: Scott Township Sex: male Sex: Female Age in 1870: 28 Age in 1870: 22 Calculated birthdate: 1841-1842 Calculated birthdate: 1847-1848 Birthplace: VA Birthplace: VA National Archives series number: M593 National Archives series number: M593 National Archivess microfilm number: 1645 National Archives microfilm number: 1645 Microfilm page number: 630 Microfilm page number: 628 Race: Black Race: Black Wonder if this could be my grandfather's [Oscar Jackson] parents? He was born abt. 1883 Leona Leona Jackson Administrative Specialist 1 Engineering Support Phone: 302- 760-2519 Fax: 302- 739-8282 ______________________________

Hi Jim It's been along time glad to hear from you.

Having transcribed and published death records for two counties, Loudoun and Fairfax, I have found that they also are missing the years 1861-1864. Remember, those were the Civil War years, and many if not all, counties did not keep records during that time. On the other hand, marriages in the District of Columbia during those years are MANY times greater than before or after the war. Apparently that was the only courthouse open. Interestingly enough, the other years missing for Loudoun and Fairfax, also seem to be the same years. We have talked about trying to compare to other counties and see if they are all missing the same years. Maybe Richmond did not require the records to be sent, or maybe they were lost in Richmond. Something I would love to know. However, I am sure the reason you do not find many if any for the period during the Civil War is because they were not gathered. The records in Loudoun County traveled all over the place in order to protect them from the Union soldiers. The records now found for the period 1861-64 are generally those records brought to the courthouse after the war. Betty Frain brfrain@comcast.net Researching Elgin, Dulin, Frain, Thrasher, Johnson, Hammerly, Thrift Elgin Genealogy: www.elgins.com A very happy TMG user and a proud member of RUG of Arlington, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Duncan" <p.duncan@worldnet.att.net> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauq. Co. records and courthouse burning | For those who still question whether the courthouse in Fauquier County | ever burned, this is from a brochure I picked up at the Fauquier Co | Public Library a few years ago, entitled "A Walking Tour of Warrenton, | Virginia." | | "Old Courthouse built in 1890 after fires destroyed earlier buildings of | 1790, 1819 and 1854. Site picked in 1790 by Richard Henry Lee as the | highest point in town. Current courthouse reproduces an 1854 building | copied after the Parthenon in Athens." | | The courthouse may have burned, but most records appear to have been | unharmed and still available. As to birth and death records (1853-1896 | registers) not being found, it should be noted that such events usually | occurred at home, and they were simply not reported. | | Pat Duncan | p.duncan@worldnet.att.net | | | | | | | ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== | List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received | When you subscribed to this list. Feel free to contact | Jim Burgess,list administrator mailto:jim@promobiz.biz | with questions concerning this list! | |

When I want to know whether some records for Virginia or its sister state Kentucky exist, I log on to the trusty [most of the time, although some of have quarrels with the cataloging] Family History Library catalog at www.familysearch.org The link to the catalog which I prefer to use is on the lower right corner of the webpage. (Not all states have films of all county records, but the FHL has many films for VA and KY and are apparently refilming some of them, as I see newer numbers for some films--numbers beginning with 1,xxx,xxx [over 1 million].) I did a Place search for Fauquier Co. and scrolled down to Vital Records [this is how the cataloging for birth, deaths, and marriages is listed consistently in FHLC]. I see there are a few gaps in the years for register for deaths. I did not check the others--births and marriages. Most county clerks [I haven't prowled any courthouses in Virginia] are hard-working people, but they seldom have the time or the inclination to go digging for OLD records. You have to do it yourself--and guess what--that is when you make some GREAT discoveries!!! If you could see a demonstration of some of the containers in which these OLD records are kept (as I had the pleasure of seeing at the Library of Virginia as the Library Staff began to unfold and catalog the chancery court records), you probably wouldn't want to dig for them either. One of the boxes shown us was covered with coal dust from ages past. Also, many of the records are moldy, mildewy, and crumbling. Some handlers have to wear masks and can only work a few hours at a time handling these old records. In a courthouse in Kentucky, I observed the county clerks at work. They were busy issuing all kinds of licenses--for dogs, cars, marriages, etc. When I asked about Court Order Bks A and B, the response was: somebody else was asking for them. I guess they are in the basement. (The films are NOT at FHL in Salt Lake City.) In another courthouse in Mississippi, I was told there were NO old marriage records. I counted to ten, and then said, these are public records. Do you mind if I come behind the desk and take a look for myself [as I have done in numerous other courthouses]? Suddenly, the young man produced a yellowing, crumbly booklet and, lo and behold, on the second page was a notation that my ancestor was giving consent for his stepson [so stated] to get married. And I didn't even know my ancestor had had a previous marriage. Genealogists/historians from Salt Lake City, who do research all over the US and England, jokingly [but not really] state that the records you want are in the basement or in the attic, so wear flat heeled shoes and old clothes!!! A mask for your nose and mouth might be in order if you have allergies. Another ancecdote I read on the internet: Some courthouses were so prone to fire, from wood or coal stoves/heaters, that each night the clerk in charge of a particular set of records was advised to take them home and bring them to work the next morning. This may be a joke, but I have been toying with this hobby so long that I am willing to believe that almost anything which can happen in human existence can happen in genealogy and its pursuit!!! Hope you are able to find that death record, but there does seem to be a gap around Civil War times, at least in Fauquier Co. Maybe some clerk took the records home and never returned them. That must be what happened to the records of one of my Northern Neck colonial families!!! Be persistent--but keep your cool! E.W.Wallace

In a message dated 3/4/2004 12:36:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, p.duncan@worldnet.att.net writes: > The courthouse may have burned, but most records appear to have been > unharmed and still available. As to birth and death records (1853-1896 > registers) not being found, it should be noted that such events usually > occurred at home, and they were simply not reported. > I agree with Pat and was about to say the same when this message came up. I use fauquier records often and find them to be very complete. If the assessment is on record, the death record, if it exists, should be also. Many transactions, births, deaths, "hand-shake" land transfers, etc. not requiring court action were not recorded. Bill Stribling

Unfortunately, over the years many of our courthouses here in Virginia have burned, destroying not only the buildings, but also the valuable records they contained. Other counties suffered lost of records not because of a fire in the courthouse, but due to other reasons. For example, during the Civil War many of Stafford County's records were destroyed or looted by Union troops. Fortunately not all records were lost when these fires occurred. In some cases, duplicate copies of records were made and forwarded to Richmond each year. These included: 1. Personal property tax records starting in 1782 2. Real estate (land) tax records starting in 1782 3. Marriage registers starting in 1853 4. Birth registers starting in 1853 and ending with 1896 5. Death registers starting in 1853 and ending with 1896 Most of these have survived and microfilm copies are available at the Library of Virginia. They may also be available for inter library loan; however, I am not sure. I do not know whether a fire occurred or not at the courthouse in Fauquier County; however, if it did, there is a chance that copies of some of the records that were destroyed survived in Richmond. Jim Messersmith Rockville, VA

For those who still question whether the courthouse in Fauquier County ever burned, this is from a brochure I picked up at the Fauquier Co Public Library a few years ago, entitled "A Walking Tour of Warrenton, Virginia." "Old Courthouse built in 1890 after fires destroyed earlier buildings of 1790, 1819 and 1854. Site picked in 1790 by Richard Henry Lee as the highest point in town. Current courthouse reproduces an 1854 building copied after the Parthenon in Athens." The courthouse may have burned, but most records appear to have been unharmed and still available. As to birth and death records (1853-1896 registers) not being found, it should be noted that such events usually occurred at home, and they were simply not reported. Pat Duncan p.duncan@worldnet.att.net

I do not believe there was a fire. Jim Burgess Fauquier County, Virginia USGENWEB -----Original Message----- From: jeanbout@juno.com [mailto:jeanbout@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:04 PM To: Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauq. Co. records Reason for asking is that my cousin went to Fauquier County to search for the death certificate of our ancestor William T. Turner, but he could find no death record. The clerk advised him that the records were destroyed from fire some time between 1861 and 1865. William's real estate was assessed in March 1865, December 1865, and February 1866. My cousin gives 1865 as an approximate date of William's death. The children were orphaned in 1870 by two different families: Feagins and Flynn. On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:14:19 EST MRCACG@aol.com writes: I know of no such destruction of records for Fauquier County. Does anyone else? Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations. ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== Visit the Fauquier County USGenWeb Home Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafauqui/fqva.htm Be sure to bookmark it!!!

The courthouse in Warrenton did burn, according to the website at: http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Garden/1077/wow1.html "Warrenton's premier landmark, the Old Courthouse, is patterned after the 1854 courthouse destroyed by fire." Pat Duncan p.duncan@worldnet.att.net jeanbout@juno.com wrote: > Reason for asking is that my cousin went to Fauquier County > to search for the death certificate of our ancestor William T. > Turner, but he could find no death record. The clerk advised him > that the records were destroyed from fire some time between > 1861 and 1865. William's real estate was assessed in > March 1865, December 1865, and February 1866. My cousin > gives 1865 as an approximate date of William's death. The children > were orphaned in 1870 by two different families: Feagins and > Flynn. > > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:14:19 EST MRCACG@aol.com writes: > I know of no such destruction of records for Fauquier County. Does anyone > else? > > Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified > associates after periodic proficiency evaluations. > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Fauquier County USGenWeb Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafauqui/fqva.htm > Be sure to bookmark it!!! > >

Reason for asking is that my cousin went to Fauquier County to search for the death certificate of our ancestor William T. Turner, but he could find no death record. The clerk advised him that the records were destroyed from fire some time between 1861 and 1865. William's real estate was assessed in March 1865, December 1865, and February 1866. My cousin gives 1865 as an approximate date of William's death. The children were orphaned in 1870 by two different families: Feagins and Flynn. On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 19:14:19 EST MRCACG@aol.com writes: I know of no such destruction of records for Fauquier County. Does anyone else? Margaret R. Amundson, CGsm is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic proficiency evaluations.

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Hi List, (Sorry I had to reformat this query) I don't know if I put this out before, but it looked "kinda interesting": Jackson, Peter State: VA County: Fauquier Location: Scott Township Sex: male Age in 1870: 28 Calculated birthdate: 1841-1842 Birthplace: VA National Archives series number: M593 National Archives microfilm number: 1645 Microfilm page number: 630 Race: Black Thornton, Harriet State: VA County: Fauquier Location: Scott Township Sex: Female Age in 1870: 22 Calculated birthdate: 1847-1848 Birthplace: VA National Archives series number: M593 National Archivess microfilm number: 1645 Microfilm page number: 628 Race: Black Wonder if this could be my grandfather's [Oscar Jackson] parents? He was born abt. 1883 in Upperville, VA Leona Leona Jackson Administrative Specialist 1 Engineering Support Phone: 302- 760-2519 Fax: 302- 739-8282 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jackson, Leona (DelDOT) > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 11:57 AM > To: VAFAUQUI-L (E-mail) > Cc: Shirley Starks (E-mail); 'Frances' (E-mail) > Subject: Jackson//Thornton Family > > Hi List, > > I don't know if I put this out before, but it looked "kinda interesting": > > Jackson, Peter State: VA Thornton, > Harriet State: VA > County: Fauquier County: > Fauquier > Location: Scott Township Location: > Scott Township > Sex: male Sex: Female > Age in 1870: 28 Age > in 1870: 22 > Calculated birthdate: 1841-1842 > Calculated birthdate: 1847-1848 > Birthplace: VA > Birthplace: VA > National Archives series number: M593 National > Archives series number: M593 > National Archivess microfilm number: 1645 National > Archives microfilm number: 1645 > Microfilm page number: 630 Microfilm > page number: 628 > Race: Black Race: Black > > Wonder if this could be my grandfather's [Oscar Jackson] parents? > He was born abt. 1883 > > Leona > > > Leona Jackson > Administrative Specialist 1 > Engineering Support > Phone: 302- 760-2519 > Fax: 302- 739-8282 >

Hi List, I don't know if I put this out before, but it looked "kinda interesting": Jackson, Peter State: VA Thornton, Harriet State: VA County: Fauquier County: Fauquier Location: Scott Township Location: Scott Township Sex: male Sex: Female Age in 1870: 28 Age in 1870: 22 Calculated birthdate: 1841-1842 Calculated birthdate: 1847-1848 Birthplace: VA Birthplace: VA National Archives series number: M593 National Archives series number: M593 National Archivess microfilm number: 1645 National Archives microfilm number: 1645 Microfilm page number: 630 Microfilm page number: 628 Race: Black Race: Black Wonder if this could be my grandfather's [Oscar Jackson] parents? He was born abt. 1883 Leona Leona Jackson Administrative Specialist 1 Engineering Support Phone: 302- 760-2519 Fax: 302- 739-8282

Since my Virginia ancestors came from these two counties before going to Virginia these are the lists that I am on so thought I'd forward this to y'all. This comes from White Co. IL and they are doing Kentucky work as well. Janean ----- Original Message ----- From: "cindy birk conley" <cbconly@midwest.net> To: <ILWHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [ILWHITE] For Kentrucky researchers > The KYGenWeb Project is very proud to announce the latest addition to our > "Special Collections" of research references for those with Kentucky roots, > the Kentucky Vital Records Project. > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~kygenweb/kvrp) > > What began as a "dream" of 3 of us involved with the KYGenWeb Project and > the KYGenWeb Archives, a centralized collection of Kentucky birth, marriage > and death records, is now available in the first stages for Kentucky > researchers. Currently, the browsable index lists all of the deaths in the > KY Death Index (1911-1999). > > We are in the process of adding digital images and transcriptions of actual > death certificates. These digital images and transcriptions will be linked > to the browsable index as they are added to the collection. Records for > this project will be a combination of researcher-contributed records and a > coordinated extraction program so we can get them up as quickly as possible. > We will begin adding birth records about 15 April 2004 and marriage records > about 1 June 2004. As these records are added, they will also be linked to > the index. (NOTE: Birth records will only be added for persons born before > the year 1854, unless proof of death is provided. We want to ensure that > the privacy and safety of living individuals is not compromised.) > > The browsable index will be a great help to KY researchers by itself, as > you'll be able to search for those "creative" spellings that all of us have > been blessed (or cursed) with. Tens of thousands of corrections have > already been made to the original index. Corrections from site visitors are > encouraged. As corrected or additional information is received on any of > the records, it will be incorporated into the index for the benefit of > future site visitors. In addition to the browsable index, be sure to check > out the site search engine, as it will pick up additional information in the > transcriptions (most importantly, parents' and spouse's names, if given). > > We invite everyone to stop in and check out this newest addition. Our hope > is that you'll find some "treasures" here and that you'll then share your > collections so that others can find theirs too. > > Feel free to forward this message to other mail lists. > > > > > > ==== WEST-CENTRAL-KY Mailing List ==== > HELPFUL HINT: > The more family information that you provide (<i>names, dates, > places</i>) the more likely someone will connect with your message. > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

LVA has told me that some of these are in their collection, in various forms. Probably not complete, but there is a substantial collection from Fauquier Co and some of the neighbors (not as much for Frederick Co). Those interested should contact the archives research services and ask about the "LIST OF VIRGINIA TITHABLES, RENT ROLLS AND POLLS". Also this URL is another brief source of background info. on the taxation system in the colony: http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/va20_coltax.htm I haven't gotten to all the mail on this topic but thanks to everyone who responded (& in advance to those who come up with more leads :^)

Someone posted this URL for a Civil War website hosted by the National Parks System http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/index.html I had accessed this URL previously. This time, I noted that I could send comments. So I did--quoting from a NARA film of my ancestor's imprisonment at New Orleans. He was a Confederate and had been captured on Mustang Island on the Texas coast. Your comments seemingly have to be limited to the space available, but I may be mistaken (not the first time)! Therefore, if your Confederate or Union soldier or sailor does not appear on the above URL, send a note, quoting, if possible, from a NARA film. Just a word to the internet crowd! E.W.Wallace