Greetings Barbara..and the list: Nancy Chappelear Baird, in the journals she edited, "JOURNALS OF AMANDA VIRGINIA EDMONDS, Lass of the Confederacy", pg. 251 writes this: "James Pede MARSHALL, 26, teacher, son of John and Elizabeth (ADAMS) MARSHALL of Clarke Co. and Lucy W Settle, daughter of Abner and Mary (Kile) Settle were married 14 Dec 1859. ..... The Marshalls lived on Blue Ridge in Ashby's Gap, their home being now owned by the late State Senator Harrison Mann" Her source was (FCM) FCM is "Fauquier County Marriages" written by Nancy C Baird and John K Gott. I don't know if there is a relationship through the settles or not. Its not my Marshall line nor are the Settles my line. I don't think Pede Marshall is of the same line as the Chief Justice; but I may be wrong. Shirley Barbara writes: > Can anyone tell me if Elizabeth (Betsy) Marshall d/o James P(ede?) > Marshall b. 8/11/1808-1810 in Fauquier Co., was related to Justice > Marshall? If so, how? > > Betsy married a Balthrope & moved to MO. I am a descendant. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Barbara > Missouri

Good day, everyone! Can anyone tell me if Elizabeth (Betsy) Marshall d/o James P(ede?) Marshall b. 8/11/1808-1810 in Fauquier Co., was related to Justice Marshall? If so, how? Betsy married a Balthrope & moved to MO. I am a descendant. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Barbara Missouri

Rebecca; I'd appreciate anything my direct ancestor surnames: HOOD or STAPLES; Thank you, Jim Bartlett; Bethesda, MD [new]

Dear Bill, Curious: How far is it between the John Marshall house in Leeds and the Mrs. Eliza Leititia Steptoe (Clarkson) Marshall house in Waterloo? (The 1860 census shows "Waterloo" as the latter's residence.) Thank you for your assistance. JeanBout@Juno.Com ______ On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 21:29:32 EDT Bilannstrb@aol.com writes: > The last few days there has been several msg. about the Manor and the > Leeds > Manor house, ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!

I have a copy of a letter written in the 1950s by a daughter of Edward A. Green of Front Royal, a son of Moses Green and Harriett Basye of Amissville. In it she states : " Jas. R. Green of Markham has claimed he was my father's 2nd cousin- I thought this might be so as they had the family names & looked very much like my immediate relatives." Through research at the Fauquier record room and library, I have tentatively established the family line as follows: James Robert Green [1914-1968] son of Alexander G. Green [1877-1950] grandson of James Robert Green [1844-1929] greatgrandson of Alexander G. Green [1812-1886] greatgreatgrandson of William Green [cir 1780-1854] I cannot tie this line into Edward A. Green's line of Culpeper county: Edward A. Green [1836-1918] son of Moses Green [cir 1790-1846] grandson of William Green [cir 1750-cir 1831] greatgrandson of James Green [?-1766]married to Elizabeth Tapp by 1748 Second cousins would imply a shared greatgrandparent, but the dates are wrong. Any thoughts on this letter's comments? thanks Carolyn

Is anyone interested in seeing a picture of "Buck Pond" built by Col. Thomas Marshall 1783 in Woodford Co. Ky. (near Lexington, Ky.)? I would have to scan it and send it as an attachment to you. My high school friend, a Marshall descendant, and I visited there a couple of weeks ago. Cheers, Laura Louisville, Ky.

Bill, I don't know anything about the house except what was in the real estate add. just goes to show you can't take what realators say at face value because they claim it was first built in the mid 1700's. Another list member said her Marshall ancestor claimed to be "...of Leeds Manor" and she originally thought it was a house or estate because of the context. Finding a house with that name and time period owned by the Marshall family I thought I would mention it on the list so she could see if it was her branch of the family. My understanding, and I could be mistaken, was that Fairfax had a manor house built on each of the manorial estates for the local superintendant. I believe that Chief Justice John Marshall's father, Thomas Marshall was at one time superintendant of the Manor of Leeds. Although Thomas Marshall lived, for a time at least, on the opposite side of Markham from Hume I accepted that he could have lived other places during his lifetime, and if not, John Marshall would have gotten the original manor house when he purchased the manor anyway. If the house was built in the 1820's as you say though then this scenario definitely isn't true. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bilannstrb@aol.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: [VAFAUQUI] Leeds Manor > The last few days there has been several msg. about the Manor and the Leeds > Manor house, which is for sale again. > > I feel the need to get some facts out about the house. In the 1820-30 time > frame, Chief Justice John Marshall gave each of his children a substantial > piece of the Leeds Manor, which he had purchased from Denny Martin Fairfax (along > with his brother James and bro-in-law Raleigh Colston). The children > proceeded to build homes on thier respective properties and to give them names. > > His son James Keith got about 1,500 acres on which he built a modest home > about 1820 and named it LEEDS. It stayed in his family until the 1930's. At no > time was it ever referred to as "Leeds Manor". > > When the house and farm was placed on the market a few years ago, a realtor > added the "Manor" to the name to give it a more splendid sales appeal. > > In order to keep historical accuracy, please refer to the Marshall home as > "Leeds". If the new owners want to change the name, so be it. A realtor should > not have that privilege, in my humble opinion. > > Bill Stribling > a Marshall descendant and local family historian > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Visit the Fauquier County USGenWeb Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafauqui/fqva.htm > Be sure to bookmark it!!! > >

The last few days there has been several msg. about the Manor and the Leeds Manor house, which is for sale again. I feel the need to get some facts out about the house. In the 1820-30 time frame, Chief Justice John Marshall gave each of his children a substantial piece of the Leeds Manor, which he had purchased from Denny Martin Fairfax (along with his brother James and bro-in-law Raleigh Colston). The children proceeded to build homes on thier respective properties and to give them names. His son James Keith got about 1,500 acres on which he built a modest home about 1820 and named it LEEDS. It stayed in his family until the 1930's. At no time was it ever referred to as "Leeds Manor". When the house and farm was placed on the market a few years ago, a realtor added the "Manor" to the name to give it a more splendid sales appeal. In order to keep historical accuracy, please refer to the Marshall home as "Leeds". If the new owners want to change the name, so be it. A realtor should not have that privilege, in my humble opinion. Bill Stribling a Marshall descendant and local family historian

Thanks to all those who have replied to my question about obtaining the Scheel map. It seems my best bet is to contact Mr. Scheel himself. Sandra

Apologies, just realised I made a mistake in my last email. There are other McDaniels entries in Fauquier Families, just nothing more about the names Mildred requested. Sorry, Shirley

Dear Estelle, Actually I live no where near Albemarle Co., for that matter neither Virginia. I live in Houston, TX. So far as I know I don't even have family in Albemarle Co., Fauquier Co., or Culpeper Co. This was all my late husband's family who lived in these counties. I have the books which he had bought and have kept on the lists. Kinda seems like old friends here. My late husband & I both on a vacation went to Fauquier & Culpeper Co's. and had a GREAT time in the area, and being at the courthouses. We also remembered some of the Civil War letters read and could almost make out or rather let our minds wander to an earlier time of what a family member had written. A very rich family history of those before who helped forge this nation. Well I better close before I get to writing too much. I have emails to requests to lookup. Rebecca Bashaw

twssls@flash.net writes: Can someone tell me how I can obtain one of Eugene Scheel's maps of Fauquier Co.? I picked mine up in person at the Bank of Fauquier County, on last year's trip to Warrenton. I think the cost was around $10. Last month I had it mounted on 1/4 inch posterboard, which cost another $20. (The dimensions are about 34"x42".) I think I'll decorate the rest of the living room, around it.

While searching the Family History Library Catalog on _www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) for Orange Co., Virginia, I did as a friend suggested and clicked on the topic Genealogy Lo and Behold--a lot of genealogies for Second Germanna Colonists are cataloged there, mostly by Zimmerman and Cerni. These probably have NOT been filmed. However, if you click on one of the titles and there are two identical listings, the second listing MAY be a film of the book. I did not check. My Orange Co. folks seem NOT to have been of Germanna, either first or second colony, but doubtless they intermarried in Kentucky!!! As John Blankbaker has pointed out in some of his writings, some of these works are flawed, but they are a good place to begin your search, if you are just beginning. Professional genealogists and lecturers always say, see what has been pulished. As my research professor used to say, Make a search of the literature!!! You may make some additional or refuing discoveries, and isn't that fun!!! E.W.Wallace PS Did any of these folks marry into the Burrus or Tandy families?

Can someone tell me how I can obtain one of Eugene Scheel's maps of Fauquier Co.? Thanks, Sandra in TX

I just found a web site with pictures of the Leeds Manor House that was owned by the Marshall family until the 1930's (Chief Justice John Marshall, his brother, James Markham Marshall, General "Light Horse" Henry Lee and a few others bought the 119,927 acre Leeds Manor from Lord Fairfax after the Revolutionary War. As this house was built in the mid 1700's it is likely that it is the Manor House from which the entire Manor of Leeds was managed in the early years. The web site is at http://www.armfieldmillerripley.com/babette/leeds.html and is full of photographs inside and out along with a full description of the home. This site will likely be gone once the house is sold so if you are interested save the pictures on your computer by right clicking on each picture. Don't forget to ask permission from the realtor if you want to re-post them but realtors are usually pretty good about that. Being a Manor after the old English system, Fairfax had retained ownership of the property but gave leases to individual settlers for up to two lifetimes but with rights of renewal. These were usually in exchange for something like a shilling a year and improvements to the land - essentially what they would have been paying in property taxes to the county if they owned it outright. Fairfax would have lost the title to the property because of the War for Independence but forseeing problems he sold his manorial rights to his nephew and then bought the land outright from him -- evidently giving him clear title allowing him to sell to Marshall. An interesting reprinted article from 1934 discussing the Manor of leeds is at http://www.patc.net/history/archive/leeds.html Paul Redden www.yesterbooks.com

In a message dated 01/10/04 10:01:27 GMT Daylight Time, VAFAUQUI-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Mildred, These are the entries from Fauquier Families, 1759-1799 by John Alcott. No other names of family, but the different tax districts may separate these several Williams. McDaniel, John+. 75G/William 81KG, 85-92G, 94G, MB. 6/19/1786 to Fenton Horton-bd Leander Murphey. McDaniel, John+ 87C/ Gerrard-under 21-99E. MB 2/15/1788 to Eva Climan-bd Christopher+Duncan McDaniel, John. 96H-99B. McDaniel, Spencer. 75G/William. McDaniel William. 75G, 81KG-85-If-92G-Sr,-If. M 5-81, 1773. Ag Matthew Adams in trespass. M 5-388, 1779. Levy free. McDaniel, William. 75G/William, (From Southern District ) 81 KG-85, 89J-Jr.-If.-91-Jr-If. McDaniel, William. (Northeast district) 78Tu, 81EA, 83-85, (Northwest district) 89H-Sr.-If-91H-Sr. McDaniel, William. (Northwest district) 90H-Jr.-91H/William Sr., 93H/Luis Leomard & 93H-99B. McDaniel, William. (Northeast district) 96OB-99E. Abbreviations: ag against- plaintiff ag defendant. bd bondsman Jr, younger of 2 men, not necessarily father and son. MB Marriage Bond M Minute book, order book. Sr Senior, as for Jr + person signed by using his mark The remaining codes, letters and numbers, refer to taxation- tithable districts, years, and the names of Tax Commissioners in those areas. 75G Southern district of County, 1775, William Grant 75G/William (Head of household) 81KG, Southern District, TCs, Thomas Keith and William Conway 85-92G, 94G Southern District TC Peter Grant McDaniel, John+ 87C Northeast district, TC Travers Nash. 99E. N/E district, TC Elias Edmonds. 96H-99B. North western District, TCs Edward Humston, Thornton Buckner I have given a brief clue to the codes used. The book contains lengthy explanations. Also, for anyone else reading this, (the entry for McDaniel, William. 75G/William, (From Southern District ) 81 KG-85, 89J-Jr.-If.-91-Jr-If. McDaniel, William. (Northeast district) 78Tu, 81EA, 83-85, (Northwest district) 89H-Sr.-If-91H-Sr.) I don't understand this If code, would someone kindly explain it please? Hope this is helpful Shirley > > If anyone has the book "Fauquier Families, 1759-1799" by John Alcock, > would you please look up William McDaniel Sr, William Jr, John and > Spencer McDaniel? The family lived in southern Fauquier Co. I need the > names of Wm Sr. grandchildren. but anything else would be interesting. > Thanks Mildred > > > >

I have just put up two temporary web pages with pictures of Leeds Manor One shows the area around my home by the G Richard Thompson Wildlife Management area on the eastern slope of the Blue Ridge Mountains (Blue Mountain) The first photo is a large panorama taken in 1914 before there were any trees on this side of the mountain. You can clearly see Bushy Mountain and Naked Mountain on the other side of Leeds Manor Road. A second photo taken from Bushy Mountain across Leeds Manor Rd looking back up towards the location of the first photo and a third panorama taken part way up Blue Mntn looking back towards Bushy Mntn as closely approximating the first panorama as possible with all the trees there now. The page is online at www.yesterbooks.com/leedsmanor.htm The second page was in response to a list member asking about John Rogers 1763 Leasehold on Buck Mountain. I could not readily get to the top of Buck Mountain as the gravel road turns to mud and I don't have 4WD but I took some photos from Leeds Church on Leeds Manor Rd north of Hume looking towards the mountain and some more as far as I could go on Leeds Chapel Road which leads up the side. These pictures are at www.yesterbooks.com/buck.htm Paul Redden yesterbooks.com

If anyone has the book "Fauquier Families, 1759-1799" by John Alcock, would you please look up William McDaniel Sr, William Jr, John and Spencer McDaniel? The family lived in southern Fauquier Co. I need the names of Wm Sr. grandchildren. but anything else would be interesting. Thanks Mildred http://community.webtv.net/MLowrie/BERRYMANMCDANIEL

Dear Paul Redden, Thank you for your posting, it is so interesting to read the in between history up to modern times- my ancestors mostly left the Northern Neck by mid 1800s. (Massie, Foley, McKay, Barbee, Mallory and many more) Please post some more! Shirley E M Simms

Dear All, Just to let you know my email. Turned off computer to reboot and voila~! So this makes like the 5th time in 2 weeks my email has been hijacked by Netscape making me start a new email account with my ISP each time. Errrrrrrrr!!!!! (Never had a problem with Netscape until about 3 weeks ago. Now has gone haywire!) Please bare with me. If I have something I need to pick up, or was offering, selling, or you emailed me privately, please resend your email. I am hoping I can figure out what the heck is going on with my computer. Any suggestions to help me with computer, let me know. Rebecca